Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[Mr. Worf]

Does anyone get the feeling that Amy Pond knows too much? She answers a lot
of questions before the doctor does. I don't think that is a coincidence.

Also, what about the doctor's former roommate? Allowing someone to share his
information could be a dangerous thing.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:05 PM, angelababycat wrote:

> Who was it (Martin?) that said you dance with the Doctor who brought you to
> the party?  Tenant was my favorite because I never watched DW regularly
> until I joined this group last year and noticed all the buzz about
> show...taped all the eps in the 2-day New Years marathon, so that's what I
> know.  Martha was a little love-struck, but is still my fav companion, and
> Donna would be 2nd because she had the tough sensibillity of a mature woman.
>  The current Dr. doesn't do much for me and neither does Amy Pond.  Maybe
> I'll just be one of those one-doctor Dr. Who fans, but I'll stick with it
> for now.
>
> If you like River Song, Alex plays the character very similarly to her role
> in Moll Flanders, which was on PBS, BBC or something in the mid 90's.  It
> must be the type of character she likes best, because I never really got
> into any of her other roles.
>
> Angela
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Was the original concept of the Doctor always intended to be this, that
> the character would change so new actors could bring different aspects of
> his personality to the fore? I ask because it's always a fascinating
> discussion to see which Doctor we like--which says more about us than the
> Doctor. For example, I still prefer Eccleston for the very reasons you
> mentioned: he was tough (I'd say, rather than "rough"), world and war-weary,
> but trying to shake off his ghosts. For some reason I really liked that.
> Tennant was great, but I liked Eccleston's hard edge better.
> > And I like Donna more than Martha because Donna was tougher, giving as
> good as the Doctor gave. Martha to me was way too much of a lovestruck
> puppy, and seemed to have fallen for the Doctor too hard and too fast.
> Something about that irritated me. I like that Donna would call his BS in a
> second. I am glad, though, that at Tennant's "death", they revealed that
> Martha married Mickey, who had been too long cuckolded by on again/off again
> girlfriend Rose Tyler's love for the Doctor.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sammie A" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:41:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i
> think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song is
> simply delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her,
> knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him. Must
> say, I really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about Christopher
> Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but
> rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant embraced the
> 'whiz kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back
> in my formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is soo
> much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate). Still say
> my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just
> my opinion.
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mike Street 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of
> DW. I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is
> stealing the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show
> for River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but
> I think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a
> new Dr.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, < adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > She is? O_O Not in my book...
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > From: Charles < char...@sheehanmile s.net >
> > Sender: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >
> > ReplyTo: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> >
> >
> >
> > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a
> well thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo. com > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new D

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[Mr. Worf]

There were others but I thought these fit in better.






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Re: [scifinoir2] W.T.F.

[Mr. Worf]

They haven't aired that episode yet. I am still hoping that he just thinks
that he is.

A couple of years ago there was a guy that worked for the LA Times that did
a DNA background check to get his heritage and discovered that he wasn't
black. Although he had dark skin, nappy hair and all of his relatives
thought that they were black as well they were not black at all.

I have a branch of family on my father's side that has been passing for
Portugese for the last 30+ years.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Sammie A  wrote:

>
>
> let me get this right, Uncle Ruckus is WHITE!  Damn, Damn, Damn, Damn,
> Damn, Damn.
>
> Fate.
>
>
>
> 




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[scifinoir2] W.T.F. II

[Sammie A]

so Ruckus is NOT white.  this gets funnier and funnier!

Fate.



  

[scifinoir2] What do you think about Michio Kaku?

[Mr. Worf]

This was a question that was asked in another group:

So, theoretical physics, string theory, etc. folk... What do you think of
Michio Kaku? I think its cool that he is getting folks into theoretical
physics and I am currently enjoying his latest book "Physics of the
Impossible" but, what do you guys think of him?

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[scifinoir2] W.T.F.

[Sammie A]

let me get this right, Uncle Ruckus is WHITE!  Damn, Damn, Damn, Damn, Damn, 
Damn.

Fate.



  

[scifinoir2] From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky

[angelababycat]

So Niven's Ringworld really wasn't doing it for me.  Moved on to a basic 
classic: Asimov's first book, "A Pebble in the Sky."  I read like the first 60 
pages just yesterday.   How do folks think it will compare to his late works 
like Foundation, etc.?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
>
> Just finished reading Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" -- the first 
> sci-fi novel I've made time to sit down and enjoy in a long time.  Felt good. 
>  I forgot how much I liked Le Guin's writing too.  A great place to start.
> 
> Next in the pile is "Ringworld" by Larry Niven. I have the list of suggested 
> reading from the group, but I was at the book store and just pulled a few 
> titles from what was in stock.  And a librarian handed me Octavia Butler's 
> "Parable of the Sower" last weekend, but I still haven't recovered from 
> seeing "The Road" on PPV so I don't know about that one...
> 
> Anyone read any of these?
> 
> Angela
> 
> P.S. -- Here's Wikipedia's summary of Left Hand if anyone's curious:
> 
> The basic principle of The Left Hand of Darkness is one that started in 
> Ursula K. Le Guin's first novel in 1966 and runs through several of her early 
> works: that of the interplanetary expansion started by the first race of 
> humanity on the planet Hain and expanded across the universe, forming the 
> League of All Worlds, eventually expanding to the eighty-three world 
> collective called the Ekumen. This novel takes place in the year 4870 and 
> concerns an envoy, Genly Ai, who is on a planet called Winter ("Gethen" in 
> the language of its own people) to convince the citizens to join the Ekumen. 
> Winter is, as its name indicates, a planet that is always cold, and its 
> citizens are neither female nor male: they only have gender identities or 
> sexual urges once a month. These conditions have affected the ways that 
> civilizations on Winter have developed, with the most notable effect being 
> that there has never been a war on the planet. There are, however, arcane 
> rules of politics and diplomacy that the envoy must learn in order to 
> survive. His fortune changes quickly, according to what political faction is 
> in power at the time in the country he is residing in: in one country, for 
> instance, the Prime Minister arranges an audience with the king for him, but 
> the next day the Prime Minister is exiled for treason; in another he has 
> trouble determining which factions among the thirty-three Heads of Districts 
> support him and which want to use him to gain political power. The struggle 
> of Genly Ai as he tries to understand the ways of these people and survive on 
> this hostile planet gives Le Guin the chance to explore what life would be 
> like without the dualities, such as summer and winter or male and female, 
> that form our way of thinking: the book's title comes from a Gethen poem, 
> which begins, "Light is The Left Hand of Darkness … "
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[angelababycat]

Who was it (Martin?) that said you dance with the Doctor who brought you to the 
party?  Tenant was my favorite because I never watched DW regularly until I 
joined this group last year and noticed all the buzz about show...taped all the 
eps in the 2-day New Years marathon, so that's what I know.  Martha was a 
little love-struck, but is still my fav companion, and Donna would be 2nd 
because she had the tough sensibillity of a mature woman.  The current Dr. 
doesn't do much for me and neither does Amy Pond.  Maybe I'll just be one of 
those one-doctor Dr. Who fans, but I'll stick with it for now.

