Re: [scifinoir2] Movies You Liked But Heard were Bad
I liked it also. It wasn't the greatest film ever made, but it was a very good one, with a lot of action, a point and a plot interesting enough to make me watch all the way through. My husband liked it also, and he hates sci-fi. I also liked Serenity, Idlewild and Mindhunters. I hope that that doesn't totally discredit me to everyone here! Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know if this bodes well or ill for the movie, but I don't remember a single bit of it. And I rented it. "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I few day ago, I finally saw the Island on cable a few days ago. Directed by Michael Bay, starring Ewan McGregor, Scarlett Johansson, Djimon Hounsou, Sean Bean, Steve Buscemi, Michael Clarke Duncan and Ethan Phillips http://tinyurl.com/a32qy The following is the plot: Lincoln Six-Echo is a resident of a seemingly Utopian but contained facility in the mid 21st century. Like all of the inhabitants of this carefully controlled environment, Lincoln hopes to be chosen to go to the "The Island" - reportedly the last uncontaminated spot on the planet. But Lincoln soon discovers that everything about his existence is a lie. He and all of the other inhabitants of the facility are actually human clones. Lincoln makes a daring escape with a beautiful fellow resident named Jordan Two-Delta. Relentlessly pursued by the forces of the sinister institute that once housed them, Lincoln and Jordan engage in a race for their lives to literally meet their makers. >From what I understand, it did not do well in the theaters. The director and producers blamed McGregor and Johansson. I also remember hearing pretty bad reviews. Very little draws me to the theaters these days, but I thought this was definitely a good DVD rental flick. I enjoyed it. I expected so much worse. What did you think about it? Did it suck? What movies have you seen that the critics have planned but you genuiniely enjoyed? Traacey Yahoo! Groups Links If any one of our restaurants were better than the rest, then customers would flocck to that location, creating a mass imbalance that could create a black hole, which would swallow the Earth. That's why we make every McDonald's from Pomona to Poughkeepsie the same good place to eat, thereby saving the Universe.-from McDonald's commercial ,28 January 1990 "Is anybody hungry?" - W Zeddemore, "The Real Ghostbusters", 'The Cabinet of Calamari' __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Saddam Hussein Executed
thanks, Amy. Even Bush--who was *asleep* when Saddam was executed!--said his death wouldn't end the violence, though it was "a milestone". Saddam's death was announced around 9:30 Central time, and Bush was asleep? He went to bed without waiting up to hear about this, or to see whether or not Iraq would explode in violence? That says it all... -- Original message -- From: "Amy Harlib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I couldn't agree with this eloquent statement more! > Amy > > > > Saddam is dead. > > > > Aren't you happy now? > > > > He was executed, I hear, just a few minutes ago (it's 10:33 EST when I > > write this). He has executed by hanging, the process rushed in order to > > avoid a killing on the upcoming holy time of Eid Al-Ahda (Iraqi law and > > custom forbids killing a person on a day considered holy to him). So the > > order was given, the soldiers handed him over, the platform dropped, the > > rope stretched taut, the neck broken, and the mad leader breathed his > > last. > > > > Aren't you satisfied? > > > > Saddam was an evil man, responsible for untold numbers of deaths and > > torturings. Men, women, children--all fell before him. He thought nothing > > of gasing whole villages, torturing people for something as innocuous as > > saying the wrong thing, and subjecting his people to untold terror. > > Saddam's own mistress said he enjoyed watching videos of people being > > executed--from his bed. But now the sadist Saddam is dead. > > > > Don't you feel safer? > > > > My government said Saddam amassed weapons of mass destruction. So, they > > said, he had to be brought down, and this was done, with the former > > dictator being flushed from a "spider hole" like a coward. That no weapons > > of note were ever found was inconsequential, I was told, in light of one > > of the most evil men this side of Hitler being captured. And not just > > Saddam: his evil, evil sons, who raped and murdered with impunity, and > > tortured athletes for daring to lose an Olympic competition. With Saddam > > gone, I was told, Iraq would become a sacred land of democracy and happy > > people. So he was handed over, and his own people executed him. > > > > Is Iraq free and happy now? > > > > That Saddam Hussein was one of the most evil leaders in recent memory > > can't be argued. That he ruined his country and destroyed its hopes and > > dreams to be a better place can't be disputed. That his very children > > inherited his sickness is fact. That the world is better without him in a > > position of power, a no-brainer. > > > > So why am I not celebrating? > > > > Perhaps, because Saddam is dead, but I fear the fighting won't stop. > > Perhaps because