[scifinoir2] Fw: A Cannibal Galaxy

[Amy]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> URL to an article in MSNBC
> _http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963316/_
> (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963316/)
>
> Our galaxy may be a cannibal.   And I thought Iraq was a  dangerous place.
>
> First few paragraphs
> "
> Streams of stars show cannibal galaxy
> Researchers say our galaxy may be a dangerous place for passersby
>
>
> Caltech
> Three  new streams of stars were discovered ringing the Milky Way. The two
> closest  streams are thought to be star clusters, while the huge arcing 
> stream
> is thought  to be a dwarf galaxy.
>
>
>
>
> By Jeanna Bryner
> Staff Writer
>
>
> Updated: 12:21 p.m. CT May 31, 2007
>
>
> HONOLULU - Newly discovered  stellar streams that arc around _our galaxy_
> (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963316/#)  might be the remnants of 
> cannibalized
> star  clusters and galaxies, scientists announced Thursday.
> The stellar streams  findings, described by the _California Institute of
> Technology's_ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963316/#)  Carl Grillmair 
> here  at a
> meeting of the American Astronomical Society, reveal our galaxy can be a
> dangerous place for passersby.
> Stellar streams are thought  to form over billions of years as our 
> galaxy's
> gravity slowly tears apart  globular clusters and even _dwarf  galaxies_
> (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070115_mm_hobbit_galaxies.html) . 
> The stars,
> which were once packed tightly together, are now  separated by 
> light-years,
> trailing one another as they jet at high speeds  through the galactic 
> halo.
>
>
>
>
>
> Grillmair and his  colleagues analyzed data from the Sloan Digital Sky
> Survey, comparing the colors  and luminosities of stars and grouping 
> similar stars
> together.
> Two of the discovered _streams_
> (http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070530_star_stream_02.jpg%20&cap=Three+new+streams+of+
> stars+were+discovered+ringing+the+Milky+Way.+The+two+closest+streams+are+thoug
> ht+to+be+star+clusters+while+the+huge+arcing+stream+is+)   are about 
> 13,000
> light-years from Earth and are likely the remains of ancient  globular
> clusters, spherical collections of hundreds of thousands of old _stars_
> (http://www.space.com/stars/) . Astronomers have identified only  about 
> 150 globular
> clusters orbiting the _Milky  Way_
> (http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?imgid=3880&gid=281)
>  
> , though they think thousands may have
> existed in the past. "

Re: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans Movie a Go at Warner Brothers

[Daryle]

actually,  it would seem we get our wish!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847197/


On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Martin wrote:

> Rght...someone here said that not too long ago. Too much  
> work, not enough fun.
>
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm with you, that would be awesome, but just about a year ago, it
> was announced that "Judas Contract" would be the animated feature,
> direct to video: http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/01/13701.php
>
> Daryle
>
> On May 31, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Martin wrote:
>
> > ONLY if they do "The Judas Contract" arc.
> >
> > Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: source: Today's
> > Hollywood Reporter
> >
> > Teen Titans growing up at Warner Bros.
> > By Borys Kit
> >
> > May 31, 2007
> > DC Comics' superteam Teen Titans is getting the big-screen treatment
> > courtesy of Warner Bros. Pictures.
> >
> > The live-action adaptation is being produced by Akiva Goldsman and
> > Kerry Foster through their Weed Road banner, while Mark Verheiden  
> has
> > been brought on board to write the script.
> >
> > The Teen Titans first appeared in 1964 as a sort of junior Justice
> > League, comprising Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and  
> Speedy,
> > the respective sidekicks of A-list heroes Batman, Flash, Aquaman,
> > Wonder Woman and Green Arrow.
> >
> > The comic series reached X-Men-style success in the 1980s, when the
> > team was relaunched in a new comic with the characters no longer  
> kids
> > but college-age adults and the stories explored more mature themes.
> > The series also saw the addition of Cyborg, Starfire and Raven,
> > original characters who weren't sidekicks, while the character of
> > Robin matured into one called Nightwing.
> >
> > Most recently, the comic was adapted to the television screen with a
> > Cartoon Network series that ran from 2003-06 that used many of the
> > '80s comics' heroes and story lines.
> >
> > It is not known which heroes will be used, but Nightwing is said to
> > be in the mix.
> >
> > Goldsman said the tone will be consistent with such recent Warners'
> > comic book fare as "Batman Begins," "Superman Returns" and the
> > upcoming "Watchmen."
> >
> > Jessica Goodman and Jesse Ehrman are overseeing for Warners.
> >
> > Gregory Noveck is overseeing for DC Comics.
> >
> > Verheiden, repped by CAA and Untitled, was a writer-producer on
> > "Smallville," the TV series that revolved around the adventures of a
> > young Clark Kent/Superman, and is a writer-producer on "Battlestar
> > Galactica." Verheiden also is a comic writer and creator, penning
> > "Timecop" and "The Mask," both of which were adapted to the big
> > screen in the early 1990s.
> >
> > Goldsman and Weed Road have several comic book movies in  
> development,
> > including "Doom Patrol" and "The Losers." He is in preproduction on
> > the superhero-themed "Tonight He Comes," starring Will Smith.
> >
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> > will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut,
> > "A Man Without A Country"
> >
> > -
> > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative  
> vehicles.
> > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[scifinoir2] AI will surpass human intelligence after 2020

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=1485956242&rid=-219

AI will surpass human intelligence after 2020

Artificial Intelligence a likely future, professor says

Peter Moon (IDG Now (Brazil))

07/05/2007


Vernor Vinge, 62, is a pioneer in artificial intelligence, who in a recent
interview warned about the risks and opportunities that an electronic
super-intelligence would offer to mankind.

Vinge is a retired San Diego State University professor of mathematics,
computer scientist, and science fiction author. He is well-known for his
1993 manifesto, "The Coming Technological Singularity, in which he argues
that exponential growth in technology means a point will be reached where
the consequences are unknown. Vinge still believes in this future, which
he thinks would come anytime after 2020.


Exactly 10 years ago, in May 1997, Deep Blue won the chess tournament
against Gary Kasparov. Was that the first glimpse of a new kind of
intelligence?

I think there was clever programming in Deep Blue, but the predictable
success came mainly from the ongoing trends in computer hardware
improvement. The result was a better-than-human performance in a single,
limited problem area. In the future, I think that improvements in both
software and hardware will bring success in other intellectual domains.


In 1993 you gave your famous, almost prophetic, speech on "Technological
Singularity." Can you please describe the concept of Singularity?

It seems plausible that with technology we can, in the fairly near future,
create (or become) creatures who surpass humans in every intellectual and
creative dimension. Events beyond such an event - such a singularity - are
as unimaginable to us as opera is to a flatworm.


Do you still believe in the coming singularity?

I think it's the most likely non-catastrophic outcome of the next few
decades.


Does the explosion of the Internet and grid computing ultimately
accelerate this event?

Yes. There are other possible paths to the Singularity, but at the least,
computer+communications+people provide a healthy setting for further
intellectual leaps.


When intelligent machines finally appear, what will they look like?

Most likely they will be less visible than computers are now. They would
mostly operate via the networks and the processors built into the ordinary
machines of our everyday life. On the other hand, the results of their
behaviour could be very spectacular changes in our physical world. (One
exception: mobile robots, even before the Singularity, will probably
become very impressive - with devices that are more agile and coordinated
than human athletes, even in open-field situations.)


How would we be certain about its conscience?

The hope and the peril is that these creatures would be our "mind
children". As with any child, there is a question of how moral they may
grow up to be, and yet there is good reason for hope. (Of course, the
peril is that these particular children are much more powerful than
natural ones.)


Stephen Hawking defended in 2001 the genetic enhancing of our species in
order to compete with intelligent machines. Do you believe it would be
feasible, even practical?

I think it's both practical and positive - and subject to the same
qualitative concerns as the computer risks. In the long run I don't think
organic biology can keep up with hardware. On the other hand, organic
biology is robust in different ways than machine hardware. The survival of
Life is best served by preserving and enhancing both strategies.


Could nanotechnology, genetic engineering and quantum computers could
represent a threat to Mankind, as Bill Joy, the former Sun executive,
warned in 2000 with his "Why the future doesn't need us"?

The world (and the universe) is full of mortal threats. Technology is the
source of some of those threats - but it has also protected us from
others. I believe that technology itself is life's surest response to the
ongoing risks.


Right now the Pentagon is employing 5,000 robots in Iraq, patrolling
cities, disarming explosives or making reconnaissance flights. The next
step is allowing them to carry weapons. Does this lead to a "Terminator"
scenario?

That's conceivable, though not a reason for turning away from robotics in
general. Old-fashioned thermonuclear world war and some types of
biowarfare are much simpler, more likely, and probably more deadly than
the "Terminator" scenario.


You set the plot of your last novel, "Rainbows End," in 2025. It's a world
where people Google all the time, everywhere, using wearable computers,
and omnipresent sensors. Do you think this is a plausible future?

It was about the most plausible (non-catastrophic) 2025 scenario that I
could think of.


It is a little scary, isn't it? Is this the great conspiracy against human
freedom?

Before the personal computer, most people thought computers were the great
enemy of freedom. When the PC came along, many people realized that
millions of computers in the ha

Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I've learned to never believe anything coming from the Sun. Must sell a 
lot of papers.

