date:20081016

Free Sailing For Pirate Bay

10 October 2008 10:37 AM, PDT

Details of a ruling by an Italian court overturning a decree from a public
prosecutor that blocked the BitTorrent search site The Pirate Bay indicate
that it may be more far-reaching than initially supposed. According to a
translation of key sections of the ruling appearing on the website
TorrentFreak.com, the Court of Bergamo went beyond The Pirate Bay's argument
that it merely posted information about BitTorrent sites and did not offer
bootlegged movies itself. The judge instead ruled that Italian authorities
had no jurisdiction over foreign websites that are accused of copyright
infringement. According to the translation, the judge stated: "No [Italian]
criminal court is allowed to issue an order to ISPs [Internet Service
Providers] to block traffic to a foreign website based on alleged copyright
infringement." The court cited a 2000 e-commerce act by the European Union,
which states that European countries cannot require ISPs to oversee the data
that they transmit or store.

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0581789/

[scifinoir2] Movie Reviews: City Of Ember


Movie Reviews: City Of Ember


10 October 2008 10:37 AM, PDT

The kiddie sci-fi flick City   of
Ember, which features Tim   Robbins,
Harry Treadaway  , Saoirse Ronan
 , and Bill Murray
 , may end up a movie of embers after
the critics get done with it. Actually, most of them find the overall look
of the film quite impressive. It's set in a future post-apocalyptic world
where humanity lives in an underground city. That the film fails as both "a
kids' adventure and a dystopian finger-wag," writes Robert Abele in the Los
Angeles Times "is a shame for all the dazzling craftsmanship brought forth
from its production team." Liam Lacey writes in the Toronto Globe and Mail
that director Gil Kenan  's "strength
as a set-designer works against the story. The escape from the
claustrophobic city should feel like an escape to light and freedom;
instead, it feels like being kicked out of a cool club where you'd prefer to
spend more time." On the other hand, Ty Burr
  in the Boston Globe comments: "For
all its missed chances, though, City of Ember
  still casts a neat glow." And Susan
Walker concludes in the Toronto Star: "City of Ember
  is a thrilling adventure tale and
teen fantasy that is grounded in real concerns about who is managing the
planet." Note:Summaries of additional new releases will be posted here on
Monday.

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0581794/

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

I liked it toobetter than Fringe.  Fringe feels like an X-files procedural.
Not that I mind, but Im not on the edge of my seat like I thought I would
be. However, I still want to know the purpose of the personality split
program.

They are not cancelling My Worst Enemy as Far as I Know, but I think the
first few episodes main purpose is to get people hooked fast before they can
get axed

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:09 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

Gosh...I must be very easy to please. I found the premise of the show
fascinating...If they have cancelled this show already (I didn't catch the
beginning of the thread), There will be no thought-provoking shows on the
air this year...I find My Own Worst enemy a whole lot more interesting than
Fringe, a show that depends a lot on a leap of faith into your suspension of
disbelief...

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and George Clinton? He is
Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:38 AM

Tracey, is there an "all of the above" option?

<-Original Message->

From: Tracey de Morsella
Sent: 10/14/2008 10:42:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy 

I think that the fast pace is set up to manage the short attention span of
American TV viewers and to draw them in fast before the show is cancelled.
In the past most shows had from ½ a season to two years to find an audience.
These days, shows are dropped after two  to six weeks if they do not find an
audience.What do you think.  Is it intentional or simply poor writing
and direction?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

That's one problem I had: the show was too fast paced. Sitting here thinking
about it tonight, I thought "the show was like a comic book: quick intro and
setup, quick move to the hero (or villain) being created".  It's as if they
wanted to get all the troublesome background, buildup and logic out of the
way and just jump to the stories, the same way those early comic books
created the superhero in quick not-always-credible order. Now, that's okay
as long as the stories that follow are very good. I have hope with Slater
and Woodard, and will give it a chance. Slater's good as the scary, almost
sinister agent, and funny as the civilian persona. At the very first, I
thought he was having trouble making the two characters seem different--they
both seemed like the same exact character using different voices. But later
he managed to strike a chord where each character seemed to stand on his
own. Not sure where it's going, but I'll give it a try. 

 -- Original message  -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED] rt.com> 

I haven't turned a TV show off within the first 15 minutes in a long time.
but I did last night. I like Christian Slater. I like Alfre Woodard. Hey,
they're Star Trek alumn. But this show is just not enough for me. There's no
way I'm going to watch a whole series paced like this. I thought they gave
away the best part of the show within the first act. I needed to sit through
two episodes thinking this guy was a clone or something. It would have been
nice to have a mystery wrapped in an enigma. but this just gave me
everything at once and I decided I didn't like it. Poorly paced, and I
think, though I haven't watched an entire episode...poorly written. 

i DO have to say that while NBC keeps greenlighting shows that are horrible,
these shows consistently LOOK beautiful! the shots were well chosen and
LOOKED great. the makeup, costuming, sets, etc...all looked great. I really
really need NBC Universal to put this kind of energy into Sci Fi Channel. 