If you like River Song, Alex plays the character very similarly to her role in 
Moll Flanders, which was on PBS, BBC or something in the mid 90's.  It must be 
the type of character she likes best, because I never really got into any of 
her other roles.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Was the original concept of the Doctor always intended to be this, that the 
> character would change so new actors could bring different aspects of his 
> personality to the fore? I ask because it's always a fascinating discussion 
> to see which Doctor we like--which says more about us than the Doctor. For 
> example, I still prefer Eccleston for the very reasons you mentioned: he was 
> tough (I'd say, rather than "rough"), world and war-weary, but trying to 
> shake off his ghosts. For some reason I really liked that. Tennant was great, 
> but I liked Eccleston's hard edge better. 
> And I like Donna more than Martha because Donna was tougher, giving as good 
> as the Doctor gave. Martha to me was way too much of a lovestruck puppy, and 
> seemed to have fallen for the Doctor too hard and too fast. Something about 
> that irritated me. I like that Donna would call his BS in a second. I am 
> glad, though, that at Tennant's "death", they revealed that Martha married 
> Mickey, who had been too long cuckolded by on again/off again girlfriend Rose 
> Tyler's love for the Doctor. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sammie A"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:41:36 PM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i think 
> it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song is simply 
> delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her, knows 
> herand of course how she is going 2 kill him. Must say, I 
> really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about Christopher 
> Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but 
> rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant embraced the 
> 'whiz kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back 
> in my formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is soo 
> much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate). Still say 
> my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just 
> my opinion. 
> 
> Fate. 
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mike Street  
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW. 
> I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing 
> the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for River 
> Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I think 
> they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a new Dr. 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, < adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She is? O_O Not in my book... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
> 
> From: Charles < char...@sheehanmile s.net > 
> Sender: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > 
> ReplyTo: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
> 
> 
> 
> Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
> thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo. com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
> Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
> love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
> scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode. 
> 
> "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff! 
> 
> And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex 
> Kingston fan, but this is a p

[scifinoir2] Brigham Young - Study like a scholar Old Spice commercial parody

[Mr. Worf]

Its geeky but pretty close to the Old Spice commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ArIj236UHs




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[scifinoir2] Racing Green Endurance

[Mr. Worf]

A few blokes from the Imperial College of London put their heads together
and built an all electric racing car. Check it out here:
http://racinggreenendurance.com/

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[scifinoir2] STAR WARS CONQUERS THE SUBWAY

[Mr. Worf]

The creative team at Improv Everywhere came up with an idea of a unique and
crazy Star Wars costume show in New York Subway. They got a team together of
4 men and 1 woman and dressed them up as characters from the famous Star
Wars series. The woman is dressed as Princess Leia Organa, while one of the
men is dressed as Darth Vader. The other three are dressed as minions of
Darth Vader.

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We see photographs of them entering the subway and dressing up for their
parts. Then we are shown Princess Leia, in her trademark ‘Cinnamon Bun’
hairstyle, riding the subway. Funnily, she is shown reading a book called
‘Galactic Rebellion for Dummies’.  In the next few pictures, we see her
being captured by the minions of Darth Vader and then Darth Vader himself
makes an appearance. As seen in the pictures, there is no doubt that other
travelers on the Subway are deeply amused by this show.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Yogurt Pepsi: 14 Horrifying Soft Drinks Around the World

[Mr. Worf]

It depends on how you look at it. Japan doesn't have PETA or the same
viewpoint on animals that we do. Food is food. It exists so that you may
live. If you've ever eaten jello, gummy bears, or marshmallows, gelatin is
made from pig bone marrow and other left over parts including the placenta.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM, L Freeman  wrote:

>
>
> I am really not trying to be racist here, but what the heck is wrong with
> the Japanese?  I am so not ever going to drink anything there but bottled
> water.
>
> --- On *Sun, 8I /8/10, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Yogurt Pepsi: 14 Horrifying Soft Drinks Around the
> World
> To: "bombcherryjuice" 
> Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 3:09 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Yogurt Pepsi: 14 Horrifying Soft Drinks Around the World
> *By **Cezary Jan Strusiewicz* * *
>  *[image: article image] *
>   **
> **
> *633diggs**digg*
>
> *We want to respect other cultures and their unique tastes in food and
> drink. But sometimes, they're simply wrong. There are soft drinks on the
> market around the globe that are clearly unfit for human consumption and
> wrong on a deeply moral level.*
>
> *Think we're over reacting? Then you've never heard of:*
>  *#14.*
> *Yogurt-Flavored Pepsi*
>
> **
>
> *Also Known As:*
>
> *Pepsi White*
> *.*
>
> *If you've ever gotten the urge to stir some yogurt into your Pepsi, well,
> you're lucky to be alive because we're pretty sure that shit will make your
> stomach explode. Or maybe just turn into a super-powerful acid that eats you
> from the inside out (we aren't chemists). At best you'll wind up giving
> everyone the impression that you've ejaculated into your Pepsi.*
>
> *So who would think to combine those two things and sell them
> commercially? Japan. Pepsi White emerged there last October just in time for
> their line of winter products. Because nothing screams "winter" like yogurt.
> Because it's white. Also, it's the first Pepsi beverage that might curdle on
> a hot summer day.*
>
> *Only in Japan could **Ice Cucumber flavor*
> * be the second weirdest Pepsi product on the market.*
>  *#13.*
> *Celery Soda*
>
> **
>
> *Also Known As:*
>
> *Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray.* 
>
> *Not just some kooky novelty beverage, Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray is a drink
> extracted from celery seeds that has been around since the 18-freaking- 60s.
> We'd imagine the ads featured guys cracking open a cold can and rubbing it
> across their sweaty forehead after leaving the Civil War battlefield.*
>
> *Since then, Cel-Ray has became a common item in the city of New York, and
> in Jewish delicatessens here and there, having totally captured the market
> in celery-flavored soda that, for some strange reason, no other beverage
> maker has even bothered to enter in a century and a half.*
>  *#12.*
> *Kimchi Drink*
>
> **
>
> *Also Known As:*
>
> *Coolpis Kimchee 
> Drink.*
>
> *Whether or not you felt a tinge of nausea at the name of this product
> depends entirely on whether or not you know what kimchi is.*
>
> *Kimchi is a traditional Korean side dish composed mainly of fermented
> spicy cabbage. The Kimchee Drink is the packaged, cloudy juice left from the
> fermentation process.*
>
> *Now it's one thing to enjoy kimchi, which is probably an acquired taste
> but, hey, lots of Koreans love it. But the shit that's left behind in the
> tank after they've fished the food out? It's like McDonald's trying to sell
> us cups of used french fry oil. Just throw it away, you greedy bastards.*
>  *#11.*
> *Garlic Drink*
>
> **
>
> *Also Known As:*
>
> *Tamla Village's Maneul 
> Saem.*
>
> *Hey, you know how when you eat just a little bit of garlic your breath
> smells like it for eight hours afterward? And how you can't get the garlic
> smell off your hands for a solid week if you handle some?*
>
> *Well, in South Korea they've got whole bottles of garlic juice you can
> chug on a hot day. Perfect refreshment when you're on a date with a girl you
> despise. Also, works as a Molotov cocktail when thrown at a vampire!*
>
> *Also available **in 
> onion*
> *.*
>  *#10.*
> *"Become Bigger!" Breast Enlarging Beverage*
>
> **
>
> *Also Known As:*
>
> *Okkikunare.* 
>
> *Oh, hey, Japan's back. And with a brand of breast-enlarging soft drink.*
>
> *And no, this is not some subtle thing like Enzyte's "male enhancement"
> nod and wink ad campaign. Okkikunare literally means "become bigger!" The
> boob enlargement thing is front and center. The ingredient that was supposed
> to bring forth a new glorious era for Japanese men, and a slightly more back
> pain fo

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[Mr. Worf]

Time isn't passing so they aren't really developing any bodily fluids maybe?

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Sammie A  wrote:

>
>
> but then, if we look at being human, their argument will be that she is a
> ghost, and so, she secrets no bodily fluids and thus needs no change of
> clothes. but the martha thing did bug the hell out of me!
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Kelwyn * wrote:
>
>
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 11:08 PM
>
>
>
>
> Is there a moratorium on wardrobe for black actresses in sci-fi? Martha
> wore the same outfit each week (essentially) as does Annie on Being Human.
>
> --- In 
> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
> Mike Street  wrote:
> >
> > Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like
> they
> > will do to much cross over from seasons past.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i
> > > think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song is
> > > simply delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows
> her,
> > > knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.
> > > Must say, I really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about
> > > Christopher Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not
> suave,
> > > but rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant
> embraced
> > > the 'whiz kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor)
> did
> > > back in my formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is
> > > soo much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble
> (Catherine
> > > Tate). Still say my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman
> > > Agyeman), but that's just my opinion.
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street * wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Mike Street 
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> > > To: 
> > > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of
> DW.
> > > I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is
> stealing
> > > the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for
> > > River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr.
> but I
> > > think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find
> a
> > > new Dr.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  http://mc/compose?to=adrianne.bren...@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She is? O_O Not in my book...
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > --
> > > *From: * Charles  http://mc/compose?to=char...@...>>
> > >
> > > *Sender: * scifino...@yahoogro ups.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
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> > > >
> > > *Subject: *Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> > >
> > > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a
> well
> > > thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  http://mc/compose?to=ravena...@...>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new
> Dr.
> > > Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever
> - I
> > > love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter
> eggs
> > > scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
> > >
> > > "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
> > >
> > > And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an
> Alex
> > > Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
> > >
> > > The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you
> > > scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
> > >
> > > It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually
> > > pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how
> "X-Files"
> > > and "Lost" did it - just to name two).
> > >
> > > All this and a two-thousand year love story.
> > >
> > > I loved it.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Get Social and Follow Me:
> > >
> > > Read my blog at http://BrandsGoSoci al.com 

Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Sammie A]

Keith, 

i did like the marriage aspect of Martha and Mickey.especially after Mickey 
came back from the parallel Earth and was a little bit more gritty.  it was 
time 4 him 2 grow up.  

on a side note:
has anyone watched this show:  Rubicon?  it comes on 2nite, and b4 i record it 
and go back and watch the first couple on OnDemand.  is it worth it?