as evil as he was, Hussein was a bulwark against the > > fanatics and terrorists who now run rampant in Iraq. Because, in an > > over-zealous and incredibly ill-conceived push to get those non-existent > > WMDs, my government destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, leaving behind a > > power vaccuum that may actually make the country even worse than it was > > before. Because over 3,000 American men and women have died, hundreds of > > thousands of Iraqi's have died, hundreds of thousands more will probably > > die, and the Middle East is more unstable than ever. Because one man > > died, but the toll in blood may far, far outweigh the value brought about > > by that man's death. > > > > Because a nation that's supposed to value freedom and justice and > > Christian values violated all of those by invading a sovereign nation on > > trumped-up charges, putting a stain on the collective soul of all > > Americans. > > > > Perhaps, because the Bible I read says that all killing is wrong, and that > > rejoicing in a man's death--any man--not the act of a Christian. > > > > As I listened to the news today, waiting for the inevitable word that > > Saddam was dead, my guts twisted in knots. I felt a sadness at listening > > to people planning for a man's death--even this most evil of men. I hung > > my head in grief at a world where we demonstrate that killing is wrong--by > > killing. I mourned for people who will be denied the chance to face > > Saddam in court, to get some kind of closure by accusing him to his face > > of being the monster he was. I mourned for those who have been changed > > into people who can dance and sing and kiss and rejoice at a man's > > death--even this most evil of men. > > > > The Iraqi people in the main probably support this execution. (Many, such > > as the Khurds, are upset only that it happened too soon, that Saddam was > > killed before he could face the thousands of other accusers wanting to > > confront him in trials for other of his atrocities). I hear there's been > > singing and dancing in some parts of Iraq over his death. I understand > > that emotion. If ever anyone can understandably rejoice in a man's
Re: [scifinoir2] Saddam Hussein Executed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I couldn't agree with this eloquent statement more! Amy > Saddam is dead. > > Aren't you happy now? > > He was executed, I hear, just a few minutes ago (it's 10:33 EST when I > write this).He has executed by hanging, the process rushed in order to > avoid a killing on the upcoming holy time of Eid Al-Ahda (Iraqi law and > custom forbids killing a person on a day considered holy to him). So the > order was given, the soldiers handed him over, the platform dropped, the > rope stretched taut, the neck broken, and the mad leader breathed his > last. > > Aren't you satisfied? > > Saddam was an evil man, responsible for untold numbers of deaths and > torturings. Men, women, children--all fell before him. He thought nothing > of gasing whole villages, torturing people for something as innocuous as > saying the wrong thing, and subjecting his people to untold terror. > Saddam's own mistress said he enjoyed watching videos of people being > executed--from his bed. But now the sadist Saddam is dead. > > Don't you feel safer? > > My government said Saddam amassed weapons of mass destruction. So, they > said, he had to be brought down, and this was done, with the former > dictator being flushed from a "spider hole" like a coward. That no weapons > of note were ever found was inconsequential, I was told, in light of one > of the most evil men this side of Hitler being captured. And not just > Saddam: his evil, evil sons, who raped and murdered with impunity, and > tortured athletes for daring to lose an Olympic competition. With Saddam > gone, I was told, Iraq would become a sacred land of democracy and happy > people. So he was handed over, and his own people executed him. > > Is Iraq free and happy now? > > That Saddam Hussein was one of the most evil leaders in recent memory > can't be argued. That he ruined his country and destroyed its hopes and > dreams to be a better place can't be disputed. That his very children > inherited his sickness is fact. That the world is better without him in a > position of power, a no-brainer. > > So why am I not celebrating? > > Perhaps, because Saddam is dead, but I fear the fighting won't stop. > Perhaps because as evil as he was, Hussein was a bulwark against the > fanatics and terrorists who now run rampant in Iraq. Because, in an > over-zealous and incredibly ill-conceived push to get those non-existent > WMDs, my government destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, leaving behind a > power vaccuum that may actually make the country even worse than it was > before. Because over 3,000 American men and women have died, hundreds of > thousands of Iraqi's have died, hundreds of thousands more will probably > die, and the Middle East is more unstable than ever. Because one man > died, but the toll in blood may far, far outweigh the value brought about > by that man's death. > > Because a nation that's supposed to value freedom and justice and > Christian values violated all