RE: [scifinoir2] Cat Lovers Lining Up for No-Sneeze Kitties

[Martin Pratt]

There probably will be, long-term, but what do the hew-mons care? They only see 
their own incipient needs first.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Any impact on the cats 
themselves? Are we bio-engineering something Nature
gave them out of their systems, the same way people declaw cats so they can
have them in the house? Just curious. 

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Sent: Saturday, 07 October, 2006 01:37
To: Chris de Morsella; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; GIRLFRIEND
Subject: [scifinoir2] Cat Lovers Lining Up for No-Sneeze Kitties

October 6, 2006
Cat Lovers Lining Up for No-Sneeze Kitties By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL

A small California biotech company says it is ready to deliver the Holy
Grail of the $35 billion pet industry: a hypoallergenic cat.

At the start of next year, the first kittens — which the company calls
“lifestyle pets” — will go home to eager owners who have been carefully
screened and have been on a waiting list for more than two years.

Since it announced the project in October 2004, the company, Allerca, of San
Diego, says it has received inquiries from people in 85 countries seeking to
buy a cat bred so that its glands do not produce the protein responsible for
most human cat allergies.

Cats ordered now will take 12 to 15 months for delivery in the United
States, 15 to 18 months in Europe. Cost: $4,000. And owners must pass
Allerca’s finicky screening tests.

Prospective buyers are interviewed for motivation and warmth, approved as if
they were adopting a child. Will they punish if kitty has an accident on the
floor or scratches the furniture? Their families and their homes — from
carpets to curtains — must also be evaluated for allergies and allergens.

“You’re not just buying a cat; it’s a medical device that replaces shots and
pills,” said Megan Young, chief executive of Allerca. “At the same time,
this is a living animal, so the well-being of our product comes before our
customers. This is not some high-priced handbag that you put back on the
shelf if it doesn’t match.”

In the United States and Europe, cats are the most common household pet —
there are an estimated 30 million in this country alone — and cat allergies
are one of most common human allergies. That combination has made many homes
cauldrons of sneezing, itchy conflicts in which a fiancé is allergic to his
beloved’s favorite pet, or a mother-in-law cannot come for a festive meal
because of Fluffy’s presence.

With cat owners sometimes paying thousands of dollars each year for allergy
shots, antihistamines and air filters to damp down allergies, $4,000 for a
sneeze-free existence may be an acceptable price tag. More research is
needed, but preliminary independent studies suggest Allerca cats do not
provoke allergies.

“As strange as it may sound, for us the price would have been worth it — it
would have saved us money, and saved us pain from all the medical and also
emotional problems,” said Christopher Cullen of New York. His girlfriend’s
worsening allergies resulted this week in their putting up for adoption
their beloved cat, Cimbi, who had achieved “mild Internet notoriety,” Mr.
Cullen said, as the star of her own Web site, harlemfur.com.

Mr. Cullen and his girlfriend, Cheryl Burley, have fought a losing two-year
battle to engineer a tolerable co-existence with Cimbi, because Ms. Burley,
a devoted cat lover, has had cat allergies since childhood. 
On the Web site, you can watch Mr. Cullen, who works for the New York Senate
Democratic Conference, giving Cimbi a bath to reduce her allergen load; he
takes Cimbi on a leash to Morningside Park for a day, to give his
girlfriend’s allergies a break.

The couple never put down carpets. They installed HEPA filters and vacuumed
incessantly. But Ms. Burley’s symptoms worsened in recent months and that
fragile equilibrium fell apart two weeks ago when the couple took in a
second cat, Marley. Ms. Burley could not work, could not breathe and had a
seizure. They took Marley to an animal shelter.

“Our whole life has gone downhill,” Ms. Burley said. “I missed four days of
work. I’m back on inhalers, eyedrops and creams. This hypoallergenic cat
would be a perfect solution for me. I’m determined to have a kitty.”

Dr. Sheldon Spector, a professor of clinical medicine at the University of
California, Los Angeles, recently studied the cats and said the concept
seemed to work.

Ten volunteers with severe cat allergies were exposed to a variety of cats
but showed no reaction to the Allerca cats, though all had symptoms with
normal animals. “This is not a definitive study, but it is an interesting
and intriguing concept that could really help people,” Dr. 
Spector said.

For the moment, he said he would not recommend buying the cats because
“$4,000 seems like a lot of money” and there was still the chance that some
people might react to some degree to less common 

Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Lovers Lining Up for No-Sneeze Kitties

[Martin Pratt]

In ways we won't care to contemplate.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In 
the end, we will pay for this big time.

Tracey

Martin Pratt wrote:
 There probably will be, long-term, but what do the hew-mons care? They only 
 see their own incipient needs first.

 Keith Johnson wrote: Any impact on the cats themselves? Are we 
 bio-engineering something Nature
 gave them out of their systems, the same way people declaw cats so they can
 have them in the house? Just curious. 

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 Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 Sent: Saturday, 07 October, 2006 01:37
 To: Chris de Morsella; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; GIRLFRIEND
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Cat Lovers Lining Up for No-Sneeze Kitties

 October 6, 2006
 Cat Lovers Lining Up for No-Sneeze Kitties By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL

 A small California biotech company says it is ready to deliver the Holy
 Grail of the $35 billion pet industry: a hypoallergenic cat.

 At the start of next year, the first kittens — which the company calls
 “lifestyle pets” — will go home to eager owners who have been carefully
 screened and have been on a waiting list for more than two years.

 Since it announced the project in October 2004, the company, Allerca, of San
 Diego, says it has received inquiries from people in 85 countries seeking to
 buy a cat bred so that its glands do not produce the protein responsible for
 most human cat allergies.

