Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[KeithBJohnson]

What was the British production? Was it a theatrical release, TV 
movie/miniseries, or direct-to-DVD? I seem to remember a "War of the Worlds" 
airing on SciFi, starring C. Thomas Howell, I believe, but never bothered to 
watch it.  

For my money, outside the original radio broadcast by Orson Welles, the best 
War of the Worlds treatment is still the movie from the '50s. The FX by George 
Pal still hold up, and though the story's changed from the book, it's 
compelling. Not really a slow movie, either, as even the non-action scenes have 
meaning.  *Nothing* beats those goose-necked spaceships floating eerily out of 
the cloud of the A-bomb, spewing beams of death all around!  And that classic, 
classic scene when a Martian puts its hand on the actress, and she turns around 
with an almost comical look of fear--priceless!

 Spielberg's version is *awesome* in so many ways--the true-to-the-book look of 
 the craft, that horrid sound they make--almost as bad as the Shadows on 
B5--the "heat rays" literally turning people to dust.  When those craft came 
out of the river and swamped that boat--daaamn! and the military attack was 
amazing, moreso because we don't see it, just the entire hill lighting up. But 
then, Spielberg does things that piss me off: bringing in a little girl, which 
I hate, because you *know* little kids don't die in American movies; hence, you 
have a false source of danger. Then that wise-ass son of Cruise's, who's 
actually taking time to argue the "you never loved me" angle while the world's 
being annihilated??! I don't believe in hitting children, but in this case I'd 
have laid his butt out! Then the useless time wasted with Tim Robbins' 
character in the basement of that house.  Had Spielberg kept the tone 
serious--and deadly--throughout, and lost the kids, this version could have been
 one of the best scifi films ever. It's the same thing he did with "Jurassic 
Park", which has moments of geniune fear, but those darn kids drag it all 
down...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
The "how" is *easy*, Keith. Just as, back in '05, we briefly had dueling "War 
of the Worlds" movies (Spielberg's version and that British production that I 
did waste my money on via DVD rental), H'Wood likes to play both ends against 
the middle. The question that begs asking is "*Why*"?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To this day I'm trying to figure out how someone got 
*two* horrible movies about Mars greenlighted (three, if you count that 
laughably bad "Ghosts of Mars" with Pam Grier, and LL Cool J?) I missed both 
the first two at the theatre adn thought I'd actually *missed* something. Then 
I caught them on TV, adn thank goodness I didn't pay for them! They're so bad I 
can't remember which is which, but amazing that actors like Gary Sinese, Don 
Cheadle, and Tim Robbins could be in someting so awfully bad. I think the other 
one of those two you mentioned had Val Kilmer. WAtched it on a cold rainy day 
in January. Only the chocolate chip cookies and the comfort of my wife on the 
coach next to me got me through that one!

For some reason, movies abour Mars have sucked for decades. Ive seen 'em all 
and all have been bad and chintzy. I think "Angry Red Planet" was okay, but is 
it the one with some giant blob creature with one big eye absorbing astronauts 
in its protoplasm?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[KeithBJohnson]

Ditto, and I remember the star next showing up in a short-lived sitcom on Fox 
way back in the "X-Files" days, and also having a guest spot on Star Trek: TNG 
as a thief who steals a time machine and journeys to the future to steal 
Federation tech. the plan was that he'd "invent" the tech back in the past, and 
make a bundle. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> I liked Max Headroom at first, but I remember it loosing its appeal over 
> time. Tracey 
> 
> Daryle wrote: 
> > 
> > I've never seen this, I will look for it. While we're on British, we 
> > haven't discussed Max Headroom. Has anyone seen "20 minutes into the 
> > future"? 
> > 
> > On May 11, 2007, at 12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > > Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian Chronicles. Or maybe 
> > > it's because I remember watching the whole thing by myself late 
> > > night, but I never liked it. 
> > > 
> > > As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the 
> > > US as "Five Million Years to EArth". Original British title 
> > > "Quartermass and the Pit", it's well done and scary. The Martians 
> > > have programmed us from eons ago to respond to their commands when 
> > > the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are depicted as 
> > > ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and 
> > > grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green 
> > > men. Here's a brief synopsis: 
> > > 
> > > Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit) 
> > > 
> > > Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the 
> > > skeletal remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging 
> > > reveals what is at first believed to be an unexploded German bomb 
> > > from World War II. Missile expert Colonel Breen is brought in to 
> > > investigate, accompanied by Professor Bernard Quartermass. When the 
> > > interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead locust-like creature 
> > > that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by Quartermass 
> > > that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of 
> > > our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When 
> > > Quartermass's suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant 
> > > evil in humans is confirmed, all hell breaks loose 
> > > 
> > > -- Original message -- 
> > > From: Daryle > > > 
> > > Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
> > > have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
> > > "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001". 
> > > 
> > > On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
> > > Minor) wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> > > > II. The 
> > > > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian 
> > > > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules! 
> > > > 
> > > > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads 
> > > this. 
> > > > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all 
> > > the 
> > > > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for 
> > > > colonization 
> > > > 
> > > > Tracey 
> > > > 
> > > > Martin wrote: 
> > > >> 
> > > >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care. 
> > > >> 
> > > >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > > >> > > 
> > > >> > wrote: I was 
> > > >> watching a 
> > > >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I 
> > > >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles 
> > > with 
> > > >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Martin wrote: 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
> > > >>> it's 
> > > >>> an immediate ban...sneaky... 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > > > wrote: come on people, 
> > > >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me... 
> > > >>> Please 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Tarcey 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: 
> > >  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a 
> > > >> lot of 
> > >  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
> > >  show 
> > >  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
> > >  missed 
> > >  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
> > >  several 
> > >  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
> > >  open, I 
> > >  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that 
> > >  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
> > >  mini 
> > >  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
> > >  favorites and 
> > > >

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[KeithBJohnson]

yes indeed, great movie. I need to look it up, now I'm thinking about it...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
You've named a classic, my friend.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian 
Chronicles. Or maybe it's because I remember watching the whole thing by myself 
late night, but I never liked it.

As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the US as "Five 
Million Years to EArth". Original British title "Quartermass and the Pit", it's 
well done and scary. The Martians have programmed us from eons ago to respond 
to their commands when the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are 
depicted as ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and 
grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green men. Here's 
a brief synopsis:

Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)

Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the skeletal 
remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging reveals what is at 
first believed to be an unexploded German bomb from World War II. Missile 
expert Colonel Breen is brought in to investigate, accompanied by Professor 
Bernard Quartermass. When the interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead 
locust-like creature that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by 
Quartermass that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of 
our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When Quartermass's 
suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant evil in humans is 
confirmed, all hell breaks loose

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

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Re: [scifinoir2] Companies Drill Down To High School

[Martin]

Interesting article, Reece. Let me know if there's a follow-up. Personally, I 
don't see many takers, the world being geared toward the "make all the money in 
sight" mindset.

Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Companies Drill Down To High School

By Kenneth J. St. Onge

Hartford Business Journal Staff Writer

04/23/07

_ 

In just a few weeks, local high schools will graduate thousands of students.
Some will become doctors, some lawyers, some insurance company workers.

Almost none of them will be going into manufacturing jobs.

 

Stanley Wesolowski of New Britain, an assembly technician at Trumpf Inc. in
Farmington, puts the finishing touches on a resonator unit, which generates
the high-powered laser beam used in one of the company's cutting machines.

Each year, the handful of technical high schools in the area - A. I. Prince
Technical High School in Hartford, Howell Cheney Technical in Manchester,
E.C. Goodwin Technical in New Britain, and Bristol Tech - graduate roughly
35 to 40 students, in total, from manufacturing programs. That leaves a
miniscule pipeline of potential workers, and a host of very concerned
potential employers. 

That's why Connecticut's manufacturers want to talk. 

A coalition of business groups will soon start a more aggressive effort to
market manufacturing jobs to high school and even middle school students as
part of a plan to lure more workers into that people-starved trade. 

That coalition, which includes the Connecticut Business and Industry
Association, Capital Workforce Partners and the state Department of Labor,
among others, plans to target teachers, guidance counselors and parents in
an effort to raise the profile of manufacturing as a viable career for
graduating students. 

Pilot Program

A pilot program is being put together for the Bristol and New Britain areas,
which are rife with spring companies and other manufacturers, and where the
local chambers of commerce first broached the issue of worker recruitment. 

"We want to market this as a unified voice of stakeholders," said Thomas
Phillips, CEO of Capital Workforce Partners. Phillips said the goal is to
counteract the notion that manufacturing is an industry in decline - one
increasingly outsourced to other countries and full of dead-end, low paying
jobs. 

 

Tom Phillips

"There is a lot of misunderstanding of what a manufacturer is today," said
John Leone, president of the Greater Bristol Chamber of Commerce. "It's a
more technically skilled job now than it's ever been, and workers are paid
well for it."

Rich Larkin, a consultant who works with manufacturers across the state,
said that although manufacturing is considered a blue collar job, the pay
scales are anything but blue collar. Apprenticed toolmakers-those with
several years' experience-can earn $15 to $20 an hour, and senior toolmakers
can make upwards of $100,000 per year. The devices that manufacturing
workers operate are highly complicated, technically advanced machines and
require a high level of skill and training to use, he said. 

Although employment projections by the state's Department of Labor show a
shrinking workforce for manufacturing jobs, employers in Connecticut face a
tough task hiring for skilled manufacturing positions, industry experts
said. And with an inevitable exodus of older workers coming, they are trying
now to bolster the ranks of manufacturing workers by decade's end.

Exactly how they will promote the industry to those would-be widget makers
is still being worked out, said Lauren Kaufman of CBIA. But it will probably
include marketing techniques such as career expos, informational DVDs,
organized visits to manufacturing businesses, direct mail and radio
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[scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

[votomguy]

to be honest i kinda liked the ewoks, but i couldn't stand the 
gungans (not just jarjar but all of 'em) the puppet scenes in the 
star wars movies just adds to its silliness. 
lets see there's that whole scene on hut's ship in return of the jedi 
where lucas unsuccessfully tried to create a lounge scene... BUT WITH 
ALIENS, YEAH! i won't even go into the pod race, or the gungan's 
battle with the droids, or that stupid thing that kenobi was riding 
in revenge of the sith. 
i think that the mandelorians are the coolest thing in the universe, 
but we'll never see them because they think that jedis and sith are 
silly.
scifi films were rerepairably ruined by star wars (this is all the 
more ironic when you consider that star wars is a space opera and not 
scifi). it's one of those movies that's cool as a kid, but when you 
watch them as an adult they kind of lose their appeal. even star trek 
holds up, sure it's a little cheesy but it's not unbelieveable. 
what's even more laughable is the lucas has the balls to poke fun at 
a series that PREDATES star wars by a few decades. sure it's a little 
over the top, but that's the point. comics aren't supposed to be 
realistic. if they were they wouldn't be comics. i think that he's 
jealous that 1000 yrs from now people will be trying to find out who 
this spiderman was and if he really exsisted while they'll disregard 
star wars as a childrens movie. 
there are plenty of wonderful things in the star wars universe, but 
then that's what makes it so silly. lucas doesn't focus on one or 
even two and use the rest as back drop. he wants you to get 
the "full" experience of the star wars universe.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Jar Jar Binks is not silly? Ewoks are not silly? Lucas needs to 
shut 
> his pie-hole on this topic of silliness.
> 
> George
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why
> > everyone was freaking out over it.  When I watch them now as an
> > adult, I find the acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and
> > unimaginative...and those are the good ones. There is no way this
> > man can believe that the mess he made of the Star Wars franchise 
is
> > less "silly than the Spiderman.  Even with the flaws, I think the
> > Spiderman franchise is fantastic. I think Lucas is jealous
> > 
> > Tracey
> > 
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it.
> > >
> > > "B. Smith" mailto:daikaiju66%40yahoo.com>> 
> > > wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep
> > > considering it's coming from the man that delivered three tepid
> > > prequels, Gungans, Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed.
> > >
> > > I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or 
Lucas.
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > , "Tracey de Morsella 
> (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman
> > > > has a few problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one
> > > > movie) but I do not think Stars Wars never really delved into
> > > > character development like the Spiderman series has done.
> > > >
> > > > =
> > > >
> > > > Lucas is currently preparing "Indiana Jones 4" with Harrison
> > > > Ford, Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son,
> > > > which means his mother was possibly the character Karen Allen
> > > > played in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."
> 
> 
>