of those by invading a sovereign nation on > trumped-up charges, putting a stain on the collective soul of all > Americans. > > Perhaps, because the Bible I read says that all killing is wrong, and that > rejoicing in a man's death--any man--not the act of a Christian. > > As I listened to the news today, waiting for the inevitable word that > Saddam was dead, my guts twisted in knots. I felt a sadness at listening > to people planning for a man's death--even this most evil of men. I hung > my head in grief at a world where we demonstrate that killing is wrong--by > killing. I mourned for people who will be denied the chance to face > Saddam in court, to get some kind of closure by accusing him to his face > of being the monster he was. I mourned for those who have been changed > into people who can dance and sing and kiss and rejoice at a man's > death--even this most evil of men. > > The Iraqi people in the main probably support this execution. (Many, such > as the Khurds, are upset only that it happened too soon, that Saddam was > killed before he could face the thousands of other accusers wanting to > confront him in trials for other of his atrocities). I hear there's been > singing and dancing in some parts of Iraq over his death. I understand > that emotion. If ever anyone can understandably rejoice in a man's death, > it'd be the Iraqi's. But their reactions are those of emotion, of grief > and anger and sadness. Of fear and helplessness, hopelessness and despair, > turned to rage and vengeance. > > I understand that rage, but it doesn't make it right. I understand hatred > and vengeance, but it doesn't make it right. I understand wanting an eye > for an eye, but it doesn't make it right. If Saddam had been responsible > for killing my family, I can tell you I'd try to kill him myself. But it > doesn't make it right. > > Sadly and more importantly, his killing ultimately accomplishes nothing. > Saddam is dead, bu
[scifinoir2] Saddam Hussein Executed
Saddam is dead. Aren't you happy now? He was executed, I hear, just a few minutes ago (it's 10:33 EST when I write this).He has executed by hanging, the process rushed in order to avoid a killing on the upcoming holy time of Eid Al-Ahda (Iraqi law and custom forbids killing a person on a day considered holy to him). So the order was given, the soldiers handed him over, the platform dropped, the rope stretched taut, the neck broken, and the mad leader breathed his last. Aren't you satisfied? Saddam was an evil man, responsible for untold numbers of deaths and torturings. Men, women, children--all fell before him. He thought nothing of gasing whole villages, torturing people for something as innocuous as saying the wrong thing, and subjecting his people to untold terror. Saddam's own mistress said he enjoyed watching videos of people being executed--from his bed. But now the sadist Saddam is dead. Don't you feel safer? My government said Saddam amassed weapons of mass destruction. So, they said, he had to be brought down, and this was done, with the former dictator being flushed from a "spider hole" like a coward. That no weapons of note were ever found was inconsequential, I was told, in light of one of the most evil men this side of Hitler being captured. And not just Saddam: his evil, evil sons, who raped and murdered with impunity, and tortured athletes for daring to lose an Olympic competition. With Saddam gone, I was told, Iraq would become a sacred land of democracy and happy people. So he was handed over, and his own people executed him. Is Iraq free and happy now? That Saddam Hussein was one of the most evil leaders in recent memory can't be argued. That he ruined his country and destroyed its hopes and dreams to be a better place can't be disputed. That his very children inherited his sickness is fact. That the world is better without him in a position of power, a no-brainer. So why am I not celebrating? Perhaps, because Saddam is dead, but I fear the fighting won't stop. Perhaps because as evil as he was, Hussein was a bulwark against the fanatics and terrorists who now run rampant in Iraq. Because, in an over-zealous and incredibly ill-conceived push to get those non-existent WMDs, my government destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, leaving behind a power vaccuum that may actually make the country even worse than it was before. Because over 3,000 American men and women have died, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's have died, hundreds of thousands more will probably die, and the Middle East is more unstable than ever. Because one man died, but the toll in blood may far, far outweigh the value brought about by that man's death. Because a nation that's supposed to value freedom and justice and Christian values violated all of those by invading a sovereign nation on trumped-up charges, putting a stain on the collective soul of all Americans. Perhaps, because the Bible I read says that all killing is wrong, and that rejoicing in a man's death--any man--not the act of a Christian. As I listened to the news today, waiting for the inevitable word that Saddam was dead, my guts twisted in knots. I felt a sadness at listening to people planning for a man's death--even this