date:20080727

I rest my case...

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 6:30 PM






True. And I feel with my hands.

~rave!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> You see, Rave, that's the difference between us; you only see with
your eyes...
> 
> -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is
Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:
> 
> From: ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..>
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting Speculation)
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:32 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, your playing the "Rachel True" card has restored my faith in
> your eyesight! If I ruled Hollywood there would be a 24 hour Rachel
> True channel.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
> >
> > Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most
> people thought the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so!
> Penny Johnson is also gorgeous. I don't think she's an
> "unconventional" beauty, as if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather
> think some narrow-minded people decide the likes of Berry, Jolie,
> Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, then make anyone else seem
> to be "other". For example, for 20 years or so, the standard of beauty
> in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or light skin (the
> so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never gotten.Heather Locklear
> and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. Even Black
> women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
> thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted
> Scarlett Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and
> Cindy Crawford voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is
> just fine, and the other two would pale in comparison t
> > o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam
> Grier, or Selma Hayek.
> > 
> > As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a
> variety of body types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never
> narrow it down to a particular type. 
> > 
> > 
> >  -- Original message  -- 
> > From: Astromancer  
> > 
> > > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right
> after Soul 
> > > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
> attributes of 
> > > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in
> Pauley Perrette's 
> > > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on
> Half and 
> > > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is
> also the type of 
> > > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or
> how you dress 
> > > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
> guess I find 
> > > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as
> in I can't 
> > > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi
> Goldberg was (and 
> > > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
> though it is a 
> > > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and
> cultural 
> > > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last
> comment on this 
> > > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in
> every one. It 
> > > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature
> to be noticed 
> > > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me think
> on a 
> > > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > > 
> > > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> > > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > > 
> > > From: Martin 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
> Casting 
> > > Speculation) 
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > > 
> > > We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you.
> It's a 
> > > slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> > > 
> > > "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> > > Vonnegut 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> > > From: Astromancer 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
> Casting 
> > > Speculation) 
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > > Date: Saturd

Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

I kow, Keith. I'm finding as I grow older, I imagine what the woman I'm staring 
at is like intellectually...Probably because I no longer have a mate. Maybe I 
am unconsciously filling a need for what I am missing...I am not dismissing 
physical atttraction, Keith, I just tend to crave more than the superficial...

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 10:36 PM

I agree, but there's nothing wrong with being physically attracted to a
woman, as well as to her mind and spirit. I mean, my wife is the strongest,
most compassionate, wisest person I know. I'm attracted to her soul, but I
also think she's the most beautiful woman in the world from physical
perspective.  I mean, it's nice that the inner package is wrapped in
something that looks better than, say, Samuel Jackson in drag!  :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with
beauty 
> when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what
comes 
> out decides whether she'll hold my attention after.. 
> 
> -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is
Johnny 
> Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM 
> 
> Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people
thought 
> the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is
also 
> gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional"
beauty, as 
> if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded
people 
> decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of
beauty, 
> then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20
years 
> or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde
hair or 
> light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've
never 
> gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as
beautiful. 
> Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses
going 
> thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett 
> Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy
Crawford 
> voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the
other 
> two would pale in comparison t 
> o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier,
or 
> Selma Hayek. 
> 
> As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of
body 
> types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a
particular 
> type. 
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer 
> 
> > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after
Soul 
> > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do
with 
> attributes of 
> > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley 
> Perrette's 
> > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half
and 
> > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also
the 
> type of 
> > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how
you 
> dress 
> > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates})
I 
> guess I find 
> > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I

> can't 
> > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi
Goldberg 
> was (and 
> > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a
nutshell 
> though it is a 
> > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and
cultural 
> > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment
on 
> this 
> > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every
one. 
> It 
> > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to
be 
> noticed 
> > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make
me 
> think on a 
> > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > 
> > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? 
> That's 
> > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &

> Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > 
> > We need na

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

How's that, Tracey?

I think the irony, these things happening in the same month, is sobering. On 
one hand they embrace people of color, on the other they enact 
government-sanctioned measures against a traditionally abused people that 
reminds me of the old days of Jewish branding. 

It's about like the US hailing itself for even considering a Black president, 
yet foolishly and ignorantly trying to build a barrier to keep brown people 
out. Whatever one thinks of the very real issues with immigration, that barrier 
is an inexcusable, reprehensible expression of something more than concern for 
the nation's vitality.

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
It's helping to chase my sister in law and niece back to the states.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:42 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into
Reprints

While I can't condone this action, the Italian government is facing a
real and pressing danger. The Italian birthrate is currently so low
the Italian race will cease to exist in 500 years. Now, in the big
scheme of things that is negligible blip on the radar screen, but to
the Italians it is a big honking deal. They feel they are being
inundated by Gypsies. 

In any case, none of this has anything to do with Italian Vogue (not
an arm of the Italian government but of the evil American publishing
conglomerate Conde Nast)publishing an issue featuring all black models.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yet while they're touting this big step, the Italian government is
putting plans in motion to fingerprint and track "gypsies" in their
country like some kind of neo-fascist pogrom. Go figure humanity
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> (Does anybody have this issue? I have looked all over creation and 
> tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue. Of 
> course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise! 
> I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue. None of the other 
> outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> INDIAN Vogue!)
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> 
> Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> 
> As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> in particular, struck me: 
> 
> "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> for a black model?"
> 
> Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> shot the cover story, says, 
> 
> "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> 
> Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> 
> So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

It applies when on one hand it seems a people or country are progressing, but 
on the other they're still engaging in practices that are questionable at best, 
racist at worst. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
While I can't condone this action, the Italian government is facing a
real and pressing danger. The Italian birthrate is currently so low
the Italian race will cease to exist in 500 years. Now, in the big
scheme of things that is negligible blip on the radar screen, but to
the Italians it is a big honking deal. They feel they are being
inundated by Gypsies. 

In any case, none of this has anything to do with Italian Vogue (not
an arm of the Italian government but of the evil American publishing
conglomerate Conde Nast)publishing an issue featuring all black models.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yet while they're touting this big step, the Italian government is
putting plans in motion to fingerprint and track "gypsies" in their
country like some kind of neo-fascist pogrom. Go figure humanity
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> (Does anybody have this issue? I have looked all over creation and 
> tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue. Of 
> course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise! 
> I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue. None of the other 
> outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> INDIAN Vogue!)
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> 
> Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> 
> As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> in particular, struck me: 
> 
> "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> for a black model?"
> 
> Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> shot the cover story, says, 
> 
> "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> 
> Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> 
> So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

Ha-ha, thanks--I think!

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, your playing the "Rachel True" card has restored my faith in
your eyesight! If I ruled Hollywood there would be a 24 hour Rachel
True channel.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most
people thought the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so!
Penny Johnson is also gorgeous. I don't think she's an
"unconventional" beauty, as if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather
think some narrow-minded people decide the likes of Berry, Jolie,
Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, then make anyone else seem
to be "other". For example, for 20 years or so, the standard of beauty
in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or light skin (the
so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never gotten.Heather Locklear
and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. Even Black
women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted
Scarlett Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and
Cindy Crawford voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is
just fine, and the other two would pale in comparison t
> o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam
Grier, or Selma Hayek.
> 
> As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a
variety of body types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never
narrow it down to a particular type. 
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right
after Soul 
> > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in
Pauley Perrette's 
> > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on
Half and 
> > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is
also the type of 
> > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or
how you dress 
> > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as
in I can't 
> > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi
Goldberg was (and 
> > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and
cultural 
> > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last
comment on this 
> > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in
every one. It 
> > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature
to be noticed 
> > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me think
on a 
> > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > 
> > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? That's 
> > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > 
> > We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you.
It's a 
> > slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> > 
> > "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> > Vonnegut 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> > From: Astromancer 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> > 
> > Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> > attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> > 'obvious' beauties... 
> > 
> > "I am me," said the stranger, "and I work for the ones who pay my 
> > fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> > Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> > 
> > From: ravenadal 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:01 AM 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > She's so fine 
> > (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> > Wish she were mine 
> > (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> > (So fine) oh yeah 
> > (She's so fine) she's so fine 
> > (So fine) uh-huh 
> > (She's so fine) 
> > She's so fine. 
> > 
> > As my pappy used to say, "there's no accounting for taste and 
> > ya'll 
> > don't have any!" 
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Astromancer wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Well, I'm not overly WOW'd by Rosario