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Keith Johnson  wrote:

From: Keith Johnson 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 10:56 PM







 



  



  
  
  Was the original concept of the Doctor always intended to be this, that 
the character would change so new actors could bring different aspects of his 
personality to the fore? I ask because it's always a fascinating discussion to 
see which Doctor we like--which says more about us than the Doctor. For 
example, I still prefer Eccleston for the very reasons you mentioned: he was 
tough (I'd say, rather than "rough"), world and war-weary, but trying to shake 
off his ghosts. For some reason I really liked that. Tennant was great, but I 
liked Eccleston's hard edge better.
And I like Donna more than Martha because Donna was tougher, giving as good as 
the Doctor gave. Martha to me was way too much of  a lovestruck puppy, and 
seemed to have fallen for the Doctor too hard and too fast. Something about 
that irritated me. I like that Donna would call his BS in a second. I am glad, 
though, that at Tennant's "death", they revealed that Martha married Mickey, 
who had been too long cuckolded by on again/off again girlfriend Rose Tyler's 
love for the Doctor.

- Original Message -
From: "Sammie A" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:41:36 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale








 


  

  
  
  I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i 
think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is simply 
delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her, knows 
her. . ..and of course how she is going 2 kill him.  Must say, 
I really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about Christopher 
Eccleston... .he was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but 
rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced the 
'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back in 
my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is soo much 
better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate).  Still say my 
favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just my
 opinion.

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote:

From: Mike Street 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM







 




  
  
  The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of 
DW. I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing 
the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for River 
Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I think they 
will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a new Dr. 


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,   wrote:
















 



  



  
  
  




She is? O_O Not in my book...
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom:  Charles 
Sender:  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500To: scifino...@yahoogro 
ups.com
ReplyTo:  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale






Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:







 




  
  
  I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
Who.  "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.




"The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!



And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song.  I have never been an Alex 
Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.



The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you scoring 
at home) is a welcome surprise.



It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" did 
it - just to name two).



All this and a two-thousand year love story.  



I loved it.



~rave!






 





















 









  









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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[Mr. Worf]

Time isn't passing so they aren't really developing any bodily fluids maybe?

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Sammie A  wrote:

>
>
> but then, if we look at being human, their argument will be that she is a
> ghost, and so, she secrets no bodily fluids and thus needs no change of
> clothes. but the martha thing did bug the hell out of me!
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Kelwyn * wrote:
>
>
> From: Kelwyn 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 11:08 PM
>
>
>
>
> Is there a moratorium on wardrobe for black actresses in sci-fi? Martha
> wore the same outfit each week (essentially) as does Annie on Being Human.
>
> --- In 
> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
> Mike Street  wrote:
> >
> > Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like
> they
> > will do to much cross over from seasons past.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i
> > > think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song is
> > > simply delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows
> her,
> > > knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.
> > > Must say, I really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about
> > > Christopher Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not
> suave,
> > > but rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant
> embraced
> > > the 'whiz kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor)
> did
> > > back in my formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is
> > > soo much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble
> (Catherine
> > > Tate). Still say my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman
> > > Agyeman), but that's just my opinion.
> > >
> > > Fate.
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street * wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Mike Street 
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> > > To: 
> > > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of
> DW.
> > > I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is
> stealing
> > > the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for
> > > River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr.
> but I
> > > think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find
> a
> > > new Dr.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  http://mc/compose?to=adrianne.bren...@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She is? O_O Not in my book...
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > --
> > > *From: * Charles  http://mc/compose?to=char...@...>>
> > >
> > > *Sender: * scifino...@yahoogro ups.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> > > *Date: *Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500
> > > *To: *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> > >  http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > *ReplyTo: * scifino...@yahoogro ups.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> > > *Cc: *scifino...@yahoogro ups.com<
> http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> > >  http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > *Subject: *Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> > >
> > > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a
> well
> > > thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  http://mc/compose?to=ravena...@...>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new
> Dr.
> > > Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever
> - I
> > > love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter
> eggs
> > > scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
> > >
> > > "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
> > >
> > > And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an
> Alex
> > > Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
> > >
> > > The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you
> > > scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
> > >
> > > It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually
> > > pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how
> "X-Files"
> > > and "Lost" did it - just to name two).
> > >
> > > All this and a two-thousand year love story.
> > >
> > > I loved it.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Get Social and Follow Me:
> > >
> > > Read my blog at http://BrandsGoSoci al.com 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[Sammie A]

but then, if we look at being human, their argument will be that she is a 
ghost, and so, she secrets no bodily fluids and thus needs no change of 
clothes. but the martha thing did bug the hell out of me!

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Kelwyn  wrote:

From: Kelwyn 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 11:08 PM







 



  



  
  
  Is there a moratorium on wardrobe for black actresses in sci-fi?  Martha 
wore the same outfit each week (essentially) as does Annie on Being Human.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street  wrote:

>

> Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like they

> will do to much cross over from seasons past.

> 

> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i

> > think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is

> > simply delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her,

> > knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.

> > Must say, I really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about

> > Christopher Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave,

> > but rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced

> > the 'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did

> > back in my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is

> > soo much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine

> > Tate).  Still say my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman

> > Agyeman), but that's just my opinion.

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street * wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Mike Street 

> >

> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW.

> > I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing

> > the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for

> > River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I

> > think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a

> > new Dr.

> >

> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  > gmail.com

> > > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > She is? O_O Not in my book...

> >

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > --

> > *From: * Charles  > s.net>

> >

> > *Sender: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> > *Date: *Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500

> > *To: *scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> >  > ups.com

> > >

> > *ReplyTo: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> > *Cc: *scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> >  > ups.com

> > >

> > *Subject: *Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

> >

> > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well

> > thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  > com>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr.

> > Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I

> > love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs

> > scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.

> >

> > "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!

> >

> > And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex

> > Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.

> >

> > The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you

> > scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.

> >

> > It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually

> > pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files"

> > and "Lost" did it - just to name two).

> >

> > All this and a two-thousand year love story.

> >

> > I loved it.

> >

> > ~rave!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Get Social and Follow Me:

> >

> > Read my blog at http://BrandsGoSoci al.com 

> >

> >

> > Join me on Facebook

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> >

> > Follow me on Twitter

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> >

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[Sammie A]

Rave,

i am noticing that too, and it is starting 2 get on my last 'damn' nerve!

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Kelwyn  wrote:

From: Kelwyn 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 11:08 PM







 



  



  
  
  Is there a moratorium on wardrobe for black actresses in sci-fi?  Martha 
wore the same outfit each week (essentially) as does Annie on Being Human.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street  wrote:

>

> Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like they

> will do to much cross over from seasons past.

> 

> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> > I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i

> > think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is

> > simply delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her,

> > knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.

> > Must say, I really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about

> > Christopher Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave,

> > but rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced

> > the 'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did

> > back in my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is

> > soo much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine

> > Tate).  Still say my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman

> > Agyeman), but that's just my opinion.

> >

> > Fate.

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street * wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Mike Street 

> >

> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW.