 Cats ordered now will take 12 to 15 months for delivery in the United
 States, 15 to 18 months in Europe. Cost: $4,000. And owners must pass
 Allerca’s finicky screening tests.

 Prospective buyers are interviewed for motivation and warmth, approved as if
 they were adopting a child. Will they punish if kitty has an accident on the
 floor or scratches the furniture? Their families and their homes — from
 carpets to curtains — must also be evaluated for allergies and allergens.

 “You’re not just buying a cat; it’s a medical device that replaces shots and
 pills,” said Megan Young, chief executive of Allerca. “At the same time,
 this is a living animal, so the well-being of our product comes before our
 customers. This is not some high-priced handbag that you put back on the
 shelf if it doesn’t match.”

 In the United States and Europe, cats are the most common household pet —
 there are an estimated 30 million in this country alone — and cat allergies
 are one of most common human allergies. That combination has made many homes
 cauldrons of sneezing, itchy conflicts in which a fiancé is allergic to his
 beloved’s favorite pet, or a mother-in-law cannot come for a festive meal
 because of Fluffy’s presence.

 With cat owners sometimes paying thousands of dollars each year for allergy
 shots, antihistamines and air filters to damp down allergies, $4,000 for a
 sneeze-free existence may be an acceptable price tag. More research is
 needed, but preliminary independent studies suggest Allerca cats do not
 provoke allergies.

 “As strange as it may sound, for us the price would have been worth it — it
 would have saved us money, and saved us pain from all the medical and also
 emotional problems,” said Christopher Cullen of New York. His girlfriend’s
 worsening allergies resulted this week in their putting up for adoption
 their beloved cat, Cimbi, who had achieved “mild Internet notoriety,” Mr.
 Cullen said, as the star of her own Web site, harlemfur.com.

 Mr. Cullen and his girlfriend, Cheryl Burley, have fought a losing two-year
 battle to engineer a tolerable co-existence with Cimbi, because Ms. Burley,
 a devoted cat lover, has had cat allergies since childhood. 
 On the Web site, you can watch Mr. Cullen, who works for the New York Senate
 Democratic Conference, giving Cimbi a bath to reduce her allergen load; he
 takes Cimbi on a leash to Morningside Park for a day, to give his
 girlfriend’s allergies a break.

 The couple never put down carpets. They installed HEPA filters and vacuumed
 incessantly. But Ms. Burley’s symptoms worsened in recent months and that
 fragile equilibrium fell apart two weeks ago when the couple took in a
 second cat, Marley. Ms. Burley could not work, could not breathe and had a
 seizure. They took Marley to an animal shelter.

 “Our whole life has gone downhill,” Ms. Burley said. “I missed four days of
 work. I’m back on inhalers, eyedrops and creams. This hypoallergenic cat
 would be a perfect solution for me. I’m determined to have a kitty.”

 Dr. Sheldon Spector, a professor of clinical medicine at the University of
 California, Los Angeles, recently studied the cats and said the concept
 seemed to work.

 Ten volunteers with severe cat allergies were exposed to a variety of cats
 but showed no reaction to the Allerca cats, though all had symptoms with
 normal animals. “This is not a definitive study, but it is an interesting
 and intriguing concept that could really

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RE: [scifinoir2] Galactica returns tonight

[Martin Pratt]

A day after, what did we all think about the show? Me, it felt kinda 
disjointed, as though the chars were shell-shocked. 
   
  Perfect, considering what they'd been through...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That's what I thought too. It just made no sense to me...

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Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Galactica returns tonight

Probably meant to do that, Keith. Money, money, money...

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: Battlestar Galactica season three premieres tonight on
SciFi with a two-hour
special. I'm a little bummed that for some reason, SciFi didn't re-air all
the eps from season two leading up to tonight's show. I missed the last two
or three shows of season two, so guess I'll have to buy the DVD before I can
watch tonight's premiere. Really odd, that...

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Re: [scifinoir2] 'Hex' a darker, more adult 'Buffy'

[Martin Pratt]

It's not airing on AE here, that I know of. But TV guides hereabouts have been 
spotty at best since 9/11, frankly.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
I was channel surfing and I found this show on A E here in Mexico. IS 
it on A E in the states

See the article on it below

'Hex' a darker, more adult 'Buffy'
By STEVE TILLEY - Toronto Sun

Even though we share a common language and history with our British 
cousins across the pond, there are some things they do that are simply 
perplexing. Cricket instead of hockey. Tea instead of Tim Horton's. 
Coldplay instead of, you know, a band with testicles and stuff.

Now comes Hex (tonight at 10 p.m on Space), an import from England's Sky 
One satellite network that's part Buffy The Vampire Slayer, part Mean 
Girls and undeniably British. It's the teen dramedy as seen through a 
scary gypsy's crystal ball, yet with more adult content than The O.C. 
could ever hope to get away with.

Carrie should probably be added to Hex's list of inspirations, what with 
naive heroine Cassie (Christina Cole, Amanda Bynes' wicked stepsister 
from What A Girl Wants) being an outsider who is suddenly bestowed with 
telekinetic powers. Just you guys wait until prom!

But this ain't Sabrina The Teenage Witch. While Cassie can make things 
happen with the power of thought alone, the tradeoff is that she's 
stalked by a fallen angel called Azazeal (Michael Fassbender), shunned 
by most of her cruel and catty classmates at the upper crust boarding 
school they attend, and must deal with her best friend Thelma (Jemima 
Rooper), who's got a big ol' lesbian crush on the blonde stunna.

Tonight's second episode of Hex is actually the second half of the 
90-minute series pilot, in which Cassie gets her witch on, the nature of 
the mysterious stranger shadowing her is revealed, and a main character 
-- gulp -- dies.