1217216205

I agree, but there's nothing wrong with being physically attracted to a woman, 
as well as to her mind and spirit. I mean, my wife is the strongest, most 
compassionate, wisest person I know. I'm attracted to her soul, but I also 
think she's the most beautiful woman in the world from physical perspective.  I 
mean, it's nice that the inner package is wrapped in something that looks 
better than, say, Samuel Jackson in drag!  :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with 
> beauty 
> when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what comes 
> out decides whether she'll hold my attention after.. 
> 
> -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
> Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote: 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM 
> 
> Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people 
> thought 
> the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is also 
> gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as 
> if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people 
> decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, 
> then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years 
> or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair 
> or 
> light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never 
> gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as 
> beautiful. 
> Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses 
> going 
> thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett 
> Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford 
> voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other 
> two would pale in comparison t 
> o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or 
> Selma Hayek. 
> 
> As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of 
> body 
> types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a 
> particular 
> type. 
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer 
> 
> > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with 
> attributes of 
> > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley 
> Perrette's 
> > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the 
> type of 
> > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you 
> dress 
> > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I 
> guess I find 
> > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I 
> can't 
> > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg 
> was (and 
> > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell 
> though it is a 
> > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on 
> this 
> > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one. 
> It 
> > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be 
> noticed 
> > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me 
> think on a 
> > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > 
> > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? 
> That's 
> > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & 
> Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > 
> > We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's 
> a 
> > slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> > 
> > "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> > Vonnegut 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> > From: Astromancer 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & 
> Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> > 
> > Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> > attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> > 'obvious' beauties.

[scifinoir2] My Take - "The Dark Knight" (No spoilers)

My quick take:  Like any True Believer (that's Marvel speak for a real fan for 
the unitiated) I often get a bit annoyed at those who see comics, scifi, and 
animation as silly stuff that's the domain of geeks and nerds. People who see 
in superheroes nothing but the "Wham! Bang!" of the 60s camp "Batman". I hate 
having to even discss whether comics deal with "real" life. I've seen drama in 
a comic as powerful as that in some of the better TV shows, learned as much 
about human nature from guys whocan fly as from Shakespeare.  But to dance with 
that devil this one time, I will say it: this is a "real" movie, not just a 
comic book one. "The Dark Knight" is a well written, intricately plotted movie, 
 full of amazing action, fine acting, stunning scenes and photograpy, and a 
penetrating look at the nature of redemption, worth, and madness. Oh yeah--and 
a guy named Joker is as crazy as you've heard. A must-see movie.


My full take: Wow.
 
Thats all I could say when the last scene of The Dark Knight had flashed 
across the screen, emotions spinning in my head like bright lights behind my 
eyeballs, leaving me dizzy with excitement and stunned at the same time.  
 
Building and expanding on the themes started in Batman Begins, director 
Christopher Nolans film will leave viewers drained but satisfied. From 
beginning to end, this is a sharp, exciting movie  
 
Things kicks off in high gear, as a band of masked gangsters pulls off a daring 
robbery of a mob-owned bank.  Their leader is called the Clown, who later 
reveals himself at a meeting of major crime bosses as the Joker (Heath Ledger, 
whos as good as youve heard). 
 
A shuffling, disheveled, medium sized man, Joker walks slightly bent over, as 
if he were hurting or deformed in some way. Hes completely unimpressive 
physically, but impossible to ignore given his greasy greenish hair, strange 
clothing, and twisted frightening clown makeup, which only accentuates the 
ghastly scar that is his mouth. Joker plans to rule crime in Gotham.  Things 
used to be better, he tells the bosses, before the Bat had them running scared. 
He can fix the problem by raining terror on the city and killing Batman.
 
This city needs a new class of criminal, he says at one point, and Im going 
to give it to them.
 
All he requires in payment iscomplete loyalty.
 
With his lunatic appearance, wheedling, lisping voice, and tendency to fits of 
manic laughter, the Joker doesnt exactly impress the bosses. But after a few 
gruesome examples (parents take note, this is a violent flick) of what happens 
to those who cross him, they decide to let Joker give it a try. Soon Jokers 
increasingly brazen and shocking crimes have Gotham reeling with fear.
 
Set against the chaos is Bruce Wayne/Batman (Christian Bale), whos still 
trying to prove that Gotham is a city that wont give in to the darkness of 
fear and corruption. Bruce fervently wants his alter ego to be a symbol of 
hope, a dark angel to bring fear to criminals, but inspiration to the people. 
Burdened, beaten, mentally and spiritually exhausted from countless battles, 
Bruce dreams of one day giving up the mantle of the Bat, if he can find others 
to take his place. Perhaps he can even finally have a real life with a 
skeptical Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal, an improvement over previous actress 
Katie Holmes).  
 
Giving Bruce hope is District Attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), a brave, 
extremely popular man whose exploits have earned him the nickname White 
Knight. Slowly Batman and Dent come to trust each other, and along with 
Lieutenant Jim Gordon, the three men set out to win the battle for Gothams 
soul. What follows is a drama with plots within plots, twists and tricks 
galore, successes and devastating failures, with Batman and his allies met at 
every turn by the mad cleverness of the Joker. 
 
As the stakes and body count grow ever higher, Bruce comes to realize that 
Joker has no real plan other than to foment chaos. Is there a way to counter 
such madness rationally?

I now see the lengths to which I must go to stop such men, Bruce laments to 
Alfred at one point. Alfred replies that there are some men who cant be 
beaten, just put down. 
 
Some men just want to watch the world burn, he warns.
 
Im like a dog chasing a car, Joker himself gleefully relates at one point, 
I have no idea what Id do once I catch it.
 
In time, no one in Gotham--no citizen, hero, or even criminal--is untouched by 
the sweeping battle that engulfs the entire city. 
 
Christopher Nolan gets that comic book movies can be as real as other movies. 
His take on Batman is grounded in reality. He eschews much of the fantastical, 
the improbable science fiction aspects of superheroes, and gets down to the 
basics of telling a good story whose central characters happen to be named 
Batman and Joker.  Yes, theres lot of cool gadgets (love that motorcycle!), 
chases, and fighting. But what Nolan m

[scifinoir2] The Return of The Blue Marvel

"It's the story of Marvel's first black superhero. He was the most
powerful and the most popular superhero around for a period of three
or four years back in the late 1950s early 1960s."

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17398

CCI: The 'Return' of "The Blue Marvel"

   
Fri, July 25th, 2008 at 9:56AM PST

Updated: Fri, July 25th, 2008 at 11:06AM PST


Breathing new life into an iconic character like Spider-Man or the
Incredible Hulk is a considered a dream assignment by most working in
the comic industry.

But for triple-threat Kevin Grevioux and fan favorite artist Mat
Broome, the opportunity to develop a brand new hero for the Marvel
Universe was the opportunity of a lifetime.

Marvel Comics announced at Comic-Con that the two would team on "Adam:
Legend of the Blue Marvel," a six-issue miniseries starting in
November based on an original concept by Grevioux, who also writes
"New Warriors" for the publisher. The Chicago, Illinois native also
wrote the original "Underworld" movie and has acted in dozens of films
himself including the "Underworld" trilogy as the lycan, Raze.

While there is a hero named Blue Marvel in packed away in the vaults
of the House of Ideas, this new character is completely unrelated.

Grevioux told CBR News, "The Blue Marvel is not the return of Marvel
Boy or Crusader as he was last called, I think. This Blue Marvel is a
completely different character, aspects of which have been in my head
since I was a kid."