[scifinoir2] Spider-Man 3 Review

[Amy]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here's a review I completely agree with.  I enjoyed this film as much as the 
first two.
Cheers!
Amy


> Spider-Man 3
> Bottom Line: A dazzling kick-off to the summer '07 movie season.
> By Michael Rechtshaffen
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film/reviews/article_display.jsp?JSESSIONID=ycG9GrFVZQkNf78LnFPGm1xwrm90wyPv0DXYCpb1QrvTRY1Yn6Th!672354067&&rid=9075
> Apr 23, 2007
>
> The Sandman is one of the new foes Spider-Man faces in the third
> installment of the superhero franchise.
>
> Left dangling for the past three years, arachnophiles everywhere finally
> have cause to celebrate.
>
> The biggest (with a production budget due north of $250 million) and
> longest (clocking in at 139 minutes) and quite possibly the capper of a
> trilogy featuring the current talent lineup, "Spider-Man 3" has done it
> again.
>
> Certain to please the geek squad by remaining ever true to its comic
> book roots while retaining that satisfying emotional core that has
> registered with equal numbers of female fans, "Spider-Man 3" has all its
> demographic bases covered.
>
> And while the picture as a contained whole might fall an itsy-bitsy
> short of the personal best set by Sam Raimi's 2004 edition, the wow
> factor works overtime with state-of-the-art effects sequences that often
> are as beautiful as they are astonishing.
> Having already received its world premiere last week in Tokyo in a nod
> to piracy concerns, "Spider-Man 3" is slated to arrive in a good portion
> of the globe ahead of its May 4 North American bow. "Spidey's" already
> impressive tracking numbers should be off the hook by the time it hits
> theaters here.
>
> Factor in those additional Imax screens, and the Columbia Pictures
> blockbuster should spin a worldwide web that should build substantially
> on the $1.6 billion already brought in by the first two installments.
>
> Fittingly for a Marvel comic book character who seems to be even more
> tormented by issues of duality than his superpowered colleagues,
> "Spider-Man 3" introduces not one but two formidable foes determined to
> take the web-slinger down.
>
> First there's Flint Marko (Thomas Haden Church), an escaped con who
> becomes better known as Sandman after his DNA bonds with sand particles
> when he inadvertently gets caught in the middle of a molecular fusion
> experiment.
>
> Then there's Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), Peter Parker's photo-snapping
> rival at the Daily Bugle who is transformed into the extremely nasty
> Venom after being enveloped in that black goop from another galaxy that
> temporarily brings out Parker's own darker impulses.
>
> That's in addition to the love-hate relationship Pete already has with
> Harry Osborn (James Franco), who is very much in the latter mode at the
> beginning of the picture, determined to make Parker pay for his father's
> (aka Green Goblin) death.
>
> But Parker also is preoccupied with his relationship with longtime
> girlfriend Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst). Things have hit a bit of a
> rocky patch as Mary Jane's acting career suffers a serious setback at
> the same time when Spider-Man's public adoration is at an all-time high.
>
> Further complicating his marriage-proposal plans is the appearance of
> Gwen Stacy (Bryce Dallas Howard), the daughter of a police captain
> (James Cromwell) and a classmate of Parker's (not to mention the object
> of Eddie Brock's desires) whose public crush on Spider-Man has been duly
> noted by Mary Jane.
>
> Tis a very tangled web of relationships, indeed, and things only become
> more enmeshed when Marko is found to be implicated in the death of
> Parker's Uncle Ben (Cliff Robertson).
>
> Keeping them all neatly interconnected is the ambitious script by Raimi
> and his brother Ivan Raimi along with Alvin Sargent, who also helped
> elevate "Spider-Man 2."
>
> While there are times the film's underlying theme of the power of
> forgiveness isn't always quite as subtle as it could be, it nevertheless
> serves as an effective anchor for the performers.
>
> That aforementioned sinister substance that turns Spidey's suit a sleek,
> inky black also affords Tobey Maguire the opportunity to have a little
> fun getting in touch with his dark side, even when the bad boy makeover
> -- with his slicked-forward bangs and finger-popping attitude -- reminds
> one of a "Reefer Madness" fiend or, say, Robert Downey Jr. in "Less Than
> Zero."
>
> At times, it also feels as if Raimi -- his Spidey senses tingling that
> this could well be his last stint as web master -- is determined to make
> sure he gets everything in. The result, aside from a running time that
> comes in 12 minutes longer than the previous edition, isn't always as
> cleanly executed as it might have been, especially toward the ending.
>
> But there's plenty to enjoy here, from all the usual suspects, plus
> nicely conflicted performances by Church and Grace (ironic names for
> portrayers of bad guys, huh?).
>
> Not to be outdone are tho

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Astromancer]

LMAO...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  IX-NAY on the IDEAS-AY...

g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll bet that one of these future films 
will be a WWF Smackdown 
featuring T3 and T2 vs. Alien and Predator.

More silliness and a waste of $$$ indeed... enough with the prequels, 
already!

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (applause)
> 
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: Someone forward this to George Lucas, with the following
> note:
> 
> G:
> THIS, my friend, is silly.
> sincerely,
> the people who actually PAY to see movies.
> 
> How about we stop with the prequels and finish telling a story. The 
> comic book movies are the only ones moving FORWARD.
> 
> On May 10, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
> Minor) wrote:
> 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The
> > Governator, not so much. The Halcyon Company has announced plans
> > to revive the cyborg-battling movie series with at least three
> > more films, after the production company purchased all rights to
> > the dormant franchise for an undisclosed, though likely
> > eight-figure, sum.



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[scifinoir2] Companies Drill Down To High School

[Reece Jennings]

Companies Drill Down To High School


By Kenneth J. St. Onge

Hartford Business Journal Staff Writer

04/23/07

  _  

 

In just a few weeks, local high schools will graduate thousands of students.
Some will become doctors, some lawyers, some insurance company workers.

Almost none of them will be going into manufacturing jobs.

   

Stanley Wesolowski of New Britain, an assembly technician at Trumpf Inc. in
Farmington, puts the finishing touches on a resonator unit, which generates
the high-powered laser beam used in one of the company's cutting machines.

Each year, the handful of technical high schools in the area - A. I. Prince
Technical High School in Hartford, Howell Cheney Technical in Manchester,
E.C. Goodwin Technical in New Britain, and Bristol Tech - graduate roughly
35 to 40 students, in total, from manufacturing programs. That leaves a
miniscule pipeline of potential workers, and a host of very concerned
potential employers. 

That's why Connecticut's manufacturers want to talk. 

A coalition of business groups will soon start a more aggressive effort to
market manufacturing jobs to high school and even middle school students as
part of a plan to lure more workers into that people-starved trade. 

That coalition, which includes the Connecticut Business and Industry
Association, Capital Workforce Partners and the state Department of Labor,
among others, plans to target teachers, guidance counselors and parents in
an effort to raise the profile of manufacturing as a viable career for
graduating students. 

 

Pilot Program

A pilot program is being put together for the Bristol and New Britain areas,
which are rife with spring companies and other manufacturers, and where the
local chambers of commerce first broached the issue of worker recruitment. 

"We want to market this as a unified voice of stakeholders," said Thomas
Phillips, CEO of Capital Workforce Partners. Phillips said the goal is to
counteract the notion that manufacturing is an industry in decline - one
increasingly outsourced to other countries and full of dead-end, low paying
jobs. 

 
 

Tom Phillips

"There is a lot of misunderstanding of what a manufacturer is today," said
John Leone, president of the Greater Bristol Chamber of Commerce. "It's a
more technically skilled job now than it's ever been, and workers are paid
well for it."

Rich Larkin, a consultant who works with manufacturers across the state,
said that although manufacturing is considered a blue collar job, the pay
scales are anything but blue collar. Apprenticed toolmakers-those with
several years' experience-can earn $15 to $20 an hour, and senior toolmakers
can make upwards of $100,000 per year. The devices that manufacturing
workers operate are highly complicated, technically advanced machines and
require a high level of skill and training to use, he said. 

Although employment projections by the state's Department of Labor show a
shrinking workforce for manufacturing jobs, employers in Connecticut face a
tough task hiring for skilled manufacturing positions, industry experts
said. And with an inevitable exodus of older workers coming, they are trying
now to bolster the ranks of manufacturing workers by decade's end.

Exactly how they will promote the industry to those would-be widget makers
is still being worked out, said Lauren Kaufman of CBIA. But it will probably
include marketing techniques such as career expos, informational DVDs,
organized visits to manufacturing businesses, direct mail and radio
advertising.

 

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[scifinoir2] Manufacturers Desperate For Younger Workers--Search on for machinists and engineers

[Reece Jennings]

 

Manufacturers Desperate For Younger Workers


Search on for machinists and engineers



By Jonathan O'Connell

Hartford Business Journal Staff Writer

04/23/07

  _  

 

There are pamphlets and posters and Power Point presentations explaining
that the perception of manufacturing as greasy, backbreaking work no longer
holds true.

But for local aerospace companies, all the marketing hasn't been enough. The
average age of their workforce is still over 50, and young people continue
to view their facilities as a second-rate place to land a job. 

Contributed Photo

 
 

Susan Parker works at Kamatics Corp. in Bloomfield as a CNC milling machine
operator.

So a rapidly expanding group of companies has begun sweetening the bait by
offering one-year scholarships to Asnuntuck Community College for
certificates in manufacturing and technology - and the chance to land
well-paying jobs producing sophisticated jet engine components. 

This school year, MTU Aero Engines, a German company with North American
headquarters in Newington, gave out two such scholarships, worth $4,000 in
tuition plus money for books and tools. 

Next year, nine companies plan to give out 28 scholarships, a number that
could rise as the school year approaches. Training, designed by the
companies and sometimes taking place in their own facilities, includes
skills like computer-aided design (CAD), blueprint reading, inspections and
various machine usage. 

"It's very, very difficult to find skilled people in the market. And it
doesn't seem like the newest generation of kids is excited by these jobs,
which is upsetting because they pay so well," said Alain Berube, president
and CEO of MTU Aero N.A. 

MTU is in search of engineers, as well as machinists trained on equipment
like CNC lathes. 

 

Paid To Learn

Once selected for a scholarship by a company (with the help of Asnuntuck),
students undergo nine months of training beginning in September, the first
three as full-time students and the next six doing school and internships
both part-time. They must maintain standards for attendance and grades. 

When they finish, they have certificates in manufacturing and technology, 30
credits toward an associate's degree and have earned thousands of dollars
through their internships. MTU, for instance, pays its interns $11 per hour.


Scholarship recipients will also have a job ready for them in the $15 per
hour range and the opportunity to take more company-sponsored classes down
the road. 

Frank Gulluni, director of manufacturing and technology for Asnuntuck, said
response to the idea among local companies has been tremendous. Among others
that have joined are Sterling Machine Co., in Enfield, Delta Industries, in
East Granby and Flanagan Industries, in Glastonbury. 