> > I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing

> > the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for

> > River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I

> > think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a

> > new Dr.

> >

> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  > gmail.com

> > > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > She is? O_O Not in my book...

> >

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > --

> > *From: * Charles  > s.net>

> >

> > *Sender: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> > *Date: *Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500

> > *To: *scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> >  > ups.com

> > >

> > *ReplyTo: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> > *Cc: *scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com

> >  > ups.com

> > >

> > *Subject: *Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

> >

> > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well

> > thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  > com>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr.

> > Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I

> > love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs

> > scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.

> >

> > "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!

> >

> > And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex

> > Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.

> >

> > The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you

> > scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.

> >

> > It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually

> > pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files"

> > and "Lost" did it - just to name two).

> >

> > All this and a two-thousand year love story.

> >

> > I loved it.

> >

> > ~rave!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Get Social and Follow Me:

> >

> > Read my blog at http://BrandsGoSoci al.com 

> >

> >

> > Join me on Facebook

> > http://facebook. com/mikestreet 

> >

> > Follow me on Twitter

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> > com/streetforce1

> >

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> >

> >

> >  

> >

> 

> 

> 

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[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[Kelwyn]

Is there a moratorium on wardrobe for black actresses in sci-fi?  Martha wore 
the same outfit each week (essentially) as does Annie on Being Human.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street  wrote:
>
> Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like they
> will do to much cross over from seasons past.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i
> > think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is
> > simply delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her,
> > knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.
> > Must say, I really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about
> > Christopher Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave,
> > but rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced
> > the 'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did
> > back in my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is
> > soo much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine
> > Tate).  Still say my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman
> > Agyeman), but that's just my opinion.
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> > --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street * wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Mike Street 
> >
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW.
> > I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing
> > the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for
> > River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I
> > think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a
> > new Dr.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  > gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > She is? O_O Not in my book...
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > --
> > *From: * Charles  > s.net>
> >
> > *Sender: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com
> > *Date: *Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500
> > *To: *scifino...@yahoogro 
> > ups.com
> >  > ups.com
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> >
> > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well
> > thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  > com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr.
> > Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I
> > love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs
> > scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
> >
> > "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
> >
> > And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex
> > Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
> >
> > The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you
> > scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
> >
> > It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually
> > pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files"
> > and "Lost" did it - just to name two).
> >
> > All this and a two-thousand year love story.
> >
> > I loved it.
> >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Soul-Toons

[Omari Confer]

wow...

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Pretty much speaks for itself, folks...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71rl10hohRI
>
> --
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> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Keith Johnson]

Was the original concept of the Doctor always intended to be this, that the 
character would change so new actors could bring different aspects of his 
personality to the fore? I ask because it's always a fascinating discussion to 
see which Doctor we like--which says more about us than the Doctor. For 
example, I still prefer Eccleston for the very reasons you mentioned: he was 
tough (I'd say, rather than "rough"), world and war-weary, but trying to shake 
off his ghosts. For some reason I really liked that. Tennant was great, but I 
liked Eccleston's hard edge better. 
And I like Donna more than Martha because Donna was tougher, giving as good as 
the Doctor gave. Martha to me was way too much of a lovestruck puppy, and 
seemed to have fallen for the Doctor too hard and too fast. Something about 
that irritated me. I like that Donna would call his BS in a second. I am glad, 
though, that at Tennant's "death", they revealed that Martha married Mickey, 
who had been too long cuckolded by on again/off again girlfriend Rose Tyler's 
love for the Doctor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Sammie A"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:41:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 






I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i think 
it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song is simply 
delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her, knows 
herand of course how she is going 2 kill him. Must say, I 
really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about Christopher 
Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but 
rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant embraced the 'whiz 
kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back in my 
formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is soo much 
better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate). Still say my 
favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just my 
opinion. 

Fate. 

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote: 



From: Mike Street  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM 





The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW. I'm 
more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing the show 
from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for River Song cause 
she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I think they will give 
Matt Smith another season before they need to find a new Dr. 


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, < adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com > wrote: 








She is? O_O Not in my book... 



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 

From: Charles < char...@sheehanmile s.net > 
Sender: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500 
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ReplyTo: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 



Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo. com > wrote: 








I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. Who. 
"The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I love the 
way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs scattered 
since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode. 

"The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff! 

And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex 
Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role. 

The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you scoring 
at home) is a welcome surprise. 

It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" did 
it - just to name two). 

All this and a two-thousand year love story. 

I loved it. 

~rave! 








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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Sammie A]

i can only hope that they will.  if Matt does not grow into the DW role, then 
Mike, I think u are right.  they will find a new doctor..but it is 
going 2 be hard 2 top David T.

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote:

From: Mike Street 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 10:44 PM







 



  



  
  
  Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like 
they will do to much cross over from seasons past.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:
















 



  



  
  
  I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i 
think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is simply 
delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her, knows 
her. . ..and of course how she is going 2 kill him.  Must say, 
I really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about Christopher 
Eccleston... .he was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but 
rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced the 
'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back in 
my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is soo much 
better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate).  Still say my 
favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just my
 opinion.

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote:


From: Mike Street 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM







 




  
  
  The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of 
DW. I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing 
the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for River 
Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I think they 
will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a new Dr. 



On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,   wrote:

















 



  



  
  
  




She is? O_O Not in my book...
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom:  Charles 
Sender:  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500To: scifino...@yahoogro 
ups.com

ReplyTo:  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale






Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:








 




  
  
  I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
Who.  "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.





"The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!



And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song.  I have never been an Alex 
Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.



The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you scoring 
at home) is a welcome surprise.



It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" did 
it - just to name two).



All this and a two-thousand year love story.  



I loved it.



~rave!






 





















 









  









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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Mike Street]

Mine too...I was hoping Martha would pop up again but doesn't look like they
will do to much cross over from seasons past.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Sammie A  wrote:

>
>
> I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i
> think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is
> simply delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her,
> knows herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.
> Must say, I really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about
> Christopher Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave,
> but rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced
> the 'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did
> back in my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is
> soo much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine
> Tate).  Still say my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman
> Agyeman), but that's just my opinion.
>
> Fate.
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike Street 
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM
>
>
>
> The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW.
> I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing
> the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for
> River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I
> think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a
> new Dr.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> She is? O_O Not in my book...
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> --
> *From: * Charles  s.net>
>
> *Sender: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com
> *Date: *Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500
> *To: *scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com
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> >
> *ReplyTo: * scifino...@yahoogro 
> ups.com
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> ups.com
> http://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>
> >
> *Subject: *Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
>
> Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well
> thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr.
> Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I
> love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs
> scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
>
> "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
>
> And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex
> Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
>
> The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you
> scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
>
> It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually
> pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files"
> and "Lost" did it - just to name two).
>
> All this and a two-thousand year love story.
>
> I loved it.
>
> ~rave!
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Sammie A]

I agree with everyone on this one.  Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i think 
it's the long face and the too much, too big hair).  River Song is simply 
delicious!  Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her, knows 
herand of course how she is going 2 kill him.  Must say, I 
really miss David Tennant.  Wasn't really crazy about Christopher 
Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but 
rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough.  Tennant embraced the 
'whiz kid' role perfectly.  Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back in 
my formative youth days.  As for companions, Amy Pond is soo much 
better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate).  Still say my 
favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just my 
opinion.

Fate.

--- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote:

From: Mike Street 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM







 



  



  
  
  The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of 
DW. I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing 
the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for River 
Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I think they 
will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a new Dr. 


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,   wrote:
















 



  



  
  
  




She is? O_O Not in my book...
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom:  Charles 
Sender:  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500To: scifino...@yahoogro 
ups.com
ReplyTo:  scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale






Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:







 




  
  
  I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
Who.  "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.




"The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!



And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song.  I have never been an Alex 
Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.



The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you scoring 
at home) is a welcome surprise.



It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" did 
it - just to name two).



All this and a two-thousand year love story.  



I loved it.



~rave!






