[scifinoir2] Re: Freema Agyeman Axed From â Doctor Whoâ
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, Martin, What Who group is it? I'd love to join in. My entire family is mad for the show. We nearly had a family break down last time the show was preempted. It the only show, outside of The Simpsons that my children will stop everything to watch. Meta
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It's tardis_manual, Meta. Things have been kinda slow, because most of our people have these things called *lives*. And we'd be glad to have you! Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, Martin, What Who group is it? I'd love to join in. My entire family is mad for the show. We nearly had a family break down last time the show was preempted. It the only show, outside of The Simpsons that my children will stop everything to watch. Meta There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’
After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with Russell Davies, with the addendum, Why hasn't the script arrived? Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are DW groups Tracey Martin wrote: If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was intended, I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired. Tracey Martin wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies if I offended. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I saw something that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you guys thought, so I posted it. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm waiting for the notice from the BBC before I believe it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Freema Agyeman Axed From ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹Ã âDoctor WhoÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ BBC says performance just not strong enough http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third season finale of Doctor Who. ItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s only been eight episodes since Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) took over the role of The DoctorÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s companion following the departure of Billie PiperÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Rose Tyler at the end of the second season. But apparently thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s all the BBC needs to see. According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the BBC was disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åher performance is not as strong as in her earlier episodes.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâàAnd unfortunately for Martha there wonÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t be a happy ending as, according to the newspaper, there is a storyline set where she will become lost in time with The Doctor unable to find her. This, of course, may ring a few bells with fans of the series who watched Rose Tyler finish with a similar fate as she becomes stranded in an alternate world following the events of ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅDoomsday, the second season finale of the show that marked Piper's departure. ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅFreema is very talented but we donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t think she is just right on ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹Ã âDoctor Who,ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâàa source told the newspaper. ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅNone of this is being done with any malice. FreemaÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s a lovely girl.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâàA spokesperson for the series refused to comment on the report, however if true, this marks the third casting change the series has seen, after Christopher Eccleston left the show after only a year and Piper departed at the end of the second season. Agyeman herself has spoken out on how difficult it was
Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’
I only found the following http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007240235,00.html http://www.functionpix.com/index.php/article/Freema_Agyeman__alias_Martha_Jones_is_sacked_from_DrWho/1395/ I think if it were true, it would be in more places. On the other hand, why did the spokesperson refuse to comment? Tracey Martin wrote: After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with Russell Davies, with the addendum, Why hasn't the script arrived? Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: What are DW groups Tracey Martin wrote: If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was intended, I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired. Tracey Martin wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies if I offended. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I saw something that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you guys thought, so I posted it. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm waiting for the notice from the BBC before I believe it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’ BBC says performance just not strong enough http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third season finale of Doctor Who. It’s only been eight episodes since Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) took over the role of The Doctor’s companion following the departure of Billie Piper’s Rose Tyler at the end of the second season. But apparently that’s all the BBC needs to see. According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the BBC was disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that “her performance is not as strong as in her earlier episodes.†And unfortunately for Martha there won’t be a happy ending as, according to the newspaper, there is a storyline set where she will become lost in time with The Doctor unable to find her. This, of course, may ring a few bells with fans of the series who watched Rose Tyler finish with a similar fate as she becomes stranded in an alternate world following the events of
Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’
Official statement from the BBC: “It is absolute rubbish that Freema Agyeman has been axed or sacked from Doctor Who. However we do not comment on future storylines.” Tracey Martin wrote: After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with Russell Davies, with the addendum, Why hasn't the script arrived? Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: What are DW groups Tracey Martin wrote: If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was intended, I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired. Tracey Martin wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies if I offended. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I saw something that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you guys thought, so I posted it. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm waiting for the notice from the BBC before I believe it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’ BBC says performance just not strong enough http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third season finale of Doctor Who. It’s only been eight episodes since Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) took over the role of The Doctor’s companion following the departure of Billie Piper’s Rose Tyler at the end of the second season. But apparently that’s all the BBC needs to see. According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the BBC was disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that “her performance is not as strong as in her earlier episodes.†And unfortunately for Martha there won’t be a happy ending as, according to the newspaper, there is a storyline set where she will become lost in time with The Doctor unable to find her. This, of course, may ring a few bells with fans of the series who watched Rose Tyler finish with a similar fate as she becomes stranded in an alternate world following the events of “Doomsday, the second season finale of the show that marked Piper's departure. “Freema is very talented