"It seems to have had a very, very positive response. Next year, I believe
we'll have 50 to 100 scholarships," Gulluni said. 

Paul Murphy, CEO of Sterling Machine, will fund at least four scholarships
next school year. He said that after some trimming of the U.S. aerospace
industry, the remaining companies are "bigger, stronger, more stable," and
ready to grow. He recently added 20,000 square feet of production space to
the company's Enfield facility and plans future expansion, provided he can
find new workers. 

"The buildings are easy to buy. The equipment is easy to buy. It's the
people that are difficult," Murphy said. 

But Murphy is willing to pay for them, too. He said immediately after the
Asnuntuck program, the new hires will likely make between $15 and $16 per
hour. Four years later they could make $21.34 per hour which, given a
55-hour work week, amounts to close to $70,000 per year.

"And they have no college loans," he said.

Not only that, but Murphy said Sterling will pay for more education for
employees as long as they like. 

"If they want to get a Ph.D., they can go ahead and do it. We'll pay for
it," he said. 

That isn't to say there isn't any marketing left to be done. 

With the scholarships to dangle, Asnuntuck and the aerospace executives are
planning on pushing the offer beyond students to high school teachers and
guidance counselors. 

Two weeks ago, after getting the word out to local high schools, Asnuntuck
held an open house that drew 40 potential scholarship seekers, ages about 18
to 30, along with educators and parents. Applicants undergo some math
testing and the school will then suggest candidates to the companies. 

Changing the perception of the industry has been a main focus of Aerospace
Components Manufacturers, a group working to build and sustain the industry
in Connecticut. 

"Aerospace is a cyclical industry, and we're clearly on an upswing," said
Allen Samuel, executive director.

He added: "Everybody is looking to hire."

 
 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I liked Max Headroom at first, but I remember it loosing its appeal over 
time.  Tracey

Daryle wrote:
>
> I've never seen this, I will look for it. While we're on British, we
> haven't discussed Max Headroom. Has anyone seen "20 minutes into the
> future"?
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  wrote:
>
> > Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian Chronicles. Or maybe
> > it's because I remember watching the whole thing by myself late
> > night, but I never liked it.
> >
> > As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the
> > US as "Five Million Years to EArth". Original British title
> > "Quartermass and the Pit", it's well done and scary. The Martians
> > have programmed us from eons ago to respond to their commands when
> > the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are depicted as
> > ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and
> > grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green
> > men. Here's a brief synopsis:
> >
> > Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)
> >
> > Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the
> > skeletal remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging
> > reveals what is at first believed to be an unexploded German bomb
> > from World War II. Missile expert Colonel Breen is brought in to
> > investigate, accompanied by Professor Bernard Quartermass. When the
> > interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead locust-like creature
> > that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by Quartermass
> > that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of
> > our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When
> > Quartermass's suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant
> > evil in humans is confirmed, all hell breaks loose
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> > Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's
> > have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes
> > "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".
> >
> > On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> > Minor) wrote:
> >
> > > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles
> > > II. The
> > > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> > > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
> > >
> > > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads
> > this.
> > > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all
> > the
> > > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> > > colonization
> > >
> > > Tracey
> > >
> > > Martin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
> > >>
> > >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> > >> > wrote: I was
> > >> watching a
> > >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> > >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles
> > with
> > >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
> > >>
> > >> Martin wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,
> > >>> it's
> > >>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
> > >>>
> > >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > wrote: come on people,
> > >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> > >>> Please
> > >>>
> > >>> Tarcey
> > >>>
> > >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
> >  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
> > >> lot of
> >  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV
> >  show
> >  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I
> >  missed
> >  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite
> >  several
> >  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending
> >  open, I
> >  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
> >  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi
> >  mini
> >  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my
> >  favorites and
> >  one I absolute hated
> > 
> >  Liked a lot
> >  The Stand
> >  Dune and Children of Dune
> >  The Lost Room
> >  Lathe of Heaven
> > 
> >  Hated:
> >  Earthsea
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> > >>> will
> > >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A
> > Man
> > >>> Without A Country"
> > >>>
> > >>> -
> > >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> > >>

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Martin]

As for the "Logan's Run" series, it was the former, some bright boy going back 
to have a look at history and causing it as a result. (The part of my brain 
that remembered that stubbornly refuses to let me remember what I had for lunch 
yesterday while dredging up such dreck as this. Go figure, eh?) And I recall 
hearing a rumor that there *was* going to be a Saturday morning "Terminator" 
toon, but plans fell through.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  yeah, I watched the "Logan's Run" series. It 
was pretty awful. Nohting's worse than having people in futuristic garb run 
around desert California settings encountering primitive folks all the day. The 
only show I remember halfway liking was the one where a guy went back in time 
to the 20th century to see what caused the great war. Or maybe he actually went 
*forward* in time from the 20th Century to Logan's time and wondered what 
happened in the ensuing years to cause a war. Turns out that his trip did, as 
all the nations freaked over someone having from America having the ability to 
time travel, and went tto war over it. Other than that, the series sucked. Like 
I said previously, I don't know if there's anyone who can beat me for watching 
bad scifi just to get a fix. Maybe Tracey. Martin. Astro... But then, I bet 
none of *them* are currently watching every single re-run of "Voyager" on 
SpikeTV!

A Terminator animated series down well would rock! I just cant' see a live 
action one not getting kitchsy or boring. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Oh wow. "Logan's Run". You saw that, too, huh? I thought it was a 
dream. I was going to put that on my "worst series list". I do 
have to admit that I would totally rock a sandman sweater right now.

Maybe I'm just in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series 
would be remarkable.

Daryle

On May 10, 2007, at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm completely off, I'm sure, but a TV show based on the Terminator 
> series probably won't be that good. I keep thinking of the "Logan's 
> Run" series...
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The 
> Governator,
> > not so much.
> > The Halcyon Company has announced plans to revive the cyborg- 
> battling
> > movie series with at least three more films, after the production
> > company purchased all rights to the dormant franchise for an
> > undisclosed, though likely eight-figure, sum.
> >
> > But while Halcyon founders Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are 
> looking
> > to begin preproduction on Terminator 4 as soon as possible, they 
> will do
> > so without a leading man. Or man-machine.
> >
> > Plot details for the fourth film have been kept under tight wraps,
> > though are said to pick up with John Connor, heir to the 
> rebellion, in
> > his thirties, leading the remainder of the human race in its
> > ever-worsening battle against the machines. As the film will mark 
> the
> > beginning of a new trilogy, rather than a continuation of the 
> previous
> > three installments, its unlikely that the Terminator himself, Arnold
> > Schwarzenegger, will even take part in the film reinvention, 
> other than
> > perhaps a cameo.
> >
> > Of course, there are other reasons why the Ah-nuld won't be 
> featured on
> > the big screen. He has a bit of a schedule conflict due to 
> matters of a
> > more gubernatorial nature.
> >
> > T4 has already been fast-tracked for production, with Halcyon 
> looking to
> > get the installment in theaters by summer 2009. As it is, 
> Schwarzenegger
> > will be leading the state of California through 2011.
> >
> > While a spokeswoman for the governor asserts that "no law says he
> > couldn't" star in the reimagined flick if he wanted to, the 
> project was
> > nonetheless "not even on his radar."
> >
> > Still, the franchise's new minders aren't worried about extending 
> the
> > brand beyond Arnie.
> > "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that,
> > along with the ain narrative, set the stage for an entirely new 
> set of
> > inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John 
> Connor and
> > the Terminators," producer Moritz Borman said. "This new Terminator
> > trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan 
> base,
> > which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success 
> of T3."
> >
> > In fact, T3, along with T2 and, well, plain old T, have grossed just
> > over $1 billion worldwide since Terminator was first released in 
> 1984.
> >
> > "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and
> > s

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Martin]

The "how" is *easy*, Keith. Just as, back in '05, we briefly had dueling "War 
of the Worlds" movies (Spielberg's version and that British production that I 
did waste my money on via DVD rental), H'Wood likes to play both ends against 
the middle. The question that begs asking is "*Why*"?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  To this day I'm trying to figure out how 
someone got *two* horrible movies about Mars greenlighted (three, if you count 
that laughably bad "Ghosts of Mars" with Pam Grier, and LL Cool J?) I missed 
both the first two at the theatre adn thought I'd actually *missed* something. 
Then I caught them on TV, adn thank goodness I didn't pay for them! They're so 
bad I can't remember which is which, but amazing that actors like Gary Sinese, 
Don Cheadle, and Tim Robbins could be in someting so awfully bad. I think the 
other one of those two you mentioned had Val Kilmer. WAtched it on a cold rainy 
day in January. Only the chocolate chip cookies and the comfort of my wife on 
the coach next to me got me through that one!

For some reason, movies abour Mars have sucked for decades. Ive seen 'em all 
and all have been bad and chintzy. I think "Angry Red Planet" was okay, but is 
it the one with some giant blob creature with one big eye absorbing astronauts 
in its protoplasm?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
>>> will
>>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>>> Without A Country"
>>>
>>> -
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>>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>> Without A Country"
>>
>> -
>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Martin]

I'm cooking a Mars story in my head right now...well, one that spends a little 
time there, anyroad.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  OK 
you guys, you got a point. We obviously have issues with mars and 
the Martian Chronicles was some type of anomaly. I find these Martian 
stories so lacking in imagination - even the big budget ones. 

Tracey


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> To this day I'm trying to figure out how someone got *two* horrible 
> movies about Mars greenlighted (three, if you count that laughably bad 
> "Ghosts of Mars" with Pam Grier, and LL Cool J?) I missed both the 
> first two at the theatre adn thought I'd actually *missed* something. 
> Then I caught them on TV, adn thank goodness I didn't pay for them! 
> They're so bad I can't remember which is which, but amazing that 
> actors like Gary Sinese, Don Cheadle, and Tim Robbins could be in 
> someting so awfully bad. I think the other one of those two you 
> mentioned had Val Kilmer. WAtched it on a cold rainy day in January. 
> Only the chocolate chip cookies and the comfort of my wife on the 
> coach next to me got me through that one!
>
> For some reason, movies abour Mars have sucked for decades. Ive seen 
> 'em all and all have been bad and chintzy. I think "Angry Red Planet" 
> was okay, but is it the one with some giant blob creature with one big 
> eye absorbing astronauts in its protoplasm?
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle > >
> Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's
> have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes
> "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor) wrote:
>
> > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles
> > II. The
> > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
> >
> > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> > colonization
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
> >>
> >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >> > 
> >> > wrote: I was
> >> watching a
> >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
> >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
> >>
> >> Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,
> >>> it's
> >>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
> >>>
> >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > wrote: come on people,
> >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> >>> Please
> >>>
> >>> Tarcey
> >>>
> >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
>  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
> >> lot of
>  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV
>  show
>  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I
>  missed
>  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite
>  several
>  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending
>  open, I
>  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
>  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi
>  mini
>  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my
>  favorites and
>  one I absolute hated
> 
>  Liked a lot
>  The Stand
>  Dune and Children of Dune
>  The Lost Room
>  Lathe of Heaven
> 
>  Hated:
>  Earthsea
> 
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> >>> will
> >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >>> Without A Country"
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
> >> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >> Without A Country"
> >>
> >> -
> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 



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"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Martin]

I'm going to lobotomize myself for saying this afterward, but you all know 
(maybe) that Skiffy is going to premiere an anime block next month (I think 
someone here posted such). May I dare to suggest that we let Skiffy produce- 
no. I'm bad for even *thinking* it. Punish me. Please.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Me 
too, but I do not think anime does well enough in the states for them 
to go there. Too bad.