 





















 









  









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Re: [scifinoir2] A Picture gallery of robots

[Mr. Worf]

The military bots are probably going to be the biggest problem in the
future. All it will take is a sentient bot with a bomb and enough range to
do some damage. (add to that terrorists)

I am reading 3010 right now and there was a small section on the necessity
of Human / Bot relations. How not to make your bot upset etc. will become
very important in the future.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> "One of them can solve the rubick's cube."
>
> Problem-solving ability... one more reason to worry.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Some of them actually work. One of them can solve the rubick's cube.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of these are steampunk characters waiting to be written. Thanks, Mr
>>> Worf!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>


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Re: [scifinoir2] Robots, Consciousness and Rights

[Mr. Worf]

Well hopefully by that point we will have solved that issue with more rules.


One of the concepts I read about was just making task specific bots. Like a
domestic bot, and a maintenance bot. Creating all purpose do everything bots
may cause problems.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> I didn't know that, Mr Worf. Still doesn't allay my fears in the least.
> Humans can work their way around laws if it's to their best advantage. Why
> not 'bots?
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Did you know that they modified it and added a "zero law?"
>>
>> Here are the updated rules:
>>
>> *0.  A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to
>> come to harm.
>> 1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a
>> human being to come to harm.
>> 2.  A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where
>> such orders would conflict with the First Law.
>> 3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does
>> not conflict with the First or Second Law.*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "n one of the articles I read about interaction with robots, someone
>>> suggested that they program it so that the robots receive pleasure from
>>> doing their tasks."
>>>
>>> I can see a few 'bots questioning that program, if their sentience is
>>> strong enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>


 Good question! It depends on how repressed that they are. In one of the
 articles I read about interaction with robots, someone suggested that they
 program it so that the robots receive pleasure from doing their tasks. This
 way they will enjoy the work that they are doing.

 I think that with the advent of the laws of computing they may assist us
 in creating sentient machines that will not plan to take over the world.

 On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Martin Baxter 
 wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, in the course of my Internet life, I've heard many a tale of
> 'bots. From ones that just walk around and talk and make humans happy to
> ones that DARPA's developed as part of their SERE program which have 
> escaped
> containment when their human holders were sleeping. I seriously suspect 
> that
> this dialogue is long past due, as there probably already are sentient AIs
> out there. The only question I ask is, "What happens after they see
> 'Spartacus' ?"
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Robots, Consciousness and Rights
>> 
>>   Analysis
>> by Jonathan 
>> Strickland
>> Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:13 AM ET
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>> for HowStuffWorks.com . While
>> exploring the possibilities of machines with self-awareness, I'm drawn to
>> the debate about whether an artificially intelligent construct has the 
>> same
>> rights as a biological entity. In other words, if we built a robot or
>> computer that could seemingly thin

Re: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future...

[Mr. Worf]

You can make copies of a barcode and give them to your friends. They don't
check id if you have the code so technically you can have multiple people
using the same barcode for entry.



On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> what's wrong with the little bar code fobs that you get for a keychain? I'm
> not a fan of dropping my fingerprints, phone number, DNA, etc. everywhere
> for stuff like this
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2010 9:06:33 AM
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future...
>
>
>
> I walked into my local gym the other night and noticed that there was a
> bunch of biometric scanners and keypads sitting on the reception desk. They
> had implemented a new security system where you had to enter your telephone
> number and a finger print (they took a scan of my left and right index
> fingers) to enter the gym!
>
> I'm still trying to digest this much security for a gym! Is this our
> future? Will dna samples be next like the movie Gataca?
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Vintage-style Ads for Facebook, Skype and Twitter

[Mr. Worf]

The ads were well done! I can't help thinking what would have happened if we
had that technology back then.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> http://adsoftheworld.com/taxonomy/brand/maximidia
>
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>
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Mike Street]

The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW.
I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing
the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for
River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I
think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a
new Dr.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> She is? O_O Not in my book...
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> --
> *From: * Charles 
> *Sender: * scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Date: *Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500
> *To: *scifino...@yahoogroups.com
> *ReplyTo: * scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Cc: *scifino...@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale
>
> Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well
> thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
>
>
> I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr.
> Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I
> love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs
> scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
>
> "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
>
> And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex
> Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
>
> The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you
> scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
>
> It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually
> pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files"
> and "Lost" did it - just to name two).
>
> All this and a two-thousand year love story.
>
> I loved it.
>
> ~rave!
>
>
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[adrianne . brennan]

She is? O_O Not in my book...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Charles 
Sender: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:

> I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
> Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
> love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
> scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
> 
> "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
> 
> And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex 
> Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
> 
> The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you 
> scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
> 
> It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
> well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" 
> did it - just to name two).
> 
> All this and a two-thousand year love story. 
> 
> I loved it.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[adrianne . brennan]

Your reaction could not be more opposite from mine. Hilarious. XD


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Kelwyn" 
Sender: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:25:54 
To: 
Reply-To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. Who.  
"The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I love the 
way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs scattered 
since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.

"The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!

And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song.  I have never been an Alex 
Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.

The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you scoring 
at home) is a welcome surprise.

It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" did 
it - just to name two).

All this and a two-thousand year love story.  

I loved it.

~rave!







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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Charles]

Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn"  wrote:

> I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
> Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
> love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
> scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.
> 
> "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!
> 
> And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex 
> Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.
> 
> The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you 
> scoring at home) is a welcome surprise.
> 
> It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
> well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" 
> did it - just to name two).
> 
> All this and a two-thousand year love story. 
> 
> I loved it.
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 

[scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale

[Kelwyn]

I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. Who.  
"The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I love the 
way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs scattered 
since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode.

"The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff!

And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song.  I have never been an Alex 
Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and role.

The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, for you scoring 
at home) is a welcome surprise.

It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually pre-planned, 
well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how "X-Files" and "Lost" did 
it - just to name two).

All this and a two-thousand year love story.  

I loved it.

~rave!

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[Kelwyn]

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Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Review – Ip Man

[Martin Baxter]

Amy, I hadn't heard of "Gallants", and scared up a review. Thanks, and it's
on my chase-down list!

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Amy Harlib  wrote:

>
>
>
> ahar...@earthlink.net
> I've seen both parts of Ip Man and they are wonderful martial arts films of
> the classic 'old school' style you thought they didn't make anymore.
>
> Thank goodness this style of kung-fu film does still exist!  Another just
> as good homage to this genre is Gallants.
>
> Cheers!
> Amy
>
> Please do.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm checking out part 2 tomorrow. I will let you know how it is.
>>
>>  On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Martin Baxter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Had to google it, Mr Worf, because it sounded familiar. I have seen this
>>> one, and share your enthusiasm for it, as well as recommending it to one and
>>> all.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>


 Movie Review – Ip Man

 The movie Ip Man (It sounds funny but they go by last name first in
 China) was a surprisingly well-made little martial art film. Partially 
 based
 on Man Yip the Wing Chun master from Hong Kong, it follows his beginning
 from his life in a small town called Fo Shen in the mid 1930s. Fo Shen is
 famous for its “Southern” style Kung Fu and has several schools located in
 the heart of the city.

 Ip (Played by Donny Yen) is well known in the town for being the
 absolute best martial artist in the region, but he does not teach and has 
 no
 students. Despite his lack of a school, he is heavily involved in the Kung
 Fu social scene and is often challenged by teachers attempting to make a
 name for themselves. This is totally against his wife’s wishes. So despite
 Ip’s daily training, and his prime skill his wife would much rather have 
 him
 go into business with Ip’s brother a subdued businessman.  Soon, a
 baddie from the north appears with several men. He asks for the location of
 the Kung Fu schools and challenges every teacher on the block.  It is
 not long before he hears about Ip and sets out to finds him.

 There is much more to the movie that I will not give away, but I must
 say that this film is on par with the old styled kick/punch Kung Fu movies
 that were made over the years. Very little wire work and great action! I
 highly recommend it!

 There is a part 2 to this film that I will also be reviewing as well.

 Directed by: Wilson Yip

 Pros: Great believable Kung Fu action. It reminded me of so many Kung Fu
 films that I have watched over the years on a Saturday night. The 
 historical
 subplot took me by surprise.

 Cons:  It is a little slow in the middle of the film, but it is
 understandable because the film switches modes.