Tracey

Tracey

Martin wrote:
>
> Again, this is the *Sun* we're talking about, folks. I've heard 
> *nothing whatsoever* about this on *any* site I'm in (and I just left 
> one). I'll buy this when I see the closing credits.
>
> Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote: 
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007250185,00.html 
> 
>
> Doctor Who to get axe in 2008
>
> By GORDON SMART
> Deputy Showbiz Editor
>
> May 31, 2007
>
> HIT show Doctor Who will be EXTERMINATED next year - after the fourth
> series.
>
> Boss Russell T. Davies has decided to axe the BBC1 sci-fi drama and
> concentrate on other projects.
>
> He and senior staff have hatched a plot to hand in a group resignation in
> summer 2008.
>
> A source said: “The heavy workload - nine months of 16-hour days every
> year - has started to take its toll.
>
> “It was decided the best thing for the show was go out at the top next
> year.”
>
> Davies was behind the relaunch of Doctor Who in 2005 - 16 years after it
> was originally axed.
>
> The series, starring David Tennant as the Time Lord, is watched by eight
> million every Saturday.
>
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> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will 
> get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man 
> Without A Country"
>
> -
> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing

Re: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans Movie a Go at Warner Brothers

[Martin]

Rght...someone here said that not too long ago. Too much work, not 
enough fun.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
I'm with you, that would be awesome, but just about a year ago, it 
was announced that "Judas Contract" would be the animated feature, 
direct to video: http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/01/13701.php

Daryle

On May 31, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Martin wrote:

> ONLY if they do "The Judas Contract" arc.
>
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: source: Today's 
> Hollywood Reporter
>
> Teen Titans growing up at Warner Bros.
> By Borys Kit
>
> May 31, 2007
> DC Comics' superteam Teen Titans is getting the big-screen treatment
> courtesy of Warner Bros. Pictures.
>
> The live-action adaptation is being produced by Akiva Goldsman and
> Kerry Foster through their Weed Road banner, while Mark Verheiden has
> been brought on board to write the script.
>
> The Teen Titans first appeared in 1964 as a sort of junior Justice
> League, comprising Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and Speedy,
> the respective sidekicks of A-list heroes Batman, Flash, Aquaman,
> Wonder Woman and Green Arrow.
>
> The comic series reached X-Men-style success in the 1980s, when the
> team was relaunched in a new comic with the characters no longer kids
> but college-age adults and the stories explored more mature themes.
> The series also saw the addition of Cyborg, Starfire and Raven,
> original characters who weren't sidekicks, while the character of
> Robin matured into one called Nightwing.
>
> Most recently, the comic was adapted to the television screen with a
> Cartoon Network series that ran from 2003-06 that used many of the
> '80s comics' heroes and story lines.
>
> It is not known which heroes will be used, but Nightwing is said to
> be in the mix.
>
> Goldsman said the tone will be consistent with such recent Warners'
> comic book fare as "Batman Begins," "Superman Returns" and the
> upcoming "Watchmen."
>
> Jessica Goodman and Jesse Ehrman are overseeing for Warners.
>
> Gregory Noveck is overseeing for DC Comics.
>
> Verheiden, repped by CAA and Untitled, was a writer-producer on
> "Smallville," the TV series that revolved around the adventures of a
> young Clark Kent/Superman, and is a writer-producer on "Battlestar
> Galactica." Verheiden also is a comic writer and creator, penning
> "Timecop" and "The Mask," both of which were adapted to the big
> screen in the early 1990s.
>
> Goldsman and Weed Road have several comic book movies in development,
> including "Doom Patrol" and "The Losers." He is in preproduction on
> the superhero-themed "Tonight He Comes," starring Will Smith.
>
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels 
> will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, 
> "A Man Without A Country"
>
> -
> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.
> Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

[Martin]

One more stroke for irony- the link won't even open for me. It's *ashamed* to 
pass on another lie.

Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007250185,00.html

Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

By GORDON SMART
Deputy Showbiz Editor

May 31, 2007

HIT show Doctor Who will be EXTERMINATED next year - after the fourth
series.

Boss Russell T. Davies has decided to axe the BBC1 sci-fi drama and
concentrate on other projects.

He and senior staff have hatched a plot to hand in a group resignation in
summer 2008.

A source said: “The heavy workload - nine months of 16-hour days every
year - has started to take its toll.

“It was decided the best thing for the show was go out at the top next
year.”

Davies was behind the relaunch of Doctor Who in 2005 - 16 years after it
was originally axed.

The series, starring David Tennant as the Time Lord, is watched by eight
million every Saturday.



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Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

[Martin]

I take the first back. The Skiffy boards just posted a thread on this. The 
actual "story" got all of four comments (counting mine), and has since 
degenerated into a forum on post-Cold War economic theory. Don't ask me. I'm 
just the witness. Sorry for the terseness, but this crap is starting to rankle 
me.

Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007250185,00.html

Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

By GORDON SMART
Deputy Showbiz Editor

May 31, 2007

HIT show Doctor Who will be EXTERMINATED next year - after the fourth
series.

Boss Russell T. Davies has decided to axe the BBC1 sci-fi drama and
concentrate on other projects.

He and senior staff have hatched a plot to hand in a group resignation in
summer 2008.

A source said: “The heavy workload - nine months of 16-hour days every
year - has started to take its toll.

“It was decided the best thing for the show was go out at the top next
year.”

Davies was behind the relaunch of Doctor Who in 2005 - 16 years after it
was originally axed.

The series, starring David Tennant as the Time Lord, is watched by eight
million every Saturday.



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Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

[Martin]

Again, this is the *Sun* we're talking about, folks. I've heard *nothing 
whatsoever* about this on *any* site I'm in (and I just left one). I'll buy 
this when I see the closing credits.

Brent Wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007250185,00.html

Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

By GORDON SMART
Deputy Showbiz Editor

May 31, 2007

HIT show Doctor Who will be EXTERMINATED next year - after the fourth
series.

Boss Russell T. Davies has decided to axe the BBC1 sci-fi drama and
concentrate on other projects.

He and senior staff have hatched a plot to hand in a group resignation in
summer 2008.

A source said: “The heavy workload - nine months of 16-hour days every
year - has started to take its toll.

“It was decided the best thing for the show was go out at the top next
year.”

Davies was behind the relaunch of Doctor Who in 2005 - 16 years after it
was originally axed.

The series, starring David Tennant as the Time Lord, is watched by eight
million every Saturday.



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Re: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans Movie a Go at Warner Brothers

[Daryle]

I'm with you, that  would be awesome, but just about a year ago, it   
was announced that "Judas Contract" would be the animated feature,   
direct to  video: http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/01/13701.php

Daryle


On May 31, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Martin wrote:

> ONLY if they do "The Judas Contract" arc.
>
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: source: Today's  
> Hollywood Reporter
>
> Teen Titans growing up at Warner Bros.
> By Borys Kit
>
> May 31, 2007
> DC Comics' superteam Teen Titans is getting the big-screen treatment
> courtesy of Warner Bros. Pictures.
>
> The live-action adaptation is being produced by Akiva Goldsman and
> Kerry Foster through their Weed Road banner, while Mark Verheiden has
> been brought on board to write the script.
>
> The Teen Titans first appeared in 1964 as a sort of junior Justice
> League, comprising Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and Speedy,
> the respective sidekicks of A-list heroes Batman, Flash, Aquaman,
> Wonder Woman and Green Arrow.
>
> The comic series reached X-Men-style success in the 1980s, when the
> team was relaunched in a new comic with the characters no longer kids
> but college-age adults and the stories explored more mature themes.
> The series also saw the addition of Cyborg, Starfire and Raven,
> original characters who weren't sidekicks, while the character of
> Robin matured into one called Nightwing.
>
> Most recently, the comic was adapted to the television screen with a
> Cartoon Network series that ran from 2003-06 that used many of the
> '80s comics' heroes and story lines.
>
> It is not known which heroes will be used, but Nightwing is said to
> be in the mix.
>
> Goldsman said the tone will be consistent with such recent Warners'
> comic book fare as "Batman Begins," "Superman Returns" and the
> upcoming "Watchmen."
>
> Jessica Goodman and Jesse Ehrman are overseeing for Warners.
>
> Gregory Noveck is overseeing for DC Comics.
>
> Verheiden, repped by CAA and Untitled, was a writer-producer on
> "Smallville," the TV series that revolved around the adventures of a
> young Clark Kent/Superman, and is a writer-producer on "Battlestar
> Galactica." Verheiden also is a comic writer and creator, penning
> "Timecop" and "The Mask," both of which were adapted to the big
> screen in the early 1990s.
>
> Goldsman and Weed Road have several comic book movies in development,
> including "Doom Patrol" and "The Losers." He is in preproduction on
> the superhero-themed "Tonight He Comes," starring Will Smith.
>
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels  
> will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut,  
> "A Man Without A Country"
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Re: [scifinoir2] Sci-fi writers join war on terror

[Daryle]

To use an over-used phrase, "Are they havin' a laugh?"

Hm. Nobody had Warren Ellis' number? Are we sure we don't want to put  
together a real life "The Authority"? I'm sorry, but "Sigma" is  
nothing but a real-life version of this crew: http://www.imdb.com/ 
title/tt0120184/, and THAT didn't even work in the MOVIE. This is  
poor casting  at  its best, and this is probably the bit of  
information that drove Tony Blair to retire. It's like in  
"Independence Day",  when they show the President  Area 51. They've  
been sitting on "Sigma"  for 30 years. If THIS is the best counter- 
terrorism idea the US can come up with, we are DOOMED. I wouldn't be  
surprised if this "Sigma"  team is plan C, after the writing staff   
of "24" walked out, and J.J. Abrams said it would be easier to finish  
Star Trek 11.