Re: [scifinoir2] Freema Agyeman Axed From ‘Doctor Who’
Because very little printed in the Sun is worthy of commenting about. I'll stick with the notion that she's there to stay, at least until the end of this series. I mentioned earlier about the poster in another of my DW groups who hinted that she was due to be killed off. P O S S I B L E SPOILERS His rationale is that this seems to be the Whale on the Doctor series, from his losing Rose and the Bride to being told by a friend that he's *not* the Last of the Time Lords and subsequently faced with the realization that the other Time Lord *might* be his Best Enemy, the Master (this hasn't been confirmed as of yet, just ripe speculation based on the appearence of a new enemy this season who supposedly has *ties* to the Doctor), and that losing Martha, with whom he's become *very comfy* (scene in bed together!) would be the next whack to his psyche. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only found the following http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007240235,00.html http://www.functionpix.com/index.php/article/Freema_Agyeman__alias_Martha_Jones_is_sacked_from_DrWho/1395/ I think if it were true, it would be in more places. On the other hand, why did the spokesperson refuse to comment? Tracey Martin wrote: After running through all of my DW groups, I've found no indication that Frreema's being shown anything approaching a door. One user in Britain believes, based on a blurb he's seen from the last ep of this series, that she might be killed off, but that's just his guess. I *have*, however, found a rumor that Kylie Minogue might have been offered a role in an ep. Some ambitious pap took a pic of a to-do list in her car, and one line refers to a meeting she has to make with Russell Davies, with the addendum, Why hasn't the script arrived? Martin (stil in love with Who, apologies to Phil Lynott and Gary Moore) Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: What are DW groups Tracey Martin wrote: If I can ever find the time, I'm going to plug into my more international DW groups, see if I can get the skinny behind the skinny. Might not be until tomorrow, at the rate that stuff's falling into my inbox. I'll be certain to pass it on as soon as I learn it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was intended, I felt anticipated relief. Hope that she was not fired. Tracey Martin wrote: Of course. In my recent spare time (HA!), I became mod of a Yahoo Doctor Who fan group, so I've been chasing this one all day. The refuting has started to wear, as you can tell. Thanks, and apologies if I offended. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I saw something that refuted it too. But I wanted to know what you guys thought, so I posted it. Tracey Martin wrote: Tracey, I've seen four reports since that refute this. I'm waiting for the notice from the BBC before I believe it. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Freema Agyeman Axed From ÃÆÃâÃââÃÆââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆââ¬Â¹Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅDoctor WhoÃÆÃâÃââÃÆââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆââââ¬à ¾Ãââ BBC says performance just not strong enough http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html http://syfyportal.com/news423698.html The following story contains possible MAJOR SPOILERS for the third season finale of Doctor Who. ItÃÆÃâÃââÃÆââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆââââ¬à ¾Ãââs only been eight episodes since Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) took over the role of The DoctorÃÆÃâÃââÃÆââââ¬à ¡ÃâìÃÆââââ¬à ¾Ãââs companion
[scifinoir2] EW's The SciFi 25 Needs Work
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp EW's The SciFi 25 Needs Work Guest Author - Helen A. Lee Entertainment Weekly is just asking for a bruising by coming out with a list like this one: The Sci-Fi 25 purports to list the top 25 movies and TV from the last 25 years (see Related Links at the bottom of this page if you haven't read it yet). Where do I even start? 1. I'm going to quibble with the methodology and say that in 10 years, a list like this should not be complete without video games and possibly comic books on it. Tell me that Halo and its Master Chief do not deserve to be on this list. What about animated TV shows? The list includes only Futurama and Star Wars: Clone Wars, but come on. Futurama was kinda cute, but Robotech was fabulous. 2. Secondly, I'm going to say there are at least two glaring omissions on this list that I can think of, just off the top of my head. The first is Babylon 5. How can you leave this show out of any top list of scifi events? And Return of the Jedi. Granted, it was probably the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still deserves to be up there. And the newer Star Wars films didn't even rate above Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers? You're kidding me. 3. There's some pretty iffy scifi on there. Can anyone who's actually seen the movie tell me if Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind really counts as scifi? 4. The top two simply are not right. The Matrix does not deserve the top spot, though it does deserve to be on the list. The new Battlestar Galactica is wonderful, but number two over the last 25 years? 5. Did I mention that Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers are among the top 25? Why? I enjoyed both these films, but considered them throwaways. And if you look at all the scifi from the last quarter centuryplease. 6. I actually liked Terminator 3. So there. 7. Star Trek: The Next Generation deserved to be higher than number 8, in my opinion. 8. Firefly/Serenity deserved to be higher than number 15. 9. Putting Doctor Who at 23 is an absolute crime. We're talking about a show that spans decades here. 10. I think I'd have put in Trekkies instead of Galaxy Quest, since the list seems determined to slip in some parody/satire (see Futurama and Galaxy Quest). 