On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:17 AM, marian_changling wrote:

Yes, it is the actor who is making this work. It did surprise me that
Edward's boss would tell Henry everything. (Maybe because she assumed
that Henry could be easily erased?) But it did set up the
communication between the two personalities. As I remember, a similar
communication method evolved in "Jekyll". I didn't catch the
credits...there are so many similarities. Are we ripping off a
British show again? 

Picky is important. If the magician can't convince you with the
pledge, you aren't going to wait around for the prestige. 

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]   ups.com,
KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
>
> I like it because I like Christian Slater, but some things confuse
me. Such as,

[scifinoir2] Sorry Dad, I'm Voting For Obama

2008-10-16 Thread Bosco Bosco

This is just too frackin sweet

Sorry, Dad, I'm Voting for Obama

by Christopher Buckley

Christopher Buckley's books include Supreme Courtship
, The White
House Mess, Thank You for Smoking, Little Green Men, and Florence of Arabia.
His journalism, satire, and criticism has appeared in The New Yorker, The New
York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Vanity Fair, Vogue, and Esquire. He was
chief speechwriter for Vice President George H.W. Bush, and the founder and
editor-in-chief of Forbes FYI.

http://media.thedailybeast.com/dailybeast/live/files/2008/10/04/img-author-christopher-buckley_143122782145.jpg')>
The son of William F. Buckley has decided— !shock!— to vote for a Democrat.

Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack
Obama bandwagon. It's a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive.
They'd cut off my allowance.

Or would they? But let's get that part out of the way. The only reason
my vote would be of any interest to anyone is that my last name happens
to be Buckley—a name I inherited. So in the event anyone notices or
cares, the headline will be: "William F. Buckley's Son Says He Is
Pro-Obama." I know, I know: It lacks the throw-weight of "Ron Reagan Jr. to
Address Democratic Convention," but it'll have to do.

Dear Pup once said to me, "You know, I've spent my entire life time separating
the Right from the kooks."

I am—drum roll, please, cue trumpets—making this announcement in the
cyberpages of The Daily Beast (what joy to be writing for a publication
so named!) rather than in the pages of National Review, where I write the
back-page column. For a reason: My colleague, the superb and very dishy
Kathleen Parker, recently wrote in National Review Online a column stating what
John Cleese as Basil Fawlty would call "the bleeding obvious": namely, that
Sarah Palin
is an embarrassment, and a dangerous one at that. She's not exactly
alone. New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at
NR, just called Governor Palin "a cancer on the Republican Party."

As for Kathleen, she has to date received 12,000 (quite literally)
foam-at-the-mouth hate-emails. One correspondent, if that's quite the
right word, suggested that Kathleen's mother should have aborted her
and tossed the fetus into a Dumpster. There's Socratic dialogue
for you. Dear Pup once said to me sighfully after a right-winger who
fancied himself a WFB protégé had said something transcendently and
provocatively cretinous, "You know, I've spent my entire life time
separating the Right from the kooks." Well, the dear man did his best.
At any rate, I don't have the kidney at the moment for 12,000 emails
saying how good it is he's no longer alive to see his Judas of a son
endorse for the presidency a covert Muslim who pals around with the
Weather Underground. So, you're reading it here first.

As to the particulars, assuming anyone gives a fig, here goes:

I have known John McCain
personally since 1982. I wrote a well-received speech for him. Earlier
this year, I wrote in The New York Times—I'm beginning to sound like Paul
Krugman,
who cannot begin a column without saying, "As I warned the world in my
last column..."—a highly favorable Op-Ed about McCain, taking Rush Limbaugh
and the others in the Right Wing Sanhedrin to task for going after
McCain for being insufficiently conservative. I don't—still—doubt that
McCain's instincts remain fundamentally conservative. But the problem
is otherwise.

McCain rose to power on his personality and biography. He was
authentic. He spoke truth to power. He told the media they were "jerks"
(a sure sign of authenticity, to say nothing of good taste; we are
jerks). He was real. He was unconventional. He embraced former anti-war
leaders. He brought resolution to the awful missing-POW business. He
brought about normalization with Vietnam—his former torturers! Yes, he erred in
accepting plane rides and vacations from Charles Keating,
but then, having been cleared on technicalities, groveled in apology
before the nation. He told me across a lunch table, "The Keating
business was much worse than my five and a half years in Hanoi, because
I at least walked away from that with my honor." Your heart went out to
the guy. I thought at the time, God, this guy should be president
someday.