On May 31, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Brent Wodehouse wrote:

> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-05-29-deviant-thinkers- 
> security_N.htm?csp=34
>
> Sci-fi writers join war on terror
>
> By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
>
> Looking to prevent the next terrorist attack, the Homeland Security
> Department is tapping into the wild imaginations of a group of
> self-described "deviant" thinkers: science-fiction writers.
>
> "We spend our entire careers living in the future," says author Arlan
> Andrews, one of a handful of writers the government brought to  
> Washington
> this month to attend a Homeland Security conference on science and
> technology.
>
> Those responsible for keeping the nation safe from devastating attacks
> realize that in addition to border agents, police and airport  
> screeners,
> they "need people to think of crazy ideas," Andrews says.
>
> The writers make up a group called Sigma, which Andrews put  
> together 15
> years ago to advise government officials. The last time the group  
> gathered
> was in the late 1990s, when members met with government scientists to
> discuss what a post-nuclear age might look like, says group member  
> Greg
> Bear. He has written 30 sci-fi books, including the best seller  
> Darwin's
> Radio.
>
> Now, the Homeland Security Department is calling on the group to  
> help with
> the government's latest top mission of combating terrorism.
>
> Although some sci-fi writers' futuristic ideas might sound crazy now,
> scientists know that they often have what seems to be an uncanny  
> ability
> to see into the future.
>
> "Fifty years ago, science-fiction writers told us about flying cars  
> and a
> wireless handheld communicator," says Christopher Kelly, spokesman for
> Homeland Security's Science and Technology division. "Although  
> flying cars
> haven't evolved, cellphones today are a way of life. We need to look
> everywhere for ideas, and science-fiction writers clearly inform the
> debate."
>
> Bear says the writers offer powerful imaginations that can conjure  
> up not
> only possible methods of attack, but also ideas about how  
> governments and
> individuals will respond and what kinds of high-tech tools could  
> prevent
> attacks.
>
> The group's motto is "Science Fiction in the National Interest." To  
> join
> the group, Andrews says, you have to have at least one technical  
> doctorate
> degree.
>
> "We're well-qualified nuts," says Jerry Pournelle, co-author of the  
> best
> sellers Footfall and Lucifer's Hammer and dozens of other books.
>
> Pournelle and others say that science-fiction writers have spent their
> lives studying the kinds of technologies and scenarios Homeland  
> Security
> officials have been tackling since the department began operating  
> in 2003.
>
> "We talk to a lot of strange people and read a lot of weird  
> things," Bear
> says.
>
> At the Washington conference, Bear offered to put biometrics  
> researchers
> in touch with movie special-effects experts. The experts might be  
> able to
> help the government determine how to match the face of someone walking
> through an airport to a grainy photo of a known terrorist.
>
> Bear's latest book, Quantico, is a sci-fi thriller that has FBI  
> agents and
> a bioterrorism expert racing to hunt down a homegrown terrorist.
>
> "We'll play 'What if?' with anything," says Sage Walker, an emergency
> medicine physician turned sci-fi writer and the only woman in the  
> group.
> She says the discussions with government officials "tend to be very
> intense and far-ranging."
>
> So are discussions between the writers. During a coffee break at the
> conference, Walker, Bear and Andrews started talking about the
> government's bomb-sniffing dogs. Within minutes, they had conjured  
> up a
> doggie brain-scanning skullcap that could tell agents what kind of
> explosive material a dog had picked up.
>
> The 9/11 Commission called the 2001 terrorist attacks a result of the
> government's "failure of imagination." For this group, Walker says,
> there's no such thing as an "unthinkable scenario."
>
> Why offer their ideas to the government instead of private  
> companies that
> pay

[scifinoir2] Doctor Who to get axe in 2008

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007250185,00.html

Doctor Who to get axe in 2008
 
By GORDON SMART
Deputy Showbiz Editor

May 31, 2007


HIT show Doctor Who will be EXTERMINATED next year - after the fourth
series.

Boss Russell T. Davies has decided to axe the BBC1 sci-fi drama and
concentrate on other projects.

He and senior staff have hatched a plot to hand in a group resignation in
summer 2008.

A source said: “The heavy workload - nine months of 16-hour days every
year - has started to take its toll.

“It was decided the best thing for the show was go out at the top next
year.”

Davies was behind the relaunch of Doctor Who in 2005 - 16 years after it
was originally axed.

The series, starring David Tennant as the Time Lord, is watched by eight
million every Saturday.

[scifinoir2] Sci-fi writers join war on terror

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-05-29-deviant-thinkers-security_N.htm?csp=34

Sci-fi writers join war on terror

By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY


Looking to prevent the next terrorist attack, the Homeland Security
Department is tapping into the wild imaginations of a group of
self-described "deviant" thinkers: science-fiction writers.

"We spend our entire careers living in the future," says author Arlan
Andrews, one of a handful of writers the government brought to Washington
this month to attend a Homeland Security conference on science and
technology.

Those responsible for keeping the nation safe from devastating attacks
realize that in addition to border agents, police and airport screeners,
they "need people to think of crazy ideas," Andrews says.

The writers make up a group called Sigma, which Andrews put together 15
years ago to advise government officials. The last time the group gathered
was in the late 1990s, when members met with government scientists to
discuss what a post-nuclear age might look like, says group member Greg
Bear. He has written 30 sci-fi books, including the best seller Darwin's
Radio.

Now, the Homeland Security Department is calling on the group to help with
the government's latest top mission of combating terrorism.

Although some sci-fi writers' futuristic ideas might sound crazy now,
scientists know that they often have what seems to be an uncanny ability
to see into the future.

"Fifty years ago, science-fiction writers told us about flying cars and a
wireless handheld communicator," says Christopher Kelly, spokesman for
Homeland Security's Science and Technology division. "Although flying cars
haven't evolved, cellphones today are a way of life. We need to look
everywhere for ideas, and science-fiction writers clearly inform the
debate."

Bear says the writers offer powerful imaginations that can conjure up not
only possible methods of attack, but also ideas about how governments and
individuals will respond and what kinds of high-tech tools could prevent
attacks.

The group's motto is "Science Fiction in the National Interest." To join
the group, Andrews says, you have to have at least one technical doctorate
degree.

"We're well-qualified nuts," says Jerry Pournelle, co-author of the best
sellers Footfall and Lucifer's Hammer and dozens of other books.

Pournelle and others say that science-fiction writers have spent their
lives studying the kinds of technologies and scenarios Homeland Security
officials have been tackling since the department began operating in 2003.

"We talk to a lot of strange people and read a lot of weird things," Bear
says.

At the Washington conference, Bear offered to put biometrics researchers
in touch with movie special-effects experts. The experts might be able to
help the government determine how to match the face of someone walking
through an airport to a grainy photo of a known terrorist.

Bear's latest book, Quantico, is a sci-fi thriller that has FBI agents and
a bioterrorism expert racing to hunt down a homegrown terrorist.

"We'll play 'What if?' with anything," says Sage Walker, an emergency
medicine physician turned sci-fi writer and the only woman in the group.
She says the discussions with government officials "tend to be very
intense and far-ranging."

So are discussions between the writers. During a coffee break at the
conference, Walker, Bear and Andrews started talking about the
government's bomb-sniffing dogs. Within minutes, they had conjured up a
doggie brain-scanning skullcap that could tell agents what kind of
explosive material a dog had picked up.

The 9/11 Commission called the 2001 terrorist attacks a result of the
government's "failure of imagination." For this group, Walker says,
there's no such thing as an "unthinkable scenario."

Why offer their ideas to the government instead of private companies that
pay big bucks?

"To save civilization," Ringworld author Larry Niven says. "We do it in
fiction. Why wouldn't we want to do it in fact?"

Re: [scifinoir2] Teen Titans Movie a Go at Warner Brothers

[Martin]

ONLY if they do "The Judas Contract" arc.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  source: Today's Hollywood Reporter

Teen Titans growing up at Warner Bros.
By Borys Kit

May 31, 2007
DC Comics' superteam Teen Titans is getting the big-screen treatment 
courtesy of Warner Bros. Pictures.

The live-action adaptation is being produced by Akiva Goldsman and 
Kerry Foster through their Weed Road banner, while Mark Verheiden has 
been brought on board to write the script.

The Teen Titans first appeared in 1964 as a sort of junior Justice 
League, comprising Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and Speedy, 
the respective sidekicks of A-list heroes Batman, Flash, Aquaman, 
Wonder Woman and Green Arrow.

The comic series reached X-Men-style success in the 1980s, when the 
team was relaunched in a new comic with the characters no longer kids 
but college-age adults and the stories explored more mature themes. 
The series also saw the addition of Cyborg, Starfire and Raven, 
original characters who weren't sidekicks, while the character of 
Robin matured into one called Nightwing.

Most recently, the comic was adapted to the television screen with a 
Cartoon Network series that ran from 2003-06 that used many of the 
'80s comics' heroes and story lines.

It is not known which heroes will be used, but Nightwing is said to 
be in the mix.

Goldsman said the tone will be consistent with such recent Warners' 
comic book fare as "Batman Begins," "Superman Returns" and the 
upcoming "Watchmen."

Jessica Goodman and Jesse Ehrman are overseeing for Warners.

Gregory Noveck is overseeing for DC Comics.

Verheiden, repped by CAA and Untitled, was a writer-producer on 
"Smallville," the TV series that revolved around the adventures of a 
young Clark Kent/Superman, and is a writer-producer on "Battlestar 
Galactica." Verheiden also is a comic writer and creator, penning 
"Timecop" and "The Mask," both of which were adapted to the big 
screen in the early 1990s.

Goldsman and Weed Road have several comic book movies in development, 
including "Doom Patrol" and "The Losers." He is in preproduction on 
the superhero-themed "Tonight He Comes," starring Will Smith.


 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Wants A Kidney? Contestants Vie for Kidney on Reality TV

[Martin]

Damn. Just plain DAMN.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Martin:

I recently applied for a civilian job in the Marine Corps office I worked
in as a Corporal and Sergeant before my honorable discharge. I did
roughly the same job on active duty that I was applying for as a civilian.

I received a nice form letter telling me I was unqualified. 
Unqualified??? For a job I spent 3 years on? That I earned a Navy
Commendation Medal for signed by the Commandant of the Marine Corps? For
a job I had received a glowing letter of recommendation signed by a Major
General?

I haven't been detained or questioned by the FBI, but I've no doubt there
is a bit of "blacklisting" at work here. My opinions and advocacy efforts
on foreign policy and civil liberties are a matter of public record.

While I worked in that office in the early 1990s, a senior officer (not
naming names) agreed with me that the Corps' homophobic campaign against
Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy was wrong and possibly illegal. 
This officer (I believe) was responsible for releasing to the media and
then-Rep Patricia Schroeder some very vile, homophobic documents (think
Family Research Council-style b.s.) that were being quietly copied and
passed around Capitol Hill by our office at government expense.

The negative media coverage and Rep. Schroeder's attention to the issue
quickly squashed the only slightly covert actions being coordinated by
individuals in the office I worked. That my views were in conflict with
the individuals involved in distributing said homophobic materials was no
secret. Naturally, I was the first person looked at on that matter. The
officer responsible for leaking the materials to Schroeder, The Blade and
the Washington Post never informed me they did it, but there was only one
likely suspect - outside of me. I didn't out the "perp" involved in this
expose as I only had a little over a year left on my six year active duty
obligation and didn't give a shit if the Corps liked it or not. The
officer responsible for the expose never discussed their actions with me -
I just wish I'd thought of it myself. After that, my BEQ room was
searched at least once and things would be put back slightly askew. I'm a
detail oriented INTJ and notice shit like that. At the time, I had no
roommate as a senior Corporal about to make Sergeant. Of course, this
prior incident with a secure-line phone disappearing didn't help me:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/view/1255/79/

I ran into one of the general officers I worked for a few years back. I
said hello and asked what he was up to since retirement. He ignored the
question, curtly wished me well and quickly moved on like he'd seen a
ghost.