11. Surely Star Trek IV and Star Trek VI deserve a little recognition here? 12. If you're going to include Heroes, shouldn't you open up the list to other superhero offerings? I admit this might be a bit unwieldy. Still, I think the Spiderman movies and possibly Batman Begins deserve a nod. I know most of you other scifi fans must have other problems with the list. Or perhaps you'd like to defend EW? Tell me what you think! UPDATE 5/17/07: EW Issues Viewer's Choice Scifi Top 25 Entertainment Weekly has issued Space Bawls, after getting over 1,000 comments about their choices for Top 25 of the past 25 years. I will say I totally agree with the reader who wrote that Heroes, Lost to some extent Buffy the Vampire Slayer are fantasy and not scifi shows that EW has given disproportionate coverage to over the years (don't get me wrong, I like them all). I disagree that Independence Day should have been included or 12 Monkeys and The Fifth Element, (all fine films, but not top 25 material in my book), but kudos to everyone for calling EW on Stargate SG-1, Farscape, and Donnie Darko. And Ghost in the Shell and Akira. I still can't believe they left out Babylon 5 the first time. I still believe they should have split the list separately into movies and TV or, alternately, included video games and comics (if they're going to include superhero fantasy anyway)the last 25 years wouldn't have been complete without the marriage of Spiderman and MJ, the deaths of Superman and Captain America, or the debut of the Master Chief. For the new list, check out the links at the bottom of the page. Related Links: EW.com's The Sci-Fi 25 EW.com's Space Bawls
[scifinoir2] Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender
http://www.gothamist.com/2007/05/25/movie_promotion.php May 25, 2007 Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender We saw Spider-man take over the city for a week, now get ready for The Silver Surfer to take over your change purse. A deal between 20th Century Fox and Franklin Mint has landed the Marvel superhero on the quarter. 40,000 of them, to be exact (no doubt fans will be trying to collect these now that they're in circulation). This is all, of course, to promote the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. So pay attention to your change, if you get one - you'll have a chance to win a 4 day/3 night trip for 4 to the June 12th world premiere of the movie in London. The quarters, which were delivered in customized Silver Surfer armored trucks, have been released over the past few days, and are the first to ever feature a contemporary movie character. And of course, they're already selling on eBay for way more than 25 cents! So if you find one, you may not want to take The Post's suggestion of using it to buy their Late City Final edition!
[scifinoir2] Carole McDonnell's Some of Us Are Brave
The below article is a must read for aspiring writers - but especially those of color. I am particularly fond of the passage: Christians read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to be stressed. I am highly amused by the unintentional hilarity of that statement. But, more to the point, McDonnell articulates the peculiar limbo of being in-between genres that minority writers find themselves stranded in. Indeed, Some of Us Are Brave, but all of us need to be. ~rave! http://www.thebacklist.net/index.asp Some of Us Are Brave By Carole McDonnell I knew I had to be brave when the idea for my novel Wind Follower came to me. The novel fell into genres which had much in common, but genres which were often incompatible. Wind Follower is speculative fiction and written by a Black author. But, it is also a Christian novel a rarity among Black fantasy. I wondered, could I write a book which represented all that I am? Traditionally, Christian fiction books have dealt with issues such as supernatural spiritual warfare, home-spun country stories, frontier stories, and romance. Except for the odd escaped slave, drug addict, or black secretary, African-Americans rarely show up in Christian fiction, and discussions of racism are avoided. White Christian fiction and Black fiction literally deal with different worlds. For white Christian writers, the hero's journey was a return to the simple life of the rural Eden where the evils of the big city (and its citizens) could no longer touch him. While the white Christian writer trusts in the status quo, the African-American author understands that Eden the American Dream has not been achieved. Black Christian novelists mention racism and social injustice only in passing. They have been published by Christian publishing companies and if they wish to retain both their readers and publishers, they accept the CBA's (Christian Booksellers Association) credo: Christians read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to be stressed. This credo was told to me many times by Christian publishers and agents who saw Wind Follower. Although these gatekeepers said it was one of the best pieces of Christian fiction they had ever read, telepathy, magic, erotic love scenes, anti-imperialism, and an interracial love story all made the book wrong for our demographics. In short, if I wanted the book to be published by a company linked to the CBA, I would have to avoid those areas commonly dealt with in African-American fiction. I have been a lover of African-American fiction, Christian memoir, and speculative fiction. But these genres are literally worlds apart and Black writers must often create an authentic niche in established genres. A few black niches exist in publishing. One niche that has affected much Black writings and which unfortunately still exists today is the Slave Narrative. Works that were part biography, part protest literature, part Christian testimony and conversion story, Slave Narratives were also written to show the humanity of Africans, and to show the erring white culture Christian how incompatible slavery is with Biblical Christianity. Black fiction often touches upon social, existential, and spiritual issues. That is to be expected. The struggle to show the commonality of all humans and yet try to shine a spotlight on uniquely African-American aspect was the aim of the first slave narrative and is still the aim of most Black writings. Wind Follower, among other things, is a slave narrative of sorts. But the Christian publishing world was tempting me to cast off those African-American issues which would prevent it from being accepted by fellow Christians. Complicating matters, I found that although many Black fantasy writers honor folklore and magic, Black Christians didn't like speculative fiction. Like their white counterparts, they consider magic satanic. Some told me they didn't like anything that's not real. Others plainly said they avoid reading any book with sex scenes. When I was advised by black Christian writers that many black Christians would not read my book, I decided to send the manuscript to Juno Books, a secular publisher which specialized in speculative fiction. They accepted it, but suddenly I found myself wondering if my primary readers would be white non-Christians. And would white speculative-fiction readers be willing to leave the Euro-centric elves, dwarves, and Celtic ladies to which they are accustomed to read about a non-European world? African-American writers are creating flourishing new genres which have inherited the burdens, and specifications of those genres, and we are beginning to make those genres truly our own. Some of us are Christians, some of us are speculative fiction writers. But all of us are brave. Carole McDonnell's novel, Wind Follower, will be published by Juno Books in June 2007.