Tracey

Daryle wrote:
>
> Oh wow. "Logan's Run". You saw that, too, huh? I thought it was a
> dream. I was going to put that on my "worst series list". I do
> have to admit that I would totally rock a sandman sweater right now.
>
> Maybe I'm just in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series
> would be remarkable.
>
> Daryle
>
> On May 10, 2007, at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm completely off, I'm sure, but a TV show based on the Terminator
> > series probably won't be that good. I keep thinking of the "Logan's
> > Run" series...
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > >
> >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > > From: Gabriel, Dexter
> > >
> > >
> > > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The
> > Governator,
> > > not so much.
> > > The Halcyon Company has announced plans to revive the cyborg-
> > battling
> > > movie series with at least three more films, after the production
> > > company purchased all rights to the dormant franchise for an
> > > undisclosed, though likely eight-figure, sum.
> > >
> > > But while Halcyon founders Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are
> > looking
> > > to begin preproduction on Terminator 4 as soon as possible, they
> > will do
> > > so without a leading man. Or man-machine.
> > >
> > > Plot details for the fourth film have been kept under tight wraps,
> > > though are said to pick up with John Connor, heir to the
> > rebellion, in
> > > his thirties, leading the remainder of the human race in its
> > > ever-worsening battle against the machines. As the film will mark
> > the
> > > beginning of a new trilogy, rather than a continuation of the
> > previous
> > > three installments, its unlikely that the Terminator himself, Arnold
> > > Schwarzenegger, will even take part in the film reinvention,
> > other than
> > > perhaps a cameo.
> > >
> > > Of course, there are other reasons why the Ah-nuld won't be
> > featured on
> > > the big screen. He has a bit of a schedule conflict due to
> > matters of a
> > > more gubernatorial nature.
> > >
> > > T4 has already been fast-tracked for production, with Halcyon
> > looking to
> > > get the installment in theaters by summer 2009. As it is,
> > Schwarzenegger
> > > will be leading the state of California through 2011.
> > >
> > > While a spokeswoman for the governor asserts that "no law says he
> > > couldn't" star in the reimagined flick if he wanted to, the
> > project was
> > > nonetheless "not even on his radar."
> > >
> > > Still, the franchise's new minders aren't worried about extending
> > the
> > > brand beyond Arnie.
> > > "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that,
> > > along with the ain narrative, set the stage for an entirely new
> > set of
> > > inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John
> > Connor and
> > > the Terminators," producer Moritz Borman said. "This new Terminator
> > > trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan
> > base,
> > > which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success
> > of T3."
> > >
> > > In fact, T3, along with T2 and, well, plain old T, have grossed just
> > > over $1 billion worldwide since Terminator was first released in
> > 1984.
> > >
> > > "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and
> > > successful franchise not owned by a major studio," Kubicek said.
> > "We see
> > > this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future
> > business plans."
> > >
> > > A very large cornerstone.
> > > In addition to the big-screen cyborg saga, the company snapped up
> > all
> > > future merchandising and licensing rights to the franchise, future
> > > revenue generated by T3: Rise of the Machines and a portion of the
> > > rights to an almost guaranteed TV series based on the films.
> > >
> > > Warned Bros. has already filmed a pilot for The Sarah Connor
> > Chronicles,
> > > an hourlong show based around the Terminator character and mythology
> > > surrounding the movies. According to Variety, Fox has already
> > expressed
> > > interest in the project, and could opt to pick up the series at next
> > > week's upfronts, when the fall prime-time schedules are unveiled.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

[Martin]

Mesa gonna agreea witha ya...

g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Jar Jar Binks is not silly? 
Ewoks are not silly? Lucas needs to shut 
his pie-hole on this topic of silliness.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why
> everyone was freaking out over it. When I watch them now as an
> adult, I find the acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and
> unimaginative...and those are the good ones. There is no way this
> man can believe that the mess he made of the Star Wars franchise is
> less "silly than the Spiderman. Even with the flaws, I think the
> Spiderman franchise is fantastic. I think Lucas is jealous
> 
> Tracey
> 
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it.
> >
> > "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> > wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep
> > considering it's coming from the man that delivered three tepid
> > prequels, Gungans, Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed.
> >
> > I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or Lucas.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > , "Tracey de Morsella 
(formerly Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> > >
> > > While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman
> > > has a few problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one
> > > movie) but I do not think Stars Wars never really delved into
> > > character development like the Spiderman series has done.
> > >
> > > =
> > >
> > > Lucas is currently preparing "Indiana Jones 4" with Harrison
> > > Ford, Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son,
> > > which means his mother was possibly the character Karen Allen
> > > played in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."





 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

"Five Million Years to Earth was on my list of favorite B-Movies.  I 
love that movie!

Tracey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian Chronicles. Or maybe it's 
> because I remember watching the whole thing by myself late night, but 
> I never liked it.
>
> As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the US 
> as "Five Million Years to EArth". Original British title "Quartermass 
> and the Pit", it's well done and scary. The Martians have programmed 
> us from eons ago to respond to their commands when the time comes. 
> Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are depicted as ancient Martians. 
> Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and grittier than you might 
> expect for a scifi flick about little green men. Here's a brief synopsis:
>
> Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)
>
> Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the 
> skeletal remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging 
> reveals what is at first believed to be an unexploded German bomb from 
> World War II. Missile expert Colonel Breen is brought in to 
> investigate, accompanied by Professor Bernard Quartermass. When the 
> interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead locust-like creature that 
> resembles the devil is found. It is determined by Quartermass that 
> these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of our simian 
> ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When Quartermass's 
> suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant evil in humans 
> is confirmed, all hell breaks loose
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's
> have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes
> "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor) wrote:
>
> > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles
> > II. The
> > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
> >
> > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> > colonization
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
> >>
> >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> >> > wrote: I was
> >> watching a
> >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
> >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
> >>
> >> Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,
> >>> it's
> >>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
> >>>
> >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > wrote: come on people,
> >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> >>> Please
> >>>
> >>> Tarcey
> >>>
> >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
>  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
> >> lot of
>  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV
>  show
>  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I
>  missed
>  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite
>  several
>  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending
>  open, I
>  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
>  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi
>  mini
>  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my
>  favorites and
>  one I absolute hated
> 
>  Liked a lot
>  The Stand
>  Dune and Children of Dune
>  The Lost Room
>  Lathe of Heaven
> 
>  Hated:
>  Earthsea
> 
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> >>> will
> >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >>> Without A Country"
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
> >> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >> Without A Country"
> >>
> >> -
> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Au

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

OK you guys, you got a point.  We obviously have issues with mars and 
the Martian Chronicles was some type of anomaly.  I find these Martian 
stories so lacking in imagination - even the big budget ones.  

Tracey


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> To this day I'm trying to figure out how someone got *two* horrible 
> movies about Mars greenlighted (three, if you count that laughably bad 
> "Ghosts of Mars" with Pam Grier, and LL Cool J?) I missed both the 
> first two at the theatre adn thought I'd actually *missed* something. 
> Then I caught them on TV, adn thank goodness I didn't pay for them! 
> They're so bad I can't remember which is which, but amazing that 
> actors like Gary Sinese, Don Cheadle, and Tim Robbins could be in 
> someting so awfully bad. I think the other one of those two you 
> mentioned had Val Kilmer. WAtched it on a cold rainy day in January. 
> Only the chocolate chip cookies and the comfort of my wife on the 
> coach next to me got me through that one!
>
> For some reason, movies abour Mars have sucked for decades. Ive seen 
> 'em all and all have been bad and chintzy. I think "Angry Red Planet" 
> was okay, but is it the one with some giant blob creature with one big 
> eye absorbing astronauts in its protoplasm?
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's
> have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes
> "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor) wrote:
>
> > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles
> > II. The
> > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
> >
> > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> > colonization
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
> >>
> >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> >> > wrote: I was
> >> watching a
> >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
> >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
> >>
> >> Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,
> >>> it's
> >>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
> >>>
> >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > wrote: come on people,
> >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> >>> Please
> >>>
> >>> Tarcey
> >>>
> >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
>  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
> >> lot of
>  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV
>  show
>  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I
>  missed
>  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite
>  several
>  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending
>  open, I
>  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
>  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi
>  mini
>  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my
>  favorites and
>  one I absolute hated
> 
>  Liked a lot
>  The Stand
>  Dune and Children of Dune
>  The Lost Room
>  Lathe of Heaven
> 
>  Hated:
>  Earthsea
> 
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> >>> will
> >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >>> Without A Country"
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
> >> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >> Without A Country"
> >>
> >> -
> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

[Martin]

Yeah, if your average indie filmmaker has Daddy's multi-millions to fall back 
on...

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
The appeal of Lucas is simple. He represents the "independent 
filmmaker" who makes it really, really big with a geeky idea that 
most 8 year old males have. Down to the music. You give your 
average kid a camera, a pen, a pad, and an unlimited budget, and 
you will get one of two things: either a Wes Craven picture with 
lots of topless girls screaming and an insanely hideous and 
unemotional monster as the central characters...or "Star Wars". Most 
people think Star Wars IS science fiction, and why? Because he 
jacked every beat from every old school sci-fi Saturday serial from 
the Golden Age. Just like his boy, Steven Spielberg, jacked every 
action movie cliche and turned THAT into a career. Of course THIS 
list isn't impressed, we've read Asimov and Octavia Butler. Most 
people have not. And in a world where we need all our media pre- 
digested for us, Lucas is the best. Because of Star Wars, you can 
introduce kids to samurai stories, have a frame of reference for 
Tolkien on screen, and get 10 year olds into watching westerns. 
That's why Lucas is important.

He's not ALL you need, because while some people went to American TV 
and got into ever Star Wars effects-driven knockoff on, (Yes, the 
orignal Galactica series) a lot of us got into larger stories with 
more detail in comics, and anime. So you'll notice that Lucas has 
nothing to say about "Transformers", because he dares not. For as 
wack as this upcoming movie may be, the Transformers mythology blows 
his "planets with one weather system and no apparent defense besides 
zip guns held in terror by a Soviet-like government structure for no 
apparent reason" foundation AWAY.

All this being said, Lucas has REALLY put his foot in it with this 
one. He's turning into Francis more and more every year.

On May 11, 2007, at 4:20 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why 
> everyone
> was freaking out over it. When I watch them now as an adult, I 
> find the
> acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and unimaginative...and 
> those are
> the good ones. There is no way this man can believe that the mess he
> made of the Star Wars franchise is less "silly than the Spiderman .
> Even with the flaws, I think the Spiderman franchise is 
> fantastic. I
> think Lucas is jealous
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it.
>>
>> "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>> wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep 
>> considering it's
>> coming from the man that delivered three tepid prequels, Gungans,
>> Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed.
>>
>> I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or Lucas.
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> , "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
>> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman has a
>> few
>>> problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one movie) but I
>> do not
>>> think Stars Wars never really delved into character development
>> like
>>> the Spiderman series has done.
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Lucas is currently preparing "Indiana Jones 4" with Harrison Ford,
>>> Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son, which
>> means his
>>> mother was possibly the character Karen Allen played in "Raiders of
>> the
>>> Lost Ark."
>>>
>>> "I can't say," Lucas said when I brought up Allen.
>>>
>>> Lucas says that Sean Connery still hasn't signed on, but his
>> character,
>>> Indy's dad, is in the script. Other than that, his lips are sealed.
>>>
>>> "Steven thinks we can keep the whole thing a secret," Lucas told
>> me. "I
>>> explained to him that it's impossible nowadays. We can't live like
>> that."
>>>
>>> So then, tell me more about "Indy 4," I suggested.
>>>
>>> "Oh no," replied Lucas with a smile.
>>>
>>> Lucas told me he has seen all the summer movies since his company,
>>> Industrial Light and Magic, does most of the special effects. The
>> only
>>> one they didn't work on was "Spider-Man 3." What did he think of it?
>>>
>>> "It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much
>> there.
>>> Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?"
>>>
>>> Well, it's not "Star Wars."
>>>
>>> "People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a
>> wink. "But
>>> it wasn't."
>>>
>>> Lucas, by the way, says he is readying "Clone Wars," an animated
>> series
>>> for TV that's derived from "Star Wars." Many "Star Wars" characters
>>> appear in "Clone Wars," but voiced by other actors.
>>>
>>> And here's a little news: Lucas tells me he will make two more
>>> live-action films based in the "Star Wars" era.
>>>
>>> "But they won't have members of the Skywalker family as
>> characters," he

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Me too, but I do not think anime does well enough in the states for them 
to go there.  Too bad.