I suspect the officer I believe involved in shining a spotlight on the
Corps' not-so subtle campaign against Don't Ask Don't Tell was also
responsible for pushing my Navy Commendation through the system.

My other activities probably haven't helped my standing in some people's
eyes since then. :)

Co-plaintiff (through my website The Multiracial Activist) in lawsuit
against Dept of Justice over illegal detentions:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/category/3/157/40/

Comment and advocacy letters and coalition efforts on tons of civil
liberties issues:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/category/3/85/40/
http://multiracial.com/site/content/section/10/49/

Publicly demanding Trent Lott's resignation:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/view/224/40/

At this point, I'd be surprised if I were "qualified" to cut the grass at
a government building - let alone a job I am actually over-qualified to
perform.

__
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547
AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159
MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith
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The Abolitionist Examiner - http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/
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>
> -- Original message --
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oh, I've never regaled you with the tale of the day I spent in FBI
> custody, being questioned because one of Trent Lott's staffers overreacted
> to an e-mail I sent the Fine Gentleman from Missisip?
>
> Back in '99, when Clinton was still in office, he learned that the drug
> companies (may they all end in thirst) that were primarily involved in
> AIDS vaccine research were shelving relatively short-term effective
> vaccines in warehouses all over the country (including one right here in
> Atlanta), waiting for the fiscal year to turn so that they could delcare
> the inventory as a one-penny loss and thereby get a fat tax write-off.
> Clinton said no to that, issued an executive order forcing the companies
> to ship the drugs over to Africa, where they might do some good. Mister
> Lott, fine humanitarian that he is :P, stood up on the Senate floor and
> dec

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

[Martin]

g, I didn't know that he passed on travel insurance. That's kinda telling, in 
and of itself. Maybe he had the notion of passing on his misery.

g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The guy's doctor advised him 
NOT to fly.

He decided to fly anyway.

He flew twice.

He didn't bother to buy travel insurance (which would have reimbursed 
him for the TOTAL of his trip: air, hotel, wedding, everything.)

Some folks refuse to accept personal responsibility.

Hence, I have no problem with him being locked up.

IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one... 
especially when there's the risk of of a highly contagious TB 
infecting a lot of people. Many people have weak immune systems 
(e.g., the elderly, children, etc.).

I travel a lot on cruise ships. It is standard procedure now 
ships will not let you board if you are sick. They'll give you a 
voucher to travel later. If you get sick while onboard, they'll 
quarantine you (and your spouse/family) in your cabin.

It's a (brave) new world and people have to learn to adjust to it.

Some choose to learn the hard way... and get locked up.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This is wild. Every day, I drive by the hospital where "Typhoid 
Martin" is being held. The confusion here stems around what the CDC 
and county health officials say they told him, versus what *he* says 
they told him. I'm trying to understand why, if he's been diagnosed 
since January, the agencies just now found out he had XDR TB. Not 
understanding why, even with the less-virulent strains, the health 
officials only "suggested" he stay in the States, instead of making 
it an order. But then, the officials seem to be saying they ordered 
him to stay here. Also not getting why--assuming he's telling the 
truth--the CDC didn't make arrangements to fly him from Italy on a 
CDC jet. I have to assume they would have done something like that, 
since they'd want him cured to avoid an epidemic.
> 
> Either way, while I get his fearing ineffectual treatment in Italy, 
I'm having a hard time with this man jumping on a trans-Atlantic 
flight, driving from Canada to the States while knowing he had the 
XDR version. At that point, he could have been extremely contagious. 
We could have been looking at a chain-reaction of infections if 
people on that plane, in the terminal, or at the car rental location 
had been infected by him. Hasn't he seen "Twelve Monkeys"?!
> 
> Last year I participated in a seminar sponsored by the CDC here in 
Atlanta to come up with procedures for dealing with the next deadly 
worldwide flu pandemic. (And if you want nightmares, read about the 
flu pandemic of 1918). One of our major concerns was how health 
officials could track and warn infected people in this world of 
international travel. Scenarios exactly like this were discussed, 
where stubborn or fearful people defy orders and do their own thing. 
How far does the medical community go to issue quarantines to prevent 
epidemic? When do personal freedosm get abridged for the common good? 
This is exactly what we meant. Something broke down here. And just 
imagine if this guy had been infected with a deadly new mutation of 
influenza. Then we really could have been talking about an pandemic. 
That's scary...
> 
> *** 
> 
> Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain
> CDC issues rare isolation order; air passengers warned
> 
> By ALISON YOUNG
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Published on: 05/30/07 
> An Atlanta-area man — infected with a rare, potentially deadly type 
of tuberculosis — is under federal quarantine at Grady Memorial 
Hospital with an armed sheriff's deputy outside his door following 
his odyssey on international flights, including some to smuggle 
himself back into the country.
> The globe-trotting tale of the man, his fiancee, their wedding and 
honeymoon abroad — and conflicting recollections of what he was told 
about his disease and whether he could travel — culminated Tuesday 
with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issuing an 
international health alert.





 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

[Martin]

This tells me that the Guv'mint has our best interests in mind... :P

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  completely agree with you. I learned last night that 
he already knew he had disease resistant TB before he even left the country. It 
was only after he left that it was discovered he had *extremely* drug resistant 
TB. Regular TB's bad enough, he knew he had a more dangerous version, yet left 
anyway. And as we all suspected, the CDC says they had no intention of forcing 
him to stay in Rome and get the wrong treatment. They were working on bringing 
him back to the States when he fled.

Again, I shudder to think would could have happened had his TB been more 
contagious, or if he'd been carrying a new strain of influenza. He may not have 
committed a crime, but I wouldn't complain if he were held financially culpable 
in some way. There's a lot of discussion in the health care and international 
circles aout why he wasn't *ordered* to stay home from the get-go. Evidently 
there's concern about limiting his personal freedom at that earlier stage. I 
guess there's fear of the social and legal ramifications and precedence set of 
ordering an American to stay home when his good judgement could do the same 
thing. And there was concern that the system in place which can order a person 
not to go anywhere would have triggered the very coverage and worry we're now 
seeing as it became known. But I guess in the future they might have to risk 
it...

-- Original message -- 
From: "g123curious" 
The guy's doctor advised him NOT to fly.

He decided to fly anyway.

He flew twice.

He didn't bother to buy travel insurance (which would have reimbursed 
him for the TOTAL of his trip: air, hotel, wedding, everything.)

Some folks refuse to accept personal responsibility.

Hence, I have no problem with him being locked up.

IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one... 
especially when there's the risk of of a highly contagious TB 
infecting a lot of people. Many people have weak immune systems 
(e.g., the elderly, children, etc.).

I travel a lot on cruise ships. It is standard procedure now 
ships will not let you board if you are sick. They'll give you a 
voucher to travel later. If you get sick while onboard, they'll 
quarantine you (and your spouse/family) in your cabin.

It's a (brave) new world and people have to learn to adjust to it.

Some choose to learn the hard way... and get locked up.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This is wild. Every day, I drive by the hospital where "Typhoid 
Martin" is being held. The confusion here stems around what the CDC 
and county health officials say they told him, versus what *he* says 
they told him. I'm trying to understand why, if he's been diagnosed 
since January, the agencies just now found out he had XDR TB. Not 
understanding why, even with the less-virulent strains, the health 
officials only "suggested" he stay in the States, instead of making 
it an order. But then, the officials seem to be saying they ordered 
him to stay here. Also not getting why--assuming he's telling the 
truth--the CDC didn't make arrangements to fly him from Italy on a 
CDC jet. I have to assume they would have done something like that, 
since they'd want him cured to avoid an epidemic.
> 
> Either way, while I get his fearing ineffectual treatment in Italy, 
I'm having a hard time with this man jumping on a trans-Atlantic 
flight, driving from Canada to the States while knowing he had the 
XDR version. At that point, he could have been extremely contagious. 
We could have been looking at a chain-reaction of infections if 
people on that plane, in the terminal, or at the car rental location 
had been infected by him. Hasn't he seen "Twelve Monkeys"?!
> 
> Last year I participated in a seminar sponsored by the CDC here in 
Atlanta to come up with procedures for dealing with the next deadly 
worldwide flu pandemic. (And if you want nightmares, read about the 
flu pandemic of 1918). One of our major concerns was how health 
officials could track and warn infected people in this world of 
international travel. Scenarios exactly like this were discussed, 
where stubborn or fearful people defy orders and do their own thing. 
How far does the medical community go to issue quarantines to prevent 
epidemic? When do personal freedosm get abridged for the common good? 
This is exactly what we meant. Something broke down here. And just 
imagine if this guy had been infected with a deadly new mutation of 
influenza. Then we really could have been talking about an pandemic. 
That's scary...
> 
> *** 
> 
> Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain
> CDC issues rare isolation order; air passengers warned
> 
> By ALISON YOUNG
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Published on: 05/30/07 
> An Atlanta-area man — infected with a rare, potentially deadly type 
of tuberculosis — is under federal quarant

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

[Martin]

Bosco, I've been wearing that hat for awhile now.

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Turns out the guys is a lawyer 
and his father in law works at the
CDC, studying diseases like TB. How awesome is that? I am now
definitely thinking he may not be being entirely truthful about what
he knew and what he was told. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

As the tard population continues to increase exponentially, I am
becoming more of the opinion that some people just need to be
euthanized for the good of the many. Color my mood facist.