A year ago, when everyone, including the man I'm about to endorse, was
caterwauling to get out of Iraq
on the next available flight, John McCain, practically alone, said no,
no—bad move. Surge. It seemed a suicidal position to take, an act of
political bravery of the kind you don't see a whole lot of anymore.

But that was—sigh—then. John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the
Republican debacle post-1994, "We came to Washington
to change it, and Washington changed us." This campaign has changed
John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-firs

Re: [scifinoir2] Plan to See "Max Payne"?

Let us know what you think

-- Original message -- 
From: Grayson Reyes-Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I'm all over it. Loved the game (LOOSELY IS RIGHT) and don't mind some Marky 
Mark minus the buncha punks.


Grayson Reyes-Cole 
http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
Facebook
Bright Star 
When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid...
Lyrical Press October 2008



--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Mike Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Mike Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Plan to See "Max Payne"?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:03 AM


I want to see it. It looks really good.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM,  wrote:
> Anyone plan to see Marky Mark's latest flick, based (loosely?) on the
> videogame? I must admit that the trailer looks pretty good, but I know
> better than to judge a movie based on that alone. Never played the video
> game, no idea what it's like. Trying to decide on whether to lay down the
> five bucks for the movie this weekend. Any early buzz?
> I will say, the website has some cool effects on initial entry.
> http://www.maxpayne themovie. com/US/index. html
>
>
>
> 

-- 
Michael Street, jr
streetforce1@ gmail.com
http://www.greasygu ide.com

Obama 08 - Yes we can
http://www.barackob ama.com

Re: [scifinoir2] Plan to See "Max Payne"?

2008-10-16 Thread Grayson Reyes-Cole

I'm all over it. Loved the game (LOOSELY IS RIGHT) and don't mind some Marky 
Mark minus the buncha punks.

Grayson Reyes-Cole 
http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
Facebook
Bright Star 
When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid...
Lyrical Press October 2008

--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Mike Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Mike Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Plan to See "Max Payne"?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 1:03 AM

I want to see it. It looks really good.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM,  wrote:
> Anyone plan to see Marky Mark's latest flick, based (loosely?) on the
> videogame? I must admit that the trailer looks pretty good, but I know
> better than to judge a movie based on that alone. Never played the video
> game, no idea what it's like. Trying to decide on whether to lay down the
> five bucks for the movie this weekend. Any early buzz?
> I will say, the website has some cool effects on initial entry.
> http://www.maxpayne themovie. com/US/index. html
>
>
>
> 

-- 
Michael Street, jr
streetforce1@ gmail.com
http://www.greasygu ide.com

Obama 08 - Yes we can
http://www.barackob ama.com

Re: [scifinoir2] Plan to See "Max Payne"?

2008-10-16 Thread Mike Street

I want to see it. It looks really good.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone plan to see Marky Mark's latest flick, based (loosely?) on the
> videogame?  I must admit that the trailer looks pretty good, but I know
> better than to judge a movie based on that alone.  Never played the video
> game, no idea what it's like. Trying to decide on whether to lay down the
> five bucks for the movie this weekend. Any early buzz?
> I will say, the website has some cool effects on initial entry.
> http://www.maxpaynethemovie.com/US/index.html
>
>
>
> 



-- 
Michael Street, jr
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.greasyguide.com

Obama 08 - Yes we can
http://www.barackobama.com

[scifinoir2] One Good Thing about "Smallville"

You all know I've been a longtime critic of "Smallville". I feel the show 
jumped the shark years ago with endless tales of Meteorock monsters, silly love 
triangles, and premature introduction of characters that shouldn't show up in 
Clark's life for years to come.  And worse, the elimination of just about any 
character over 30 (John and Martha Kent, Lionel Luthor) makes it look more like 
"The O.C." or something than ever. Even Lex and Lana are gone.  Not the same 
show at all.

But watching tonight's ep (I'm a masochist), one thing did occur to me again: 
Tom Welling and Erica Durance make a really good Clark and Lois team. The 
actor's have undeniable chemistry, whether it's doing their constant 
not-too-serious bickering, competing for a story, or backing each other up in a 
crisis. Durance is the perfect foil for Clark, saucy and rude, cynical. She's a 
perfect counterpoint to the oh-so-serious, kinda square Clark.  Durance is also 
a lot more authentic Lois, a lady whose attitude and physical size make you 
believe she can take care of herself in a tight spot--completely unlike the 
slight, girlish, extremely meek-acting Kate Bosworth from the last movie.  She 
holds her own with Welling in every way. They also have pretty good comic 
timing. Watching the two, I think more and more how sad it is that they 
couldn't have been used in the Superman movies, instead of Bosworth and Routh.

Too bad that'll never happen, 'cause they're wasted in a show that's 
increasingly adrift...

[scifinoir2] Plan to See "Max Payne"?