"It's the story of Marvel's first black superhero. He was the most
powerful and the most popular superhero around for a period of three
or four years back in the late 1950s early 1960s. Think of how
pre-'Civil War' Captain America was lauded in the Marvel Universe or
how Superman is hailed in Metropolis or throughout the DC Universe and
that was the popular status that the Blue Marvel enjoyed during this
time period.

"However, he wore a costume that completely covered his entire body so
no one knew what he looked like underneath. But when it was discovered
that he was actually a black man, he was asked to cease operating as a
hero and retire by President John F. Kennedy. The reason being, that
at the time, Kennedy and his brother Bobby were desperately trying to
push forth Civil Rights and they knew that if the world found out that
the Blue Marvel, a being of incalculable power, was actually a Negro,
that would set their Civil Rights plan back. Maybe even kill it all
together. And they knew that if America was to move forward and evolve
socially, that could not happen.

"Not wanting to upset the apple cart, and realizing how important this
was, the Blue Marvel complied with the President's executive order and
stands down."

But Grevioux added when evil rears it ugly head, it's time for Blue
Marvel to get back in the game.

"When a mysterious super-powerful villain comes back from the Blue
Marvel's past, one not even the Avengers can stop, there is a quest to
find the Blue Marvel as he is the only one who has ever defeated him,"
explained Grevioux, who admitted it's a thrill seeing a character he
envisioned as a child appearing on the printed page.

"I've had Blue Marvel in my head since I was a kid. And what kid
fanboy doesn't dream of creating a major hero for his favorite comic
book company," said Grevioux. "But it's the backstory that I've
created for the character that makes him really interesting. He's a
man caught between two worlds. On one hand he's a superhero who fights
evil and injustice in all its myriad forms, but on the other hand,
he's a black man who has to be careful about how he fights the
injustice done to his own people."

"He's not a hero for blacks, but a hero for everyone. That presents a
particular burden for him because he sees no end to the oppression of
his people in sight and something needs to be done. But if he does it,
as a black man, he immediately becomes an object of fear. And to have
people afraid of him, just because he is a hero of color, thinking
he's going to violently fight against the white establishment, is a
horrific thought for him. That kind of internal struggle is great fun
to write."

Grevioux teased there would be plenty of popular Marvel characters
featured in the series, placing Blue Marvel squarely in the universe
he occupies.

"You'll see the Avengers, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Hank Pym and even
Namor, with whom the Blue Marvel has a unique relationship," said the
writer.

Mat Broome, who was working on "End League" with Rick Remender for
Dark Horse Comics when Grevioux pitched him the research and outline
for "Blue Marvel" loves the concept.

"I was pretty excited to work on Marvel characters that were brand
new, but rooted in the Golden Age. That's the best of both worlds,
anytime you get a chance to work on classic Marvel characters and the
Avengers in the same title," Broome told CBR News.

"And the design of the characters is inspired by the 1950s and 1960s,
so there is a good amount of Golden Age history

1217201406

True.  And I feel with my hands.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You see, Rave, that's the difference between us; you only see with
your eyes...
> 
> -See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is
Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> From: ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting Speculation)
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:32 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, your playing the "Rachel True" card has restored my faith in
> your eyesight! If I ruled Hollywood there would be a 24 hour Rachel
> True channel.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
> >
> > Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most
> people thought the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so!
> Penny Johnson is also gorgeous. I don't think she's an
> "unconventional" beauty, as if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather
> think some narrow-minded people decide the likes of Berry, Jolie,
> Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, then make anyone else seem
> to be "other". For example, for 20 years or so, the standard of beauty
> in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or light skin (the
> so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never gotten.Heather Locklear
> and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. Even Black
> women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
> thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted
> Scarlett Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and
> Cindy Crawford voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is
> just fine, and the other two would pale in comparison t
> > o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam
> Grier, or Selma Hayek.
> > 
> > As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a
> variety of body types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never
> narrow it down to a particular type. 
> > 
> > 
> >  -- Original message  -- 
> > From: Astromancer  
> > 
> > > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right
> after Soul 
> > > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
> attributes of 
> > > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in
> Pauley Perrette's 
> > > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on
> Half and 
> > > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is
> also the type of 
> > > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or
> how you dress 
> > > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
> guess I find 
> > > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as
> in I can't 
> > > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi
> Goldberg was (and 
> > > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
> though it is a 
> > > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and
> cultural 
> > > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last
> comment on this 
> > > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in
> every one. It 
> > > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature
> to be noticed 
> > > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me think
> on a 
> > > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > > 
> > > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> > > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > > 
> > > From: Martin 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
> Casting 
> > > Speculation) 
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > > 
> > > We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you.
> It's a 
> > > slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> > > 
> > > "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> > > Vonnegut 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> > > From: Astromancer 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
> Casting 
> > > Speculation) 
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> > > 
> > > Not questioning your tastes...Didn' t even say she wasn't 
> > > attractive.. .Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don' t
go for 
> > > 'obvious' beauties... 
> > > 
> > > "I am me," said the stranger, "and I work for the ones who pay my 
> > > fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> > > Badie 
> > > 
> > > --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenad

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

You see, Rave, that's the difference between us; you only see with your eyes...

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:32 AM






Keith, your playing the "Rachel True" card has restored my faith in
your eyesight! If I ruled Hollywood there would be a 24 hour Rachel
True channel.

~rave!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
>
> Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most
people thought the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so!
Penny Johnson is also gorgeous. I don't think she's an
"unconventional" beauty, as if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather
think some narrow-minded people decide the likes of Berry, Jolie,
Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, then make anyone else seem
to be "other". For example, for 20 years or so, the standard of beauty
in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or light skin (the
so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never gotten.Heather Locklear
and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. Even Black
women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted
Scarlett Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and
Cindy Crawford voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is
just fine, and the other two would pale in comparison t
> o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam
Grier, or Selma Hayek.
> 
> As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a
variety of body types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never
narrow it down to a particular type. 
> 
> 
>  -- Original message  -- 
> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> 
> > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right
after Soul 
> > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in
Pauley Perrette's 
> > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on
Half and 
> > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is
also the type of 
> > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or
how you dress 
> > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as
in I can't 
> > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi
Goldberg was (and 
> > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and
cultural 
> > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last
comment on this 
> > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in
every one. It 
> > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature
to be noticed 
> > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me think
on a 
> > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > 
> > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? That's 
> > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > 
> > We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you.
It's a 
> > slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> > 
> > "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> > Vonnegut 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> > From: Astromancer 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> > 
> > Not questioning your tastes...Didn' t even say she wasn't 
> > attractive.. .Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don' t go for 
> > 'obvious' beauties... 
> > 
> > "I am me," said the stranger, "and I work for the ones who pay my 
> > fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> > Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> > 
> > From: ravenadal 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:01 AM 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > She's so fine 
> > (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> > Wish she were mine 
> > (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang)

[scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

This is my favorite part of the article below: They (black models)
don't sell advertising, which is why these same
advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They (black models)
don't sell consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product
or the ad concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was
Gwyneth Paltrow on the cover of the year's worst selling issue.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (Does anybody have this issue?  I have looked all over creation and 
> tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue.  Of 
> course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise!  
> I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue.  None of the other 
> outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> INDIAN Vogue!)
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> 
> Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> 
> As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> in particular, struck me:  
> 
> 
> "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> for a black model?"
> 
> Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> shot the cover story, says, 
> 
> "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> 
> Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> 
> So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer

And angry. Let's not forget angry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 10:34 AM











As Dana Carvey's Chruch Lady would say, "Isn't that convenient?"



In other political news, John McCain is still old.



~rave!



--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:

>

> a cynic would say the obama camp was behind this as a perfect way to

show those hesitant conservatives that he's a good religious

non-Muslim after all. what more convincing way than to have a private

prayer stolen in order to show that?

> i dont' think that's the case  but a cynic would...