most evil of men. I hung my head in grief at a world where we demonstrate that killing is wrong--by killing. I mourned for people who will be denied the chance to face Saddam in court, to get some kind of closure by accusing him to his face of being the monster he was. I mourned for those who have been changed into people who can dance and sing and kiss and rejoice at a man's death--even this most evil of men. The Iraqi people in the main probably support this execution. (Many, such as the Khurds, are upset only that it happened too soon, that Saddam was killed before he could face the thousands of other accusers wanting to confront him in trials for other of his atrocities). I hear there's been singing and dancing in some parts of Iraq over his death. I understand that emotion. If ever anyone can understandably rejoice in a man's death, it'd be the Iraqi's. But their reactions are those of emotion, of grief and anger and sadness. Of fear and helplessness, hopelessness and despair, turned to rage and vengeance. I understand that rage, but it doesn't make it right. I understand hatred and vengeance, but it doesn't make it right. I understand wanting an eye for an eye, but it doesn't make it right. If Saddam had been responsible for killing my family, I can tell you I'd try to kill him myself. But it doesn't make it right. Sadly and more importantly, his killing ultimately accomplishes nothing. Saddam is dead, but the fighting will go on. He is dead, but the terrorists will keep on coming. He is dead, but Iraq is falling apart even as I write this. He is dead, but the US has created a miasma of turmoil and conflict that may take generations
Re: [scifinoir2] FDA Wants to Put Blood Substitute Test on Hold
I would say you misspoke, but if you are divorced and have the Queen Witch Goddess's sister (I was the one who married the Queen) as an ex, so much for saying you have been granted the greatest of mercies... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, I'm mercilessly single right now, nothing but friendship between me and the only two women in my life (both of whom are married). Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can answer that...You found a better pair of eyes and a few more 'accessories'...I'm willing to bet you are where you belong... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Make that *Terri*, please. And I'm still asking. She's still single, living in Europe right now. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Teerri, the first MD candidate I dated in college. Five-ten, curves like a sinewave, brown eyes to lose oneself in...I'm still asking myself how she got away. Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Un...Terri?? Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That sounds familiar. Damn Terri for having those big brown eyes. Looking into them, I doubt I'd notice a cruise missle incoming... Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't remember if it was a new deep sea breathing apparatus or artificial blood they were using fluorocarbons in the process... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That I can't help you with. Life sciences and I have an agreement. I stay over here, they over there, and never the twain meeting. If I can get in touch with my ex Terri, I'll have her pass on the info. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what passed for artificial blood way back (in terms of scientific R&D, that's "way back") then? -- Original message -- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, yeah. rtificial stuff's been around since '96. I know this because I had to have a procedure done to relieve fluid pressure in my chest back then, and I was offered the new stuff. I passed and gave my own instead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'll be. Artificial blood is a staple of scifi, and I knew it was being researched in real life. But I had no idea we were close to testing anything like that, and on humans no less... FDA: Blood Substitute Test Shouldn't Go on By ANDREW BRIDGES, Associated Press Writer Thu Dec 14, 8:16 PM WASHINGTON - A Navy plan to test a blood substitute on civilian trauma victims should remain on hold, federal health advisers recommended Thursday, saying the experiment's risks outweigh its benefits. The nonbinding vote appears to be the latest blow to the Navy, which has repeatedly sought Food and Drug Administration approval to test the product, derived from cow blood, on roughly 1,100 trauma victims in emergency situations. It proposes doing so without obtaining the customary informed consent of patients. Dr. Jay Epstein, director of FDA's office of blood research and review, told panelists that trials done without consent must clear a higher hurdle. The trials can't just minimize the harm that might befall participants but should promise them some benefit as well, he said. The panelists later voted 11-8, with one abstention, to say the experiment's potential benefits don't outweigh its risks. The FDA isn't required to follow the recommendations of its advisory committees, but it usually does. If it does in this case, it would mark the fourth time since June 2005 that the FDA has blocked Hemopure trials from starting. Each