Anyone plan to see Marky Mark's latest flick, based (loosely?) on the 
videogame?  I must admit that the trailer looks pretty good, but I know better 
than to judge a movie based on that alone.  Never played the video game, no 
idea what it's like. Trying to decide on whether to lay down the five bucks for 
the movie this weekend. Any early buzz?
I will say, the website has some cool effects on initial entry.  
http://www.maxpaynethemovie.com/US/index.html

[scifinoir2] Creators Would Love A Xena Reunion

I'm not a big Zena fan, but Battlestar has made me a big Lucy Lawless fan

 

Creators Would Love A Xena Reunion

Rob Tapert, former producer of TV's Xena: Warrior Princess, told SCI FI Wire
that pretty much everyone involved in the old show would love to see Xena
(Lucy Lawless) pick up her chakram once again for a TV movie or some other
kind of reunion project. 

Tapert said he even had an idea in mind, but that matters are entirely out
of his hands. 

"That's a Universal question," Tapert said in an interview, adding: "Meaning
[NBC] Universal ... Television [Group]. I don't control the strings." 

Xena ran from 1995-2001 and starred Lawless--aka Mrs. Rob Tapert--as the
title heroine and Renee O'Connor as her plucky sidekick, Gabrielle. The show
was both a mainstream and a cult success during its time on the air, and to
this day its stars and makers attend conventions worldwide. 

Unfortunately, fans' hopes for a reunion movie have yet to be realized. "We
said long ago that we'd love to do something," Tapert said. "We have a fun,
300-style idea for it. ... I can't answer [why nothing's happening]." (NBC
Universal Television is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.)
--Ian Spelling 

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=61261

[scifinoir2] Battlestar Returns Jan. 16

Battlestar Returns Jan. 16

  Battlestar Galactica returns at 10 p.m.
ET/PT on Jan. 16, 2009, with the remaining episodes of its fourth and final
season, SCI FI Channel announced. 

The 10-week run will culminate with the series finale on March 20. (Spoilers
ahead!) 

The new episodes pick up from last June's cliffhanger, in which the Colonial
fleet, led by Adm. Adama (Edward James Olmos) and the Galactica crew, and
their new Cylon allies arrive on Earth only to find it a barren nuclear
wasteland.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=61270

Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?

So, they could call themselves...

B.P.
B.A., or
B.S.??
The B.S. Channel sounds good!

-- Original message -- 
From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Beyond Pointless
Beyond Atrocious
Beyond Stupid

Bosco

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:28 AM


Ha-ha! Go for it! It'll be great to see the mad rush for a new derogatory name 
to describe "Beyond"!

 -- Original message  -- 
From: "Martin Baxter"  

Keith, I don't know. Maybe "Beyond Belief"? "Beyond Credulity"? "Beyond 
Watchability" ? Looks like I'll have to run an informal poll on this.

<-Original Message->
  From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: 10/14/2008 8:27:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"? 


Well, hell, that's just great. "Beyond" just sounds-crappy- -to me. Beyond 
what? Good taste? Quality? Wrestling? Beyond Z-grade movies? Even with the junk 
like Ghost Hunters and WWE, it's still primarily a scifi channel, so why change 
the name? This sounds like one of those moves where some pinhead suit is trying 
to get a more "mainstream" friendly name, to get away from a perceived taint of 
being a fringe network or something.  Almost as bad as people who prefer 
"Trekker" to "Trekkie"!  :)

Martin, what will you do if you can't use the term "skiffy" anymore??

 * * *

http://io9.com/ 5053760/sci- fi-goes-beyond- in-search- of-new-brand

the SciFi Channel about to call it a day and finally admit that it's giving up 
the sci fi label? That's the rumor going about these here internets after a 
fairly revealing question in what seemed like a rote online survey from the 
channel. Is the home of Stargate, Battlestar Galactica and, um, Extreme 
Championship Wrestling about to go one step Beyond? 
The story broke on the AV Science Forum, of all places, as message board poster 
"Buttabean" posted the following image from the end of a recent survey about 
the channel:

We've complained about the SciFi Channel not living up to its name before, but 
we always kind of saw the solution being to show more sci-fi on the channel, 
not to change the name of the channel. Especially to something as bland as 
"Beyond." Beyond what, exactly? Does this mean that the channel will be hosted 
by an omnipotent being from another dimension with a bad Michael Jackson 
haircut? If so, then not only are we onboard with the new name, we'll rename 
this site "THANKYOUFORBRINGIN GBACKTHEBEYONDER .com"
SCI-FI thinking of changing the name to Beyond [AVSforum]




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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

2008-10-16 Thread Astromancer

Gosh...I must be very easy to please. I found the premise of the show 
fascinating...If they have cancelled this show already (I didn't catch the 
begining of the thread), There will be no thought-provoking shows on the air 
this year...I find My Own Worst enemy a whole lot more interesting than Fringe, 
a show that depends a lot on a leap of faith into your suspension of 
disbelief...