> 

> 

>  -- Original message  -- 

> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> 

> http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20080725/ ap_on_re_ mi_ea/israel_ obama_s_note

> 

> Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer By ARON HELLER, 

> Associated Press Writer

> Fri Jul 25, 4:26 PM ET

> 

> 

> An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a handwritten prayer left 

> by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western Wall drew 

> criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his relationship 

> with God.

> 

> In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday, Obama asks 

> God to guide him and guard his family.

> 

> "Lord  Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me 

> guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is 

> right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the 

> note published in Maariv.

> 

> Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page Friday. It said 

> the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary student 

> immediately after Obama left.

> 

> Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny the note 

> was Obama's, but the handwriting was similar to another message 

> written by the presidential candidate during his time in Israel this 

> week.

> 

> The paper's decision to make the note public brought quick criticism 

> from religious authorities. The rabbi in charge of the Western Wall, 

> Shmuel Rabinovitz, called it an intrusion on Obama's intimate 

> relationship with God.

> 

> "The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between 

> a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or make any use 

> of them," Rabinovitz told Army Radio.

> 

> The newspaper's action "damages the Western Wall and damages the 

> personal, deep part of every one of us that we keep to ourselves," he 

> added.

> 

> Many visitors to the 2,000-year-old Western Wall leave notes in its 

> crevices bearing requests and prayers. Obama placed a small note and 

> then bowed his head during a pre-dawn visit Thursday, following a day 

> spent in talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

> 

> The Western Wall is the lone remaining outer retaining wall of the 

> second biblical Jewish temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in 

> A.D. 70. Revered as Judaism's holiest site, it stands where the Bible 

> says King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple, which was destroyed 

> by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.

> 

> "It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall 

> should become a subject of public knowledge at all," said Jonathan 

> Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious community and 

> director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank.

> 

> "There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's 

> private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to the wall 

> expects that those communication will be protected," Rosenblum said.

> 

> Another Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, published an article 

> Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided against 

> publishing it out of respect for Obama's privacy. Nearly all other 

> Israeli media ignored the story.

> 

> Thousands of notes and prayers are stuffed into the cracks of the 

> wall. In recent years, the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, which 

> operates the site, has opened a fax hot line and a Web site where 

> people overseas can send their prayers and have them printed out and 

> put in the wall.

> 

> The wall is emptied of its notes several times a year. The papers are 

> treated as a prayer book and buried, rather than burned.

> 

> While Maariv drew criticism, the removal and publication of the note 

> did not appear violate any laws. Police officials said they were not 

> investigating the incident.

> 

> The handwriting appeared to match a message that Obama wrote 

> Wednesday in the guest book at Yad Vashem, Israel's official 

> Holocaust memorial. It was written on stationery from the King David 

> Hotel, where Obama stayed while in Israel.

> 

> Obama signed the Yad Vashem messa

RE: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

Thank you, Tracey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 1:45 PM











Happy Birthday Young Man!



-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On

Behalf Of Martin

Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:46 AM

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting

Speculation)



Thank you very much, my friend!



http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik



--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:

From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting

Speculation)

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 4:28 AM



Oh, BTW, Happy Birthday, Martin!



-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny

Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie



--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:



From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting

Speculation)

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:13 AM



Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with

beauty

when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what

comes

out decides whether she'll hold my attention after..



-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny

Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie



--- On Sun, 7/27/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net

 wrote:



From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting

Speculation)

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com

Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM



Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people

thought

the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is

also

gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as

if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people

decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of

beauty,

then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years

or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair

or

light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never

gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as

beautiful. 

Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses

going

thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett

Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford

voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other

two would pale in comparison t

o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or

Selma Hayek.



As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of

body

types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a

particular

type. 



 -- Original message  -- 

From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> 



> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 

> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with

attributes of 

> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley

Perrette's 

> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 

> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the

type of 

> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you

dress 

> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I

guess I find 

> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I

can't 

> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg

was (and 

> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell

though it is a 

> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 

> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on

this 

> subject; If you look deeply and 

> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one.

It 

> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be

noticed 

> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me

think on a 

> Saturday...after Soul Train... 

> 

> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?

That's 

> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

> 

> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 

> 

> From: Martin 

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(w

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

Me too.  Thanks for waking up.  I would have missed it.  I saw the online
scan.  They are beautiful

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:27 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into
Reprints

Thanks Tracy, I will check it out!

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Why don't you call that source I gave you on Monday or call Conde
Nast on Monday to get the reprint.  Most Magazines will let you order
reprints by phone or online with a credit card
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue"
Goes Into
> Reprints
> 
> I went on Ebay and some sellers are asking up to $300 for this issue!
>  The cheapest I saw was $24.  I understand Conde Nast has produced
> 100,000 more copies that they are selling at $19.99 a piece.
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > This former model who was told to "stay out of the sun" so I would
> not get
> > too dark and to "keep the braids out -- you don't want to look too
> ethnic",
> > thanks you for this post.  Here are some resources you can use for
> getting
> > it.  I'm going to try to get it for my daughter, whose favorite song
> is " I
> > am not my hair" by India Aire (sp)
> > 
> > Fashionista scanned the whole thing" Jezebel 
> >
>
http://fashionista.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=6&tag=Vogue%20Italia
> > &limit=20
> > 
> > Jezebel has a nice selection of images.
> >
http://jezebel.com/5024967/italian-vogues-all-black-issue-a-guided-tour
> > 
> > 
> > Around the World Fashion publications will take phone orders
> (212)575.8543
> >  Universal News Cafe may have  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:23 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes
Into
> > Reprints
> > 
> > (Does anybody have this issue?  I have looked all over creation and 
> > tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue.  Of 
> > course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise!  
> > I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> > but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue.  None of the other 
> > outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> > the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> > INDIAN Vogue!)
> > 
> > ~(no)rave!
> > 
> > http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> > 
> > Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> > 
> > As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> > newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> > about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> > in particular, struck me:  
> > 
> > 
> > "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> > for a black model?"
> > 
> > Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> > history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> > percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> > stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> > shot the cover story, says, 
> > 
> > "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> > girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> > 
> > Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> > advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> > consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> > concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> > on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> > 
> > So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> > ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>





Yahoo! Groups Links

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

It's helping to chase my sister in law and niece back to the states.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ravenadal
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:42 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into
Reprints

While I can't condone this action, the Italian government is facing a
real and pressing danger.  The Italian birthrate is currently so low
the Italian race will cease to exist in 500 years.  Now, in the big
scheme of things that is negligible blip on the radar screen, but to
the Italians it is a big honking deal.  They feel they are being
inundated by Gypsies.  

In any case, none of this has anything to do with Italian Vogue (not
an arm of the Italian government but of the evil American publishing
conglomerate Conde Nast)publishing an issue featuring all black models.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yet while they're touting this big step, the Italian government is
putting plans in motion to fingerprint and track "gypsies" in their
country like some kind of neo-fascist pogrom. Go figure humanity
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> (Does anybody have this issue? I have looked all over creation and 
> tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue. Of 
> course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise! 
> I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue. None of the other 
> outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> INDIAN Vogue!)
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> 
> Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> 
> As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> in particular, struck me: 
> 
> "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> for a black model?"
> 
> Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> shot the cover story, says, 
> 
> "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> 
> Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> 
> So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





Yahoo! Groups Links

1217180750

Happy Birthday Young Man!

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:46 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)

Thank you very much, my friend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 4:28 AM

Oh, BTW, Happy Birthday, Martin!

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:13 AM

Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with
beauty
when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what
comes
out decides whether she'll hold my attention after..

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM

Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people
thought
the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is
also
gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as
if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people
decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of
beauty,
then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years
or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair
or
light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never
gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as
beautiful. 
Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses
going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett
Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford
voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other
two would pale in comparison t
o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or
Selma Hayek.