[scifinoir2] Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] Carole McDonnell's Some of Us Are Brave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't wait to read this book! I've read other stories by Carole and she is an excellent writer! I recemmend this sight unseen just on my previous experience with Carole's work. Cheers! Amy The below article is a must read for aspiring writers - but especially those of color. I am particularly fond of the passage: Christians read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to be stressed. I am highly amused by the unintentional hilarity of that statement. But, more to the point, McDonnell articulates the peculiar limbo of being in-between genres that minority writers find themselves stranded in. Indeed, Some of Us Are Brave, but all of us need to be. ~rave! http://www.thebacklist.net/index.asp Some of Us Are Brave By Carole McDonnell I knew I had to be brave when the idea for my novel Wind Follower came to me. The novel fell into genres which had much in common, but genres which were often incompatible. Wind Follower is speculative fiction and written by a Black author. But, it is also a Christian novel - a rarity among Black fantasy. I wondered, could I write a book which represented all that I am? Traditionally, Christian fiction books have dealt with issues such as supernatural spiritual warfare, home-spun country stories, frontier stories, and romance. Except for the odd escaped slave, drug addict, or black secretary, African-Americans rarely show up in Christian fiction, and discussions of racism are avoided. White Christian fiction and Black fiction literally deal with different worlds. For white Christian writers, the hero's journey was a return to the simple life of the rural Eden where the evils of the big city (and its citizens) could no longer touch him. While the white Christian writer trusts in the status quo, the African-American author understands that Eden -the American Dream- has not been achieved. Black Christian novelists mention racism and social injustice only in passing. They have been published by Christian publishing companies and if they wish to retain both their readers and publishers, they accept the CBA's (Christian Booksellers Association) credo: Christians read novels to find peace in the world. They don't want to be stressed. This credo was told to me many times by Christian publishers and agents who saw Wind Follower. Although these gatekeepers said it was one of the best pieces of Christian fiction they had ever read, telepathy, magic, erotic love scenes, anti-imperialism, and an interracial love story all made the book wrong for our demographics. In short, if I wanted the book to be published by a company linked to the CBA, I would have to avoid those areas commonly dealt with in African-American fiction. I have been a lover of African-American fiction, Christian memoir, and speculative fiction. But these genres are literally worlds apart and Black writers must often create an authentic niche in established genres. A few black niches exist in publishing. One niche that has affected much Black writings and which unfortunately still exists today is the Slave Narrative. Works that were part biography, part protest literature, part Christian testimony and conversion story, Slave Narratives were also written to show the humanity of Africans, and to show the erring white culture Christian how incompatible slavery is with Biblical Christianity. Black fiction often touches upon social, existential, and spiritual issues. That is to be expected. The struggle to show the commonality of all humans and yet try to shine a spotlight on uniquely African-American aspect was the aim of the first slave narrative and is still the aim of most Black writings. Wind Follower, among other things, is a slave narrative of sorts. But the Christian publishing world was tempting me to cast off those African-American issues which would prevent it from being accepted by fellow Christians. Complicating matters, I found that although many Black fantasy writers honor folklore and magic, Black Christians didn't like speculative fiction. Like their white counterparts, they consider magic satanic. Some told me they didn't like anything that's not real. Others plainly said they avoid reading any book with sex scenes. When I was advised by black Christian writers that many black Christians would not read my book, I decided to send the manuscript to Juno Books, a secular publisher which specialized in speculative fiction. They accepted it, but suddenly I found myself wondering if my primary readers would be white non-Christians. And would white speculative-fiction readers be willing to leave the Euro-centric elves, dwarves, and Celtic ladies to which they are accustomed to read about a non-European world? African-American writers are creating flourishing new genres which have inherited the burdens, and specifications of those genres, and we are beginning to make those genres truly our own. Some of us are Christians, some of us are speculative fiction writers. But
[scifinoir2] New ads for Prester John Beer and Go-Joe Cola
If you haven't done so, already, please check out my new ads for Prester John Beer http://theworldebon.com/prester_john_beer.htm and Go-Joe Cola http://www.theworldebon.com/Go-Joe%20Cola.htm The Prester John ads are an homage to both the mythical African king and Ben Franklin. The Go-Joe Cola ads are an homage to Edward F. Boyd and Joe Gilliam, Jr. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender
As I've said in two other Yahoo forums, once I get my hands on one, *no amount* of money will make me part ways with it. Brent Wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gothamist.com/2007/05/25/movie_promotion.php May 25, 2007 Movie Promotion Meets Legal Tender We saw Spider-man take over the city for a week, now get ready for The Silver Surfer to take over your change purse. A deal between 20th Century Fox and Franklin Mint has landed the Marvel superhero on the quarter. 40,000 of them, to be exact (no doubt fans will be trying to collect these now that they're in circulation). This is all, of course, to promote the upcoming movie, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. So pay attention to your change, if you get one - you'll have a chance to win a 4 day/3 night trip for 4 to the June 12th world premiere of the movie in London. The quarters, which were delivered in customized Silver Surfer armored trucks, have been released over the past few days, and are the first to ever feature a contemporary movie character. And of course, they're already selling on eBay for way more than 25 cents! So if you find one, you may not want to take The Post's suggestion of using it to buy their Late City Final edition! There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] EW's The SciFi 25 Needs Work
rave, re the newest SW flicks in comparison to Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers- I would put GQ above them easily (*not* owing to my well-versed loathing of all flicks Lucasian). Starship Troopers, I'm on the fence about. I wasn't at all happy with the adaptation that H'Wood made of Heinlein's novel (also well-known that I'm never fond of *any* H'Wood adaptation), and it was entertaining enough, but it just didn't stick with me. Re #3- hay-ull, naw, pard. I considered that comedy. *Light* comedy. Re #7- NO. Re #8 9- YES. Re #11- see Re #7. Re #12- see Re #8 9. ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp EW's The SciFi 25 Needs Work Guest Author - Helen A. Lee Entertainment Weekly is just asking for a bruising by coming out with a list like this one: The Sci-Fi 25 purports to list the top 25 movies and TV from the last 25 years (see Related Links at the bottom of this page if you haven't read it yet). Where do I even start? 1. I'm going to quibble with the methodology and say that in 10 years, a list like this should not be complete without video games and possibly comic books on it. Tell me that Halo and its Master Chief do not deserve to be on this list. What about animated TV shows? The list includes only Futurama and Star Wars: Clone Wars, but come on. Futurama was kinda cute, but Robotech was fabulous. 2. Secondly, I'm going to say there are at least two glaring omissions on this list that I can think of, just off the top of my head. The first is Babylon 5. How can you leave this show out of any top list of scifi events? And Return of the Jedi. Granted, it was probably the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still deserves to be up there. And the newer Star Wars films didn't even rate above Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers? You're kidding me. 3. There's some pretty iffy scifi on there. Can anyone who's actually seen the movie tell me if Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind really counts as scifi? 4. The top two simply are not right. The Matrix does not deserve the top spot, though it does deserve to be on the list. The new Battlestar Galactica is wonderful, but number two over the last 25 years? 5. Did I mention that Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers are among the top 25? Why? I enjoyed both these films, but considered them throwaways. And if you look at all the scifi from the last quarter centuryplease. 6. I actually liked Terminator 3. So there. 7. Star Trek: The Next Generation deserved to be higher than number 8, in my opinion. 8. Firefly/Serenity deserved to be higher than number 15. 9. Putting Doctor Who at 23 is an absolute crime. We're talking about a show that spans decades here. 10. I think I'd have put in Trekkies instead of Galaxy Quest, since the list seems determined to slip in some parody/satire (see Futurama and Galaxy Quest). 11. Surely Star Trek IV and Star Trek VI deserve a little recognition here? 12. If you're going to include Heroes, shouldn't you open up the list to other superhero offerings? I admit this might be a bit unwieldy. Still, I think the Spiderman movies and possibly Batman Begins deserve a nod. I know most of you other scifi fans must have other problems with the list. Or perhaps you'd like to defend EW? Tell me what you think! UPDATE 5/17/07: EW Issues Viewer's Choice Scifi Top 25 Entertainment Weekly has issued Space Bawls, after getting over 1,000 comments about their choices for Top 25 of the past 25 years. I will say I totally agree with the reader who wrote that Heroes, Lost to some extent Buffy the Vampire Slayer are fantasy and not scifi shows that EW has given disproportionate coverage to over the years (don't get me wrong, I like them all). I disagree that Independence Day should have been included or 12 Monkeys and The Fifth Element, (all fine films, but not top 25 material in my book), but kudos to everyone for calling EW on Stargate SG-1, Farscape, and Donnie Darko. And Ghost in the Shell and Akira. I still can't believe they left out Babylon 5 the first time. I still believe they should have split the list separately into movies and TV or, alternately, included video games and comics (if they're going to include superhero fantasy anyway)the last 25 years wouldn't have