-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and George Clinton? He is 
Johnny Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:38 AM

Tracey, is there an "all of the above" option?

<-Original Message->

From: Tracey de Morsella
Sent: 10/14/2008 10:42:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy 

I think that the fast pace is set up to manage the short attention span of 
American TV viewers and to draw them in fast before the show is cancelled.  In 
the past most shows had from ½ a season to two years to find an audience.  
These days, shows are dropped after two  to six weeks if they do not find an 
audience.    What do you think.  Is it intentional or simply poor writing and 
direction?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf 
Of KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

That's one problem I had: the show was too fast paced. Sitting here thinking 
about it tonight, I thought "the show was like a comic book: quick intro and 
setup, quick move to the hero (or villain) being created".  It's as if they 
wanted to get all the troublesome background, buildup and logic out of the way 
and just jump to the stories, the same way those early comic books created the 
superhero in quick not-always-credible order. Now, that's okay as long as the 
stories that follow are very good. I have hope with Slater and Woodard, and 
will give it a chance. Slater's good as the scary, almost sinister agent, and 
funny as the civilian persona. At the very first, I thought he was having 
trouble making the two characters seem different--they both seemed like the 
same exact character using different voices. But later he managed to strike a 
chord where each character seemed to stand on his own. Not sure where it's 
going, but I'll give it a try. 

 -- Original message  -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED] rt.com> 

I haven't turned a TV show off within the first 15 minutes in a long time. but 
I did last night. I like Christian Slater. I like Alfre Woodard. Hey, they're 
Star Trek alumn. But this show is just not enough for me. There's no way I'm 
going to watch a whole series paced like this. I thought they gave away the 
best part of the show within the first act. I needed to sit through two 
episodes thinking this guy was a clone or something. It would have been nice to 
have a mystery wrapped in an enigma. but this just gave me everything at once 
and I decided I didn't like it. Poorly paced, and I think, though I haven't 
watched an entire episode...poorly written. 

i DO have to say that while NBC keeps greenlighting shows that are horrible, 
these shows consistently LOOK beautiful! the shots were well chosen and LOOKED 
great. the makeup, costuming, sets, etc...all looked great. I really really 
need NBC Universal to put this kind of energy into Sci Fi Channel. 

On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:17 AM, marian_changling wrote:

Yes, it is the actor who is making this work. It did surprise me that
Edward's boss would tell Henry everything. (Maybe because she assumed
that Henry could be easily erased?) But it did set up the
communication between the two personalities. As I remember, a similar
communication method evolved in "Jekyll". I didn't catch the
credits...there are so many similarities. Are we ripping off a
British show again? 

Picky is important. If the magician can't convince you with the
pledge, you aren't going to wait around for the prestige. 

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
>
> I like it because I like Christian Slater, but some things confuse
me. Such as, why would they need to create this type of double
personality for him, but no t for his office buddy and lifelong friend,
who seems to do deep cover missions as well? and why, if his
identities are becoming unhinged, would the organization allow him to
stay by himself at night? Seems to me the unpredictable nature of his
condition would predictably lead to what happened: the personalities
coming and going at odd times.
> And why would his Alfre Woodward's character tell the civilian
personality all about the organization, then leave the guy alone?
Again, I know they said they would

Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?

2008-10-16 Thread Bosco Bosco

Beyond Pointless
Beyond Atrocious
Beyond Stupid

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--- On Thu, 10/16/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:28 AM

Ha-ha! Go for it! It'll be great to see the mad rush for a new derogatory name 
to describe "Beyond"!

 -- Original message  -- 
From: "Martin Baxter"  

Keith, I don't know. Maybe "Beyond Belief"? "Beyond Credulity"? "Beyond 
Watchability" ? Looks like I'll have to run an informal poll on this.

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From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: 10/14/2008 8:27:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"? 

Well, hell, that's just great. "Beyond" just sounds-crappy- -to me. Beyond 
what? Good taste? Quality? Wrestling? Beyond Z-grade movies? Even with the junk 
like Ghost Hunters and WWE, it's still primarily a scifi channel, so why change 
the name? This sounds like one of those moves where some pinhead suit is trying 
to get a more "mainstream" friendly name, to get away from a perceived taint of 
being a fringe network or something.  Almost as bad as people who prefer 
"Trekker" to "Trekkie"!  :)

Martin, what will you do if you can't use the term "skiffy" anymore??