As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of
body
types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a
particular
type. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley
Perrette's 
> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the
type of 
> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you
dress 
> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I
can't 
> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg
was (and 
> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on
this 
> subject; If you look deeply and 
> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one.
It 
> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be
noticed 
> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me
think on a 
> Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> 
> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> 
> We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's
a 
> slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> 
> "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> Vonnegut 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> From: Astromancer 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2]

1217180603

Not sure how BDL missed this story yesterday a�" oh, that's right, we were busy
setting the unofficial NBA marathon live chat record a�" but hey, better late
than never.

Charles Barkley is giving his money away again. No, no, no, don't judge! This
time, instead of feeding quarters into some slot machine or doubling-down on--
at the blackjack table, Barkley's picked up the tuition for a busboy at a
restaurant in Philly. From the Philadelphia Daily News:

"Sir Charles told [Christian] Abate he would like to help him with his tuition,
and Abate wasn't sure how to respond. Barkley didn't give him much time,
telling Abate that he had the length of Barkley's meal to decide. Abate wisely
accepted.

"He's a nice kid," Barkley said of Abate on Friday. "He was working with kids,
I loved that he wanted to be a teacher, and I wanted to help him," Barkley told
us by phone between stops on a flight to Reno where he was making a speech.

While the little-more-than-15% tip may seem particularly special, it's not so
unusual for Sir Charles. In fact, the lovable goof has given at least $3
million to schools and education in his home state of Alabama. He's a giver,
not a golfer.

As SportsByBrooks so eloquently put it, Barkley is just like Robin Hood: "He
tries to take from the rich, but since he's not very good at it, he gives to
the poor out of his own pocket." So noble. Thump Bump, Chuck.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/Charles_Barkley_tips_well_pays_busboys_tuition_to_Temple/295540

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [scifinoir2] Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer

2008-07-27 Thread Bosco Bosco

Except there's no mention of anything specifically Christian in the prayer. The 
Wall is from a Jewish Temple and the prayer is decidely non-specific. I think a 
cynical conspiracy theory would have to point to Obama converting to Judaism.;)

Bosco


--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:15 AM
> a cynic would say the obama camp was behind this as a
> perfect way to show those hesitant conservatives that
> he's a good religious non-Muslim after all. what more
> convincing way than to have a private prayer stolen in
> order to show that?
> i dont' think that's the case  but a cynic would...
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_obama_s_note
> 
> Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer By
> ARON HELLER, 
> Associated Press Writer
> Fri Jul 25, 4:26 PM ET
> 
> 
> An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a
> handwritten prayer left 
> by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western
> Wall drew 
> criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his
> relationship 
> with God.
> 
> In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday,
> Obama asks 
> God to guide him and guard his family.
> 
> "Lord — Protect my family and me. Forgive me my
> sins, and help me 
> guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do
> what is 
> right and just. And make me an instrument of your
> will," reads the 
> note published in Maariv.
> 
> Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page
> Friday. It said 
> the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary
> student 
> immediately after Obama left.
> 
> Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny
> the note 
> was Obama's, but the handwriting was similar to another
> message 
> written by the presidential candidate during his time in
> Israel this 
> week.
> 
> The paper's decision to make the note public brought
> quick criticism 
> from religious authorities. The rabbi in charge of the
> Western Wall, 
> Shmuel Rabinovitz, called it an intrusion on Obama's
> intimate 
> relationship with God.
> 
> "The notes placed between the stones of the Western
> Wall are between 
> a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or
> make any use 
> of them," Rabinovitz told Army Radio.
> 
> The newspaper's action "damages the Western Wall
> and damages the 
> personal, deep part of every one of us that we keep to
> ourselves," he 
> added.
> 
> Many visitors to the 2,000-year-old Western Wall leave
> notes in its 
> crevices bearing requests and prayers. Obama placed a small
> note and 
> then bowed his head during a pre-dawn visit Thursday,
> following a day 
> spent in talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.
> 
> The Western Wall is the lone remaining outer retaining wall
> of the 
> second biblical Jewish temple, which was destroyed by the
> Romans in 
> A.D. 70. Revered as Judaism's holiest site, it stands
> where the Bible 
> says King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple, which was
> destroyed 
> by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.
> 
> "It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person
> at the Western Wall 
> should become a subject of public knowledge at all,"
> said Jonathan 
> Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious
> community and 
> director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank.
> 
> "There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other
> people's 
> private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to
> the wall 
> expects that those communication will be protected,"
> Rosenblum said.
> 
> Another Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, published an
> article 
> Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided
> against 
> publishing it out of respect for Obama's privacy.
> Nearly all other 
> Israeli media ignored the story.
> 
> Thousands of notes and prayers are stuffed into the cracks
> of the 
> wall. In recent years, the Western Wall Heritage
> Foundation, which 
> operates the site, has opened a fax hot line and a Web site
> where 
> people overseas can send their prayers and have them
> printed out and 
> put in the wall.
> 
> The wall is emptied of its notes several times a year. The
> papers are 
> treated as a prayer book and buried, rather than burned.
> 
> While Maariv drew criticism, the removal and publication of
> the note 
> did not appear violate any laws. Police officials said they
> were not 
> investigating the incident.
> 
> The handwriting appeared to match a message that Obama
> wrote 
> Wednesday in the guest book at Yad Vashem, Israel's
> official 
> Holocaust memorial. It was written on stationery from the
> King David 
> Hotel, where Obama stayed while in Israel.
> 
> Obama signed the Yad Vashem message. The note from the
> Western

[scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

While I can't condone this action, the Italian government is facing a
real and pressing danger.  The Italian birthrate is currently so low
the Italian race will cease to exist in 500 years.  Now, in the big
scheme of things that is negligible blip on the radar screen, but to
the Italians it is a big honking deal.  They feel they are being
inundated by Gypsies.  

In any case, none of this has anything to do with Italian Vogue (not
an arm of the Italian government but of the evil American publishing
conglomerate Conde Nast)publishing an issue featuring all black models.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yet while they're touting this big step, the Italian government is
putting plans in motion to fingerprint and track "gypsies" in their
country like some kind of neo-fascist pogrom. Go figure humanity
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> (Does anybody have this issue? I have looked all over creation and 
> tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue. Of 
> course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise! 
> I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue. None of the other 
> outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> INDIAN Vogue!)
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> 
> Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> 
> As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> in particular, struck me: 
> 
> "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> for a black model?"
> 
> Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> shot the cover story, says, 
> 
> "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> 
> Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> 
> So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer

As Dana Carvey's Chruch Lady would say, "Isn't that convenient?"