been complete without the marriage of Spiderman and MJ, the deaths of Superman and Captain America, or the debut of the Master Chief. For the new list, check out the links at the bottom of the page. Related Links: EW.com's The Sci-Fi 25 EW.com's Space Bawls There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Fw:OT: Help Kick Off Cheney IMPEACHMENT Summer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friends and Activists, In this alert we will propose a plan of action, which if we execute it faithfully, WILL result in the impeachment of Vice President Cheney by the end of the summer. So please read on, we think this is VERY important strategic stuff. But first we want to let you know that thanks to your kind donations, and following your suggestions, we were able to run blog ad action buttons for the National Cheney Impeachment Poll (with now more than 55,000 submissions) in 8 more progressive blogs this week, TalkingPointsMemo, FireDogLake, BartCop, TheSmirkingChimp, CliffSchecter, onegoodmove, Pandagon and TheCarpetbaggerReport. We want to add CrooksAndLiars among others to the movement this coming week, and DailyKos (which also got many mentions from you) the week after that if you will keep the donations coming, and we know you will. DONATIONS PAGE: http://www.usalone.com/donations.php And especially if you have other ideas, please email to us as we are making the ad buying decisions based on your input. Memorial Day is the traditional kickoff to the summer season, and we are planning a kickoff of the biggest impeachment initiative ever. More and more people have begun to realize that the core problem with Congress is getting them to actually CONFRONT the Cheney administration. That's right, we said the Cheney administration. Whether even he knows it or not, Bush has made no actual decisions since he was first installed. And if it weren't for the talking points they give him to rehearse, he would not be able to complete a logical sentence in English in public. He can barely do that as it is. At the same time we recognize, and as demonstrated by the vote on the Iraq supplemental capitulation, that about half the Democratic members of Congress and most of the Republicans are basically throwaways in terms of actually standing up for we the people. And we are even now hearing widespread talk of primary challenges on the basis of this one vote alone. Indeed, if we can get them to understand that the people will no longer buy their shuck and jive then any policy change is possible. So primary challenges will be the first and fastest way to let them know that their failure to act represents real political career jeopardy for them. Our experience in the last election cycle teaches us that nothing is more important in winning an election campaign, whether in a primary or a general election, than having organized boots on the ground. With enough warm bodies in place whatever money is needed will come. Regardless of what else we do we need to spend the next 6 months building a cadre of seasoned canvassers, the core of a volunteer activist campaign oriented base. And we have an incredible opportunity to use the National Cheney Impeachment Poll as a vehicle to do just that. IMPEACHMENT POLL SIGN UP SHEET: http://www.usalone.com/votesheet.pdf If each one of the people who has ALREADY submitted a vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll were to print out just one of the vote sheets above, and collect just 20 votes from their friends and neighbors, we'd be over a million votes, bam, just like that. And at the same time, those who do the best job organizing this canvassing would naturally emerge as the actual candidates we need to turn the tide. In short, on top of everything else, we are proposing using this vote collection drive as a way to TEST DRIVE your potential as a candidate or volunteer in a REAL election, and to use that opportunity to get invaluable on street training. Just print out some of the vote sheets above, grab a clip board and some pens, and you're ready to rock. We had one volunteer in Hollywood, CA this afternoon at one of the larger health food markets, and in just about an hour they filled up one of these vote sheets with 20 votes. This is going to be EASY. All you have to do is say to people, Hello . . . will you vote in the Cheney impeachment poll?, and hold up your clip board so they can see the sign up sheet. If the name Cheney catches 10% of their ears you will quickly be able to engage and mobilize the people in your community who will speak out, and before we know it, the base of the future will be built. No matter where you go to collect votes, you are just NOT going to find a lot of people who don't think Cheney should be impeached. Based on his current approval rating (if not his impeachable crimes) there is zero chance he will ever break 10% in this poll (we're currently running 99.36% YES in favor of impeachment). You can tell people we are not asking if he WILL be impeached, we are asking if he should be impeached. The most important thing to remember if you are going to participate in this is ENTHUSIASTICALLY ACCEPT ALL VOTES WHETHER YES OR NO The other side knows they can only win by
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[scifinoir2] [Timewaster] WoW Moviewatch: So that's where that dance came from!
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/25/wow-moviewatch-so-thats-where-that-dance-came-from/
Re: [scifinoir2] [Timewaster] WoW Moviewatch: So that's where that dance came from!
Thank you, Brent, for the wonderful end to a great day.