Wot's this then? Killin' off a bleedin' principal in the second episode? 
Blimey! But fear not ... one of the great things about having 
supernatural powers is you can see dead people. And they can see you. 
Which is handy if they happen to have a big ol' lesb -- whoops, spoiler 
alert!

Despite the comparisons to Buffy, Hex is much more dark and dour than 
Joss Whedon's saga of the wisecracking Scooby gang and their adventures 
in Sunnydale. Intense stares are plentiful, laughs are a little harder 
to come by.

But hip is in the eye of the beholder. While Hex doesn't have Buffy's 
sardonic wit, it does have a killer soundtrack (Blur, N.E.R.D. and PJ 
Harvey all show up in the pilot, and the theme song is Garbage's 
suitably goth-y Crush), not to mention saucy language, girl-on-girl 
straddling and even the odd flash of buns and boobies. Sarah Michelle 
Gellar never let it all hang out, much to the dismay of her devoted 
legion of fans.

Hex is also nice antidote to The O.C. and Falcon Beach and their ilk, if 
you can swallow the whole magic powers and voodoo rituals and ghost pal 
thing. Some of the show's best moments come from the student body at 
Medenham Hall, who are almost unfailingly caustic to each other and 
disrespectful of their teachers. Kind of like in the real world.

Whether Hex can find an audience on these shores remains to be seen, but 
it's certainly worth a look. Just don't get too attached to these 
characters ... despite a strong fan base in the U.K., the show was 
cancelled after two seasons. And when it comes to TV, there's no such 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Galactica returns tonight

[Martin Pratt]

Probably meant to do that, Keith. Money, money, money...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Battlestar Galactica season 
three premieres tonight on SciFi with a two-hour
special. I'm a little bummed that for some reason, SciFi didn't re-air all
the eps from season two leading up to tonight's show. I missed the last two
or three shows of season two, so guess I'll have to buy the DVD before I can
watch tonight's premiere. Really odd, that...

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Re: [scifinoir2] 16 Probable Planets Found in Milky Way

[Martin Pratt]

Second one from the left, I claim in the name of scifinoir2.

brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100401730.html

16 Probable Planets Found in Milky Way

Galaxy May Have Billions, Scientists Say

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, October 5, 2006; Page A10

NASA scientists using the Hubble Space Telescope have discovered what they
believe are 16 new planets deep in the Milky Way, leading them to conclude
there are probably billions of planets spread throughout the galaxy.

Over the past 15 years, astronomers have identified more than 200 planets
outside our solar system, but the new ones identified by the Hubble are at
least 10 times as far from Earth.

That planets can be found at the center of the galaxy, as well as near our
solar system, has given NASA researchers confidence that they are likely
to be everywhere. If that is the case, then the likelihood of other
Earth-like planets becomes greater.

We all are dreamers, and part of that dream is to find life somewhere,
said Mario Livio, head of the science program at the Space Telescope
Science Institute in Baltimore, which oversees Hubble operations. We're
finding that the galaxy is full of planets, and the chances are, somewhere
out there, we will find one with the conditions necessary to be habitable.

The new planets were introduced yesterday as mostly candidates, since
only two could be definitively described as planets. But Livio and team
leader Kailash Sahu said the chances are good that some, or even all, of
the 16 will ultimately meet all the criteria to be called planets.

Based on the number of planets identified and the number of stars in the
Milky Way, the scientists estimated that as many as 6 billion Jupiter-size
planets exist in the galaxy.

Our discovery . . . gives very strong evidence that planets are as
abundant in other parts of the galaxy as they are in our solar
neighborhood, Sahu said.

One of the biggest surprises of their work, Sahu said, was that five of
the likely planets orbit so close to their suns that they make it around
in less than one Earth day. These close-in, Jupiter-size planets are not
necessarily the most prevalent, he said, but rather are the ones most
easily identified using the techniques available for peering deep into the
galaxy. The planet closest to its star has an inhospitable estimated
surface temperature of 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

The search for what are called extrasolar planets is done through
indirection, since they cannot be seen by even the strongest telescopes.
Instead, astronomers identify them by the way they briefly block some of
the light from distant stars, an event called a transit. The planet
would have to be about the size of Jupiter to block enough starlight to be
detected by Hubble.

The Sagittarius Window Eclipsing Extrasolar Planet Search (SWEEPS) used
the Hubble's deep-field telescope for seven days in early 2004. The
telescope monitored 180,000 stars in the crowded central bulge of the
Milky Way for the periodic dimming caused by planet transits. The area
examined by the orbiting telescope is about 26,000 light-years away.

Although astronomers detect faraway planets by finding solar transits,
they measure and confirm a planet's status by analyzing the slight wobble
in a star's motion that occurs when the planet orbits. The 16 planet
candidates introduced yesterday are generally too far away and too faint
for solar wobble to be detected, which is why they remain planetary
candidates rather than confirmed planets.

NASA's James Webb Space Telescope, which is scheduled to be launched into
orbit in 2013, is expected to have the power to make the confirmations.

The SWEEPS results are being published in today's issue of the journal
Nature.

The Hubble telescope, a joint project of NASA and the European Space
Agency, has revolutionized astronomy but is in dire need of a servicing
mission to install two new instruments, as well as fresh batteries and
gyroscopes.

NASA initially proposed a robotic repair, but the National Academy of
Sciences recommended in 2004 that a manned shuttle mission do the work.
NASA Administrator Michael D. Griffin has said that he will formally
review the options this month, and that he hopes to make a decision soon.



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] George Lucas To Quit Movie Business

[Martin Pratt]

Hosanna! Hip-hip hooray! Calloo callay!