Tracey

Daryle wrote:
>
> Oh wow. "Logan's Run". You saw that, too, huh? I thought it was a
> dream. I was going to put that on my "worst series list". I do
> have to admit that I would totally rock a sandman sweater right now.
>
> Maybe I'm just in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series
> would be remarkable.
>
> Daryle
>
> On May 10, 2007, at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  wrote:
>
> > I'm completely off, I'm sure, but a TV show based on the Terminator
> > series probably won't be that good. I keep thinking of the "Logan's
> > Run" series...
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > > From: Gabriel, Dexter
> > >
> > >
> > > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The
> > Governator,
> > > not so much.
> > > The Halcyon Company has announced plans to revive the cyborg-
> > battling
> > > movie series with at least three more films, after the production
> > > company purchased all rights to the dormant franchise for an
> > > undisclosed, though likely eight-figure, sum.
> > >
> > > But while Halcyon founders Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are
> > looking
> > > to begin preproduction on Terminator 4 as soon as possible, they
> > will do
> > > so without a leading man. Or man-machine.
> > >
> > > Plot details for the fourth film have been kept under tight wraps,
> > > though are said to pick up with John Connor, heir to the
> > rebellion, in
> > > his thirties, leading the remainder of the human race in its
> > > ever-worsening battle against the machines. As the film will mark
> > the
> > > beginning of a new trilogy, rather than a continuation of the
> > previous
> > > three installments, its unlikely that the Terminator himself, Arnold
> > > Schwarzenegger, will even take part in the film reinvention,
> > other than
> > > perhaps a cameo.
> > >
> > > Of course, there are other reasons why the Ah-nuld won't be
> > featured on
> > > the big screen. He has a bit of a schedule conflict due to
> > matters of a
> > > more gubernatorial nature.
> > >
> > > T4 has already been fast-tracked for production, with Halcyon
> > looking to
> > > get the installment in theaters by summer 2009. As it is,
> > Schwarzenegger
> > > will be leading the state of California through 2011.
> > >
> > > While a spokeswoman for the governor asserts that "no law says he
> > > couldn't" star in the reimagined flick if he wanted to, the
> > project was
> > > nonetheless "not even on his radar."
> > >
> > > Still, the franchise's new minders aren't worried about extending
> > the
> > > brand beyond Arnie.
> > > "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that,
> > > along with the ain narrative, set the stage for an entirely new
> > set of
> > > inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John
> > Connor and
> > > the Terminators," producer Moritz Borman said. "This new Terminator
> > > trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan
> > base,
> > > which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success
> > of T3."
> > >
> > > In fact, T3, along with T2 and, well, plain old T, have grossed just
> > > over $1 billion worldwide since Terminator was first released in
> > 1984.
> > >
> > > "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and
> > > successful franchise not owned by a major studio," Kubicek said.
> > "We see
> > > this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future
> > business plans."
> > >
> > > A very large cornerstone.
> > > In addition to the big-screen cyborg saga, the company snapped up
> > all
> > > future merchandising and licensing rights to the franchise, future
> > > revenue generated by T3: Rise of the Machines and a portion of the
> > > rights to an almost guaranteed TV series based on the films.
> > >
> > > Warned Bros. has already filmed a pilot for The Sarah Connor
> > Chronicles,
> > > an hourlong show based around the Terminator character and mythology
> > > surrounding the movies. According to Variety, Fox has already
> > expressed
> > > interest in the project, and could opt to pick up the series at next
> > > week's upfronts, when the fall prime-time schedules are unveiled.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > The information contained in this message is intended only for the
> > > recipient, and may be a confidential attorney-client
> > communication or
> > > may otherwise be privileged and confidential and protected from
> > > disclosure. If the reade

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[GWashin891]

In a message dated 5/11/07 11:15:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Maybe I'm just  in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series 
> would be remarkable.
> 

We already have a good terminator-like anime series.   Infact two of them 
Ghost in the Shell and Appleseed (thou the later were movies)

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Re: [scifinoir2] 'Star Trek' actor's ashes lost after space trip

[Martin]

So do I, pal.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  "Captain I canna give ya 
phasers...I'm a wee bit lost..." I really feel bad for his family...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, DAMN. Scotty wouldn't have f*cked it up 
like this...

Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20070510/sc_space/crematedremainsof200lostinmountainsaftertriptospace

Cremated Remains of 200 Lost in Mountains After Trip to Space

Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com

The search for the UP Aerospace payload of experiments and the cremated
remains of some 200 people - including "Scotty" of Star Trek fame, as well
as pioneeering NASA Mercury astronaut, Gordon Cooper - continues within
rugged New Mexico mountain landscape.

After a successful blastoff from New Mexico's Spaceport America on April
28th, the UP Aerospace SpaceLoft XL rocket and its payload nosed into
space on a suborbital trajectory. As part of launch operations, the rocket
was tracked by specialists at the neighboring White Sands Missile Range.

While all went well with the flight, the rocket components parachuted into
rough and tumble terrain. Repeated searches within the landing zone have
come up empty.

Jerry Larson, President of UP Aerospace, has told me that the general
location of the rocket hardware is known within some 1,300 feet (400
meters) or so. But given the dense vegetation on the side of the mountain
being searched, along with equipment available to the search team,
pinpointing the exact locale has proven a tough assignment.

Yet another trip up on the mountain is slated next week, Larson said.

Joining the search this time is the manufacturer of the transmitters
onboard the rocket gear. He'll be bringing high-end tracking gear and
years of expertise in locating objects in mountain terrain environments.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Fw: World Science: The galaxy next door -- our destined home?

[Martin]

I was trying to find this story about the collision between M31 and the Milky 
Way, because the story Keith posted about the supernova reminded me about it. 
Thanks for it, Amy!

Amy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
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Cool science stuff!

* The galaxy next door -- our destined home?:
New simulations predict what could happen when our
galaxy, as expected, runs into a neighboring one.

http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/070510_galactic-collision.htm

* Mutation may contribute to human uniqueness:
Scientists have identified a gene that they say
could help account for our distinctive cognitive
abilities.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070508_neuropsin.htm

* First map of planet outside our system:
Astronomers plan someday to map continents and
oceans on distant planets.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070509_extrasolar-map.htm

* Herod's tomb reported found:
Herod is said in the Bible to have ordered a
slaughter of babies in order to be rid of the
newborn Jesus.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Martin]

IX-NAY on the IDEAS-AY...

g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I'll bet that one of these 
future films will be a WWF Smackdown 
featuring T3 and T2 vs. Alien and Predator.

More silliness and a waste of $$$ indeed... enough with the prequels, 
already!

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (applause)
> 
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: Someone forward this to George Lucas, with the following
> note:
> 
> G:
> THIS, my friend, is silly.
> sincerely,
> the people who actually PAY to see movies.
> 
> How about we stop with the prequels and finish telling a story. The 
> comic book movies are the only ones moving FORWARD.
> 
> On May 10, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
> Minor) wrote:
> 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The
> > Governator, not so much. The Halcyon Company has announced plans
> > to revive the cyborg-battling movie series with at least three
> > more films, after the production company purchased all rights to
> > the dormant franchise for an undisclosed, though likely
> > eight-figure, sum.





 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[KeithBJohnson]

To this day I'm trying to figure out how someone got *two* horrible movies 
about Mars greenlighted (three, if you count that laughably bad "Ghosts of 
Mars" with Pam Grier, and LL Cool J?) I missed both the first two at the 
theatre adn thought I'd actually *missed* something. Then I caught them on TV, 
adn thank goodness I didn't pay for them! They're so bad I can't remember which 
is which, but amazing that actors like Gary Sinese, Don Cheadle, and Tim 
Robbins could be in someting so awfully bad. I think the other one of those two 
you mentioned had Val Kilmer. WAtched it on a cold rainy day in January. Only 
the chocolate chip cookies and the comfort of my wife on the coach next to me 
got me through that one!

For some reason, movies abour Mars have sucked for decades. Ive seen 'em all 
and all have been bad and chintzy. I think "Angry Red Planet" was okay, but is 
it the one with some giant blob creature with one big eye absorbing astronauts 
in its protoplasm?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
>>> will
>>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>>> Without A Country"
>>>
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>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
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>> Without A Country"
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Martin]

No, I saw them both. Kinda enjoyed them both as well. Maybe it was just me. I 
*am* certifiable, after all.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Am I the only one who saw "Mission 
To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
>>> will
>>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>>> Without A Country"
>>>
>>> -
>>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>> Without A Country"
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Martin]

(screaming at mere mention of V-word...)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  yeah, I watched the "Logan's Run" series. It 
was pretty awful. Nohting's worse than having people in futuristic garb run 
around desert California settings encountering primitive folks all the day. The 
only show I remember halfway liking was the one where a guy went back in time 
to the 20th century to see what caused the great war. Or maybe he actually went 
*forward* in time from the 20th Century to Logan's time and wondered what 
happened in the ensuing years to cause a war. Turns out that his trip did, as 
all the nations freaked over someone having from America having the ability to 
time travel, and went tto war over it. Other than that, the series sucked. Like 
I said previously, I don't know if there's anyone who can beat me for watching 
bad scifi just to get a fix. Maybe Tracey. Martin. Astro... But then, I bet 
none of *them* are currently watching every single re-run of "Voyager" on 
SpikeTV!

A Terminator animated series down well would rock! I just cant' see a live 
action one not getting kitchsy or boring. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Oh wow. "Logan's Run". You saw that, too, huh? I thought it was a 
dream. I was going to put that on my "worst series list". I do 
have to admit that I would totally rock a sandman sweater right now.

Maybe I'm just in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series 
would be remarkable.