Brent Wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/25/wow-moviewatch-so-thats-where-that-dance-came-from/
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Timewaster] WoW Moviewatch: So that's where that dance came
I live to serve. :-) Brent Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you, Brent, for the wonderful end to a great day. Brent Wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/25/wow-moviewatch-so-thats-where-that-dance-came-from/
Re: [scifinoir2] New ads for Prester John Beer and Go-Joe Cola
That, sir, is some fine work. I'm ashamed to say that I've never ventured within your site before today. I'll rectify that error frequently. ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you haven't done so, already, please check out my new ads for Prester John Beer http://theworldebon.com/prester_john_beer.htm and Go-Joe Cola http://www.theworldebon.com/Go-Joe%20Cola.htm The Prester John ads are an homage to both the mythical African king and Ben Franklin. The Go-Joe Cola ads are an homage to Edward F. Boyd and Joe Gilliam, Jr. ~rave! There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Roll Call
A number of new people have joined the group lately, so I decided to post this call for a roll call so who in a member and what their interests are. Help us get to know you. Answer the questions below and send your Roll Call answers to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sample subject line: Roll Call:Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL 1. Name: 2. Location: 3. Nickname(s)/Alias[s]: 4. To What Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): 5. Favorite Speculative Fiction Genres: Science/Speculative Fiction and Mystery. 6. Favorite Speculative Fiction TV Shows (canceled shows ok): 7. Favorite Speculative Fiction Movies: 8. Favorite Speculative Fiction Characters: 9. Favorite Speculative Fiction Villain: 10. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 11. Your Favorite Show that was canceled unfairly: 12. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Superhero: 13. Topics of importance to you: 14. Your own published works, if any: 15. Your web site: 16. Your Speculative Fiction Pet Peeves: 17. Memberships in science fiction clubs or discussion groups: 18. Speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: 19. Movies you plan on seeing this summer: 20. Movies you plan on avoiding this summer: Send your Roll Call to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sample subject line: Roll Call:Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL
Re: [scifinoir2] EW's The SciFi 25 Needs Work
I'm Sorry. Putting down Galaxy Quest is fightin' words. I LOVE that movie. I watch it at least once a year and the laughs keep coming. That's a sequel I could get behind. Tracey Martin wrote: rave, re the newest SW flicks in comparison to Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers- I would put GQ above them easily (*not* owing to my well-versed loathing of all flicks Lucasian). Starship Troopers, I'm on the fence about. I wasn't at all happy with the adaptation that H'Wood made of Heinlein's novel (also well-known that I'm never fond of *any* H'Wood adaptation), and it was entertaining enough, but it just didn't stick with me. Re #3- hay-ull, naw, pard. I considered that comedy. *Light* comedy. Re #7- NO. Re #8 9- YES. Re #11- see Re #7. Re #12- see Re #8 9. ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1525.asp EW's The SciFi 25 Needs Work Guest Author - Helen A. Lee Entertainment Weekly is just asking for a bruising by coming out with a list like this one: The Sci-Fi 25 purports to list the top 25 movies and TV from the last 25 years (see Related Links at the bottom of this page if you haven't read it yet). Where do I even start? 1. I'm going to quibble with the methodology and say that in 10 years, a list like this should not be complete without video games and possibly comic books on it. Tell me that Halo and its Master Chief do not deserve to be on this list. What about animated TV shows? The list includes only Futurama and Star Wars: Clone Wars, but come on. Futurama was kinda cute, but Robotech was fabulous. 2. Secondly, I'm going to say there are at least two glaring omissions on this list that I can think of, just off the top of my head. The first is Babylon 5. How can you leave this show out of any top list of scifi events? And Return of the Jedi. Granted, it was probably the weakest of the original trilogy, but it still deserves to be up there. And the newer Star Wars films didn't even rate above Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers? You're kidding me. 3. There's some pretty iffy scifi on there. Can anyone who's actually seen the movie tell me if Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind really counts as scifi? 4. The top two simply are not right. The Matrix does not deserve the top spot, though it does deserve to be on the list. The new Battlestar Galactica is wonderful, but number two over the last 25 years? 5. Did I mention that Galaxy Quest and Starship Troopers are among the top 25? Why? I enjoyed both these films, but considered them throwaways. And if you look at all the scifi from the last quarter century—please. 6. I actually liked Terminator 3. So there. 7. Star Trek: The Next Generation deserved to be higher than number 8, in my opinion. 8. Firefly/Serenity deserved to be higher than number 15. 9. Putting Doctor Who at 23 is an absolute crime. We're talking about a show that spans decades here. 10. I think I'd have put in Trekkies instead of Galaxy Quest, since the list seems determined to slip in some parody/satire (see Futurama and Galaxy Quest). 