 * * *

http://io9.com/ 5053760/sci- fi-goes-beyond- in-search- of-new-brand

the SciFi Channel about to call it a day and finally admit that it's giving up 
the sci fi label? That's the rumor going about these here internets after a 
fairly revealing question in what seemed like a rote online survey from the 
channel. Is the home of Stargate, Battlestar Galactica and, um, Extreme 
Championship Wrestling about to go one step Beyond? 
The story broke on the AV Science Forum, of all places, as message board poster 
"Buttabean" posted the following image from the end of a recent survey about 
the channel:

We've complained about the SciFi Channel not living up to its name before, but 
we always kind of saw the solution being to show more sci-fi on the channel, 
not to change the name of the channel. Especially to something as bland as 
"Beyond." Beyond what, exactly? Does this mean that the channel will be hosted 
by an omnipotent being from another dimension with a bad Michael Jackson 
haircut? If so, then not only are we onboard with the new name, we'll rename 
this site "THANKYOUFORBRINGIN GBACKTHEBEYONDER .com"
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Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?

Ha-ha! Go for it! It'll be great to see the mad rush for a new derogatory name 
to describe "Beyond"!

-- Original message -- 
From: "Martin Baxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, I don't know. Maybe "Beyond Belief"? "Beyond Credulity"? "Beyond 
Watchability"? Looks like I'll have to run an informal poll on this.

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/14/2008 8:27:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"? 

Well, hell, that's just great. "Beyond" just sounds-crappy--to me. Beyond what? 
Good taste? Quality? Wrestling? Beyond Z-grade movies? Even with the junk like 
Ghost Hunters and WWE, it's still primarily a scifi channel, so why change the 
name? This sounds like one of those moves where some pinhead suit is trying to 
get a more "mainstream" friendly name, to get away from a perceived taint of 
being a fringe network or something.  Almost as bad as people who prefer 
"Trekker" to "Trekkie"!  :)

Martin, what will you do if you can't use the term "skiffy" anymore??

***

http://io9.com/5053760/sci-fi-goes-beyond-in-search-of-new-brand

the SciFi Channel about to call it a day and finally admit that it's giving up 
the sci fi label? That's the rumor going about these here internets after a 
fairly revealing question in what seemed like a rote online survey from the 
channel. Is the home of Stargate, Battlestar Galactica and, um, Extreme 
Championship Wrestling about to go one step Beyond? 
The story broke on the AV Science Forum, of all places, as message board poster 
"Buttabean" posted the following image from the end of a recent survey about 
the channel:

We've complained about the SciFi Channel not living up to its name before, but 
we always kind of saw the solution being to show more sci-fi on the channel, 
not to change the name of the channel. Especially to something as bland as 
"Beyond." Beyond what, exactly? Does this mean that the channel will be hosted 
by an omnipotent being from another dimension with a bad Michael Jackson 
haircut? If so, then not only are we onboard with the new name, we'll rename 
this site "THANKYOUFORBRINGINGBACKTHEBEYONDER.com"
SCI-FI thinking of changing the name to Beyond [AVSforum]

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Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?

2008-10-16 Thread Grayson Reyes-Cole

My vote goes to Beyond Watchability!


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--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 2:43 PM







Keith, I don't know. Maybe "Beyond Belief"? "Beyond Credulity"? "Beyond 
Watchability" ? Looks like I'll have to run an informal poll on this.

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From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Sent: 10/14/2008 8:27:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"? 




Well, hell, that's just great. "Beyond" just sounds-crappy- -to me. Beyond 
what? Good taste? Quality? Wrestling? Beyond Z-grade movies? Even with the junk 
like Ghost Hunters and WWE, it's still primarily a scifi channel, so why change 
the name? This sounds like one of those moves where some pinhead suit is trying 
to get a more "mainstream" friendly name, to get away from a perceived taint of 
being a fringe network or something.  Almost as bad as people who prefer 
"Trekker" to "Trekkie"!  :)
 
Martin, what will you do if you can't use the term "skiffy" anymore??
 
 * * *
 
http://io9.com/ 5053760/sci- fi-goes-beyond- in-search- of-new-brand
 
the SciFi Channel about to call it a day and finally admit that it's giving up 
the sci fi label? That's the rumor going about these here internets after a 
fairly revealing question in what seemed like a rote online survey from the 
channel. Is the home of Stargate, Battlestar Galactica and, um, Extreme 
Championship Wrestling about to go one step Beyond? 
The story broke on the AV Science Forum, of all places, as message board poster 
"Buttabean" posted the following image from the end of a recent survey about 
the channel:

We've complained about the SciFi Channel not living up to its name before, but 
we always kind of saw the solution being to show more sci-fi on the channel, 
not to change the name of the channel. Especially to something as bland as 
"Beyond." Beyond what, exactly? Does this mean that the channel will be hosted 
by an omnipotent being from another dimension with a bad Michael Jackson 
haircut? If so, then not only are we onboard with the new name, we'll rename 
this site "THANKYOUFORBRINGIN GBACKTHEBEYONDER .com"
SCI-FI thinking of changing the name to Beyond [AVSforum]



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Re: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to "Beyond"?