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Lucas tilts at studio tentpoles

'Star' man sees shrinking pic biz

By DAVID S. COHEN

George Lucas has a message for studios that are cutting their slates and
shifting toward big-budget tentpoles and franchises: You've got it all
wrong.

The creator of Star Wars, which stamped the template for the
franchise-tentpole film, says many small films and Web distribution are
the future.

And in case anyone doubts he means it, Lucasfilm is getting out of the
movie biz.

We don't want to make movies. We're about to get into television. As far
as Lucasfilm is concerned, we've moved away from the feature film thing
because it's too expensive and it's too risky.

I think the secret to the future is quantity, Lucas said.

He spoke to Daily Variety after the groundbreaking ceremony for the
renamed School of Cinematic Arts at USC.

He gave $175 million - $100 million toward the endowment, $75 million for
buildings - to his alma mater. But he said that kind of money is too much
to put into a film.

Spending $100 million on production costs and another $100 million on PA
makes no sense, he said.

For that same $200 million, I can make 50-60 two-hour movies. That's 120
hours as opposed to two hours. In the future market, that's where it's
going to land, because it's going to be all pay-per-view and downloadable.

You've got to really have a brand. You've got to have a site that has
enough material on it to attract people.

He said he's even discussed the subject with Pixar's Steve Jobs and John
Lasseter.

If you don't do very many movies, and you're really lucky, and you really
know what you're doing, you can get away with it. But you know at some
point you're going to lose a game.

Lucas said he believes Americans are abandoning the moviegoing habit for
good.

I don't think anything's going to be a habit anymore. I think people are
going to be drawn to a certain medium in their leisure time and they're
going to do it because there is a desire to do it at that particular
moment in time. Everything is going to be a matter of choice. I think
that's going to be a huge revolution in the industry.

That doesn't mean Lucasfilm is diving into online distribution, though.
Having had a lot of experience in this area, we're not rushing in, he
said. We're trying to find out exactly where the monetization is coming
from. We're not interested in jumping down a rat hole until such time as
it finally figures itself out.

Nor is Lucasfilm's exit from features instant or absolute. Indiana Jones
4 is still in development. Steve (Spielberg) and I are still working
away, trying to come up with something we're happy with. Hopefully, in a
short time, we will come to an agreement. Or something, Lucas said,
without a great deal of enthusiasm.

Lucasfilm also is working on Red Tails, a film about the Tuskegee airmen
of WWII.

I've been working on that for about 15 years, he said, adding that he's
also been working on Indy 4 for 15 years.

And Lucas Animation does plan to start making feature films - eventually.

Right now we're doing television, which looks great. I'm very, very happy
with it, he said of his toon division. And out of doing the animation,
we're getting the skill set and the people and putting the studio in place
so we can do a feature. But it's probably going to be another year before
we have the people and the systems in place to do a feature film.

Lucas admitted the big-budget strategy has done well for him in the past,
but said, We're not going to do the $200 million investments.

He calls himself semi-retired but reiterated his plans to direct small
movies, esoteric in nature, after his other projects are launched. He
expects to serve as exec producer on the two features and the TV shows,
including a live-action Star Wars skein.

At the USC groundbreaking, Lucas was honored amid cannon shots of confetti
and fanfares from the USC Marching Band for his gift, the largest in the
school's history.

Other bizzers in attendance included Lucas pals Robert Zemeckis and
Spielberg.

Lucas said the gift is intended to set an example for the rest of the
entertainment industry, as well as other universities.

In a lot of industries, the people in the industry give a lot of money to
the schools that produce the people who are their employees, he said,
pointing to the auto industry as an example. The film industry doesn't
seem to be too enthusiastic about that idea. I'd love to see the industry
do more.

As self-interest, it's good to have the best trained people working for
you. And the best trained people come from film school.

The world of moving images hasn't had a lot of respect (in academia),
said Lucas. But it's the major form of communication in the 21st century.

This $175 million, he said, is meant to put other universities on notice
that this is an important discipline that needs to be fostered.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War

[Martin Pratt]

I have to agree on that. It seemed, at times, as though they were building the 
story as they went, rather than writing it. Adding characters and situations 
on the fly made it hard for me to grasp it at times. Took a *lot* of 
re-readings for me to get clear on it. But they left room for Infinite Crisis 
2; Superboy-Prime's MAD Now!

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aftermath of Infinite Crisis but the series 
itself fell flat for me. Great ideas and visuals but the execution 
left a lot to be desired.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, for good or ill, Civil War kinda revitalizes a character 
that's
 never been a fav of mine. I pretty much only follow Iron Man as 
part of a
 team. Even though he's been an Avenger and as central to the 
superhero world
 as Cap, Thor, or Spidey, he's never really been top-tier in my 
book. This
 mega-event makes him much more relevant. And that's the good thing 
about
 giant comic events and complicated crossovers: when done right, 
they can
 explore the well-known characters in a deeper way, yet also bring 
some of
 the lesser-known ones to the fore. For example, over at DC--whose 
great
 Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and 52 may be getting 
overlooked
 thanks to Marvel--there was a fantastic series of books 
called OMAC. It
 dealt with a literal Big Brother spying on the heroes, and the 
betrayal of a
 supposed friend. The Blue Beetle was featured front and center in 
the first
 part of the story, in a very powerful and poignant story. Booster 
Gold was
 even brought into this drama effectively, if you can believe that!
 
 _ 
 
 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Martin Pratt
 Sent: Tuesday, 03 October, 2006 23:50
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War
 
 
 
 I wouldn't worry much about Fury being missing, Keith. If WWII 
and HYDRA
 couldn't kill him...
 