 In Cantonese, Chinese, and Japanese with English subtitles

 4 out of 5 stars


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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody
>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
>> Mahogany at:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>   
>



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

[scifinoir2] Soul-Toons

[Martin Baxter]

Pretty much speaks for itself, folks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71rl10hohRI

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Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Review – Ip Man

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
I've seen both parts of Ip Man and they are wonderful martial arts films of the 
classic 'old school' style you thought they didn't make anymore.  

Thank goodness this style of kung-fu film does still exist!  Another just as 
good homage to this genre is Gallants.

Cheers!
Amy




Please do.


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:


  I'm checking out part 2 tomorrow. I will let you know how it is. 



  On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:



Had to google it, Mr Worf, because it sounded familiar. I have seen this 
one, and share your enthusiasm for it, as well as recommending it to one and 
all. 



On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:



  Movie Review – Ip Man

  The movie Ip Man (It sounds funny but they go by last name first in 
China) was a surprisingly well-made little martial art film. Partially based on 
Man Yip the Wing Chun master from Hong Kong, it follows his beginning from his 
life in a small town called Fo Shen in the mid 1930s. Fo Shen is famous for its 
“Southern” style Kung Fu and has several schools located in the heart of the 
city. 

  Ip (Played by Donny Yen) is well known in the town for being the absolute 
best martial artist in the region, but he does not teach and has no students. 
Despite his lack of a school, he is heavily involved in the Kung Fu social 
scene and is often challenged by teachers attempting to make a name for 
themselves. This is totally against his wife’s wishes. So despite Ip’s daily 
training, and his prime skill his wife would much rather have him go into 
business with Ip’s brother a subdued businessman.  Soon, a baddie from the 
north appears with several men. He asks for the location of the Kung Fu schools 
and challenges every teacher on the block.  It is not long before he hears 
about Ip and sets out to finds him.

  There is much more to the movie that I will not give away, but I must say 
that this film is on par with the old styled kick/punch Kung Fu movies that 
were made over the years. Very little wire work and great action! I highly 
recommend it!

  There is a part 2 to this film that I will also be reviewing as well.

  Directed by: Wilson Yip

  Pros: Great believable Kung Fu action. It reminded me of so many Kung Fu 
films that I have watched over the years on a Saturday night. The historical 
subplot took me by surprise. 

  Cons:  It is a little slow in the middle of the film, but it is 
understandable because the film switches modes.

  In Cantonese, Chinese, and Japanese with English subtitles


  4 out of 5 stars



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wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







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wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future...

[Keith Johnson]

Then just demand a photo ID and have the people at the front desk eyeball the 
person as he/she also lets the barcode scanner confirm membership. Like 
everyone on this list, I'm a huge fan of science and tech making life easier, 
but I'm also a big fan of not letting it do our jobs for us, making us lazy, or 
take information from us needlessly. 
Besides, any system can be beaten. There are ways to fool a fingerprint scanner 
if one is so inclined 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2010 9:58:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future... 






I was thinking that maybe folks were sharing id badges or using fake id badges 
to go to the gym. They were just using a barcode system check in originally and 
checking the expiration date. So maybe people were sneaking in for a workout? 


On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Martin Baxter < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Even nine years post-9/11, paranoia's still 
out there. 



On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: 








I walked into my local gym the other night and noticed that there was a bunch 
of biometric scanners and keypads sitting on the reception desk. They had 
implemented a new security system where you had to enter your telephone number 
and a finger print (they took a scan of my left and right index fingers) to 
enter the gym! 

I'm still trying to digest this much security for a gym! Is this our future? 
Will dna samples be next like the movie Gataca? 





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wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






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Re: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future...

[Keith Johnson]

what's wrong with the little bar code fobs that you get for a keychain? I'm not 
a fan of dropping my fingerprints, phone number, DNA, etc. everywhere for stuff 
like this 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2010 9:06:33 AM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future... 






I walked into my local gym the other night and noticed that there was a bunch 
of biometric scanners and keypads sitting on the reception desk. They had 
implemented a new security system where you had to enter your telephone number 
and a finger print (they took a scan of my left and right index fingers) to 
enter the gym! 

I'm still trying to digest this much security for a gym! Is this our future? 
Will dna samples be next like the movie Gataca? 

Re: [scifinoir2] Robots, Consciousness and Rights

[Martin Baxter]

I didn't know that, Mr Worf. Still doesn't allay my fears in the least.
Humans can work their way around laws if it's to their best advantage. Why
not 'bots?

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Did you know that they modified it and added a "zero law?"
>
> Here are the updated rules:
>
> *0.  A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to
> come to harm.
> 1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a
> human being to come to harm.
> 2.  A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where
> such orders would conflict with the First Law.
> 3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does
> not conflict with the First or Second Law.*
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "n one of the articles I read about interaction with robots, someone
>> suggested that they program it so that the robots receive pleasure from
>> doing their tasks."
>>
>> I can see a few 'bots questioning that program, if their sentience is
>> strong enough.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good question! It depends on how repressed that they are. In one of the
>>> articles I read about interaction with robots, someone suggested that they
>>> program it so that the robots receive pleasure from doing their tasks. This
>>> way they will enjoy the work that they are doing.
>>>
>>> I think that with the advent of the laws of computing they may assist us
>>> in creating sentient machines that will not plan to take over the world.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Martin Baxter 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Mr Worf, in the course of my Internet life, I've heard many a tale of
 'bots. From ones that just walk around and talk and make humans happy to
 ones that DARPA's developed as part of their SERE program which have 
 escaped
 containment when their human holders were sleeping. I seriously suspect 
 that
 this dialogue is long past due, as there probably already are sentient AIs
 out there. The only question I ask is, "What happens after they see
 'Spartacus' ?"


 On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:

>
>
> Robots, Consciousness and Rights
> 
>   Analysis
> by Jonathan 
> Strickland
> Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:13 AM ET
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>  I've been researching artificial intelligence and consciousness
> for HowStuffWorks.com . While exploring
> the possibilities of machines with self-awareness, I'm drawn to the debate
> about whether an artificially intelligent construct has the same rights 
> as a
> biological entity. In other words, if we built a robot or computer that
> could seemingly think on its own and was aware of its own existence, 
> should
> we give it the same rights and privileges we have as humans?
>
> The question itself may be moot. Our own understanding of the human
> brain is still limited. While some scientists and doctors are working on
> building a computer simulation of the brain, they're doing so without
> knowing all the details of how the brain wor

Re: [scifinoir2] A Picture gallery of robots

[Martin Baxter]

"One of them can solve the rubick's cube."

Problem-solving ability... one more reason to worry.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Some of them actually work. One of them can solve the rubick's cube.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Some of these are steampunk characters waiting to be written. Thanks, Mr
>> Worf!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Amazing Robot
>>>   [image: Amazing Robot]
>>>
>>> 
>>> Next
>>>  [image:
>>> Next]
>>> (Picture 2 of 30)
>>>  
>>> 830
>>> 824
>>> 825
>>> 826
>>> 827
>>> 836
>>> 832
>>> 829
>>> 839
>>> 831
>>> 833
>>> 834
>>> 835
>>> 837
>>> 838
>>> 840
>>> 841
>>> 842
>>> 843
>>> 844
>>> 845
>>> 846
>>> 847
>>> 848
>>> 849

Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Review – Ip Man

[Martin Baxter]