In other political news, John McCain is still old.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> a cynic would say the obama camp was behind this as a perfect way to
show those hesitant conservatives that he's a good religious
non-Muslim after all. what more convincing way than to have a private
prayer stolen in order to show that?
> i dont' think that's the case  but a cynic would...
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_obama_s_note
> 
> Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer By ARON HELLER, 
> Associated Press Writer
> Fri Jul 25, 4:26 PM ET
> 
> 
> An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a handwritten prayer left 
> by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western Wall drew 
> criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his relationship 
> with God.
> 
> In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday, Obama asks 
> God to guide him and guard his family.
> 
> "Lord  Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me 
> guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is 
> right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the 
> note published in Maariv.
> 
> Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page Friday. It said 
> the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary student 
> immediately after Obama left.
> 
> Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny the note 
> was Obama's, but the handwriting was similar to another message 
> written by the presidential candidate during his time in Israel this 
> week.
> 
> The paper's decision to make the note public brought quick criticism 
> from religious authorities. The rabbi in charge of the Western Wall, 
> Shmuel Rabinovitz, called it an intrusion on Obama's intimate 
> relationship with God.
> 
> "The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between 
> a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or make any use 
> of them," Rabinovitz told Army Radio.
> 
> The newspaper's action "damages the Western Wall and damages the 
> personal, deep part of every one of us that we keep to ourselves," he 
> added.
> 
> Many visitors to the 2,000-year-old Western Wall leave notes in its 
> crevices bearing requests and prayers. Obama placed a small note and 
> then bowed his head during a pre-dawn visit Thursday, following a day 
> spent in talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.
> 
> The Western Wall is the lone remaining outer retaining wall of the 
> second biblical Jewish temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in 
> A.D. 70. Revered as Judaism's holiest site, it stands where the Bible 
> says King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple, which was destroyed 
> by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.
> 
> "It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall 
> should become a subject of public knowledge at all," said Jonathan 
> Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious community and 
> director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank.
> 
> "There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's 
> private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to the wall 
> expects that those communication will be protected," Rosenblum said.
> 
> Another Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, published an article 
> Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided against 
> publishing it out of respect for Obama's privacy. Nearly all other 
> Israeli media ignored the story.
> 
> Thousands of notes and prayers are stuffed into the cracks of the 
> wall. In recent years, the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, which 
> operates the site, has opened a fax hot line and a Web site where 
> people overseas can send their prayers and have them printed out and 
> put in the wall.
> 
> The wall is emptied of its notes several times a year. The papers are 
> treated as a prayer book and buried, rather than burned.
> 
> While Maariv drew criticism, the removal and publication of the note 
> did not appear violate any laws. Police officials said they were not 
> investigating the incident.
> 
> The handwriting appeared to match a message that Obama wrote 
> Wednesday in the guest book at Yad Vashem, Israel's official 
> Holocaust memorial. It was written on stationery from the King David 
> Hotel, where Obama stayed while in Israel.
> 
> Obama signed the Yad Vashem message. The note from the Western Wall 
> was unsigned. 
> 
> At the Western Wall, Obama was greeted by a crowd of curious 
> onlookers and photographers. He donned a white skullcap, listened to 
> a rabbi read a prayer, and inserted a folded white paper between the 
> stones. One hardline Israeli protester shouted, "Obama, Jerusalem is 
> not for sale." 
> 
> The visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories was part of an 
> international tour meant to sh

1217169156

Keith, your playing the "Rachel True" card has restored my faith in
your eyesight!  If I ruled Hollywood there would be a 24 hour Rachel
True channel.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most
people thought the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so!
Penny Johnson is also gorgeous. I don't think she's an
"unconventional" beauty, as if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather
think some narrow-minded people decide the likes of Berry, Jolie,
Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, then make anyone else seem
to be "other". For example, for 20 years or so, the standard of beauty
in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or light skin (the
so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never gotten.Heather Locklear
and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful.  Even Black
women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted
Scarlett Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and
Cindy Crawford voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is
just fine, and the other two would pale in comparison t
> o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam
Grier, or Selma Hayek.
> 
> As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a
variety of body types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never
narrow it down to a particular type. 
> 
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> > Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right
after Soul 
> > Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> > personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in
Pauley Perrette's 
> > Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on
Half and 
> > Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is
also the type of 
> > woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or
how you dress 
> > her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> > beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as
in I can't 
> > figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi
Goldberg was (and 
> > pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> > very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and
cultural 
> > definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last
comment on this 
> > subject; If you look deeply and 
> > open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in
every one. It 
> > is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature
to be noticed 
> > by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me think
on a 
> > Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> > 
> > "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? That's 
> > Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> > 
> > We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you.
It's a 
> > slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> > 
> > "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> > Vonnegut 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> > From: Astromancer 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> > 
> > Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> > attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> > 'obvious' beauties... 
> > 
> > "I am me," said the stranger, "and I work for the ones who pay my 
> > fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> > Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> > 
> > From: ravenadal 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> > Speculation) 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:01 AM 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > She's so fine 
> > (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> > Wish she were mine 
> > (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> > (So fine) oh yeah 
> > (She's so fine) she's so fine 
> > (So fine) uh-huh 
> > (She's so fine) 
> > She's so fine. 
> > 
> > As my pappy used to say, "there's no accounting for taste and 
> > ya'll 
> > don't have any!" 
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Astromancer wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Well, I'm not overly WOW'd by Rosario either...However the other 
> > Dawson, Roxan, rings my chimes quite nicely...especially in the rare 
> > rea

[scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

Thanks Tracy, I will check it out!

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Why don't you call that source I gave you on Monday or call Conde
Nast on Monday to get the reprint.  Most Magazines will let you order
reprints by phone or online with a credit card
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:30 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue"
Goes Into
> Reprints
> 
> I went on Ebay and some sellers are asking up to $300 for this issue!
>  The cheapest I saw was $24.  I understand Conde Nast has produced
> 100,000 more copies that they are selling at $19.99 a piece.
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > This former model who was told to "stay out of the sun" so I would
> not get
> > too dark and to "keep the braids out -- you don't want to look too
> ethnic",
> > thanks you for this post.  Here are some resources you can use for
> getting
> > it.  I'm going to try to get it for my daughter, whose favorite song
> is " I
> > am not my hair" by India Aire (sp)
> > 
> > Fashionista scanned the whole thing" Jezebel 
> >
>
http://fashionista.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=6&tag=Vogue%20Italia
> > &limit=20
> > 
> > Jezebel has a nice selection of images.
> >
http://jezebel.com/5024967/italian-vogues-all-black-issue-a-guided-tour
> > 
> > 
> > Around the World Fashion publications will take phone orders
> (212)575.8543
> >  Universal News Cafe may have  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of ravenadal
> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:23 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes
Into
> > Reprints
> > 
> > (Does anybody have this issue?  I have looked all over creation and 
> > tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue.  Of 
> > course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise!  
> > I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
> > but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue.  None of the other 
> > outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
> > the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
> > INDIAN Vogue!)
> > 
> > ~(no)rave!
> > 
> > http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html
> > 
> > Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints
> > 
> > As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
> > newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
> > about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
> > in particular, struck me:  
> > 
> > 
> > "America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
> > for a black model?"
> > 
> > Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
> > history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
> > percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
> > stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
> > shot the cover story, says, 
> > 
> > "I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
> > girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 
> > 
> > Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
> > advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
> > consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
> > concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
> > on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 
> > 
> > So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
> > ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

2008-07-27 Thread moondancerdrake


I guess I find beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially
unacceptable, as in I can't figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked
the young Whoopi Goldberg was (and pretty, when she wasn't making
faces...) That's it in a nutshell though it is a very long list of women
I find attractive beyond the social and cultural definitions with
quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on this subject; If
you look deeply and

Hey can't say no one noticed. I was the same way growing up, with what
other sonsidered odd veiw of what was beautiful. Many of the women media
saw as perfect "10"s I thought were unattractive, but Whoopi? Wow, did I
have a serious crush on her. Maybe even bigger than my current crush on
Queen Latifah, but then I don't think I ever lost my crush on Whoopi,
unlike so many other fickle facinations I've had in the past.   [:">]

Moon



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

Preachify, brother!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 4:13 AM

Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with beauty
when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what comes
out decides whether she'll hold my attention after..

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM

Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people thought
the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is also
gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as
if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people
decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty,
then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years
or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or
light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never
gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. 
Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett
Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford
voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other
two would pale in comparison t
o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or
Selma Hayek.

As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of body
types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a particular
type. 


-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley
Perrette's 
> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the
type of 
> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you
dress 
> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I
can't 
> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg
was (and 
> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on
this 
> subject; If you look deeply and 
> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one.
It 
> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be
noticed 
> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me
think on a 
> Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> 
> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> 
> We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's
a 
> slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> 
> "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> Vonnegut 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> From: Astromancer 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> 
> Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> 'obvious' beauties... 
> 
> I am me, said the stranger, and I work for the ones who pay my 
> fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> Badie 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> 
> From: ravenadal 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:01 AM 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She's so fine 
> (Do

Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

Thank you very much, my friend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 4:28 AM

Oh, BTW, Happy Birthday, Martin!

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:13 AM

Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with beauty
when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what comes
out decides whether she'll hold my attention after..

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM

Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people thought
the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is also
gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as
if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people
decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty,
then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years
or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or
light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never
gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. 
Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett
Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford
voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other
two would pale in comparison t
o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or
Selma Hayek.