Daryle

On May 10, 2007, at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm completely off, I'm sure, but a TV show based on the Terminator 
> series probably won't be that good. I keep thinking of the "Logan's 
> Run" series...
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The 
> Governator,
> > not so much.
> > The Halcyon Company has announced plans to revive the cyborg- 
> battling
> > movie series with at least three more films, after the production
> > company purchased all rights to the dormant franchise for an
> > undisclosed, though likely eight-figure, sum.
> >
> > But while Halcyon founders Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are 
> looking
> > to begin preproduction on Terminator 4 as soon as possible, they 
> will do
> > so without a leading man. Or man-machine.
> >
> > Plot details for the fourth film have been kept under tight wraps,
> > though are said to pick up with John Connor, heir to the 
> rebellion, in
> > his thirties, leading the remainder of the human race in its
> > ever-worsening battle against the machines. As the film will mark 
> the
> > beginning of a new trilogy, rather than a continuation of the 
> previous
> > three installments, its unlikely that the Terminator himself, Arnold
> > Schwarzenegger, will even take part in the film reinvention, 
> other than
> > perhaps a cameo.
> >
> > Of course, there are other reasons why the Ah-nuld won't be 
> featured on
> > the big screen. He has a bit of a schedule conflict due to 
> matters of a
> > more gubernatorial nature.
> >
> > T4 has already been fast-tracked for production, with Halcyon 
> looking to
> > get the installment in theaters by summer 2009. As it is, 
> Schwarzenegger
> > will be leading the state of California through 2011.
> >
> > While a spokeswoman for the governor asserts that "no law says he
> > couldn't" star in the reimagined flick if he wanted to, the 
> project was
> > nonetheless "not even on his radar."
> >
> > Still, the franchise's new minders aren't worried about extending 
> the
> > brand beyond Arnie.
> > "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that,
> > along with the ain narrative, set the stage for an entirely new 
> set of
> > inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John 
> Connor and
> > the Terminators," producer Moritz Borman said. "This new Terminator
> > trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan 
> base,
> > which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success 
> of T3."
> >
> > In fact, T3, along with T2 and, well, plain old T, have grossed just
> > over $1 billion worldwide since Terminator was first released in 
> 1984.
> >
> > "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and
> > successful franchise not owned by a major studio," Kubicek said. 
> "We see
> > this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future 
> business plans."
> >
> > A very large cornerstone.
> > In addition to the big-screen cyborg saga, the company snapped up 
> all
> > future merchandising and licensing rights to the franchise, future
> > revenue generated by T3: Rise of the Ma

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Martin]

You've named a classic, my friend.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian 
Chronicles. Or maybe it's because I remember watching the whole thing by myself 
late night, but I never liked it.

As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the US as "Five 
Million Years to EArth". Original British title "Quartermass and the Pit", it's 
well done and scary. The Martians have programmed us from eons ago to respond 
to their commands when the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are 
depicted as ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and 
grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green men. Here's 
a brief synopsis:

Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)

Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the skeletal 
remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging reveals what is at 
first believed to be an unexploded German bomb from World War II. Missile 
expert Colonel Breen is brought in to investigate, accompanied by Professor 
Bernard Quartermass. When the interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead 
locust-like creature that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by 
Quartermass that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of 
our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When Quartermass's 
suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant evil in humans is 
confirmed, all hell breaks loose

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
>>> will
>>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>>> Without A Country"
>>>
>>> -
>>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>> Without A Country"
>>
>> -
>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   
---

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Martin]

Sounds familiar, but encroaching old age prevents full recall...

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I've never seen this, I will look 
for it. While we're on British, we 
haven't discussed Max Headroom. Has anyone seen "20 minutes into the 
future"?

On May 11, 2007, at 12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian Chronicles. Or maybe 
> it's because I remember watching the whole thing by myself late 
> night, but I never liked it.
>
> As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the 
> US as "Five Million Years to EArth". Original British title 
> "Quartermass and the Pit", it's well done and scary. The Martians 
> have programmed us from eons ago to respond to their commands when 
> the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are depicted as 
> ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and 
> grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green 
> men. Here's a brief synopsis:
>
> Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)
>
> Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the 
> skeletal remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging 
> reveals what is at first believed to be an unexploded German bomb 
> from World War II. Missile expert Colonel Breen is brought in to 
> investigate, accompanied by Professor Bernard Quartermass. When the 
> interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead locust-like creature 
> that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by Quartermass 
> that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of 
> our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When 
> Quartermass's suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant 
> evil in humans is confirmed, all hell breaks loose
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's
> have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes
> "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor) wrote:
>
> > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles
> > II. The
> > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
> >
> > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads 
> this.
> > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all 
> the
> > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> > colonization
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
> >>
> >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > wrote: I was
> >> watching a
> >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles 
> with
> >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
> >>
> >> Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,
> >>> it's
> >>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
> >>>
> >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > wrote: come on people,
> >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> >>> Please
> >>>
> >>> Tarcey
> >>>
> >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
>  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
> >> lot of
>  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV
>  show
>  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I
>  missed
>  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite
>  several
>  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending
>  open, I
>  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
>  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi
>  mini
>  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my
>  favorites and
>  one I absolute hated
> 
>  Liked a lot
>  The Stand
>  Dune and Children of Dune
>  The Lost Room
>  Lathe of Heaven
> 
>  Hated:
>  Earthsea
> 
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> >>> will
> >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A 
> Man
> >>> Without A Country"
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
> will
> >> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >> Without A Country"
> >>
> >> ---

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Daryle]

I've never seen this, I will look for it. While we're on British,  we  
haven't discussed Max Headroom. Has anyone seen "20 minutes into the  
future"?

On May 11, 2007, at 12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian Chronicles. Or maybe  
> it's because I remember watching the whole thing by myself late  
> night, but I never liked it.
>
> As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the  
> US as "Five Million Years to EArth". Original British title  
> "Quartermass and the Pit", it's well done and scary. The Martians  
> have programmed us from eons ago to respond to their commands when  
> the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are depicted as  
> ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and  
> grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green  
> men. Here's a brief synopsis:
>
> Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)
>
> Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the  
> skeletal remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging  
> reveals what is at first believed to be an unexploded German bomb  
> from World War II. Missile expert Colonel Breen is brought in to  
> investigate, accompanied by Professor Bernard Quartermass. When the  
> interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead locust-like creature  
> that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by Quartermass  
> that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of  
> our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When  
> Quartermass's suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant  
> evil in humans is confirmed, all hell breaks loose
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's
> have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes
> "Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor) wrote:
>
> > True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles
> > II. The
> > Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> > Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
> >
> > just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads  
> this.
> > However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all  
> the
> > new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> > colonization
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
> >>
> >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > wrote: I was
> >> watching a
> >> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> >> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles  
> with
> >> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
> >>
> >> Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,
> >>> it's
> >>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
> >>>
> >>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > wrote: come on people,
> >>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> >>> Please
> >>>
> >>> Tarcey
> >>>
> >>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
>  as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
> >> lot of
>  the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV
>  show
>  either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I
>  missed
>  in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite
>  several
>  plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending
>  open, I
>  hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
>  pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi
>  mini
>  series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my
>  favorites and
>  one I absolute hated
> 
>  Liked a lot
>  The Stand
>  Dune and Children of Dune
>  The Lost Room
>  Lathe of Heaven
> 
>  Hated:
>  Earthsea
> 
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> >>> will
> >>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A  
> Man
> >>> Without A Country"
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels  
> will
> >> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
> >> Without A Country"
> >>
> >> -
> >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[KeithBJohnson]

Maybe i was too young when I saw The Martian Chronicles. Or maybe it's because 
I remember watching the whole thing by myself late night, but I never liked it.

As for movies about Mars, the best Ive ever seen was shown in the US as "Five 
Million Years to EArth". Original British title "Quartermass and the Pit", it's 
well done and scary. The Martians have programmed us from eons ago to respond 
to their commands when the time comes. Creepy looking grasshopper thingies are 
depicted as ancient Martians. Being a British flick, it's a lot grimmer and 
grittier than you might expect for a scifi flick about little green men. Here's 
a brief synopsis:

Five Million Years to Earth (Quatermass and the Pit)

Workers excavating at an underground station in London uncover the skeletal 
remains of ancient apes with large skulls. Further digging reveals what is at 
first believed to be an unexploded German bomb from World War II. Missile 
expert Colonel Breen is brought in to investigate, accompanied by Professor 
Bernard Quartermass. When the interior of the "missile" is exposed, a dead 
locust-like creature that resembles the devil is found. It is determined by 
Quartermass that these "locusts" are evil Martians who altered the brains of 
our simian ancestors to eventually lay claim to the Earth. When Quartermass's 
suspicion that the missile can reactivate the dormant evil in humans is 
confirmed, all hell breaks loose

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Am I the only one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's 
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes 
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars" look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

> True. Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles 
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk) hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was 
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, 
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV 
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I 
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite 
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending 
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi 
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my 
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
>>> will
>>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>>> Without A Country"
>>>
>>> -
>>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>> Without A Country"
>>
>> -
>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[KeithBJohnson]

yeah, I watched the "Logan's Run" series. It was pretty awful. Nohting's worse 
than having people in futuristic garb run around desert California settings 
encountering primitive folks all the day. The only show I remember halfway 
liking was the one where a guy went back in time to the 20th century  to see 
what caused the great war. Or maybe he actually went *forward* in time from the 
20th Century to Logan's time and wondered what happened in the ensuing years to 
cause a war. Turns out that his trip did, as all the nations freaked over 
someone having from America having the ability to time travel, and went tto war 
over it.  Other than that, the series sucked.   Like I said previously, I don't 
know if there's anyone who can beat me for watching bad scifi just to get a 
fix. Maybe Tracey.  Martin. Astro... But then, I bet none of *them* are 
currently watching every single re-run of "Voyager" on SpikeTV!

A Terminator animated series down well would rock! I just cant' see a live 
action one not getting kitchsy or boring. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Oh wow. "Logan's Run". You saw that, too, huh? I thought it was a 
dream. I was going to put that on my "worst series list". I do 
have to admit that I would totally rock a sandman sweater right now.

Maybe I'm just in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series 
would be remarkable.

Daryle

On May 10, 2007, at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm completely off, I'm sure, but a TV show based on the Terminator 
> series probably won't be that good. I keep thinking of the "Logan's 
> Run" series...
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The 
> Governator,
> > not so much.
> > The Halcyon Company has announced plans to revive the cyborg- 
> battling
> > movie series with at least three more films, after the production
> > company purchased all rights to the dormant franchise for an
> > undisclosed, though likely eight-figure, sum.
> >
> > But while Halcyon founders Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are 
> looking
> > to begin preproduction on Terminator 4 as soon as possible, they 
> will do
> > so without a leading man. Or man-machine.
> >
> > Plot details for the fourth film have been kept under tight wraps,
> > though are said to pick up with John Connor, heir to the 
> rebellion, in
> > his thirties, leading the remainder of the human race in its
> > ever-worsening battle against the machines. As the film will mark 
> the
> > beginning of a new trilogy, rather than a continuation of the 
> previous
> > three installments, its unlikely that the Terminator himself, Arnold
> > Schwarzenegger, will even take part in the film reinvention, 
> other than
> > perhaps a cameo.
> >
> > Of course, there are other reasons why the Ah-nuld won't be 
> featured on
> > the big screen. He has a bit of a schedule conflict due to 
> matters of a
> > more gubernatorial nature.
> >
> > T4 has already been fast-tracked for production, with Halcyon 
> looking to
> > get the installment in theaters by summer 2009. As it is, 
> Schwarzenegger
> > will be leading the state of California through 2011.
> >
> > While a spokeswoman for the governor asserts that "no law says he
> > couldn't" star in the reimagined flick if he wanted to, the 
> project was
> > nonetheless "not even on his radar."
> >
> > Still, the franchise's new minders aren't worried about extending 
> the
> > brand beyond Arnie.
> > "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that,
> > along with the ain narrative, set the stage for an entirely new 
> set of
> > inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John 
> Connor and
> > the Terminators," producer Moritz Borman said. "This new Terminator
> > trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan 
> base,
> > which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success 
> of T3."
> >
> > In fact, T3, along with T2 and, well, plain old T, have grossed just
> > over $1 billion worldwide since Terminator was first released in 
> 1984.
> >
> > "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and
> > successful franchise not owned by a major studio," Kubicek said. 
> "We see
> > this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future 
> business plans."
> >
> > A very large cornerstone.
> > In addition to the big-screen cyborg saga, the company snapped up 
> all
> > future merchandising and licensing rights to the franchise, future
> > revenue generated by T3: Rise of the Machines and a portion of the
> > rights to an almost guaranteed TV series

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

[Daryle]

The appeal of Lucas is simple.  He represents the "independent  
filmmaker" who makes it really, really big with a geeky idea that   
most  8 year  old males have. Down to the music. You  give your  
average kid a camera,  a pen,  a pad, and an unlimited budget, and  
you  will get  one of two things: either a Wes Craven picture with  
lots of  topless girls screaming and an insanely hideous and  
unemotional monster as the central  characters...or "Star Wars". Most  
people think Star Wars IS science fiction, and why?  Because he  
jacked every beat from every old school sci-fi Saturday serial  from  
the Golden Age. Just  like his boy, Steven Spielberg,  jacked every  
action movie cliche and turned THAT  into a career. Of course THIS  
list isn't impressed, we've read Asimov and Octavia Butler. Most  
people have not.  And in a world where we need all  our media pre- 
digested for us,  Lucas is the best. Because of Star Wars, you can  
introduce kids to samurai stories, have a frame of reference for  
Tolkien on screen, and get  10  year olds into  watching westerns.  
That's why Lucas is important.