Keith, I don't know. Maybe "Beyond Belief"? "Beyond Credulity"? "Beyond
Watchability"? Looks like I'll have to run an informal poll on this.

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/14/2008 8:27:41 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Sci Fi Channel Considering Name Change to
"Beyond"? 

Well, hell, that's just great. "Beyond" just sounds-crappy--to me.
Beyond what? Good taste? Quality? Wrestling? Beyond Z-grade movies? Even
with the junk like Ghost Hunters and WWE, it's still primarily a scifi
channel, so why change the name? This sounds like one of those moves
where some pinhead suit is trying to get a more "mainstream" friendly
name, to get away from a perceived taint of being a fringe network or
something.  Almost as bad as people who prefer "Trekker" to "Trekkie"!
:)

Martin, what will you do if you can't use the term "skiffy" anymore??

***

http://io9.com/5053760/sci-fi-goes-beyond-in-search-of-new-brand

the SciFi Channel about to call it a day and finally admit that it's
giving up the sci fi label? That's the rumor going about these here
internets after a fairly revealing question in what seemed like a rote
online survey from the channel. Is the home of Stargate, Battlestar
Galactica and, um, Extreme Championship Wrestling about to go one step
Beyond? 

The story broke on the AV Science Forum, of all places, as message board
poster "Buttabean" posted the following image from the end of a recent
survey about the channel:

We've complained about the SciFi Channel not living up to its name
before  , but
we always kind of saw the solution being to show more sci-fi on the
channel, not to change the name of the channel. Especially to something
as bland as "Beyond." Beyond what, exactly? Does this mean that the
channel will be hosted by an omnipotent being from another dimension
with a bad Michael Jackson haircut? If so, then not only are we onboard
with the new name, we'll rename this site
"THANKYOUFORBRINGINGBACKTHEBEYONDER.com"

SCI-FI thinking of changing the name to Beyond
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Re: [scifinoir2] Spanish Movie "Rec" A Superiour Original to "Quarantine"?

No, Keith, I ahven't. A friend of mine, who lives in Japan at the
moment, had almost the same reaction to the movie as this one. Another
person in the same group said this.
 
"Watch the Spanish version. Ignore this."

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/14/2008 10:37:17 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Spanish Movie "Rec" A Superiour Original to
"Quarantine"? 



I was listening to a call-in portion of the "Slice of SciFi" podcast,
and a caller discussed the new movie "Quarantine" that Tracey posted on
yesterday. This caller said "Quarantine" wasn't that good, then went on
to blast America for remaking so many Asian and European movies, which
he stated were usually superiour. As an example, he submitted the
Spanish film "Rec", which he says is the model for the new film
"Quarantine". Looking at "Rec" synopsis below, I see that it does indeed
seem to be the case that "Quarantine" is a remake.  Like "The Grudge"
and some others, the more I look around, the more feedback I see out
there saying the original is indeed superiour.  Anyone here seen the
original Spanish film?  
 
**
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REC_(film
 )
 
Synopsis

REC revolves around a television reporter, Ángela Vidal, and her
cameraman, Pablo, who cover the night shift in one of Barcelona
 's local fire stations for the
fictional documentary 
television   series 'While You
Sleep'. The firehouse receives a call from an apartment building about a
woman who is trapped. When they arrive, the police
  break down the door,
with Ángela and Pablo recording their actions. The woman becomes
extraordinarily aggressive and bites one of the policemen. Meanwhile,
the terrified residents gather in the entrance hall, and look on as the
police and military seal off the building. The camera crew remain
trapped inside the building with the residents, and continu e recording
in spite of police pressure. Ángela interviews a little girl named
Jennifer who lives with her parents and dog in the building. Jennifer is
ill with what her mother claims is tonsilitis. She says her dog, Max, is
at the veterinarian because he appeared to be sick as well.

A health inspector wearing a hazmat suit
  arrives and attempts to
treat the injured, who become fiercely violent despite their critical
injuries. The health inspector explains that the time the disease takes
to cause sickness depends on blood type. The health inspector also
reveals that, sometime during the previous day, a dog with the illness
was taken to the veterinarian; the dog became violent and attacked and
killed other pets at the clinic. The dog was euthanized
 , and was traced back
to the apartment building. Jennifer, the girl who owned the dog, then
suddenly attacks her mother. The inspector tells the distraught
residents that this unknown but virulent disease is infecting people,
causing them to turn into bloodthirsty savages. More and more people in
the building become infected, and Ángela and Pablo are f orced to fight
them off. Eventually they learn that there is a key to a door in the
apartment building workshop, which leads to an exit via the sewer
system. However, the key is located on the third floor in a resident's
apartment.