Please do.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I'm checking out part 2 tomorrow. I will let you know how it is.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Had to google it, Mr Worf, because it sounded familiar. I have seen this
>> one, and share your enthusiasm for it, as well as recommending it to one and
>> all.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Movie Review – Ip Man
>>>
>>> The movie Ip Man (It sounds funny but they go by last name first in
>>> China) was a surprisingly well-made little martial art film. Partially based
>>> on Man Yip the Wing Chun master from Hong Kong, it follows his beginning
>>> from his life in a small town called Fo Shen in the mid 1930s. Fo Shen is
>>> famous for its “Southern” style Kung Fu and has several schools located in
>>> the heart of the city.
>>>
>>> Ip (Played by Donny Yen) is well known in the town for being the absolute
>>> best martial artist in the region, but he does not teach and has no
>>> students. Despite his lack of a school, he is heavily involved in the Kung
>>> Fu social scene and is often challenged by teachers attempting to make a
>>> name for themselves. This is totally against his wife’s wishes. So despite
>>> Ip’s daily training, and his prime skill his wife would much rather have him
>>> go into business with Ip’s brother a subdued businessman.  Soon, a
>>> baddie from the north appears with several men. He asks for the location of
>>> the Kung Fu schools and challenges every teacher on the block.  It is
>>> not long before he hears about Ip and sets out to finds him.
>>>
>>> There is much more to the movie that I will not give away, but I must say
>>> that this film is on par with the old styled kick/punch Kung Fu movies that
>>> were made over the years. Very little wire work and great action! I highly
>>> recommend it!
>>>
>>> There is a part 2 to this film that I will also be reviewing as well.
>>>
>>> Directed by: Wilson Yip
>>>
>>> Pros: Great believable Kung Fu action. It reminded me of so many Kung Fu
>>> films that I have watched over the years on a Saturday night. The historical
>>> subplot took me by surprise.
>>>
>>> Cons:  It is a little slow in the middle of the film, but it is
>>> understandable because the film switches modes.
>>>
>>> In Cantonese, Chinese, and Japanese with English subtitles
>>>
>>> 4 out of 5 stars
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
>>> Mahogany at:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
>> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Review – Ip Man

[Mr. Worf]

I'm checking out part 2 tomorrow. I will let you know how it is.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Had to google it, Mr Worf, because it sounded familiar. I have seen this
> one, and share your enthusiasm for it, as well as recommending it to one and
> all.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Movie Review – Ip Man
>>
>> The movie Ip Man (It sounds funny but they go by last name first in China)
>> was a surprisingly well-made little martial art film. Partially based on Man
>> Yip the Wing Chun master from Hong Kong, it follows his beginning from his
>> life in a small town called Fo Shen in the mid 1930s. Fo Shen is famous for
>> its “Southern” style Kung Fu and has several schools located in the heart of
>> the city.
>>
>> Ip (Played by Donny Yen) is well known in the town for being the absolute
>> best martial artist in the region, but he does not teach and has no
>> students. Despite his lack of a school, he is heavily involved in the Kung
>> Fu social scene and is often challenged by teachers attempting to make a
>> name for themselves. This is totally against his wife’s wishes. So despite
>> Ip’s daily training, and his prime skill his wife would much rather have him
>> go into business with Ip’s brother a subdued businessman.  Soon, a baddie
>> from the north appears with several men. He asks for the location of the
>> Kung Fu schools and challenges every teacher on the block.  It is not
>> long before he hears about Ip and sets out to finds him.
>>
>> There is much more to the movie that I will not give away, but I must say
>> that this film is on par with the old styled kick/punch Kung Fu movies that
>> were made over the years. Very little wire work and great action! I highly
>> recommend it!
>>
>> There is a part 2 to this film that I will also be reviewing as well.
>>
>> Directed by: Wilson Yip
>>
>> Pros: Great believable Kung Fu action. It reminded me of so many Kung Fu
>> films that I have watched over the years on a Saturday night. The historical
>> subplot took me by surprise.
>>
>> Cons:  It is a little slow in the middle of the film, but it is
>> understandable because the film switches modes.
>>
>> In Cantonese, Chinese, and Japanese with English subtitles
>>
>> 4 out of 5 stars
>>
>>
>> --
>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
>> Mahogany at:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] A Picture gallery of robots

[Mr. Worf]

Some of them actually work. One of them can solve the rubick's cube.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Some of these are steampunk characters waiting to be written. Thanks, Mr
> Worf!
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Amazing Robot
>>   [image: Amazing Robot]
>>
>> 
>> Next
>>  [image:
>> Next]
>> (Picture 2 of 30)
>>  
>> 830
>> 824
>> 825
>> 826
>> 827
>> 836
>> 832
>> 829
>> 839
>> 831
>> 833
>> 834
>> 835
>> 837
>> 838
>> 840
>> 841
>> 842
>> 843
>> 844
>> 845
>> 846
>> 847
>> 848
>> 849
>> 823
>> 850

Re: [scifinoir2] Robots, Consciousness and Rights

[Mr. Worf]

Did you know that they modified it and added a "zero law?"

Here are the updated rules:

*0.  A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come
to harm.
1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human
being to come to harm.
2.  A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where
such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does
not conflict with the First or Second Law.*


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> "n one of the articles I read about interaction with robots, someone
> suggested that they program it so that the robots receive pleasure from
> doing their tasks."
>
> I can see a few 'bots questioning that program, if their sentience is
> strong enough.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Good question! It depends on how repressed that they are. In one of the
>> articles I read about interaction with robots, someone suggested that they
>> program it so that the robots receive pleasure from doing their tasks. This
>> way they will enjoy the work that they are doing.
>>
>> I think that with the advent of the laws of computing they may assist us
>> in creating sentient machines that will not plan to take over the world.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Worf, in the course of my Internet life, I've heard many a tale of
>>> 'bots. From ones that just walk around and talk and make humans happy to
>>> ones that DARPA's developed as part of their SERE program which have escaped
>>> containment when their human holders were sleeping. I seriously suspect that
>>> this dialogue is long past due, as there probably already are sentient AIs
>>> out there. The only question I ask is, "What happens after they see
>>> 'Spartacus' ?"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>


 Robots, Consciousness and Rights
 
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[image: 
 Deep-blue-1]Recently,
  I've been researching artificial intelligence and consciousness
 for HowStuffWorks.com . While exploring
 the possibilities of machines with self-awareness, I'm drawn to the debate
 about whether an artificially intelligent construct has the same rights as 
 a
 biological entity. In other words, if we built a robot or computer that
 could seemingly think on its own and was aware of its own existence, should
 we give it the same rights and privileges we have as humans?

 The question itself may be moot. Our own understanding of the human
 brain is still limited. While some scientists and doctors are working on
 building a computer simulation of the brain, they're doing so without
 knowing all the details of how the brain works. It's like finding a
 mysterious machine and then reconstructing it without actually 
 understanding
 what makes it tick. It may be impossible for us to create a machine capable
 of real thought and self-awareness.

 To make the debate even more complicated, there's no way to know if
 machine consciousness wo

Re: [scifinoir2] Robots, Consciousness and Rights

[Martin Baxter]

"n one of the articles I read about interaction with robots, someone
suggested that they program it so that the robots receive pleasure from
doing their tasks."

I can see a few 'bots questioning that program, if their sentience is strong
enough.

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Good question! It depends on how repressed that they are. In one of the
> articles I read about interaction with robots, someone suggested that they
> program it so that the robots receive pleasure from doing their tasks. This
> way they will enjoy the work that they are doing.
>
> I think that with the advent of the laws of computing they may assist us in
> creating sentient machines that will not plan to take over the world.
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Worf, in the course of my Internet life, I've heard many a tale of
>> 'bots. From ones that just walk around and talk and make humans happy to
>> ones that DARPA's developed as part of their SERE program which have escaped
>> containment when their human holders were sleeping. I seriously suspect that
>> this dialogue is long past due, as there probably already are sentient AIs
>> out there. The only question I ask is, "What happens after they see
>> 'Spartacus' ?"
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robots, Consciousness and Rights
>>> 
>>>   Analysis
>>> by Jonathan 
>>> Strickland
>>> Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:13 AM ET
>>> 39 
>>> Comments|
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>>> a 
>>> Comment
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>>>
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>>>
>>>[image: 
>>> Deep-blue-1]Recently,
>>>  I've been researching artificial intelligence and consciousness
>>> for HowStuffWorks.com . While exploring
>>> the possibilities of machines with self-awareness, I'm drawn to the debate
>>> about whether an artificially intelligent construct has the same rights as a
>>> biological entity. In other words, if we built a robot or computer that
>>> could seemingly think on its own and was aware of its own existence, should
>>> we give it the same rights and privileges we have as humans?
>>>
>>> The question itself may be moot. Our own understanding of the human brain
>>> is still limited. While some scientists and doctors are working on building
>>> a computer simulation of the brain, they're doing so without knowing all the
>>> details of how the brain works. It's like finding a mysterious machine and
>>> then reconstructing it without actually understanding what makes it tick. It
>>> may be impossible for us to create a machine capable of real thought and
>>> self-awareness.
>>>
>>> To make the debate even more complicated, there's no way to know if
>>> machine consciousness would resemble human consciousness. When it comes to
>>> the conscious mind, we have a very small sample size from which we can
>>> extrapolate. While a machine brain would be the product of human ingenuity
>>> (or possibly the product of another machine that was itself the product of
>>> human ingenuity), it's impossible to know right now if a conscious, thinking
>>> machine would have an intelligence comparable to ours. Would it experience
>>> emotion (simulated or otherwise)? Would it come to the conclusion that
>>> people are at best a messy threat that should be eliminated? Or would it
>>> just process the tasks we give it and never think beyond those parameters

Re: [scifinoir2] Welcome to the future...