time, it has cited safety concerns about using Hemopure as an experimental substitute for the saline fluids typically given in ambulances. Hemopure's manufacturer, Biopure Corp., based in Cambridge, Mass., contends that its benefits outweigh its risks, as does the Navy. A Navy official said the blood substitute could save lives on the battlefield in places like Iraq. In Iraq, 68 percent of the U.S. troops who die of trauma before reaching a hospital suffer severe bleeding as part of their injuries, the Navy's deputy surgeon general, Rear Adm. John Mateczun, told panelists. Blood substitutes could save many of those lives. "We urgently need an oxygen-carrying capability that does not require refrigeration, is universally compatible and can be readily administered in a field setting," Mateczun said. The Navy wants to test Hemopure in the civilian world because the battlefield is too uncontrolled an environment. The most likely subjects would be young male trauma victims under the influence of alcohol, according to the Naval Medical Research Center and FDA. The panel later encouraged the Navy to redesign the experiment proposal to include only situations in which blood transfusions are not available, such as rural areas or combat zones, an FDA spokeswoman said. In testimony Thursday, one critic said the proposed trial is unethical and that the FDA's previous reasons for blocking the trial remain valid. "Human subjects would be exposed to an unreasonable and significant risk," said Dr. Sidney Wolfe of the watchdog group Public C
Re: [scifinoir2] FDA Wants to Put Blood Substitute Test on Hold
No, I'm mercilessly single right now, nothing but friendship between me and the only two women in my life (both of whom are married). Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can answer that...You found a better pair of eyes and a few more 'accessories'...I'm willing to bet you are where you belong... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Make that *Terri*, please. And I'm still asking. She's still single, living in Europe right now. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Teerri, the first MD candidate I dated in college. Five-ten, curves like a sinewave, brown eyes to lose oneself in...I'm still asking myself how she got away. Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Un...Terri?? Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That sounds familiar. Damn Terri for having those big brown eyes. Looking into them, I doubt I'd notice a cruise missle incoming... Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't remember if it was a new deep sea breathing apparatus or artificial blood they were using fluorocarbons in the process... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That I can't help you with. Life sciences and I have an agreement. I stay over here, they over there, and never the twain meeting. If I can get in touch with my ex Terri, I'll have her pass on the info. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what passed for artificial blood way back (in terms of scientific R&D, that's "way back") then? -- Original message -- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, yeah. rtificial stuff's been around since '96. I know this because I had to have a procedure done to relieve fluid pressure in my chest back then, and I was offered the new stuff. I passed and gave my own instead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'll be. Artificial blood is a staple of scifi, and I knew it was being researched in real life. But I had no idea we were close to testing anything like that, and on humans no less... FDA: Blood Substitute Test Shouldn't Go on By ANDREW BRIDGES, Associated Press Writer Thu Dec 14, 8:16 PM WASHINGTON - A Navy plan to test a blood substitute on civilian trauma victims should remain on hold, federal health advisers recommended Thursday, saying the experiment's risks outweigh its benefits. The nonbinding vote appears to be the latest blow to the Navy, which has repeatedly sought Food and Drug Administration approval to test the product, derived from cow blood, on roughly 1,100 trauma victims in emergency situations. It proposes doing so without obtaining the customary informed consent of patients. Dr. Jay Epstein, director of FDA's office of blood research and review, told panelists that trials done without consent must clear a higher hurdle. The trials can't just minimize the harm that might befall participants but should promise them some benefit as well, he said. The panelists later voted 11-8, with one abstention, to say the experiment's potential benefits don't outweigh its risks. The FDA isn't required to follow the recommendations of its advisory committees, but it usually does. If it does in this case, it would mark the fourth time since June 2005 that the FDA has blocked Hemopure trials from starting. Each time, it has cited safety concerns about using Hemopure as an experimental substitute for the saline fluids typically given in ambulances. Hemopure's manufacturer, Biopure Corp., based in Cambridge, Mass., contends that its benefits outweigh its risks, as does the Navy. A Navy official said the blood substitute could save lives on the battlefield in places