After finding the key, Ángela and Pablo appear to be the only human
survivors, everyone else being dead or infected. Rather than making
their way to the workshop, they are forced upstairs to the penthouse by
the remaining infected. They then search the penthouse, and discover
that its former owner was an agent of the Vatican
  who was charged with researching
and isolating a suspected virus believed to be the biological cause of
demonic possession, which was later confirmed to exist in a young girl
who was supposedly possessed. The agent kidnapped and brought the girl
to the penthouse to conduct his research and to possibly cure her,
unfortunately during the work the virus managed to mutate and become
contagious. A door to the attic opens, and Pablo uses his camera to look
inside. Something jumps at the camera and breaks its light. Pablo turns
on the night vision to see in the dark and discovers the sealed do or
refer enced earlier by the agent on an audio tape. The agent abandoned
his efforts to cure the girl after failing to engineer a vaccine and
sealed her in the room before leaving. The girl, now a ghoulishly
emaciated figure, begins searching the kitchen area, unaware of Ángela
and Pablo's presence. Pablo tries to escape, but trips and is viciously
attacked by the girl, making Pablo drop the camera. Ángela picks it up
and runs, only to tri

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

Tracey, is there an "all of the above" option?

<-Original Message->

 From: Tracey de Morsella
Sent: 10/14/2008 10:42:44 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy 

I think that the fast pace is set up to manage the short attention span
of American TV viewers and to draw them in fast before the show is
cancelled.  In the past most shows had from ½ a season to two years to
find an audience.  These days, shows are dropped after two  to six weeks
if they do not find an audience.What do you think.  Is it
intentional or simply poor writing and direction?

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:18 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Own worst Enemy

That's one problem I had: the show was too fast paced. Sitting here
thinking about it tonight, I thought "the show was like a comic book:
quick intro and setup, quick move to the hero (or villain) being
created".  It's as if they wanted to get all the troublesome background,
buildup and logic out of the way and just jump to the stories, the same
way those early comic books created the superhero in quick
not-always-credible order. Now, that's okay as long as the stories that
follow are very good. I have hope with Slater and Woodard, and will give
it a chance. Slater's good as the scary, almost sinister agent, and
funny as the civilian persona. At the very first, I thought he was
having trouble making the two characters seem different--they both
seemed like the same exact character using different voices. But later
he managed to strike a chord where each character seemed to stand on his
own. Not sure where it's going, but I'll give it a try. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

I haven't turned a TV show off within the first 15 minutes in a
long time. but I did last night. I like Christian Slater. I like Alfre
Woodard. Hey, they're Star Trek alumn. But this show is just not enough
for me. There's no way I'm going to watch a whole series paced like
this. I thought they gave away the best part of the show within the
first act. I needed to sit through two episodes thinking this guy was a
clone or something. It would have been nice to have a mystery wrapped in
an enigma. but this just gave me everything at once and I decided I
didn't like it. Poorly paced, and I think, though I haven't watched an
entire episode...poorly written. 

i DO have to say that while NBC keeps greenlighting shows that
are horrible, these shows consistently LOOK beautiful! the shots were
well chosen and LOOKED great. the makeup, costuming, sets, etc...all
looked great. I really really need NBC Universal to put this kind of
energy into Sci Fi Channel. 

On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:17 AM, marian_changling wrote:

Yes, it is the actor who is making this work. It did surprise me
that
Edward's boss would tell Henry everything. (Maybe because she
assumed
that Henry could be easily erased?) But it did set up the
communication between the two personalities. As I remember, a
similar
communication method evolved in "Jekyll". I didn't catch the
credits...there are so many similarities. Are we ripping off a
British show again? 

Picky is important. If the magician can't convince you with the
pledge, you aren't going to wait around for the prestige. 

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>
> I like it because I like Christian Slater, but some things
confuse
me. Such as, why would they need to create this type of double
personality for him, but no t for his office buddy and lifelong
friend,
who seems to do deep cover missions as well? and why, if his
identities are becoming unhinged, would the organization allow
him to
stay by himself at night? Seems to me the unpredictable nature
of his
condition would predictably lead to what happened: the
personalities
coming and going at odd times.
> And why would his Alfre Woodward's character tell the civilian
personality all about the organization, then leave the guy
alone?
Again, I know they said they would take care of him, but seems
like
really sloppy behaviour.
> 
> Sounds like I'm being really picky, but those were little
things
that were a bit strange. Why didn't they simply grab the guy as
soon
as he exhibited problems, and held him captive until they were
ready
to do the procedure?
> 
> -- Original message - -- --- 
> From: "marian_changling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> ...still watching this. I have to admit that I li

Re: [scifinoir2] Shuttle driver making $10/hr reflects on Nobel snub