He's not ALL you  need, because while some people went to American TV  
and got into  ever  Star Wars effects-driven knockoff on, (Yes, the  
orignal Galactica series) a lot of us got into larger stories with  
more detail in comics,  and anime. So you'll  notice that  Lucas has  
nothing to  say about "Transformers", because he dares not.  For as  
wack as this upcoming movie may be,  the Transformers mythology blows  
his "planets with one weather system and no apparent  defense besides  
zip guns held in terror by a Soviet-like government structure for no  
apparent  reason" foundation AWAY.

All this being  said,  Lucas has REALLY put his foot in it with this  
one. He's turning into Francis more and more every year.


On May 11, 2007, at 4:20 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.  
Minor) wrote:

> I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why  
> everyone
> was freaking out over it.  When I watch them now as an adult, I  
> find the
> acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and unimaginative...and  
> those are
> the good ones.  There is no way this man can believe that the mess he
> made of the Star Wars franchise is less "silly than the Spiderman .
> Even with the flaws, I think the Spiderman franchise is  
> fantastic.I
> think Lucas is jealous
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it.
>>
>> "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>> wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep  
>> considering it's
>> coming from the man that delivered three tepid prequels, Gungans,
>> Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed.
>>
>> I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or Lucas.
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> , "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
>> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman has a
>> few
>>> problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one movie) but I
>> do not
>>> think Stars Wars never really delved into character development
>> like
>>> the Spiderman series has done.
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Lucas is currently preparing "Indiana Jones 4" with Harrison Ford,
>>> Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son, which
>> means his
>>> mother was possibly the character Karen Allen played in "Raiders of
>> the
>>> Lost Ark."
>>>
>>> "I can't say," Lucas said when I brought up Allen.
>>>
>>> Lucas says that Sean Connery still hasn't signed on, but his
>> character,
>>> Indy's dad, is in the script. Other than that, his lips are sealed.
>>>
>>> "Steven thinks we can keep the whole thing a secret," Lucas told
>> me. "I
>>> explained to him that it's impossible nowadays. We can't live like
>> that."
>>>
>>> So then, tell me more about "Indy 4," I suggested.
>>>
>>> "Oh no," replied Lucas with a smile.
>>>
>>> Lucas told me he has seen all the summer movies since his company,
>>> Industrial Light and Magic, does most of the special effects. The
>> only
>>> one they didn't work on was "Spider-Man 3." What did he think of it?
>>>
>>> "It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much
>> there.
>>> Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?"
>>>
>>> Well, it's not "Star Wars."
>>>
>>> "People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a
>> wink. "But
>>> it wasn't."
>>>
>>> Lucas, by the way, says he is readying "Clone Wars," an animated
>> series
>>> for TV that's derived from "Star Wars." Many "Star Wars" characters
>>> appear in "Clone Wars," but voiced by other actors.
>>>
>>> And here's a little news: Lucas tells me he will make two more
>>> live-action films based in the "Star Wars" era.
>>>
>>> "But they won't have members of the Skywalker family as
>> characters," he
>>> said. "They will be other people of that milieu."
>>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Daryle]

Am I the only  one who saw "Mission To Mars" and "Red Planet"? Let's  
have Hollywood leave Mars alone, shall we? Every attempt makes  
"Abbott & Costello Go To Mars"  look like "2001".

On May 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.  
Minor) wrote:

> True.  Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles  
> II. The
> Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian
> Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!
>
> just kidding.. (smirk)  hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.
> However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the
> new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for
> colonization
>
> Tracey
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote: I was  
>> watching a
>> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
>> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
>> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence,  
>>> it's
>>> an immediate ban...sneaky...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: come on people,
>>> share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
>>> Please
>>>
>>> Tarcey
>>>
>>> Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
 as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a
>> lot of
 the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV  
 show
 either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I  
 missed
 in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite  
 several
 plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending  
 open, I
 hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
 pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi  
 mini
 series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my  
 favorites and
 one I absolute hated

 Liked a lot
 The Stand
 Dune and Children of Dune
 The Lost Room
 Lathe of Heaven

 Hated:
 Earthsea

>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels  
>>> will
>>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>>> Without A Country"
>>>
>>> -
>>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
>> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
>> Without A Country"
>>
>> -
>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
>> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[g123curious]

I'll bet that one of these future films will be a WWF Smackdown 
featuring T3 and T2 vs. Alien and Predator.

More silliness and a waste of $$$ indeed... enough with the prequels, 
already!

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (applause)
> 
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: Someone forward this to George Lucas, with the following
> note:
> 
> G:
> THIS, my friend, is silly.
> sincerely,
> the people who actually PAY to see movies.
> 
> How about we stop with the prequels and finish telling a story. The 
> comic book movies are the only ones moving FORWARD.
> 
> On May 10, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
> Minor) wrote:
> 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The
> > Governator, not so much. The Halcyon Company has announced plans
> > to revive the cyborg-battling movie series with at least three
> > more films, after the production company purchased all rights to
> > the dormant franchise for an undisclosed, though likely
> > eight-figure, sum.

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold]

[Daryle]

Oh wow. "Logan's Run". You saw that, too, huh? I thought  it  was a  
dream. I was going to  put that  on my  "worst series list". I do   
have to admit that I would totally  rock  a sandman sweater right  now.

Maybe I'm just  in a mood, but I think a Terminator ANIME series  
would be remarkable.

Daryle

On May 10, 2007, at 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm completely off, I'm sure, but a TV show based on the Terminator  
> series probably won't be that good. I keep thinking of the "Logan's  
> Run" series...
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:30 -0400
> > From: Gabriel, Dexter
> >
> >
> > *Terminator Will Be Back, Without Arnold *
> > by Gina SerpeThu May 10, 5:44 AM ET
> > The Terminator is making good on its coming-back word. The  
> Governator,
> > not so much.
> > The Halcyon Company has announced plans to revive the cyborg- 
> battling
> > movie series with at least three more films, after the production
> > company purchased all rights to the dormant franchise for an
> > undisclosed, though likely eight-figure, sum.
> >
> > But while Halcyon founders Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson are  
> looking
> > to begin preproduction on Terminator 4 as soon as possible, they  
> will do
> > so without a leading man. Or man-machine.
> >
> > Plot details for the fourth film have been kept under tight wraps,
> > though are said to pick up with John Connor, heir to the  
> rebellion, in
> > his thirties, leading the remainder of the human race in its
> > ever-worsening battle against the machines. As the film will mark  
> the
> > beginning of a new trilogy, rather than a continuation of the  
> previous
> > three installments, its unlikely that the Terminator himself, Arnold
> > Schwarzenegger, will even take part in the film reinvention,  
> other than
> > perhaps a cameo.
> >
> > Of course, there are other reasons why the Ah-nuld won't be  
> featured on
> > the big screen. He has a bit of a schedule conflict due to  
> matters of a
> > more gubernatorial nature.
> >
> > T4 has already been fast-tracked for production, with Halcyon  
> looking to
> > get the installment in theaters by summer 2009. As it is,  
> Schwarzenegger
> > will be leading the state of California through 2011.
> >
> > While a spokeswoman for the governor asserts that "no law says he
> > couldn't" star in the reimagined flick if he wanted to, the  
> project was
> > nonetheless "not even on his radar."
> >
> > Still, the franchise's new minders aren't worried about extending  
> the
> > brand beyond Arnie.
> > "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that,
> > along with the ain narrative, set the stage for an entirely new  
> set of
> > inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John  
> Connor and
> > the Terminators," producer Moritz Borman said. "This new Terminator
> > trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan  
> base,
> > which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success  
> of T3."
> >
> > In fact, T3, along with T2 and, well, plain old T, have grossed just
> > over $1 billion worldwide since Terminator was first released in  
> 1984.
> >
> > "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and
> > successful franchise not owned by a major studio," Kubicek said.  
> "We see
> > this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future  
> business plans."
> >
> > A very large cornerstone.
> > In addition to the big-screen cyborg saga, the company snapped up  
> all
> > future merchandising and licensing rights to the franchise, future
> > revenue generated by T3: Rise of the Machines and a portion of the
> > rights to an almost guaranteed TV series based on the films.
> >
> > Warned Bros. has already filmed a pilot for The Sarah Connor  
> Chronicles,
> > an hourlong show based around the Terminator character and mythology
> > surrounding the movies. According to Variety, Fox has already  
> expressed
> > interest in the project, and could opt to pick up the series at next
> > week's upfronts, when the fall prime-time schedules are unveiled.
> >
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[scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

[g123curious]

Jar Jar Binks is not silly? Ewoks are not silly? Lucas needs to shut 
his pie-hole on this topic of silliness.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why
> everyone was freaking out over it.  When I watch them now as an
> adult, I find the acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and
> unimaginative...and those are the good ones. There is no way this
> man can believe that the mess he made of the Star Wars franchise is
> less "silly than the Spiderman.  Even with the flaws, I think the
> Spiderman franchise is fantastic. I think Lucas is jealous
> 
> Tracey
> 
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it.
> >
> > "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> > wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep
> > considering it's coming from the man that delivered three tepid
> > prequels, Gungans, Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed.
> >
> > I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or Lucas.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > , "Tracey de Morsella 
(formerly Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> > >
> > > While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman
> > > has a few problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one
> > > movie) but I do not think Stars Wars never really delved into
> > > character development like the Spiderman series has done.
> > >
> > > =
> > >
> > > Lucas is currently preparing "Indiana Jones 4" with Harrison
> > > Ford, Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son,
> > > which means his mother was possibly the character Karen Allen
> > > played in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

