Clean SL 5.4 Install and Anaconda Disk Partitioning Madness

2010-03-24 Thread Brent L. Bates
 I've been searching Google for answers and can't find any, so I decided
to check here.

 I'm trying to do a clean install of SL 5.4.  I'm booting from an SL 5.4
x86_64 DVD.  When I get to the point of custom partitioning my drives,
Anaconda makes a mess of things.  I have 4 drives and I want 4 partions on
each drive.  The first partion will be `/boot', next `/', then `/data', and
finally a swap partion.  As I create each partition on each drive, Anaconda
will suddenly rearrange the order of the partions.  When I go onto another
drive, the order may be different than the last drive I just partitioned.
 When I try to do the 4th and last partition, I get an `Extended' 4th partion
(which is empty) and a real 5th partition, instead of a simple single
partition.

 In the end, what I want is the first partition on each drive combined
into a software RAID 1 and be `/boot'.  The next 2 sets will be software RAID
0's and `/'  `/data'.  The final partitions will be 4 separate swap
partitions that the OS will take care of.

 I've tried creating all the partitions on one drive and then moving onto
the next one and the next one, but it scrambles things up.  I've tried
creating the first partition on each drive, then combining them into the RAID
1 md0 device, and specifying the files system type, and mount point `/boot'.
 Next I go onto the next partition, which I've tried as a software RAID 0
partition and swap at various times.  This one usually works, but not always.
 When I get to the 3rd partition, then it will suddenly rearrange the
partitions on that drive.  I've even seen it suddenly create a swap partition
on a different drive than what I'm actually working on.

 I've done this with earlier versions of SL, but I don't remember having
this much trouble with Anaconda randomly rearranging things and creating an
extra unneeded partion.  Any insights would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: Clean SL 5.4 Install and Anaconda Disk Partitioning Madness

2010-03-24 Thread Mark Stodola

Brent L. Bates wrote:

 I've been searching Google for answers and can't find any, so I decided
to check here.

 I'm trying to do a clean install of SL 5.4.  I'm booting from an SL 5.4
x86_64 DVD.  When I get to the point of custom partitioning my drives,
Anaconda makes a mess of things.  I have 4 drives and I want 4 partions on
each drive.  The first partion will be `/boot', next `/', then `/data', and
finally a swap partion.  As I create each partition on each drive, Anaconda
will suddenly rearrange the order of the partions.  When I go onto another
drive, the order may be different than the last drive I just partitioned.
 When I try to do the 4th and last partition, I get an `Extended' 4th partion
(which is empty) and a real 5th partition, instead of a simple single
partition.

 In the end, what I want is the first partition on each drive combined
into a software RAID 1 and be `/boot'.  The next 2 sets will be software RAID
0's and `/'  `/data'.  The final partitions will be 4 separate swap
partitions that the OS will take care of.

 I've tried creating all the partitions on one drive and then moving onto
the next one and the next one, but it scrambles things up.  I've tried
creating the first partition on each drive, then combining them into the RAID
1 md0 device, and specifying the files system type, and mount point `/boot'.
 Next I go onto the next partition, which I've tried as a software RAID 0
partition and swap at various times.  This one usually works, but not always.
 When I get to the 3rd partition, then it will suddenly rearrange the
partitions on that drive.  I've even seen it suddenly create a swap partition
on a different drive than what I'm actually working on.

 I've done this with earlier versions of SL, but I don't remember having
this much trouble with Anaconda randomly rearranging things and creating an
extra unneeded partion.  Any insights would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks


I've noticed anaconda likes to try and be smarter than you.  Quite 
annoying.  You can probably solve this by specifying things explicitly 
in a kickstart file, pre-partitioning the disk using fdisk/sfdisk, or 
fiddling with the force primary partition check box and the order you 
specify the partitions in anaconda.  I've worked in the reverse order 
over the years, manually tricking anaconda, then forcing an sfdisk dump 
in, and finally resorted to tailoring a kickstart to do my bidding 
because disk sizes aren't constant for me.


Hope that helps a bit.

Cheers,
Mark

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Re: Clean SL 5.4 Install and Anaconda Disk Partitioning Madness

2010-03-24 Thread Troy Dawson

Brent L. Bates wrote:

 I've been searching Google for answers and can't find any, so I decided
to check here.

 I'm trying to do a clean install of SL 5.4.  I'm booting from an SL 5.4
x86_64 DVD.  When I get to the point of custom partitioning my drives,
Anaconda makes a mess of things.  I have 4 drives and I want 4 partions on
each drive.  The first partion will be `/boot', next `/', then `/data', and
finally a swap partion.  As I create each partition on each drive, Anaconda
will suddenly rearrange the order of the partions.  When I go onto another
drive, the order may be different than the last drive I just partitioned.
 When I try to do the 4th and last partition, I get an `Extended' 4th partion
(which is empty) and a real 5th partition, instead of a simple single
partition.

 In the end, what I want is the first partition on each drive combined
into a software RAID 1 and be `/boot'.  The next 2 sets will be software RAID
0's and `/'  `/data'.  The final partitions will be 4 separate swap
partitions that the OS will take care of.

 I've tried creating all the partitions on one drive and then moving onto
the next one and the next one, but it scrambles things up.  I've tried
creating the first partition on each drive, then combining them into the RAID
1 md0 device, and specifying the files system type, and mount point `/boot'.
 Next I go onto the next partition, which I've tried as a software RAID 0
partition and swap at various times.  This one usually works, but not always.
 When I get to the 3rd partition, then it will suddenly rearrange the
partitions on that drive.  I've even seen it suddenly create a swap partition
on a different drive than what I'm actually working on.