11. Surely Star Trek IV and Star Trek VI deserve a little recognition here? 12. If you're going to include Heroes, shouldn't you open up the list to other superhero offerings? I admit this might be a bit unwieldy. Still, I think the Spiderman movies and possibly Batman Begins deserve a nod. I know most of you other scifi fans must have other problems with the list. Or perhaps you'd like to defend EW? Tell me what you think! UPDATE 5/17/07: EW Issues Viewer's Choice Scifi Top 25 Entertainment Weekly has issued Space Bawls, after getting over 1,000 comments about their choices for Top 25 of the past 25 years. I will say I totally agree with the reader who wrote that Heroes, Lost to some extent Buffy the Vampire Slayer are fantasy and not scifi shows that EW has given disproportionate coverage to over the years (don't get me wrong, I like them all). I disagree that Independence Day should have been included or 12 Monkeys and The Fifth Element, (all fine films, but not top 25 material in my book), but kudos to everyone for calling EW on Stargate SG-1, Farscape, and Donnie Darko. And Ghost in the Shell and Akira. I still can't believe they left out Babylon 5 the first time. I still believe they should have split the list separately into movies and TV or, alternately, included video games and comics (if they're going to include superhero fantasy anyway)—the last 25 years wouldn't have been complete without the marriage of Spiderman and MJ, the deaths of Superman and Captain America, or the debut of the Master Chief. For the new list, check out the links at the bottom of the page. Related Links: EW.com's The Sci-Fi 25 EW.com's Space Bawls There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the
[scifinoir2] [Fwd: [Blackfolks] The Bourne Ultimatum Preview]
For those who, like me, can't get enough of Jason Bourne... http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=161524page= http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=161524page= The Bourne Ultimatum Preview Matt Damon returns for Jason Bourne's third - and possibly final - big-screen adventure Matt Damon is appearing in more films than ever. Having appeared in Scorsese's *The Departed* and starred in Robert De Niro-directed CIA epic *The Good Shepherd*, a change of pace comes with *Margaret*, in which Damon plays second fiddle to Anna Paquin, a survivor of a bus crash, while *Ocean's Thirteen* promises to be more dumb but audacious robbery fun. But the film we're all dying to see is *The Bourne Ultimatum*. As for the story, the studio is keeping it under wraps. And, if Damon is to be believed, there's no point leafing through Robert Ludlum's source novel. If you have any ideas for a script, please, call Universal! Damon joked to US reporters earlier in the year. We've gone so far from the book. Robert Ludlum wrote it as a trilogy and we've really kind-of ignored that plot because it's very Cold War. And so in the updating process we kind-of threw out most of what he had so we're kind of on our own to find a third one. The few details to have emerged are scant. As with the previous films - *The Bourne Identity* (2002) and *The Bourne Supremacy* (2004) - Damon's amnesiac assassin follows a twisted trail that's the espionage equivalent of a world tour: Moscow, Paris, Madrid, London, Tangiers, New York City. Audiences could be in danger of becoming travel-weary - like a jaded rock star who has to check the back of his guitar to remember where he's gigging tonight. While this location fatigue did threaten to spoil the first two instalments, both were saved by inspired direction from Doug Liman (*Identity*) and the UK's Paul Greengrass (*Supremacy*). Fans of the franchise will be delighted to hear that Greengrass, flying high (so the speak) after critical hit *United 93*, returns for Bourne's third adventure. Speaking to 'World Entertainment Network', Greengrass was on effusive form. It's going to have all the excitement you'd expect from a Bourne film and all the intensity you'd expect from a Bourne story. I can't wait - it's just going to be fucking fantastic. It's going to rock! That's honestly what it's going to do. What direction? We'll have a better car chase, have more exciting action, more intensity and just generally be a fucking classy film. I think Matt Damon's looking forward to it like I am. It's going to be an absolute laugh. Judging by the trailer, it looks like Greengrass has delivered once again. But what sets the Bourne movies apart from more run-of-the-mill actioners is its strong characterisation and top-flight acting talent. Once again, Julia Stiles is on hand as prim but sexy CIA agent Nicky, but it's a newcomer to the franchise that's got film fans excited. Paddy Considine, one of the best British actors of his generation, plays the investigative journalist who lures Bourne out of hiding and agrees to help him track down his true identity. That Bourne ultimately succeeds in his mission is one of the few things we can be sure of, courtesy of blabbermouth Damon. His search for identity is definitely going to come to an end, he told 'About.com', before musing that he doubted Bourne could ever be happy. So, if Bourne's quest finally reaches a conclusion, does that mean we won't be seeing a fourth movie? We have a story to tell, Damon continues. But looking at it, to be fair, we go, 'Okay, I think this should be the last one.' I'm half joking, but how long can you [last]? I don't know how long we can ride that pony. I'd like to think - maybe he'll get a bump on the head at the end or something. This being Hollywood, Damon's flip remark might just come true. http://archives.listbox.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