Re: [scifinoir2] Star marriage sparks the great Bollywood divide

[KeithBJohnson]

same here. Actors are more fodder for American gossip than true icons or 
symbols of morality and behaviour. And our industry is so focused on action and 
fX-heavy fims, I honestly don't think as many people here are loyal to 
particular actor as people are in India. For example, I've heard several people 
argue that either Jake Gyllenhaal or Topher Grace would have done just as well 
as Tobey Maguire in "Spider-Man". 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Actually, I think it does or did happen in Hollywood on a smaller 
> scale. For instance,there was an Oscar feud between Joan Fontaine and 
> her sister Olivia d' Haviland, so they refused to work together..I've 
> heard other stories where casting was affected by the whims of a star... 
> but again, never on the lever listed below. 
> 
> Tracey 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > 
> > Interesting. I've heard of the rivalries here in America when studio 
> > heads in Hollywood went at it, and I know that big stars like Tom 
> > Cruise or Tom Hanks could hurt the industry, I guess, if they had such 
> > feuds. I'm sure it has, but I wonder if Hollywood ever had a star feud 
> > on this level that could potentially affect the very workings of the 
> > industry, as people are forced to choose sides? Maybe back in silent 
> > or so-called Golden Age, when actors were more tied to one studio? I 
> > mean, nowadays, if, say Will Smith hated Brad Pitt, or Julia Roberts 
> > refused to have anything to do with Catherine Zeta-Jones, would that 
> > affect Hollywood? 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Star marriage sparks the great Bollywood divide 
> > By Krittivas MukherjeeThu May 3, 5:18 AM ET 
> > A raging rivalry between two of India's biggest screen stars has 
> > worsened after a marriage in one of their families obliged actors and 
> > producers in the world's largest film industry to begin taking sides. 
> > For years, India has watched the popularity battle between the iconic 
> > Amitabh Bachchan and younger superstar Shah Rukh Khan -- the former, a 
> > veteran who ruled the Bollywood box office for decades and remains 
> > very popular, and the latter, the reigning hero with a massive fan 
> > following. 
> > In recent years, the two stars have taken subtle digs at each other in 
> > public although the rivalry was seen to have remained healthy in an 
> > industry known for its cliques. 
> > Apparently no more, industry analysts said, after the April wedding of 
> > Bachchan's son Abhishek to Aishwarya Rai -- big stars in their own 
> > right -- created the ultimate Bollywood power family. 
> > "With the marriage, the Bachchans have become a formidable commercial 
> > package," said Bollywood commentator and author Derek Bose. 
> > "Brand Bachchan is now a threat to others. It has worsened the 
> > Bachchan-Khan rivalry, sparking new power equations." 
> > The Bachchans omitted to invite Khan and most of Bollywood to the 
> > wedding, leaving little doubt about who their friends were. 
> > On the other hand, Khan is suddenly seen bonding more with Bollywood's 
> > two other stars -- Salman and Saif -- who also share his second name. 
> > A few other stars too like Hrithik Roshan, once close to the 
> > Bachchans, are seen to have fallen out with them. 
> > "There seem to be two clear groups in Bollywood now -- the Bachchans 
> > and the Khans," said Bollywood analyst Taran Adarsh. 
> > Bachchan, 64, and Khan, 41, say their so-called rivalry is a media 
> > creation, but those claims have often been contradicted when they've 
> > taken potshots at each other. 
> > With the Bachchans getting bigger in brand equity, the Khan-Bachchan 
> > rivalry is not confined to the Bollywood popularity stakes but has 
> > taken on an economic dimension too, analysts said. 
> > Prahlad Kakkar, an Indian advertising guru and friend of the two 
> > warring stars, said the formation of two big camps could limit 
> > producers' options and raise the cost of filmmaking. 
> > "The polarization in Bollywood will cause casting problems for 
> > producers," he said. 
> > The rivalry has not only split Bollywood -- with only a few big 
> > producers on good terms with both actors -- but also divided loyalties 
> > among influential industrialists and politicians. 
> > While Bollywood is no stranger to cliques, analysts say the 
> > Bachchan-Khan spat has taken star rivalry to a new low. And this could 
> > change the complexion of Hindi cinema-making. 
> > "It's a bit like the corporate war of two big brands," said Bose. 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Star marriage sparks the great Bollywood divide

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Actually, I think it does or did happen in Hollywood on a smaller 
scale.  For instance,there was an Oscar feud between Joan Fontaine and 
her sister Olivia d' Haviland, so they refused to work together..I've 
heard other stories where casting was affected by the whims of a star... 
but again, never on the lever listed below.

Tracey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Interesting. I've heard of the rivalries here in America when studio 
> heads in Hollywood went at it, and I know that big stars like Tom 
> Cruise or Tom Hanks could hurt the industry, I guess, if they had such 
> feuds. I'm sure it has, but I wonder if Hollywood ever had a star feud 
> on this level that could potentially affect the very workings of the 
> industry, as people are forced to choose sides? Maybe back in silent 
> or so-called Golden Age, when actors were more tied to one studio? I 
> mean, nowadays, if, say Will Smith hated Brad Pitt, or Julia Roberts 
> refused to have anything to do with Catherine Zeta-Jones, would that 
> affect Hollywood?
>
> 
>
> Star marriage sparks the great Bollywood divide
> By Krittivas MukherjeeThu May 3, 5:18 AM ET
> A raging rivalry between two of India's biggest screen stars has 
> worsened after a marriage in one of their families obliged actors and 
> producers in the world's largest film industry to begin taking sides.
> For years, India has watched the popularity battle between the iconic 
> Amitabh Bachchan and younger superstar Shah Rukh Khan -- the former, a 
> veteran who ruled the Bollywood box office for decades and remains 
> very popular, and the latter, the reigning hero with a massive fan 
> following.
> In recent years, the two stars have taken subtle digs at each other in 
> public although the rivalry was seen to have remained healthy in an 
> industry known for its cliques.
> Apparently no more, industry analysts said, after the April wedding of 
> Bachchan's son Abhishek to Aishwarya Rai -- big stars in their own 
> right -- created the ultimate Bollywood power family.
> "With the marriage, the Bachchans have become a formidable commercial 
> package," said Bollywood commentator and author Derek Bose.
> "Brand Bachchan is now a threat to others. It has worsened the 
> Bachchan-Khan rivalry, sparking new power equations."
> The Bachchans omitted to invite Khan and most of Bollywood to the 
> wedding, leaving little doubt about who their friends were.
> On the other hand, Khan is suddenly seen bonding more with Bollywood's 
> two other stars -- Salman and Saif -- who also share his second name. 
> A few other stars too like Hrithik Roshan, once close to the 
> Bachchans, are seen to have fallen out with them.
> "There seem to be two clear groups in Bollywood now -- the Bachchans 
> and the Khans," said Bollywood analyst Taran Adarsh.
> Bachchan, 64, and Khan, 41, say their so-called rivalry is a media 
> creation, but those claims have often been contradicted when they've 
> taken potshots at each other.
> With the Bachchans getting bigger in brand equity, the Khan-Bachchan 
> rivalry is not confined to the Bollywood popularity stakes but has 
> taken on an economic dimension too, analysts said.
> Prahlad Kakkar, an Indian advertising guru and friend of the two 
> warring stars, said the formation of two big camps could limit 
> producers' options and raise the cost of filmmaking.
> "The polarization in Bollywood will cause casting problems for 
> producers," he said.
> The rivalry has not only split Bollywood -- with only a few big 
> producers on good terms with both actors -- but also divided loyalties 
> among influential industrialists and politicians.
> While Bollywood is no stranger to cliques, analysts say the 
> Bachchan-Khan spat has taken star rivalry to a new low. And this could 
> change the complexion of Hindi cinema-making.
> "It's a bit like the corporate war of two big brands," said Bose.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Favorite Scifi Mini Series - Worse Scifi Mini- Series

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

True.  Maybe if we get lucky they will do The Martian Chronicles II. The 
Martian Chronicles III, The Martian Chronicles IV and The Martian 
Chronicles V. Sequel mania rules!

just kidding.. (smirk)  hope no crazy unimaginative writer reads this.  
However, I would like to see a remake that maybe incorporates all the 
new things we now know about mars and some of the current plans for 
colonization

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> That was a good one, Tracey. Back when they made TV with care.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote: I was watching a 
> science channel show on the colonization of Mars and I
> remembered another Mini-Series I liked: "The Martian Chronicles with
> Rock Hudson, Darren Mc Gavin, Roddy Mc Dowell and Bernie Casey
>
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > Legend of Ea- NO. It's a TRAP, right? If I finish that sentence, it's
> > an immediate ban...sneaky...
> >
> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > wrote: come on people,
> > share your favorite and worse mini-series with me...
> > Please
> >
> > Tarcey
> >
> > Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote:
> > > as most of you know, I just returned from Mexico. While we got a 
> lot of
> > > the same stuff that is aired here is the states, many of the TV show
> > > either air on a much later date or don't air at all. One show I missed
> > > in Mexico that replayed last night was The Lost Room, despite several
> > > plot flaws, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Since the left the ending open, I
> > > hope they make it into a regular series (maybe to replace that
> > > pain-in-the-ass Jane. Did anyone else like it? What other scifi mini
> > > series do you like? Below is a small list of a few of my favorites and
> > > one I absolute hated
> > >
> > > Liked a lot
> > > The Stand
> > > Dune and Children of Dune
> > > The Lost Room
> > > Lathe of Heaven
> > >
> > > Hated:
> > > Earthsea
> > >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will
> > get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: George Lucas Calls 'Spider-Man 3' Silly

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I first saw it as a kid ad really liked it , but never knew why everyone 
was freaking out over it.  When I watch them now as an adult, I find the 
acting stiff, the script cookie cutter and unimaginative...and those are 
the good ones.  There is no way this man can believe that the mess he 
made of the Star Wars franchise is less "silly than the Spiderman .  
Even with the flaws, I think the Spiderman franchise is fantastic.I 
think Lucas is jealous

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> Myself, I never got the initial thrill of it.
>
> "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> wrote: If I were Raimi and Co. I wouldn't lose any sleep considering it's
> coming from the man that delivered three tepid prequels, Gungans,
> Ewoks, etc. Silly indeed.
>
> I just have never understood the reverence for Star Wars or Lucas.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> , "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > While I'm a big fan of Star Wars and it seems like Spiderman has a
> few
> > problems (like so many undeveloped storylines in one movie) but I
> do not
> > think Stars Wars never really delved into character development
> like
> > the Spiderman series has done.
> >
> > =
> >
> > Lucas is currently preparing "Indiana Jones 4" with Harrison Ford,
> > Blanchett and Shia LaBoeuf. The latter plays Ford's son, which
> means his
> > mother was possibly the character Karen Allen played in "Raiders of
> the
> > Lost Ark."
> >
> > "I can't say," Lucas said when I brought up Allen.
> >
> > Lucas says that Sean Connery still hasn't signed on, but his
> character,
> > Indy's dad, is in the script. Other than that, his lips are sealed.
> >
> > "Steven thinks we can keep the whole thing a secret," Lucas told
> me. "I
> > explained to him that it's impossible nowadays. We can't live like
> that."
> >
> > So then, tell me more about "Indy 4," I suggested.
> >
> > "Oh no," replied Lucas with a smile.
> >
> > Lucas told me he has seen all the summer movies since his company,
> > Industrial Light and Magic, does most of the special effects. The
> only
> > one they didn't work on was "Spider-Man 3." What did he think of it?
> >
> > "It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much
> there.
> > Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?"
> >
> > Well, it's not "Star Wars."
> >
> > "People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a
> wink. "But
> > it wasn't."
> >
> > Lucas, by the way, says he is readying "Clone Wars," an animated
> series
> > for TV that's derived from "Star Wars." Many "Star Wars" characters
> > appear in "Clone Wars," but voiced by other actors.
> >
> > And here's a little news: Lucas tells me he will make two more
> > live-action films based in the "Star Wars" era.
> >
> > "But they won't have members of the Skywalker family as
> characters," he
> > said. "They will be other people of that milieu."
> >
> > The two extra films will also be made for TV and probably be an
> hour
> > long each. But, like "Clone Wars," Lucas doesn't know where on TV
> they
> > will land.
> >
> > Hello, HBO and Showtime. It may be time to pony up.
> >
> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270874,00.html 
> 
> >
>
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will 
> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man 
> Without A Country"
>
> -
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> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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* The galaxy next door -- our destined home?:
New simulations predict what could happen when our
galaxy, as expected, runs into a neighboring one.

http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/070510_galactic-collision.htm


* Mutation may contribute to human uniqueness:
Scientists have identified a gene that they say
could help account for our distinctive cognitive
abilities.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070508_neuropsin.htm


* First map of planet outside our system:
Astronomers plan someday to map continents and
oceans on distant planets.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070509_extrasolar-map.htm


* Herod's tomb reported found:
Herod is said in the Bible to have ordered a
slaughter of babies in order to be rid of the
newborn Jesus.

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