 I've done this with earlier versions of SL, but I don't remember having
this much trouble with Anaconda randomly rearranging things and creating an
extra unneeded partion.  Any insights would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.



What *I* would do with something that complicated.
I would do a Ctrl-Alt-F2 on the screen before that and do all the 
partitions by hand.  Then on the customizing screen, you just have to 
link them together.


But if you are going to do it by the graphical install, make *sure* that 
you select Primary Partition for each and every partition.  The one 
partition that you don't do that to is going to get popped over to an 
extended partition.


Troy
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Re: Clean SL 5.4 Install and Anaconda Disk Partitioning Madness

2010-03-24 Thread Eve V. E. Kovacs
And when you are doing your custom layout, select RAID rather than New in 
the menu for making partitions. The RAID option allows you to setup 
partitions on different disks and then combine them into a software raid.
You can select the RAID type, and which partitions go into each RAID 
device. I have used this many times, and Troy is correct: as long as you 
use the force primary partition option, the partitions do not get moved around.

Eve

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Troy Dawson wrote:


Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:29:59 -0500
From: Troy Dawson daw...@fnal.gov
To: Brent L. Bates blba...@vigyan.com
Cc: Scientific Linux Users mailing list scientific-linux-us...@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Clean SL 5.4 Install and Anaconda Disk Partitioning Madness

Brent L. Bates wrote:
 I've been searching Google for answers and can't find any, so I 
decided

to check here.

 I'm trying to do a clean install of SL 5.4.  I'm booting from an SL 
5.4

x86_64 DVD.  When I get to the point of custom partitioning my drives,
Anaconda makes a mess of things.  I have 4 drives and I want 4 partions on
each drive.  The first partion will be `/boot', next `/', then `/data', and
finally a swap partion.  As I create each partition on each drive, Anaconda
will suddenly rearrange the order of the partions.  When I go onto another
drive, the order may be different than the last drive I just partitioned.
 When I try to do the 4th and last partition, I get an `Extended' 4th 
partion

(which is empty) and a real 5th partition, instead of a simple single
partition.

 In the end, what I want is the first partition on each drive combined
into a software RAID 1 and be `/boot'.  The next 2 sets will be software 
RAID

0's and `/'  `/data'.  The final partitions will be 4 separate swap
partitions that the OS will take care of.

 I've tried creating all the partitions on one drive and then moving 
onto

the next one and the next one, but it scrambles things up.  I've tried
creating the first partition on each drive, then combining them into the 
RAID
1 md0 device, and specifying the files system type, and mount point 
`/boot'.

 Next I go onto the next partition, which I've tried as a software RAID 0
partition and swap at various times.  This one usually works, but not 
always.

 When I get to the 3rd partition, then it will suddenly rearrange the
partitions on that drive.  I've even seen it suddenly create a swap 
partition

on a different drive than what I'm actually working on.

 I've done this with earlier versions of SL, but I don't remember 
having

this much trouble with Anaconda randomly rearranging things and creating an
extra unneeded partion.  Any insights would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks.




What *I* would do with something that complicated.
I would do a Ctrl-Alt-F2 on the screen before that and do all the 
partitions by hand.  Then on the customizing screen, you just have to link 
them together.


But if you are going to do it by the graphical install, make *sure* that you 
select Primary Partition for each and every partition.  The one partition 
that you don't do that to is going to get popped over to an extended 
partition.


Troy
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Fermilab  ComputingDivision/LSCS/CSI/USS Group
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Re: Tips on switching to Oracle Unbreakable Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Mansour
Hi Chris,

 I'm running Oracle App Server on my SL boxes.
 I started out with RedHat, then decided I didn't really
 get anything out of RetHat support so go with SL.
 
 Now I'm thinking for a couple hundred bucks a year
 I will go with the minimal support level of
 Oracle Unbreakable Linux.  That way I can turn
 on the regular updates and just let them automatically apply.
 
 I'd like to know if you guys see any flaws to this
 plan, and if you think I am looking at a 
 complete reinstall or what.
 
 Thanks for your help over the years with SL.

I'm confused as to what you're asking. If you'd like to pay someone for
supporting your Linux distribution, then maybe SL have a donation system?

I honestly don't understand what criteria you're trying to meet, are you just
more comfortable with paying for something that getting something for free?

Michael.

 Chris Howard
--- End of Original Message ---


RE: Tips on switching to Oracle Unbreakable Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Howard, Chris
 
 
--- original message --

I'm confused as to what you're asking. If you'd like to pay someone for
supporting your Linux distribution, then maybe SL have a donation system?

I honestly don't understand what criteria you're trying to meet, are you just
more comfortable with paying for something that getting something for free?

Michael.

 Chris Howard
---
 
Right now I run yum periodically, then sweat bullets if there are any
kernel updates, or just don't run yum.I would rather have someone to
yell at if an automatic update breaks things.
 
In theory I could put oracle on a spare box and test it right?
Wrong, because licensing for another app server box is many thousands
of dollars.  The cheapest OUL subscription is something like $200/year
and I think that will just let me slurp from their update stream which
is all I really want anyway.
 
I've been happy with not doing updates very often.  But
now I have some (microsoft type) people asking me why
I don't have a regular pattern of updates to apply.  The best
answer is, Because my system actually works. But that is
inconvenient in the given circumstances.