Bosco
--- g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The guy's doctor advised him NOT to fly.
> 
> He decided to fly anyway.
> 
> He flew twice.
> 
> He didn't bother to buy travel insurance (which would have
> reimbursed 
> him for the TOTAL of his trip: air, hotel, wedding, everything.)
> 
> Some folks refuse to accept personal responsibility.
> 
> Hence, I have no problem with him being locked up.
> 
> IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one... 
> especially when there's the risk of of a highly contagious TB 
> infecting a lot of people. Many people have weak immune systems 
> (e.g., the elderly, children, etc.).
> 
> I travel a lot on cruise ships. It is standard procedure now 
> ships will not let you board if you are sick. They'll give you a 
> voucher to travel later. If you get sick while onboard, they'll 
> quarantine you (and your spouse/family) in your cabin.
> 
> It's a (brave) new world and people have to learn to adjust to it.
> 
> Some choose to learn the hard way... and get locked up.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > This is wild. Every day, I drive by the hospital where "Typhoid 
> Martin" is being held. The confusion here stems around what the CDC
> 
> and county health officials say they told him, versus what *he*
> says 
> they told him. I'm trying to understand why, if he's been diagnosed
> 
> since January, the agencies just now found out he had XDR TB. Not 
> understanding why, even with the less-virulent strains, the health 
> officials only "suggested" he stay in the States, instead of making
> 
> it an order. But then, the officials seem to be saying they ordered
> 
> him to stay here. Also not getting why--assuming he's telling the 
> truth--the CDC didn't make arrangements to fly him from Italy on a 
> CDC jet. I have to assume they would have done something like that,
> 
> since they'd want him cured to avoid an epidemic.
> > 
> > Either way, while I get his fearing ineffectual treatment in
> Italy, 
> I'm having a hard time with this man jumping on a trans-Atlantic 
> flight, driving from Canada to the States while knowing he had the
> 
> XDR version. At that point, he could have been extremely
> contagious. 
> We could have been looking at a chain-reaction of infections if 
> people on that plane, in the terminal, or at the car rental
> location 
> had been infected by him. Hasn't he seen "Twelve Monkeys"?!
> > 
> > Last year I participated in a seminar sponsored by the CDC here
> in 
> Atlanta to come up with procedures for dealing with the next deadly
> 
> worldwide flu pandemic. (And if you want nightmares, read about the
> 
> flu pandemic of 1918). One of our major concerns was how health 
> officials could track and warn infected people in this world of 
> international travel. Scenarios exactly like this were discussed, 
> where stubborn or fearful people defy orders and do their own
> thing. 
> How far does the medical community go to issue quarantines to
> prevent 
> epidemic? When do personal freedosm get abridged for the common
> good? 
> This is exactly what we meant. Something broke down here. And just 
> imagine if this guy had been infected with a deadly new mutation of
> 
> influenza. Then we really could have been talking about an
> pandemic. 
> That's scary...
> > 
> > *** 
> > 
> > Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain
> > CDC issues rare isolation order; air passengers warned
> > 
> > By ALISON YOUNG
> > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> > Published on: 05/30/07 
> > An Atlanta-area man — infected with a rare, potentially deadly
> type 
> of tuberculosis — is under federal quarantine at Grady Memorial 
> Hospital with an armed sheriff's deputy outside his door following 
> his odyssey on international flights, including some to smuggle 
> himself back into the country.
> > The globe-trotting tale 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

[KeithBJohnson]

completely agree with you. I learned last night that he already knew he had 
disease resistant TB before he even left the country. It was only after he left 
that it was discovered he had *extremely* drug resistant TB. Regular TB's bad 
enough, he knew he had a more dangerous version, yet left anyway. And as we all 
suspected, the CDC says they had no intention of forcing him to stay in Rome 
and get the wrong treatment. They were working on bringing him back to the 
States when he fled.

Again, I shudder to think would could have happened had his TB been more 
contagious, or if he'd been carrying a new strain of influenza. He may not have 
committed a crime, but I wouldn't complain if he were held financially culpable 
in some way.   There's a lot of discussion in the health care and international 
circles aout why he wasn't *ordered* to stay home from the get-go. Evidently 
there's concern about limiting his personal freedom at that earlier stage. I 
guess there's fear of the social and legal ramifications and precedence set of 
ordering an American to stay home when his good judgement could do the same 
thing. And there was concern that the system in place which can order a person 
not to go anywhere would have triggered the very coverage and worry we're now 
seeing as it became known.  But I guess in the future they might have to risk 
it...

-- Original message -- 
From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
The guy's doctor advised him NOT to fly.

He decided to fly anyway.

He flew twice.

He didn't bother to buy travel insurance (which would have reimbursed 
him for the TOTAL of his trip: air, hotel, wedding, everything.)

Some folks refuse to accept personal responsibility.

Hence, I have no problem with him being locked up.

IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one... 
especially when there's the risk of of a highly contagious TB 
infecting a lot of people. Many people have weak immune systems 
(e.g., the elderly, children, etc.).

I travel a lot on cruise ships. It is standard procedure now 
ships will not let you board if you are sick. They'll give you a 
voucher to travel later. If you get sick while onboard, they'll 
quarantine you (and your spouse/family) in your cabin.

It's a (brave) new world and people have to learn to adjust to it.

Some choose to learn the hard way... and get locked up.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This is wild. Every day, I drive by the hospital where "Typhoid 
Martin" is being held. The confusion here stems around what the CDC 
and county health officials say they told him, versus what *he* says 
they told him. I'm trying to understand why, if he's been diagnosed 
since January, the agencies just now found out he had XDR TB. Not 
understanding why, even with the less-virulent strains, the health 
officials only "suggested" he stay in the States, instead of making 
it an order. But then, the officials seem to be saying they ordered 
him to stay here. Also not getting why--assuming he's telling the 
truth--the CDC didn't make arrangements to fly him from Italy on a 
CDC jet. I have to assume they would have done something like that, 
since they'd want him cured to avoid an epidemic.
> 
> Either way, while I get his fearing ineffectual treatment in Italy, 
I'm having a hard time with this man jumping on a trans-Atlantic 
flight, driving from Canada to the States while knowing he had the 
XDR version. At that point, he could have been extremely contagious. 
We could have been looking at a chain-reaction of infections if 
people on that plane, in the terminal, or at the car rental location 
had been infected by him. Hasn't he seen "Twelve Monkeys"?!
> 
> Last year I participated in a seminar sponsored by the CDC here in 
Atlanta to come up with procedures for dealing with the next deadly 
worldwide flu pandemic. (And if you want nightmares, read about the 
flu pandemic of 1918). One of our major concerns was how health 
officials could track and warn infected people in this world of 
international travel. Scenarios exactly like this were discussed, 
where stubborn or fearful people defy orders and do their own thing. 
How far does the medical community go to issue quarantines to prevent 
epidemic? When do personal freedosm get abridged for the common good? 
This is exactly what we meant. Something broke down here. And just 
imagine if this guy had been infected with a deadly new mutation of 
influenza. Then we really could have been talking about an pandemic. 
That's scary...
> 
> *** 
> 
> Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain
> CDC issues rare isolation order; air passengers warned
> 
> By ALISON YOUNG
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Published on: 05/30/07 
> An Atlanta-area man — infected with a rare, potentially deadly type 
of tuberculosis — is under federal quarantine at Grady Memorial 
Hospital with an armed sheriff's deputy outside hi

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

[Bosco Bosco]

Turns out the guys is a lawyer and his father in law works at the
CDC, studying diseases like TB. How awesome is that? I am now
definitely thinking he may not be being entirely truthful about what
he knew and what he was told. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

As the tard population continues to increase exponentially, I am
becoming more of the opinion that some people just need to be
euthanized for the good of the many. Color my mood facist.

Bosco
--- g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The guy's doctor advised him NOT to fly.
> 
> He decided to fly anyway.
> 
> He flew twice.
> 
> He didn't bother to buy travel insurance (which would have
> reimbursed 
> him for the TOTAL of his trip: air, hotel, wedding, everything.)
> 
> Some folks refuse to accept personal responsibility.
> 
> Hence, I have no problem with him being locked up.
> 
> IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one... 
> especially when there's the risk of of a highly contagious TB 
> infecting a lot of people. Many people have weak immune systems 
> (e.g., the elderly, children, etc.).
> 
> I travel a lot on cruise ships. It is standard procedure now 
> ships will not let you board if you are sick. They'll give you a 
> voucher to travel later. If you get sick while onboard, they'll 
> quarantine you (and your spouse/family) in your cabin.
> 
> It's a (brave) new world and people have to learn to adjust to it.
> 
> Some choose to learn the hard way... and get locked up.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > This is wild. Every day,  I drive by the hospital where "Typhoid 
> Martin" is being held. The confusion here stems around what the CDC
> 
> and county health officials say they told him, versus what *he*
> says 
> they told him. I'm trying to understand why, if he's been diagnosed
> 
> since January, the agencies just now found out he had XDR TB. Not 
> understanding why, even with the less-virulent strains, the health 
> officials only "suggested" he stay in the States, instead of making
> 
> it an order. But then, the officials seem to be saying they ordered
> 
> him to stay here. Also not getting why--assuming he's telling the 
> truth--the CDC didn't make arrangements to fly him from Italy on a 
> CDC jet. I have to assume they would have done something like that,
> 
> since they'd want him cured to avoid an epidemic.
> > 
> > Either way, while I get his fearing ineffectual treatment in
> Italy, 
> I'm having a hard time with this man jumping on a trans-Atlantic 
> flight,  driving from Canada to the States while knowing he had the
> 
> XDR version.  At that point, he could have been extremely
> contagious. 
> We could have been looking at a chain-reaction of infections if 
> people on that plane, in the terminal, or at the car rental
> location 
> had been infected by him. Hasn't he seen "Twelve Monkeys"?!
> > 
> > Last year I participated in a seminar sponsored by the CDC here
> in 
> Atlanta to come up with procedures for dealing with the next deadly
> 
> worldwide flu pandemic. (And if you want nightmares, read about the
> 
> flu pandemic of 1918).  One of our major concerns was how health 
> officials could track and warn infected people in this world of 
> international travel. Scenarios exactly like this were discussed, 
> where stubborn or fearful people defy orders and do their own
> thing. 
> How far does the medical community go to issue quarantines to
> prevent 
> epidemic? When do personal freedosm get abridged for the common
> good? 
> This is exactly what we meant. Something broke down here. And just 
> imagine if this guy had been infected with a deadly new mutation of
> 
> influenza. Then we really could have been talking about an
> pandemic.  
> That's scary...
> > 
> > *** 
> > 
> > Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain
> > CDC issues rare isolation order; air passengers warned
> > 
> > By ALISON YOUNG
> > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> > Published on: 05/30/07 
> > An Atlanta-area man — infected with a rare, potentially deadly
> type 
> of tuberculosis — is under federal quarantine at Grady Memorial 
> Hospital with an armed sheriff's deputy outside his door following 
> his odyssey on international flights, including some to smuggle 
> himself back into the country.
> > The globe-trotting tale of the man, his fiancee, their wedding
> and 
> honeymoon abroad — and conflicting 