 As for Reed, I again refer to Wizard, ish 179 or 180, in which 
they seem to
 revel in detailing exactly how clueless the man is, particularly 
when it
 comes to dealing with Sue. Bright boys are usually that way, tops 
in their
 fields and needing to be spoon-fed the rest of the time. As for 
Stark,
 there's only one thing you say n his vicinity.
 
 Last Call.
 
 Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
 comcast.net wrote:
 Well, Thor was always on the books to be brought back, after he 
and all the
 Norse gods perished. I think they finally managed to rid 
themselves of the
 Ragnarok cycle. I hate to see Nick Fury missing too, especially 
since he
 seems to side with Cap on this?? I'd love to see the one true head 
of
 S.H.I.E.L.D. explain to the Prez and Congress why he disagrees 
with a law
 the public overwhelmingly supports. Maybe he could get tips from 
Colin
 Powell on how to swallow your pride and conscience and try to 
manage your
 idiot leader! The thing I like about Reed is the way they're 
playing up
 again his sometimes disconnect from emotion and good old common 
sense, in
 favor of rational thought and analysis. Reed's literally 
*calculated* that
 Registration is a good thing?! Like Ben Urich told him, you can't 
plug
 people's emotions and swiftly-changing views into a formula. This 
perfectly
 captures Reed: actually a good guy who wants to help people, but 
still a
 geek extreme, who really thinks technology can solve *all* the 
world's
 problems. He's the mad scientist with a conscience. It makes you 
get
 sometimes amused, sometimes exasperated, sometimes outright angry 
at him, I
 guess the way Sue sometimes has to treat him like a child, 
reminding him to
 be human again and put the equations down. But like Spidey, i 
think at his
 core Reed is a good man who ultimately sees the right of things. 
Now Stark,
 don't think you can say that about him...
 
 Did you read the Illuminati one-shot? That was awesome...
 
 _ 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com 
ups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com 
ups.com]
 On
 Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
 Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 18:50
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com 
ups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War
 
 You haven't been lagging. Civil War has resulted in the biggest 
 delay in Marvel books in years. There was like nothing to read all 
of 
 last month. Now's the perfect time to catch up.
 
 Spoilers follow.
 
 My stand on the Registration act is simple, in that I actually 
agree 
 with T'Challa and Namor. This is between YALL. Stark is remarkably 
 arrogant (I'm a futurist nooo you're observant.) and Reed -- of 
ALL 
 people, was an idiot for siding with him. I love what Civil War is 
 doing to the Fantastic Four and Spiderman stories. It's a really 
 exciting time in Marvel again. Of course, they will undoubtedly 
find 
 a way to ruin it in the end, and I'm not entirely sure

Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Yes, and may your mouse develop a permanent cheese addiction, rendering your 
unable to surf a single web site, for mentioning that name.

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I almost forgot about this: 
wasn't Iron Man originally supposed to 
be a Tom Cruise/Speilberg project?

On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:39 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I agree. I always hate the way people get limited to two or three 
people,
like those are the only choices.Want an older, kinder Black man? Morgan
Freeman or maybe Danny Glover. A cooler one to play young middle-aged?
Denzel Washington. A good-looking love interest? Got to be a white boy,
either Brad Pit, Matthew McCanaughey, or maybe Tom Cruise. How 
limiting. Yet
some of the most memorable performances in history were done by 
people who
were second or third choices, or felt as completely wrong for parts 
in the
first place. Get a *good* actor, not a famous one, and supply him/her 
with
good writing and direction, and the rest will follow.

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Tuesday, 03 October, 2006 23:46
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

Neither am I. Don't go with hot. Hot is Little Tommy Cruise (and 
don't doubt
for a minute that he won't get another gig soon). Go with what's the 
best
fit. Don't know if you've ever read Wizard, the comics mag. Up until 
a year
and change ago, they did a regular feature, Casting Call, in which 
they cast
comics and SF movies. Their stuff was always on.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com com wrote: 
No, I'm
just not up to date on the hot actors who could do such stuff...

Martin Pratt martin_pratt18@ mailto:martin_pratt18%40yahoo.com 
yahoo.com
wrote: Don't go all shy on us now.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com com wrote:
Um...okay...

Martin Pratt martin_pratt18@ mailto:martin_pratt18%40yahoo.com 
yahoo.com
wrote: Astro, you and Keith are equal partners in that casting firm.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com com wrote: A
younger Treat Williams would probably make a great Tony Stark, but oh
well...You made a good point with Keaton as Batman, so let's hope...

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by this casting. If you want an 
actor who
can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel 
production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, 
because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a 
fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my 
exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War.

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero 
movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the 
Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. 
Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers 
a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the 
world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film 
to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously 
licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. 
Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for 
the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're 
about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through 
between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard 
to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye 
have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best 
person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. 
The proof
will be in the pudding, but he

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War

[Martin Pratt]

I'm going to have to wait for 52 to land in trade, because I've missed a good 
ten weeks of it. I was most intrigued by the Black Adam storyline, and the 
space opera end with Animal Man and Adam Strange doing their Road take-off 
(with Buddy as Bob Hope). Did you note the return of Detective Chimp?

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well, for good or ill, Civil 
War kinda revitalizes a character that's
never been a fav of mine. I pretty much only follow Iron Man as part of a
team. Even though he's been an Avenger and as central to the superhero world
as Cap, Thor, or Spidey, he's never really been top-tier in my book. This
mega-event makes him much more relevant. And that's the good thing about
giant comic events and complicated crossovers: when done right, they can
explore the well-known characters in a deeper way, yet also bring some of
the lesser-known ones to the fore. For example, over at DC--whose great
Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and 52 may be getting overlooked
thanks to Marvel--there was a fantastic series of books called OMAC. It
dealt with a literal Big Brother spying on the heroes, and the betrayal of a
supposed friend. The Blue Beetle was featured front and center in the first
part of the story, in a very powerful and poignant story. Booster Gold was
even brought into this drama effectively, if you can believe that!