As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of body
types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a particular
type. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley
Perrette's 
> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the
type of 
> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you
dress 
> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I
can't 
> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg
was (and 
> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on
this 
> subject; If you look deeply and 
> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one.
It 
> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be
noticed 
> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me
think on a 
> Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> 
> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> 
> We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's
a 
> slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> 
> "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> Vonnegut 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> From: Astromancer 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> 
> Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> 'obvious

Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

Oh, BTW, Happy Birthday, Martin!

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:13 AM

Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with beauty
when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what comes
out decides whether she'll hold my attention after..

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM

Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people thought
the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is also
gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as
if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people
decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty,
then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years
or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or
light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never
gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. 
Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett
Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford
voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other
two would pale in comparison t
o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or
Selma Hayek.

As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of body
types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a particular
type. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley
Perrette's 
> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the
type of 
> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you
dress 
> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I
can't 
> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg
was (and 
> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on
this 
> subject; If you look deeply and 
> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one.
It 
> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be
noticed 
> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me
think on a 
> Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> 
> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> 
> We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's
a 
> slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> 
> "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> Vonnegut 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> From: Astromancer 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> 
> Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> 'obvious' beauties... 
> 
> I am me, said the stranger, and I work for the ones who pay my 
> fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> Badie 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> 
> From: ravenadal 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifino

Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation)

Whoa...One more time...the superficial stuff aint got a thing to do with beauty 
when it comes to me...mainly because once a woman opens her mouth, what comes 
out decides whether she'll hold my attention after..

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
Speculation)
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:30 AM

Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people thought
the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is also
gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as
if she doesn't fit some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people
decide the likes of Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty,
then make anyone else seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years
or so, the standard of beauty in the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or
light skin (the so-called "cheerleader" look) that I've never
gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful. 
Even Black women have fallen into this trap at times, with many actresses going
thin to fit in. I read a magazine article recently that hinted Scarlett
Johansen was borderline heavy and called Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford
voluptuous! Where and when I come from, Scarlett is just fine, and the other
two would pale in comparison t
o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or
Selma Hayek.

As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of body
types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a particular
type. 


-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with
attributes of 
> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley
Perrette's 
> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the
type of 
> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you
dress 
> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I
guess I find 
> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I
can't 
> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg
was (and 
> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell
though it is a 
> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on
this 
> subject; If you look deeply and 
> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one.
It 
> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be
noticed 
> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me
think on a 
> Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> 
> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's 
> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> 
> We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's
a 
> slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> 
> "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> Vonnegut 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> From: Astromancer 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains &
Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> 
> Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> 'obvious' beauties... 
> 
> I am me, said the stranger, and I work for the ones who pay my 
> fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> Badie 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> 
> From: ravenadal 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:01 AM 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She's so fine 
> (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> Wish she were mine 
> (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> (So fine) oh yeah 
> (She's so fine) she's so fine 
> (So fine) uh-huh 
> (She's so fine) 
> She's so fine. 
> 
> As my pappy used to say, "there's no accounting for taste and 
> ya'll 
> don't have any!" 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In [E

Re: [scifinoir2] Playstation 2 component incites African war

...Very smart of you...

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He is Johnny 
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Maurice Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Maurice Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Playstation 2 component incites African war
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 7:16 PM

I hear you.  But no WAY I'm going to try to upgrade my BIOS...Not any
more...

Reece 

Visit me here for advice and discounts! 
www.emjenn-security-solutions.com

- Original Message 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:06:45 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Playstation 2 component incites African war

I hope it makes you very happy...I loathe them...the final straw that
terminated my desire to purchase any more HP products was the fact that I tried
to upgrade the BIOS on my motherboard and ended up with a $500
paperweight...Just don't let your warranty run out or you're screwed...

"See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk?
That's Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Sat, 7/26/08, Maurice Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Maurice Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Playstation 2 component incites African war
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 7:27 AM

I think it's really ironic that I'm reading your post on an HP laptop
with Vista!
I LOVE HP!    

Reece 

Visit me here for advice and discounts! 
www.emjenn-security-solutions.com

- Original Message 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:44:32 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Playstation 2 component incites African war

That confirms my comitment to buy PC only games...I bet HP uses that
blood-tainted stuff in its computers...(spit!!!)

I am me, said the stranger, and I work for the ones who pay my
fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W.
Badie

--- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [scifinoir2] Playstation 2 component incites African war
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 7:45 AM

Playstation 2 component incites African war

Console war reaches past the couch and into the Congo, claims report.

By Ben Silverman

Has the video game industry dug up its very own blood diamond?

According to a report by activist site Toward Freedom, for the past
decade the search for a rare metal necessary in the manufacturing of
Sony's Playstation 2 game console has fueled a brutal conflict in the
Democratic Republic of Congo.

At the center of the conflict is the unrefined metallic ore, coltan.
After processing, coltan turns into a powder called tantalum, which is
used extensively in a wealth of western electronic devices including
cell phones, computers and, of course, game consoles.

Allegedly, the demand for coltan prompted Rwandan military groups and
western mining companies to plunder hundreds of millions of dollars
worth of the rare metal, often by forcing prisoners-of- war and even
children to work in the country's coltan mines.

"Kids in Congo were being sent down mines to die so that kids in
Europe and America could kill imaginary aliens in their living rooms,"
said Ex-British Parliament Member Oona King.

So where's the connection to Sony? According to Toward Freedom, during
the 2000 launch of the PS2, the electronics giant was having trouble
meeting consumer demand. To pump out more units, Sony required a
significant increase in the production of electric capacitors, which
are primarily made with tantalum. This helped drive the world price of
the powder from $49/pound to a whopping $275/pound, resulting in the
frenzied scouring of the Congolese hills known for being ripe with coltan.

Sony has since sworn off using tantalum acquired from the Congo,
claiming that current builds of the PS2, PSP and PS3 consoles are
sourced from a variety of mines in several different countries.

But according to researcher David Barouski, they're hardly off the hook.

"SONY's PlayStation 2 launch...was a big part of the huge increase in
demand for coltan that began in early 1999," he explained. "SONY and
other companies like it, have the benefit of plausible deniability,
because the coltan ore trades hands so many times from when it is
mined to when SONY gets a processed product, that a company often has
no idea where the original coltan ore came from, and frankly don't
care to know. But statistical analysis shows it to be nearly
inconceivable that SONY made all its PlayStations without using
Congolese coltan."

Currently, the Playstation 2 is the best-selling video game console of
all-time, having sold through over 140 million units. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Italian Vogue's July 2008 "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

Yet while they're touting this big step, the Italian government is putting 
plans in motion to fingerprint and track "gypsies" in their country like some 
kind of neo-fascist pogrom. Go figure humanity

-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
(Does anybody have this issue? I have looked all over creation and 
tarnation and have not been able to scare up a single issue. Of 
course, I know I live in the big town of Milwaukee but jeez louise! 
I found the JUNE issue of Italian Vogue at a local Barnes and Noble 
but, I was told, they weren't sent the JULY issue. None of the other 
outlets I searched carried Italian Vogue although I was able to find 
the July issues of French Vogue, Australian Vogue and, improbably, 
INDIAN Vogue!)

~(no)rave!

http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_over/2008/07/italian-vogues.html

Italian Vogue's "Black Issue" Goes Into Reprints

As 10,000 freshly printed copies of the July edition are shipped to 
newsstands, Italian Vogue editor Franca Sozzani talked to Reuters 
about the magazine's incredibly successful "Black Issue." This quote, 
in particular, struck me: 

"America ... is ready for a black president, so why are we not ready 
for a black model?"

Aren't we ready, though? This issue is the first in Condé Nast's 
history to be reprinted to satisfy demand. Ad sales were up 30 
percent for this issue, even though many of those same advertisers 
stuck with white models in their ads. Photographer Steven Meisel, who 
shot the cover story, says, 

"I've asked my advertising clients so many times, `Can we use a black 
girl?' They say no. Advertisers say black models don't sell." 