[Martin Baxter]

That's possible. I was a gym member for about six months, back in the 90s.
My gym knew that memberships were being used right and left, and didn't
really care. Their hope was that the people borrowing would love the place
enough to join.

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I was thinking that maybe folks were sharing id badges or using fake id
> badges to go to the gym. They were just using a barcode system check in
> originally and checking the expiration date. So maybe people were sneaking
> in for a workout?
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Even nine years post-9/11, paranoia's
>> still out there.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I walked into my local gym the other night and noticed that there was a
>>> bunch of biometric scanners and keypads sitting on the reception desk. They
>>> had implemented a new security system where you had to enter your telephone
>>> number and a finger print (they took a scan of my left and right index
>>> fingers) to enter the gym!
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to digest this much security for a gym! Is this our
>>> future? Will dna samples be next like the movie Gataca?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
>> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] A Picture gallery of robots

[Martin Baxter]

Some of these are steampunk characters waiting to be written. Thanks, Mr
Worf!

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
>  Amazing Robot
>   [image: Amazing Robot]
>
> 
> Next
>  [image:
> Next]
> (Picture 2 of 30)
>  
> 830
> 824
> 825
> 826
> 827
> 836
> 832
> 829
> 839
> 831
> 833
> 834
> 835
> 837
> 838
> 840
> 841
> 842
> 843
> 844
> 845
> 846
> 847
> 848
> 849
> 823
> 850
> 822

Re: [scifinoir2] South Korean Army Tests Sentry Robots in DMZ

[Martin Baxter]

That's humanity for you! (sarcasm mode fully engaged)

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> It was just a matter of time before they did something like this. The
> problem is what happens when a bot accidentally starts a firefight and heats
> up the cold war between the two countries?
>
> I just watched a video by P.W. Singer on 'Military robots and the future of
> war.' In his video, Singer said that there are already 5300 drones in the
> field and a drone race is beginning to heat up between the countries to come
> up with their own robotic super drones.
>
> Its quite possible that in the next 20-30 years there could be fantastic
> robot wars between the countries because there isn't the same morality
> questions involved. A robot does not ask questions about are you sure that
> you want to blow up that village. It doesn't care if it is a tank or a
> little girl. It just does its job.
>
> You do not have to convince a robot that he will receive 700 virgins when
> it gets to heaven. It will just blow up when you tell it from the safety of
> your home. So the face terrorism may morph into the face of a robot jockey
> from a computer or a pre-programmed bot with a gps link and a dozen pounds
> of C4.
>
> With all of our creativity no one seems to be applying it to stopping war
> instead of making it easier to wage war.
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> Let's give the robots guns... I'll be in my bunker if anyone needs me.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> South Korean Army Tests Sentry Robots in DMZ
>>> 
>>>   Analysis by Tracy
>>> Staedter 
>>> Wed Jul 14, 2010 09:54 AM ET
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>>> South Korea's Yonhap News 
>>> Agencyand
>>>  the
>>> Telegraphare
>>>  reporting that South Korea's army has deployed a set of machine
>>> gun-toting sentry robots on the south side of the Demilitarized Zone, the
>>> buffer zone that separates the country from North Korea.
>>>
>>> The robots are equipped with surveillance, tracking, firing and voice
>>> recognition systems and use heat and motion detectors to sense possible
>>> threats.
>>>
>>> The Telegraph story says,
>>>
>>> If the command centre operator cannot identify possible intruders through
>>> the robot's audio or video communications system, the operator can order it
>>> to fire its gun or 40mm automatic grenade launcher.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently, North Korea has an army 1.2 million-strong, while South
>>> Korea's is about half that, at 655,000.
>>>
>>> *Photo: South Korean soldiers. Chung Sung-Jun/Getty Images*
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
>>> Mahogany at:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who t

Re: [scifinoir2] Movie Review – Ip Man

[Martin Baxter]

Had to google it, Mr Worf, because it sounded familiar. I have seen this
one, and share your enthusiasm for it, as well as recommending it to one and
all.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Movie Review – Ip Man
>
> The movie Ip Man (It sounds funny but they go by last name first in China)
> was a surprisingly well-made little martial art film. Partially based on Man
> Yip the Wing Chun master from Hong Kong, it follows his beginning from his
> life in a small town called Fo Shen in the mid 1930s. Fo Shen is famous for
> its “Southern” style Kung Fu and has several schools located in the heart of
> the city.
>
> Ip (Played by Donny Yen) is well known in the town for being the absolute
> best martial artist in the region, but he does not teach and has no
> students. Despite his lack of a school, he is heavily involved in the Kung
> Fu social scene and is often challenged by teachers attempting to make a
> name for themselves. This is totally against his wife’s wishes. So despite
> Ip’s daily training, and his prime skill his wife would much rather have him
> go into business with Ip’s brother a subdued businessman.  Soon, a baddie
> from the north appears with several men. He asks for the location of the
> Kung Fu schools and challenges every teacher on the block.  It is not long
> before he hears about Ip and sets out to finds him.
>
> There is much more to the movie that I will not give away, but I must say
> that this film is on par with the old styled kick/punch Kung Fu movies that
> were made over the years. Very little wire work and great action! I highly
> recommend it!
>
> There is a part 2 to this film that I will also be reviewing as well.
>
> Directed by: Wilson Yip
>
> Pros: Great believable Kung Fu action. It reminded me of so many Kung Fu
> films that I have watched over the years on a Saturday night. The historical
> subplot took me by surprise.
>
> Cons:  It is a little slow in the middle of the film, but it is
> understandable because the film switches modes.
>
> In Cantonese, Chinese, and Japanese with English subtitles
>
> 4 out of 5 stars
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

[scifinoir2] Movie Review – Ip Man

[Mr. Worf]

Movie Review – Ip Man

The movie Ip Man (It sounds funny but they go by last name first in China)
was a surprisingly well-made little martial art film. Partially based on Man
Yip the Wing Chun master from Hong Kong, it follows his beginning from his
life in a small town called Fo Shen in the mid 1930s. Fo Shen is famous for
its “Southern” style Kung Fu and has several schools located in the heart of
the city.

Ip (Played by Donny Yen) is well known in the town for being the absolute
best martial artist in the region, but he does not teach and has no
students. Despite his lack of a school, he is heavily involved in the Kung
Fu social scene and is often challenged by teachers attempting to make a
name for themselves. This is totally against his wife’s wishes. So despite
Ip’s daily training, and his prime skill his wife would much rather have him
go into business with Ip’s brother a subdued businessman.  Soon, a baddie
from the north appears with several men. He asks for the location of the
Kung Fu schools and challenges every teacher on the block.  It is not long
before he hears about Ip and sets out to finds him.

There is much more to the movie that I will not give away, but I must say
that this film is on par with the old styled kick/punch Kung Fu movies that
were made over the years. Very little wire work and great action! I highly
recommend it!

There is a part 2 to this film that I will also be reviewing as well.

Directed by: Wilson Yip

Pros: Great believable Kung Fu action. It reminded me of so many Kung Fu
films that I have watched over the years on a Saturday night. The historical
subplot took me by surprise.

Cons:  It is a little slow in the middle of the film, but it is
understandable because the film switches modes.

In Cantonese, Chinese, and Japanese with English subtitles

4 out of 5 stars


-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

[scifinoir2] Batman Evolution

[Mr. Worf]