[scifinoir2] Air-Car Ready for Mass Production

[KeithBJohnson]

Fascinating. It may not fly here in the States, but nice to know that people 
are looking at options other than burning coal or corn-based fuel. If more of 
us could live and work and play close to home, I could see having little 
vehicles like this just to run errands or run to the movies on the weekends. I 
have two grocery stores, a Best Buy, Target, shopping mall, and my gym all 
within five miles of where I live, and I can take residential roads to all of 
them. Even expanding to other malls, restaurants, and theatres, I could 
probably get by with travelling within a ten mile radius of my house on the 
weekends. I could sho' 'nuff blow around to them in an air car!
Of course, the ultimate solution is going to be a combination of 
solutions--fuel cell cars, battery-powered cars, more efficient gasoline and 
ethanol burning vehicles. And especially, *better* and more *efficient* mass 
transit.  If we could get light rail, monorail, and electric buses in our major 
cities, and get them on widespread routes, it'd make a huge difference. 
Americans wanna drive everywhere, though.
What's it gonna take for us to really get behind research into alternative 
fuels and ways to cut back on hydrocarbon-producing vehicles: a nuclear war? A 
"Soylent Green" scenario?   
 **
Air-Car Ready for Mass Production
By Bob Ewing
The world's first commercial compressed air-powered vehicle is rolling towards 
the production line. The Air Car, developed by ex-Formula One engineer Guy 
Nègre, will be built by India's largest automaker, Tata Motors. 
The Air Car uses compressed air to push its engine's pistons. It is anticipated 
that approximately 6000 Air Cars will be cruising the streets of India by 2008. 
If the manufacturers have no surprises up their exhaust pipes the car will be 
practical and reasonably priced. The CityCat model will clock out at 68 mph 
with a driving range of 125 miles. 
Refueling is simple and will only take a few minutes. That is, if you live 
nearby a gas station with custom air compressor units. The cost of a fill up is 
approximately $2.00. If a driver doesn't have access to a compressor station, 
they will be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car's built-in 
compressor to refill the tank in about 4 hours.
The compressed air technology is basically just a way of storing electrical 
energy without the need for costly, heavy, and occasionally toxic batteries. 
So, in a sense, this is an electric car. It just doesn't have an electric motor.
But don't let anyone tell you this is an "emissions free" vehicle. Sure, the 
only thing coming out of the tailpipe is air. But, chances are, fossil fuels 
were burned to create the electricity. In India, that mostly means coal. But 
the carbon emissions per mile of these things still far outdoes any gasoline 
car on the market.

Unfortunately, the streets of North America may never see the Air Car, though; 
it's light-weight, glued-together fiberglass construction might not do so well 
in our crash tests. However, that does not mean the Air car is confined to the 
sub-continent. Nègre has signed deals to bring its design to 12 more countries, 
including Germany, Israel and South Africa.
And this isn't the last we'll hear of the technology. The folks making the Air 
Car are already working on a hybrid version that would use an on-board, 
gasoline-powered compressor to refill the air tanks when they run low. Negre 
says that technology could easily squeeze a cross country trip out of one tank 
of gasoline. 

A variety of videos (of varying quality) on this technology can be found on 
YouTube, or after the jump.

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[scifinoir2] Re: Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

[g123curious]

The guy's doctor advised him NOT to fly.

He decided to fly anyway.

He flew twice.

He didn't bother to buy travel insurance (which would have reimbursed 
him for the TOTAL of his trip: air, hotel, wedding, everything.)

Some folks refuse to accept personal responsibility.

Hence, I have no problem with him being locked up.

IMHO, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one... 
especially when there's the risk of of a highly contagious TB 
infecting a lot of people. Many people have weak immune systems 
(e.g., the elderly, children, etc.).

I travel a lot on cruise ships. It is standard procedure now 
ships will not let you board if you are sick. They'll give you a 
voucher to travel later. If you get sick while onboard, they'll 
quarantine you (and your spouse/family) in your cabin.

It's a (brave) new world and people have to learn to adjust to it.

Some choose to learn the hard way... and get locked up.

George


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This is wild. Every day,  I drive by the hospital where "Typhoid 
Martin" is being held. The confusion here stems around what the CDC 
and county health officials say they told him, versus what *he* says 
they told him. I'm trying to understand why, if he's been diagnosed 
since January, the agencies just now found out he had XDR TB. Not 
understanding why, even with the less-virulent strains, the health 
officials only "suggested" he stay in the States, instead of making 
it an order. But then, the officials seem to be saying they ordered 
him to stay here. Also not getting why--assuming he's telling the 
truth--the CDC didn't make arrangements to fly him from Italy on a 
CDC jet. I have to assume they would have done something like that, 
since they'd want him cured to avoid an epidemic.
> 
> Either way, while I get his fearing ineffectual treatment in Italy, 
I'm having a hard time with this man jumping on a trans-Atlantic 
flight,  driving from Canada to the States while knowing he had the 
XDR version.  At that point, he could have been extremely contagious. 
We could have been looking at a chain-reaction of infections if 
people on that plane, in the terminal, or at the car rental location 
had been infected by him. Hasn't he seen "Twelve Monkeys"?!
> 
> Last year I participated in a seminar sponsored by the CDC here in 
Atlanta to come up with procedures for dealing with the next deadly 
worldwide flu pandemic. (And if you want nightmares, read about the 
flu pandemic of 1918).  One of our major concerns was how health 
officials could track and warn infected people in this world of 
international travel. Scenarios exactly like this were discussed, 
where stubborn or fearful people defy orders and do their own thing. 
How far does the medical community go to issue quarantines to prevent 
epidemic? When do personal freedosm get abridged for the common good? 
This is exactly what we meant. Something broke down here. And just 
imagine if this guy had been infected with a deadly new mutation of 
influenza. Then we really could have been talking about an pandemic.  
That's scary...
> 
> *** 
> 
> Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain
> CDC issues rare isolation order; air passengers warned
> 
> By ALISON YOUNG
> The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Published on: 05/30/07 
> An Atlanta-area man — infected with a rare, potentially deadly type 
of tuberculosis — is under federal quarantine at Grady Memorial 
Hospital with an armed sheriff's deputy outside his door following 
his odyssey on international flights, including some to smuggle 
himself back into the country.
> The globe-trotting tale of the man, his fiancee, their wedding and 
honeymoon abroad — and conflicting recollections of what he was told 
about his disease and whether he could travel — culminated Tuesday 
with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issuing an 
international health alert.

[scifinoir2] combining Dr Who and study

[being_marian]

An academic approach to Dr Who and Christianity - really

http://ntgateway.com/weblog/2007/05/doctor-who-human-nature-and-
kenosis.html

[scifinoir2] Teen Titans Movie a Go at Warner Brothers

[Daryle]

source:  Today's Hollywood Reporter

Teen Titans growing up at Warner Bros.
By Borys Kit

May 31, 2007
DC Comics' superteam Teen Titans is getting the big-screen treatment  
courtesy of Warner Bros. Pictures.

The live-action adaptation is being produced by Akiva Goldsman and  
Kerry Foster through their Weed Road banner, while Mark Verheiden has  
been brought on board to write the script.

The Teen Titans first appeared in 1964 as a sort of junior Justice  
League, comprising Robin, Kid Flash, Aqualad, Wonder Girl and Speedy,  
the respective sidekicks of A-list heroes Batman, Flash, Aquaman,  
Wonder Woman and Green Arrow.

The comic series reached X-Men-style success in the 1980s, when the  
team was relaunched in a new comic with the characters no longer kids  
but college-age adults and the stories explored more mature themes.  
The series also saw the addition of Cyborg, Starfire and Raven,  
original characters who weren't sidekicks, while the character of  
Robin matured into one called Nightwing.

Most recently, the comic was adapted to the television screen with a  
Cartoon Network series that ran from 2003-06 that used many of the  
'80s comics' heroes and story lines.

It is not known which heroes will be used, but Nightwing is said to  
be in the mix.

Goldsman said the tone will be consistent with such recent Warners'  
comic book fare as "Batman Begins," "Superman Returns" and the  
upcoming "Watchmen."

Jessica Goodman and Jesse Ehrman are overseeing for Warners.

Gregory Noveck is overseeing for DC Comics.

Verheiden, repped by CAA and Untitled, was a writer-producer on  
"Smallville," the TV series that revolved around the adventures of a  
young Clark Kent/Superman, and is a writer-producer on "Battlestar  
Galactica." Verheiden also is a comic writer and creator, penning  
"Timecop" and "The Mask," both of which were adapted to the big  
screen in the early 1990s.

Goldsman and Weed Road have several comic book movies in development,  
including "Doom Patrol" and "The Losers." He is in preproduction on  
the superhero-themed "Tonight He Comes," starring Will Smith.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Wants A Kidney? Contestants Vie for Kidney on Reality TV

[james]

Martin:

I recently applied for a civilian job in the Marine Corps office I worked
in as a Corporal and Sergeant before my honorable discharge.  I did
roughly the same job on active duty that I was applying for as a civilian.

I received a nice form letter telling me I was unqualified. 
Unqualified???  For a job I spent 3 years on?  That I earned a Navy
Commendation Medal for signed by the Commandant of the Marine Corps?  For
a job I had received a glowing letter of recommendation signed by a Major
General?

I haven't been detained or questioned by the FBI, but I've no doubt there
is a bit of "blacklisting" at work here. My opinions and advocacy efforts
on foreign policy and civil liberties are a matter of public record.

While I worked in that office in the early 1990s, a senior officer (not
naming names) agreed with me that the Corps' homophobic campaign against
Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy was wrong and possibly illegal. 
This officer (I believe) was responsible for releasing to the media and
then-Rep Patricia Schroeder some very vile, homophobic documents (think
Family Research Council-style b.s.) that were being quietly copied and
passed around Capitol Hill by our office at government expense.