Right. They don't sell advertising, which is why these same 
advertisers snapped up pages in this edition. They don't sell 
consumer goods, and it has nothing to do with the product or the ad 
concept. They don't sell at the newsstand, but it was Gwyneth Paltrow 
on the cover of the year's worst selling issue. 

So where does the problem really lie? Looks like America is certainly 
ready for more diverse models, but are magazines?


 

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Rachel True is gorgeous! It always struck me as funny that most people thought 
the actress playing her sister was the hot one. Not so! Penny Johnson is also 
gorgeous. I don't think she's an "unconventional" beauty, as if she doesn't fit 
some standard. I rather think some narrow-minded people decide the likes of 
Berry, Jolie, Paltrow, etc., are some standard of beauty, then make anyone else 
seem to be "other". For example, for 20 years or so, the standard of beauty in 
the US has been thin bodies and blonde hair or light skin (the so-called 
"cheerleader" look) that I've never gotten.Heather Locklear and the likes of 
Paris Hilton are touted as beautiful.  Even Black women have fallen into this 
trap at times, with many actresses going thin to fit in. I read a magazine 
article recently that hinted Scarlett Johansen was borderline heavy and called 
Claude Schiffer and Cindy Crawford voluptuous! Where and when I come from, 
Scarlett is just fine, and the other two would pale in comparison t
o true voluptuousness like that to be found with Racque Welch, Pam Grier, or 
Selma Hayek.

As you state below, beauty has a wide range that encompasses a variety of body 
types, colors, faces, and attitudes, and I never narrow it down to a particular 
type. 


-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Aw, man...Why do you wanna make me think on a Saturday...right after Soul 
> Train?? Okay, I can't give you names because I has more to do with attributes 
> of 
> personality; like like cleverly disguised intelligence, as in Pauley 
> Perrette's 
> Abby Sciuto on NCIS; or the quirky Rachel True (older sister on Half and 
> Half..or the the only sistah in the movie The Craft). There is also the type 
> of 
> woman who is undeniably feminine no matter where you put her or how you dress 
> her (as in Roxann Dawson & Penny Johnson Jerald [Kassidy yates}) I guess I 
> find 
> beauty in the unusual of the sometimes socially unacceptable, as in I can't 
> figure out how no one noticed how 'stacked the young Whoopi Goldberg was (and 
> pretty, when she wasn't making faces...) That's it in a nutshell though it is 
> a 
> very long list of women I find attractive beyond the social and cultural 
> definitions with quickly become cliche` to me...Okay, my last comment on this 
> subject; If you look deeply and 
> open-mindedly at any woman, you will see something beautiful in every one. It 
> is a gift given to all females that I think was designed by Nature to be 
> noticed 
> by the 'right man' for them...Told you you shouldn't make me think on a 
> Saturday...after Soul Train... 
> 
> "See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? That's 
> Johnny Ross." From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Martin wrote: 
> 
> From: Martin 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:56 AM 
> 
> We need names, pal. Not to make you justify our ground, mind you. It's a 
> slow Saturday, and my imagination could use a romp or three... ;-) 
> 
> "My father said, 'When in doubt, castle."- Kurt 
> Vonnegut 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> --- On Sat, 7/26/08, Astromancer wrote: 
> From: Astromancer 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:47 AM 
> 
> Not questioning your tastes...Didn't even say she wasn't 
> attractive...Sorry, but I got mine and you got yours...don't go for 
> 'obvious' beauties... 
> 
> I am me, said the stranger, and I work for the ones who pay my 
> fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. 
> Badie 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/25/08, ravenadal wrote: 
> 
> From: ravenadal 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Rosario is so...(was: Batman Villains & Casting 
> Speculation) 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 8:01 AM 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She's so fine 
> (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> Wish she were mine 
> (Do-lang-do- lang-do-lang) 
> (So fine) oh yeah 
> (She's so fine) she's so fine 
> (So fine) uh-huh 
> (She's so fine) 
> She's so fine. 
> 
> As my pappy used to say, "there's no accounting for taste and 
> ya'll 
> don't have any!" 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Astromancer wrote: 
> > 
> > Well, I'm not overly WOW'd by Rosario either...However the other 
> Dawson, Roxan, rings my chimes quite nicely...especially in the rare 
> really sexy outfits I've seen her in... 
> > 
> > "I am me," said the stranger, "and I work for the ones who 
> pay my 
> fee...and that's not you." - The Side Street Chonicles by 
> C.W. Badie 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Martin wrote: 
> > 
> > From: Martin 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Batman Villains & Casting Speculation 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com 
> > Date: Thurs

Re: [scifinoir2] Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer

a cynic would say the obama camp was behind this as a perfect way to show those 
hesitant conservatives that he's a good religious non-Muslim after all. what 
more convincing way than to have a private prayer stolen in order to show that?
i dont' think that's the case  but a cynic would...


-- Original message -- 
From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_obama_s_note

Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's private prayer By ARON HELLER, 
Associated Press Writer
Fri Jul 25, 4:26 PM ET


An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a handwritten prayer left 
by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western Wall drew 
criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his relationship 
with God.

In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday, Obama asks 
God to guide him and guard his family.

"Lord  Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me 
guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is 
right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the 
note published in Maariv.

Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page Friday. It said 
the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary student 
immediately after Obama left.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs would neither confirm nor deny the note 
was Obama's, but the handwriting was similar to another message 
written by the presidential candidate during his time in Israel this 
week.

The paper's decision to make the note public brought quick criticism 
from religious authorities. The rabbi in charge of the Western Wall, 
Shmuel Rabinovitz, called it an intrusion on Obama's intimate 
relationship with God.

"The notes placed between the stones of the Western Wall are between 
a person and his maker. It is forbidden to read them or make any use 
of them," Rabinovitz told Army Radio.

The newspaper's action "damages the Western Wall and damages the 
personal, deep part of every one of us that we keep to ourselves," he 
added.

Many visitors to the 2,000-year-old Western Wall leave notes in its 
crevices bearing requests and prayers. Obama placed a small note and 
then bowed his head during a pre-dawn visit Thursday, following a day 
spent in talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

The Western Wall is the lone remaining outer retaining wall of the 
second biblical Jewish temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in 
A.D. 70. Revered as Judaism's holiest site, it stands where the Bible 
says King Solomon built the first Jewish Temple, which was destroyed 
by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.

"It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall 
should become a subject of public knowledge at all," said Jonathan 
Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious community and 
director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think tank.

"There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's 
private communications, and certainly anyone who goes to the wall 
expects that those communication will be protected," Rosenblum said.

Another Israeli newspaper, Yediot Ahronot, published an article 
Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided against 
publishing it out of respect for Obama's privacy. Nearly all other 
Israeli media ignored the story.

Thousands of notes and prayers are stuffed into the cracks of the 
wall. In recent years, the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, which 
operates the site, has opened a fax hot line and a Web site where 
people overseas can send their prayers and have them printed out and 
put in the wall.

The wall is emptied of its notes several times a year. The papers are 
treated as a prayer book and buried, rather than burned.

While Maariv drew criticism, the removal and publication of the note 
did not appear violate any laws. Police officials said they were not 
investigating the incident.

The handwriting appeared to match a message that Obama wrote 
Wednesday in the guest book at Yad Vashem, Israel's official 
Holocaust memorial. It was written on stationery from the King David 
Hotel, where Obama stayed while in Israel.

Obama signed the Yad Vashem message. The note from the Western Wall 
was unsigned. 

At the Western Wall, Obama was greeted by a crowd of curious 
onlookers and photographers. He donned a white skullcap, listened to 
a rabbi read a prayer, and inserted a folded white paper between the 
stones. One hardline Israeli protester shouted, "Obama, Jerusalem is 
not for sale." 

The visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories was part of an 
international tour meant to shore up Obama's foreign affairs 
credentials ahead of the November election. Obama's prospective 
rival, John McCain, visited Israel in March. 

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