like Iraq. In Iraq, 68 percent of the U.S. troops who die of trauma before reaching a hospital suffer severe bleeding as part of their injuries, the Navy's deputy surgeon general, Rear Adm. John Mateczun, told panelists. Blood substitutes could save many of those lives. "We urgently need an oxygen-carrying capability that does not require refrigeration, is universally compatible and can be readily administered in a field setting," Mateczun said. The Navy wants to test Hemopure in the civilian world because the battlefield is too uncontrolled an environment. The most likely subjects would be young male trauma victims under the influence of alcohol, according to the Naval Medical Research Center and FDA. The panel later encouraged the Navy to redesign the experiment proposal to include only situations in which blood transfusions are not available, such as rural areas or combat zones, an FDA spokeswoman said. In testimony Thursday, one critic said the proposed trial is unethical and that the FDA's previous reasons for blocking the trial remain valid. "Human subjects would be exposed to an unreasonable and significant risk," said Dr. Sidney Wolfe of the watchdog group Public Citizen. Thursday's meeting originally was to have been held in secret in July, but the FDA postponed it at the last minute after Public Citizen sued. Researchers say blood substitutes can both counter a dangerous drop in blood pressure in blee
[scifinoir2] Re: Fantastic Four / Silver Surfer Preview
Try this: www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fantasticfourriseofthesilversurfer/ George --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the link won't work for me > > > Said Kakese Dibinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (http://www.apple. com/trailers/ fox/fantasticfou rriseofthesilver surfer/large. html) > > http://blog.thebayindogroup.com/ > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > "La'V' is always watching...Be careful who you talk to." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
[scifinoir2] Re:Film Review: Curse of the Golden Flower
> Thanks for the review, question: > > Is it worth mantinee or full price? Addendum: a coworker of mine, who was born in China, is very anxious to see the film. He said that the film's director is one of the VERY FEW Chinese directors who are allowed to film inside The Forbidden City. He also said that several scenes are the real deal... inside the real Imperial Palace, since he saw them before he left China. Having learned this, I'm even more glad that I saw it on the big screen. You get a sense of the huge size of the palace. One personal goal I have is to practice T'ai Chi Ch'uan there. Learn more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_City http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/beijing/forbidden.htm George
Re: [scifinoir2] FDA Wants to Put Blood Substitute Test on Hold
I can answer that...You found a better pair of eyes and a few more 'accessories'...I'm willing to bet you are where you belong... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Make that *Terri*, please. And I'm still asking. She's still single, living in Europe right now. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Teerri, the first MD candidate I dated in college. Five-ten, curves like a sinewave, brown eyes to lose oneself in...I'm still asking myself how she got away. Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Un...Terri?? Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That sounds familiar. Damn Terri for having those big brown eyes. Looking into them, I doubt I'd notice a cruise missle incoming... Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't remember if it was a new deep sea breathing apparatus or artificial blood they were using fluorocarbons in the process... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That I can't help you with. Life sciences and I have an agreement. I stay over here, they over there, and never the twain meeting. If I can get in touch with my ex Terri, I'll have her pass on the info. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what passed for artificial blood way back (in terms of scientific R&D, that's "way back") then? -- Original message -- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, yeah. rtificial stuff's been around since '96. I know this because I had to have a procedure done to relieve fluid pressure in my chest back then, and I was offered the new stuff. I passed and gave my own instead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'll be. Artificial blood is a staple of scifi, and I knew it was being researched in real life. But I had no idea we were close to testing anything like that, and on humans no less... FDA: Blood Substitute Test Shouldn't Go on By ANDREW BRIDGES, Associated Press Writer Thu Dec 14, 8:16 PM WASHINGTON - A Navy plan to test a blood substitute on civilian trauma victims should remain on hold, federal health advisers recommended Thursday, saying the experiment's risks outweigh its benefits. The nonbinding vote appears to be the latest blow to the Navy, which has repeatedly sought Food and Drug Administration approval to test the product, derived from cow blood, on roughly 1,100 