The negative media coverage and Rep. Schroeder's attention to the issue
quickly squashed the only slightly covert actions being coordinated by
individuals in the office I worked.  That my views were in conflict with
the individuals involved in distributing said homophobic materials was no
secret.  Naturally, I was the first person looked at on that matter.  The
officer responsible for leaking the materials to Schroeder, The Blade and
the Washington Post never informed me they did it, but there was only one
likely suspect - outside of me.  I didn't out the "perp" involved in this
expose as I only had a little over a year left on my six year active duty
obligation and didn't give a shit if the Corps liked it or not.  The
officer responsible for the expose never discussed their actions with me -
I just wish I'd thought of it myself.  After that, my BEQ room was
searched at least once and things would be put back slightly askew.  I'm a
detail oriented INTJ and notice shit like that.  At the time, I had no
roommate as a senior Corporal about to make Sergeant.  Of course, this
prior incident with a secure-line phone disappearing didn't help me:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/view/1255/79/

I ran into one of the general officers I worked for a few years back.  I
said hello and asked what he was up to since retirement.  He ignored the
question, curtly wished me well and quickly moved on like he'd seen a
ghost.

I suspect the officer I believe involved in shining a spotlight on the
Corps' not-so subtle campaign against Don't Ask Don't Tell was also
responsible for pushing my Navy Commendation through the system.

My other activities probably haven't helped my standing in some people's
eyes since then. :)

Co-plaintiff (through my website The Multiracial Activist) in lawsuit
against Dept of Justice over illegal detentions:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/category/3/157/40/

Comment and advocacy letters and coalition efforts on tons of civil
liberties issues:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/category/3/85/40/
http://multiracial.com/site/content/section/10/49/

Publicly demanding Trent Lott's resignation:
http://jameslandrith.com/content/view/224/40/

At this point, I'd be surprised if I were "qualified" to cut the grass at
a government building - let alone a job I am actually over-qualified to
perform.

__
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547
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MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith
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The Abolitionist Examiner - http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/
__


>
> -- Original message --
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oh, I've never regaled you with the tale of the day I spent in FBI
> custody, being questioned because one of Trent Lott's staffers overreacted
> to an e-mail I sent the Fine Gentleman from Missisip?
>
> Back in '99, when Clinton was still in office, he learned that the drug
> companies (may they all end in thirst) that were primarily involved in
> AIDS vaccine research were shelving relatively short-term effective
> vaccines in warehouses all over the country (including one right here in
> Atlanta), waiting for the fiscal year to turn so that they could delcare
> the inventory as a one-penny loss and thereby get a fat tax write-off.
> Clinton said no to that, issued an executive order forcing the companies
> to ship the drugs over to Africa, where they might do some good. Mister
> Lott, fine humanitarian that he is :P, stood up on the Senate floor and
> decried Clinton's EO as being

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Wants A Kidney? Contestants Vie for Kidney on Reality TV

[Martin]

Wish I were. Another reason I feel for those poor souls at Gitmo. They're 
probably getting *worse* than I did, which was no more than constant psych 
warfare.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You are *kidding* me?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Oh, I've never regaled you with the tale of the day I spent in FBI custody, 
being questioned because one of Trent Lott's staffers overreacted to an e-mail 
I sent the Fine Gentleman from Missisip?

Back in '99, when Clinton was still in office, he learned that the drug 
companies (may they all end in thirst) that were primarily involved in AIDS 
vaccine research were shelving relatively short-term effective vaccines in 
warehouses all over the country (including one right here in Atlanta), waiting 
for the fiscal year to turn so that they could delcare the inventory as a 
one-penny loss and thereby get a fat tax write-off. Clinton said no to that, 
issued an executive order forcing the companies to ship the drugs over to 
Africa, where they might do some good. Mister Lott, fine humanitarian that he 
is :P, stood up on the Senate floor and decried Clinton's EO as being "bad for 
business". When I saw that on C-SPAN, it took me eight seconds to get online 
and write himan e-mail, for daring to place the corporate bottom line over 
human life. The next day, my cousin Mae, an ex-FBI agent, calls me up and asks 
"What the *hell* did you do? You're red-flagging every terminal in
D.C.! You need to go to the regional FBI office and talk to them about it." I 
did. 

After eleven hours of chatting (mostly one-sded, *theirs*), I finally learned 
that *they hadn't even read the danged e-mail I sent*. I borrowed the agent's 
nice, shiny laptop, called up my copy of the missive and let him read it. He 
tore up my file and drove me home.

Your tax dollars at work, gentlefolk. :P

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Details, man, details!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Keith- *ix-nay* on the *ideas-ay*...considering my status with HomeInsec, I'm 
likely to be one of the first contestants...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Can "Death Race 2000" or "The Running Man" type 
reality shows be too far behind?

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" 
And the losers...die? Now THAT's entertainment!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote:
>
> http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=3222844
> 
> Contestants Vie for Kidney on Dutch Reality TV
> 
> Government Condemns Show; Station Argues Program Will Raise Awareness
> 
> By AMMU KANNAMPILLY and FABIOLA ANTEZANA
> 
> May 29, 2007 —
> 
> For most patients around the world in need of a kidney, life is an
> interminable waiting game for an elusive matching donor.
> 
> The Netherlands is no different. According to Bert Elbertse, publicity
> director for the leading Dutch health organization, NIGZ, waiting
> lists for a kidney stretch to a grueling four and a half years, on
> average.
> 
> But for one Dutch citizen, the wait just got shorter.
> 
> This Friday three patients will compete to receive a kidney from a
> terminally ill young woman, 37-year-old "Lisa."
> 
> Dutch TV channel BNN and the producers of the controversial U.K.-based
> reality show "Big Brother" have come together to produce "Big Donor
Show."
> 
> The program, which will be broadcast live on BNN this Friday, will
> show the three "contestants" (each of whom is a match for Lisa's
> organs) vying for one of her kidneys.
> 
> Unhappy with the prevailing policy on donor anonymity in the
> Netherlands, Lisa decided that she wanted to know the person who would
> receive her kidney while she was still alive.
> 
> On the show, the three prospective recipients will share details of
> their lives and discuss the day-to-day challenges they face. The
> 90-minute broadcast will also feature interviews with each candidate's
> family and friends.
> 
> All this in a bid to elicit sympathy not just from Lisa, but, more
> importantly, the viewers.
> 
> Executives Defend Show
> 
> When ABCNEWS.com contacted Laurens Drillich, BNN chairman, he
> acknowledged that "the program is tasteless." But, he added, "the
> reality of having to wait years for organs is much more tasteless, in
> my opinion."
> 
> "At least in this case," he said, "the contestants in the show have a
> 33 percent chance of getting a new kidney. They would have to wait
> much longer in real life for the same deal."
> 
> Dutch politicians and media commentators have been quick to censure
> BNN for exploiting such a serious issue for a ratings grab.
> 
> The network, however, argues that its motives are not commercial in
> the slightest. In an interview with ABCNEWS.com, Drillich insisted
> that "BNN is a public TV channel, not a commercial channel. We are not
> selling ads, we will not be charging viewers to vote by text message,
> we have no intention of making money from this show."
> 
> Why do it then, in the face of such intense criticism?
> 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Wants A Kidney? Contestants Vie for Kidney on Reality TV

[KeithBJohnson]

You are *kidding* me?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Oh, I've never regaled you with the tale of the day I spent in FBI custody, 
being questioned because one of Trent Lott's staffers overreacted to an e-mail 
I sent the Fine Gentleman from Missisip?

Back in '99, when Clinton was still in office, he learned that the drug 
companies (may they all end in thirst) that were primarily involved in AIDS 
vaccine research were shelving relatively short-term effective vaccines in 
warehouses all over the country (including one right here in Atlanta), waiting 
for the fiscal year to turn so that they could delcare the inventory as a 
one-penny loss and thereby get a fat tax write-off. Clinton said no to that, 
issued an executive order forcing the companies to ship the drugs over to 
Africa, where they might do some good. Mister Lott, fine humanitarian that he 
is :P, stood up on the Senate floor and decried Clinton's EO as being "bad for 
business". When I saw that on C-SPAN, it took me eight seconds to get online 
and write himan e-mail, for daring to place the corporate bottom line over 
human life. The next day, my cousin Mae, an ex-FBI agent, calls me up and asks 
"What the *hell* did you do? You're red-flagging every terminal in
D.C.! You need to go to the regional FBI office and talk to them about it." I 
did. 

After eleven hours of chatting (mostly one-sded, *theirs*), I finally learned 
that *they hadn't even read the danged e-mail I sent*. I borrowed the agent's 
nice, shiny laptop, called up my copy of the missive and let him read it. He 
tore up my file and drove me home.

Your tax dollars at work, gentlefolk. :P

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Details, man, details!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Keith- *ix-nay* on the *ideas-ay*...considering my status with HomeInsec, I'm 
likely to be one of the first contestants...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Can "Death Race 2000" or "The Running Man" type 
reality shows be too far behind?

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" 
And the losers...die? Now THAT's entertainment!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote:
>
> http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=3222844
> 
> Contestants Vie for Kidney on Dutch Reality TV
> 
> Government Condemns Show; Station Argues Program Will Raise Awareness
> 
> By AMMU KANNAMPILLY and FABIOLA ANTEZANA
> 
> May 29, 2007 —
> 
> For most patients around the world in need of a kidney, life is an
> interminable waiting game for an elusive matching donor.
> 
> The Netherlands is no different. According to Bert Elbertse, publicity
> director for the leading Dutch health organization, NIGZ, waiting
> lists for a kidney stretch to a grueling four and a half years, on
> average.
> 
> But for one Dutch citizen, the wait just got shorter.
> 
> This Friday three patients will compete to receive a kidney from a
> terminally ill young woman, 37-year-old "Lisa."
> 
> Dutch TV channel BNN and the producers of the controversial U.K.-based
> reality show "Big Brother" have come together to produce "Big Donor
Show."
> 
> The program, which will be broadcast live on BNN this Friday, will
> show the three "contestants" (each of whom is a match for Lisa's
> organs) vying for one of her kidneys.
> 
> Unhappy with the prevailing policy on donor anonymity in the
> Netherlands, Lisa decided that she wanted to know the person who would
> receive her kidney while she was still alive.
> 
> On the show, the three prospective recipients will share details of
> their lives and discuss the day-to-day challenges they face. The
> 90-minute broadcast will also feature interviews with each candidate's
> family and friends.
> 
> All this in a bid to elicit sympathy not just from Lisa, but, more
> importantly, the viewers.
> 
> Executives Defend Show
> 
> When ABCNEWS.com contacted Laurens Drillich, BNN chairman, he
> acknowledged that "the program is tasteless." But, he added, "the
> reality of having to wait years for organs is much more tasteless, in
> my opinion."
> 
> "At least in this case," he said, "the contestants in the show have a
> 33 percent chance of getting a new kidney. They would have to wait
> much longer in real life for the same deal."
> 
> Dutch politicians and media commentators have been quick to censure
> BNN for exploiting such a serious issue for a ratings grab.
> 
> The network, however, argues that its motives are not commercial in
> the slightest. In an interview with ABCNEWS.com, Drillich insisted
> that "BNN is a public TV channel, not a commercial channel. We are not
> selling ads, we will not be charging viewers to vote by text message,
> we have no intention of making money from this show."
> 
> Why do it then, in the face of such intense criticism?
> 
> Drillich said, "BNN's reasons for getting involved in this program are
> quite personal."
> 
> In fact, the channel's founder, Bart de Graaff, was himself a kidney
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Wants A Kidney? Contestants Vie for Kidney on Reality TV

[Martin]

Oh, I've never regaled you with the tale of the day I spent in FBI custody, 
being questioned because one of Trent Lott's staffers overreacted to an e-mail 
I sent the Fine Gentleman from Missisip?
   