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Tuesday, 03 October, 2006 23:50
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War

I wouldn't worry much about Fury being missing, Keith. If WWII and HYDRA
couldn't kill him...

As for Reed, I again refer to Wizard, ish 179 or 180, in which they seem to
revel in detailing exactly how clueless the man is, particularly when it
comes to dealing with Sue. Bright boys are usually that way, tops in their
fields and needing to be spoon-fed the rest of the time. As for Stark,
there's only one thing you say n his vicinity.

Last Call.

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote:
Well, Thor was always on the books to be brought back, after he and all the
Norse gods perished. I think they finally managed to rid themselves of the
Ragnarok cycle. I hate to see Nick Fury missing too, especially since he
seems to side with Cap on this?? I'd love to see the one true head of
S.H.I.E.L.D. explain to the Prez and Congress why he disagrees with a law
the public overwhelmingly supports. Maybe he could get tips from Colin
Powell on how to swallow your pride and conscience and try to manage your
idiot leader! The thing I like about Reed is the way they're playing up
again his sometimes disconnect from emotion and good old common sense, in
favor of rational thought and analysis. Reed's literally *calculated* that
Registration is a good thing?! Like Ben Urich told him, you can't plug
people's emotions and swiftly-changing views into a formula. This perfectly
captures Reed: actually a good guy who wants to help people, but still a
geek extreme, who really thinks technology can solve *all* the world's
problems. He's the mad scientist with a conscience. It makes you get
sometimes amused, sometimes exasperated, sometimes outright angry at him, I
guess the way Sue sometimes has to treat him like a child, reminding him to
be human again and put the equations down. But like Spidey, i think at his
core Reed is a good man who ultimately sees the right of things. Now Stark,
don't think you can say that about him...

Did you read the Illuminati one-shot? That was awesome...

_ 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com]
On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 18:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War

You haven't been lagging. Civil War has resulted in the biggest 
delay in Marvel books in years. There was like nothing to read all of 
last month. Now's the perfect time to catch up.

Spoilers follow.

My stand on the Registration act is simple, in that I actually agree 
with T'Challa and Namor. This is between YALL. Stark is remarkably 
arrogant (I'm a futurist nooo you're observant.) and Reed -- of ALL 
people, was an idiot for siding with him. I love what Civil War is 
doing to the Fantastic Four and Spiderman stories. It's a really 
exciting time in Marvel again. Of course, they will undoubtedly find 
a way to ruin it in the end, and I'm not entirely sure the end 
wasn't the day they said Thor's Alive, but that's why Marvel 
people are like Mets fans. Every once in a while things go really 
really great, but mostly, we're all just remembering the 80s.

Additionally, the recent thing with the Runaways and all of the 
hoopla has people forgetting the double-agent action of one Jessica 
Drew. This registration act has one missing player. And for my

RE: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

[Martin Pratt]

And that would consequently kick the porn industry into overdrive. Hot 
Lyzikian-on-human action!

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Great: in a hundred years a 
saucer full of horny aliens will show up
expecting to get it on with willing Earth chicks-or men. Oh well, I guess
that beats an invasion fleet or us being turned into a food source!

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of brent wodehouse
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 17:36
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien
audience

http://www.ireland.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html
com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html

2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

Derek Scally in Berlin

Eurotrash goes intergalactic tonight when two naked television presenters
host the first programme conceived for aliens and broadcast to a star
located in the Big Dipper, 45 light years away.

Despite the English language title, the programme, Cosmic Connexion, as
conceived by the channel Arte, assumes the aliens will have a working
knowledge of German and French - the station's two working languages.

The TV show has been conceived as an idiot's guide to humankind, or close
encounters of the nude kind. The hosts will explain how the human body is
created - thus justifying their own nakedness - and will tell about the
main elements of daily human life.

Cosmic Connexion will talk to sociologists, scientists and space experts,
as well as explain to viewers - on earth and in space - about previous
attempts to contact other life forms such as the gold and aluminium disc
placed on board the Pioneer 10 probe launched in 1972 and last contacted
in 2003.

The station has a clear message for viewing aliens: We have seen your
crop circles. Stop by and say hello. Arte has also asked viewers to
submit messages they would like to be broadcast into space as part of the
programme. The few halfway intelligible messages on the website yesterday
were rather political. Maxmax from Germany wrote: Dear friends of the
sun (or whatever) . . . George W. Bush: bullshit3 Us - music = rather not.

The broadcast signal will reach the star Errai in the year 2051. Arte
producers say they are looking forward to receiving alien viewer feedback
to their programme - in 2096.

C The Irish Times

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Are You Watching These Toons?

[Martin Pratt]

Here in Alanta, it airs Sunday morning at 10:30. And they've already shown that 
ep, with Timber Wolf. I need to look up his origin, to see if it jibes with 
what they showed.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I didn't know the second 
episode of Legion aired. I checked this weekend and
didn't see it on the schedule. I hear Timber Wolf will make an appearance.
I'd like to see Wildfire, the kid who's pure energy in a containment suit.
Also, an appearance by Ultra Lad and Mon-El would be cool. And who's that
powerful sorcerer who's always taking on the whole Legion? Mordru? He'd be
an awesome challenger, but these kids seem somewhat less powerful than their
comic book versions.

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of B. Smith
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 12:35
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Are You Watching These Toons?

I'm loving this season of Avatar. My channel guide had the wrong 
time listed for the first LSH episode so I missed it. I really 
enjoyed the second episode.