trauma victims in emergency situations. It proposes doing so without obtaining the customary informed consent of patients. Dr. Jay Epstein, director of FDA's office of blood research and review, told panelists that trials done without consent must clear a higher hurdle. The trials can't just minimize the harm that might befall participants but should promise them some benefit as well, he said. The panelists later voted 11-8, with one abstention, to say the experiment's potential benefits don't outweigh its risks. The FDA isn't required to follow the recommendations of its advisory committees, but it usually does. If it does in this case, it would mark the fourth time since June 2005 that the FDA has blocked Hemopure trials from starting. Each time, it has cited safety concerns about using Hemopure as an experimental substitute for the saline fluids typically given in ambulances. Hemopure's manufacturer, Biopure Corp., based in Cambridge, Mass., contends that its benefits outweigh its risks, as does the Navy. A Navy official said the blood substitute could save lives on the battlefield in places like Iraq. In Iraq, 68 percent of the U.S. troops who die of trauma before reaching a hospital suffer severe bleeding as part of their injuries, the Navy's deputy surgeon general, Rear Adm. John Mateczun, told panelists. Blood substitutes could save many of those lives. "We urgently need an oxygen-carrying capability that does not require refrigeration, is universally compatible and can be readily administered in a field setting," Mateczun said. The Navy wants to test Hemopure in the civilian world because the battlefield is too uncontrolled an environment. The most likely subjects would be young male trauma victims under the influence of alcohol, according to the Naval Medical Research Center and FDA. The panel later encouraged the Navy to redesign the experiment proposal to include only situations in which blood transfusions are not available, such as rural areas or combat zones, an FDA spokeswoman said. In testimony Thursday, one critic said the proposed trial is unethical and that the FDA's previous reasons for blocking the trial remain valid. "Human subjects would be exposed to an unreasonable and significant risk," said Dr. Sidney Wolfe of the watchdog group Public Citizen. Thursday's meeting originally was to have been held in secret in July, but the FDA postponed it at the last minute after Public Citizen sued. Researchers say blood substitutes can both counter a dangerous drop in blood pressure in bleeding victims and carry oxygen from the lungs to the body. Saline fluids can do the former but not the latter. While blood can do both, it has its own limitations. Unlike bloo
Re: [scifinoir2] Fantastic Four / Silver Surfer Preview
That I will, pal. Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doing the next best thing...Switching to AT&T and DISH...pray for me... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Happy Holidays to you also, pal! And stock up on holy water... Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Happy Holidays, everyone...The Devil's Network (Comcast) cut me off... Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not bad. Could be worse. Now let's see if they can fit an actual decent flick around it... Said Kakese Dibinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (http://www.apple. com/trailers/ fox/fantasticfou rriseofthesilver surfer/large. html) http://blog.thebayindogroup.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] If any one of our restaurants were better than the rest, then customers would flocck to that location, creating a mass imbalance that could create a black hole, which would swallow the Earth. That's why we make every McDonald's from Pomona to Poughkeepsie the same good place to eat, thereby saving the Universe.-from McDonald's commercial ,28 January 1990 "Is anybody hungry?" - W Zeddemore, "The Real Ghostbusters", 'The Cabinet of Calamari' __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "La'V' is always watching...Be careful who you talk to." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] If any one of our restaurants were better than the rest, then customers would flocck to that location, creating a mass imbalance that could create a black hole, which would swallow the Earth. That's why we make every McDonald's from Pomona to Poughkeepsie the same good place to eat, thereby saving the Universe.-from McDonald's commercial ,28 January 1990 "Is anybody hungry?" - W Zeddemore, "The Real Ghostbusters", 'The Cabinet of Calamari' __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] "La'V' is always watching...Be careful who you talk to." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] If any one of our restaurants were better than the rest, then customers would flocck to that location, creating a mass imbalance that could create a black hole, which would swallow the Earth. That's why we make every McDonald's from Pomona to Poughkeepsie the same good place to eat, thereby saving the Universe.-from McDonald's commercial ,28 January 1990 "Is anybody hungry?" - W Zeddemore, "The Real Ghostbusters", 'The Cabinet of Calamari' __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