  Back in '99, when Clinton was still in office, he learned that the drug 
companies (may they all end in thirst) that were primarily involved in AIDS 
vaccine research were shelving relatively short-term effective vaccines in 
warehouses all over the country (including one right here in Atlanta), waiting 
for the fiscal year to turn so that they could delcare the inventory as a 
one-penny loss and thereby get a fat tax write-off. Clinton said no to that, 
issued an executive order forcing the companies to ship the drugs over to 
Africa, where they might do some good. Mister Lott, fine humanitarian that he 
is :P, stood up on the Senate floor and decried Clinton's EO as being "bad for 
business". When I saw that on C-SPAN, it took me eight seconds to get online 
and write himan e-mail, for daring to place the corporate bottom line over 
human life. The next day, my cousin Mae, an ex-FBI agent, calls me up and asks 
"What the *hell* did you do? You're red-flagging every terminal in
 D.C.! You need to go to the regional FBI office and talk to them about it." I 
did. 
   
  After eleven hours of chatting (mostly one-sded, *theirs*), I finally learned 
that *they hadn't even read the danged e-mail I sent*. I borrowed the agent's 
nice, shiny laptop, called up my copy of the missive and let him read it. He 
tore up my file and drove me home.
   
  Your tax dollars at work, gentlefolk. :P

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Details, man, details!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Keith- *ix-nay* on the *ideas-ay*...considering my status with HomeInsec, I'm 
likely to be one of the first contestants...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Can "Death Race 2000" or "The Running Man" type 
reality shows be too far behind?

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" 
And the losers...die? Now THAT's entertainment!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote:
>
> http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=3222844
> 
> Contestants Vie for Kidney on Dutch Reality TV
> 
> Government Condemns Show; Station Argues Program Will Raise Awareness
> 
> By AMMU KANNAMPILLY and FABIOLA ANTEZANA
> 
> May 29, 2007 —
> 
> For most patients around the world in need of a kidney, life is an
> interminable waiting game for an elusive matching donor.
> 
> The Netherlands is no different. According to Bert Elbertse, publicity
> director for the leading Dutch health organization, NIGZ, waiting
> lists for a kidney stretch to a grueling four and a half years, on
> average.
> 
> But for one Dutch citizen, the wait just got shorter.
> 
> This Friday three patients will compete to receive a kidney from a
> terminally ill young woman, 37-year-old "Lisa."
> 
> Dutch TV channel BNN and the producers of the controversial U.K.-based
> reality show "Big Brother" have come together to produce "Big Donor
Show."
> 
> The program, which will be broadcast live on BNN this Friday, will
> show the three "contestants" (each of whom is a match for Lisa's
> organs) vying for one of her kidneys.
> 
> Unhappy with the prevailing policy on donor anonymity in the
> Netherlands, Lisa decided that she wanted to know the person who would
> receive her kidney while she was still alive.
> 
> On the show, the three prospective recipients will share details of
> their lives and discuss the day-to-day challenges they face. The
> 90-minute broadcast will also feature interviews with each candidate's
> family and friends.
> 
> All this in a bid to elicit sympathy not just from Lisa, but, more
> importantly, the viewers.
> 
> Executives Defend Show
> 
> When ABCNEWS.com contacted Laurens Drillich, BNN chairman, he
> acknowledged that "the program is tasteless." But, he added, "the
> reality of having to wait years for organs is much more tasteless, in
> my opinion."
> 
> "At least in this case," he said, "the contestants in the show have a
> 33 percent chance of getting a new kidney. They would have to wait
> much longer in real life for the same deal."
> 
> Dutch politicians and media commentators have been quick to censure
> BNN for exploiting such a serious issue for a ratings grab.
> 
> The network, however, argues that its motives are not commercial in
> the slightest. In an interview with ABCNEWS.com, Drillich insisted
> that "BNN is a public TV channel, not a commercial channel. We are not
> selling ads, we will not be charging viewers to vote by text message,
> we have no intention of making money from this show."
> 
> Why do it then, in the face of such intense criticism?
> 
> Drillich said, "BNN's reasons for getting involved in this program are
> quite personal."
> 
> In fact, the channel's founder, Bart de Graaff, was himself a kidney
> patient who spent 13 years on a waiting list for a healthy kidney.
> 
> De Graaff was f

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Who Wants A Kidney? Contestants Vie for Kidney on Reality TV

[Daryle]

I'm not so sure this is OT.

This essentially means that "Running Man" can get  green-lighted  
somewhere in the world. Here I thought  Gene Roddenberry was the one  
with the correct vision of the future...looks like it  was Terry  
Gilliam.

On May 30, 2007, at 11:19 AM, ravenadal wrote:

> And the losers...die? Now THAT's entertainment!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=3222844
> >
> > Contestants Vie for Kidney on Dutch Reality TV
> >
> > Government Condemns Show; Station Argues Program Will Raise  
> Awareness
> >
> > By AMMU KANNAMPILLY and FABIOLA ANTEZANA
> >
> > May 29, 2007 —
> >
> > For most patients around the world in need of a kidney, life is an
> > interminable waiting game for an elusive matching donor.
> >
> > The Netherlands is no different. According to Bert Elbertse,  
> publicity
> > director for the leading Dutch health organization, NIGZ, waiting
> > lists for a kidney stretch to a grueling four and a half years, on
> > average.
> >
> > But for one Dutch citizen, the wait just got shorter.
> >
> > This Friday three patients will compete to receive a kidney from a
> > terminally ill young woman, 37-year-old "Lisa."
> >
> > Dutch TV channel BNN and the producers of the controversial U.K.- 
> based
> > reality show "Big Brother" have come together to produce "Big Donor
> Show."
> >
> > The program, which will be broadcast live on BNN this Friday, will
> > show the three "contestants" (each of whom is a match for Lisa's
> > organs) vying for one of her kidneys.
> >
> > Unhappy with the prevailing policy on donor anonymity in the
> > Netherlands, Lisa decided that she wanted to know the person who  
> would
> > receive her kidney while she was still alive.
> >
> > On the show, the three prospective recipients will share details of
> > their lives and discuss the day-to-day challenges they face. The
> > 90-minute broadcast will also feature interviews with each  
> candidate's
> > family and friends.
> >
> > All this in a bid to elicit sympathy not just from Lisa, but, more
> > importantly, the viewers.
> >
> > Executives Defend Show
> >
> > When ABCNEWS.com contacted Laurens Drillich, BNN chairman, he
> > acknowledged that "the program is tasteless." But, he added, "the
> > reality of having to wait years for organs is much more  
> tasteless, in
> > my opinion."
> >
> > "At least in this case," he said, "the contestants in the show  
> have a
> > 33 percent chance of getting a new kidney. They would have to wait
> > much longer in real life for the same deal."
> >
> > Dutch politicians and media commentators have been quick to censure
> > BNN for exploiting such a serious issue for a ratings grab.
> >
> > The network, however, argues that its motives are not commercial in
> > the slightest. In an interview with ABCNEWS.com, Drillich insisted
> > that "BNN is a public TV channel, not a commercial channel. We  
> are not
> > selling ads, we will not be charging viewers to vote by text  
> message,
> > we have no intention of making money from this show."
> >
> > Why do it then, in the face of such intense criticism?
> >
> > Drillich said, "BNN's reasons for getting involved in this  
> program are
> > quite personal."
> >
> > In fact, the channel's founder, Bart de Graaff, was himself a kidney
> > patient who spent 13 years on a waiting list for a healthy kidney.
> >
> > De Graaff was fortunate enough to receive a kidney;  
> unfortunately, he
> > didn't receive it quickly enough. By the time de Graaff received the
> > organ, Drillich said, "his body was so weakened that he died within
> > three years."
> >
> > Since de Graaff's death, Drillich said, "BNN has made a consistent
> > effort to generate awareness about the deplorable situation in the
> > Netherlands, as far as organ donation is concerned."
> >
> > "Of course," he conceded, "we could have made a tasteful documentary
> > about the issue, but how many people would watch that?"
> >
> > "This way," he continued, "we are hoping to reach a much larger
> > audience and alert them to this problem."
> >
> > Lawmakers Call for Ban
> >
> > But neither health officials nor politicians seem to agree with
> > Drillich's analysis.
> >
> > At least two members of parliament -- Joop Atsma, spokesman on media
> > affairs for the ruling Christian Democrats, and Abraham Klink,
> > minister of health -- intend to ask the government to ban the  
> program.
> >
> > In Brussels, the European Union Commission, which plans to  
> announce an
> > organ donor policy Wednesday, criticized the show.
> >
> > Meanwhile, a spokesman for the Dutch Ministry of Health told
> > ABCNEWS.com that "while we certainly need more organ donors in this
> > country, this is definitely not the right way to go about it."
> >
> > None of this fazes Drillich, who responded by saying "the  
> alternative
> > methods employed by the government to encourage organ donation  
> simply
> > aren't