The FF...eh. I liked the Hulk episode but Johnny just annoys me.

The Batman...still not my cup of tea but the first episode with Team 
Penguin was entertaining.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm curious if any of y'all have seen a couple of new cartoons 
this season, or are watching returning ones:
 
 Avatar - Nick, Fridays at 8 pm, reruns (sometimes a week behind) 
Saturdays from 11 - 12 noon 
 http://www.nick. http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/avatar2/
com/all_nick/tv_supersites/avatar2/
 
 I liked this show from the start. Despite its sometimes 
anachronistic language and youth-oriented writing, its concept of 
Benders manipulating the four classical Elements, and a reincarnated 
Avatar saving the world, intrigued me. The moments of drama and 
action more than compensated for any kiddiness in the show. Trust me 
though: it's gotten much, much better. Ang has learned that he has 
less than a year to learn Bending of all the elements and defeat the 
Fire Lord. A fiery comet is approaching the world, whose flame will 
make the Fire lord all but invincible, and Ang must be ready before 
then. Prince Zuko and his uncle are starting to question the goals 
of the Fire Nation. The mythology of the series is being fleshed out 
more. (Check out the above link, which details philosophy of each of 
the Bending arts, to see what I mean). New Benders are encountered 
all the time, including whole cities full of them, such as Ba Sing 
Se, where the trains are run by Earth Benders pushing the st
 one vehicles on stone rails with their powers. The stories are 
getting more mature, the danger and stakes, increasing. Still not 
enough Bending for me, but man, when Ang lets loose in Avatar mode, 
watch out! Like the young characters who must rise to the challenge 
of saving their world, this show continues to grow. Truly one of 
the best cartoons on TV. 
 
 
 Legion of Superheroes - CW Kid's WB? Saturdays at 10:00?
 http://en.wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Super_Heroes_
.org/wiki/Legion_of_Super_Heroes_
(animated_series)
 Character pics can be found here: 
http://www.legionso http://www.legionsofgotham.org/LOSHcharacters.html
fgotham.org/LOSHcharacters.html
 
 (Not sure of the network or the time, as when I saw it on Sep 
23, it was called Kid's WB, even though the WB was merged into the 
CW). Say what??? Caught me completely off guard. I happened to catch 
the debut on Sept 23. Legion goes back in time to recruit Superman 
for help against the Fatal Five, but end up going further back and 
getting young Clark Kent, who's still learning to use his powers. 
Clark can't even fly when they contact him. Though he does learn, 
he's about as unstable in flight as the Greatest American Hero. 
Strong though: he lifted 3,000 tons during a test. Clark is quickly 
inducted into the Legion after helping defeat the Fatal Five. The 
show's premise is that he'll hang out in the 31st Century helping 
out for a while, and then be returned back to his time only minutes 
after initially leaving. The first show was decent, if you overlook 
the rather basic animation. The characters have been changed 
somewhat, such as the now completely robotic Brainiac 5, or the glo
 wing lightning bolt scar over Lightning Lad's right eye. Evidently 
there's some legal issues with the show, as young Clark has dubbed 
himself Superman, *not* Superboy. One interesting thing is that 
the Legion took Clark to a museum full of pictures, statues, and 
costumes from his adult years as Superman. Indeed, his first costume 
ever is secured in the future, when he takes one from the Superman 
exhibit. At least worth a visit, if not a long term stay. 
 
 
 The Batman - CW Kid's WB? Saturdays at 10:30? 
 http://www.legionso http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BATMAN.html
fgotham.org/BATMAN.html
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fwd: From SCIFI WIRE: Blade Gets The Spike

[Martin Pratt]

One last trick up my sleeve...
   
  (whips out pic of CC, draped in the American flag)

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Run, MartinI can't hold him back any more...

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh! Did I mention that they passed over 
Kenya Moore as the female lead?

(filing change-of-planet paperwork)

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Restaining Keith as he goes for recliner sofa...)

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eject button was officially depressed, 
according to Our Girl Krista's web site. We'll miss her bloood-lust orgies, 
won't we, Keith?

(ducks, expecting something really big to be thrown)

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oh no...really...

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well...show of hands. Who's surprised?

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Astro, and not all the Little Purple Pills on the planet can cure it, am I 
right?

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Since you mentioned it, I'd 
love to see a decent treatment of Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. The Hasselhoff 
version aggravated my acid reflux...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem at all, it's still worth 
the read even when I know what's
happening. I'm still reeling from some of the heroes' choices. Although I
know Spidey will do the right thing in the end, I must admit it's coloring
my view of him. I mean, perhaps the most misunderstood and misrepresented
hero in the MU, yet he jumps with little thought to Registration. Even
forgiving that, to reveal his identity? I don't care that May and Mary Jane
are behind him, that's just stupid. Spidey has one of the biggest, most
diverse and nuttiest rogue's galleries of all. You could literally throw a
rock in New York and probably hit one of his sworn enemies. And then, even
if he did all that, the leap to *hunting down* his fellow heroes? That just
ain't right...
I'm also trying to deal with Bishop's rationalization that doing this will
prevent a future like the one that birthed him. I see his point, in that he
fears the nation's increasingly negative feelings about metas could result
in an overreaction, such as the full-fledged Sentinels program. I understand
he's trying to forestall that. But again, where do you draw the line at
sacrificing some rights for the great good? When do you gave away that final
piece of yourself that can never be reclaimed. 

Perhaps--perhaps--if Registration was only about getting sanctioned by
S.H.I.E.L.D a la the Avengers' charter, I could understand and support it.
But to force all heroes to reveal their identities, and then, to quickly
criminalize them? I mean damn, they had cape killers attacking heroes
literally *one minute* after the deadline went into effect. They've used
near-lethal force against the likes of Cap and Cage. And they're willing to
quickly seize non-registrant's bank accounts, and charge their families as
co-conspirators? And Spidey is going along with this

Wow...

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 18:04
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

Apologies for that, Keith. I've made an a$$ of myself by assuming that I was
lagging in my reading. As for the Act, it's just a step short of the
real-life Patriot Act. A knee-jerk reaction to tragedy. On a similar vein,
have you read Scarlet Traces?

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Be
sure to write spoiler if y'all discuss any of the Civil War. I just
started and am only up to July's books. Just finished reading Civil War 3
and Frontline 4--powerful stuff!

How does everyone feel about teh Superhuman Registration Act?

-- Original message -- 
From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:daikaiju66%40yahoo.com com 
Have you read the last issue yet? All is not as it seems and Stark 
comes off as an even bigger bastard.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com,
Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Oh, I'll wager that Tony's gonna get his real soon. Once Civil War 
is done and he's been handed his armored a$$, I fully expect someone 
to crawl right up his exhaust pipe and make life really uncomfy for 
him. Still can't believe that Thor went against Cap.
 
 Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryle 
said Tony Stark is a jerk. Can't argue with that! Tony's been
 arrogant, used women like playthings, run roughshod over even his 
friends
 more than once. Didn't he even have a brief affair with Pepper, 
the ex-wife
 of his best friend Happy? That was foul. And a few years back his 
secret
 identity was revealed, and Tony somehow mystically wiped the 
knowledge from
 the memory of everyone on Earth. Cap later found out he'd done 
this and was
 pissed at the manipulation of his mind. Downey just might have the 
stuff to
 pull this off. The script's got to be *tight* though!
 
 
 I finally started reading all the Civil War books two weeks ago, 
and man am
 I having fun! Stark is a jerk? Indeed, or to quote the Falcon's 
comment to
 Cap: Tony Stark is a sellout. Always has been. You CHOSE to see 
that $%!
 through rose-colored glasses.
 
 Unlike many people--especially Blacks--I've always liked Cap. I've 
noticed
 that most Blacks thought he was too corny, too white bread 
literally. I
 remember once having an animated conversation with three of my 
wife's
 brothers, who are all scifi/comic fans. We'd each name a character 
or group
 we'd been following, and the other would excitedly agree. You 
know, stuff
 like Man, Punisher is bad, you got that right!, or Magneto is 
the coolest
 mutant around!. Then I cried out And Captain America is cool! 
Silence,
 except for the chirping crickets. 
 
 I like Cap

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War

[Martin Pratt]

I need to pick that up. Is it a trade yet?

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  that illuminati book WAS 
awesome, and a one liner goldmine.

Reed is a mad scientist with good people around him. Had somebody 
hugged Doom as a kid, he'd be a hero. Reed is an idiot, and often is. 
One of the reasons I love FF so much is because the 4 characters are 
sort of like the Enterprise bridge...there's this balance that makes 
for a really good combined presence,but each individual is an 
extreme of their own personality or element. Reed is so Spock/Data 
sometimes it's crazy,but at times, we all are.

On Oct 2, 2006, at 7:40 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

Well, Thor was always on the books to be brought back, after he and 
all the
Norse gods perished. I think they finally managed to rid themselves 
of the
Ragnarok cycle. I hate to see Nick Fury missing too, especially since he
seems to side with Cap on this?? I'd love to see the one true head of
S.H.I.E.L.D. explain to the Prez and Congress why he disagrees with a 
law
the public overwhelmingly supports. Maybe he could get tips from Colin
Powell on how to swallow your pride and conscience and try to manage 
your
idiot leader! The thing I like about Reed is the way they're playing up
again his sometimes disconnect from emotion and good old common 
sense, in
favor of rational thought and analysis. Reed's literally *calculated* 
that
Registration is a good thing?! Like Ben Urich told him, you can't plug
people's emotions and swiftly-changing views into a formula. This 
perfectly
captures Reed: actually a good guy who wants to help people, but still a
geek extreme, who really thinks technology can solve *all* the world's
problems. He's the mad scientist with a conscience. It makes you get
sometimes amused, sometimes exasperated, sometimes outright angry at 
him, I
guess the way Sue sometimes has to treat him like a child, reminding 
him to
be human again and put the equations down. But like Spidey, i think 
at his
core Reed is a good man who ultimately sees the right of things. Now 
Stark,
don't think you can say that about him...

Did you read the Illuminati one-shot? That was awesome...

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 18:50
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Civil War

You haven't been lagging. Civil War has resulted in the biggest
delay in Marvel books in years. There was like nothing to read all of
last month. Now's the perfect time to catch up.

Spoilers follow.

My stand on the Registration act is simple, in that I actually agree
with T'Challa and Namor. This is between YALL. Stark is remarkably
arrogant (I'm a futurist nooo you're observant.) and Reed -- of ALL
people, was an idiot for siding with him. I love what Civil War is
doing to the Fantastic Four and Spiderman stories. It's a really
exciting time in Marvel again. Of course, they will undoubtedly find
a way to ruin it in the end, and I'm not entirely sure the end
wasn't the day they said Thor's Alive, but that's why Marvel
people are like Mets fans. Every once in a while things go really
really great, but mostly, we're all just remembering the 80s.

Additionally, the recent thing with the Runaways and all of the
hoopla has people forgetting the double-agent action of one Jessica
Drew. This registration act has one missing player. And for my money,
that player is Nick Fury. I need a Nick Fury vs. Tony Stark issue to
make this complete.

On Oct 2, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Martin Pratt wrote:

Apologies for that, Keith. I've made an a$$ of myself by assuming
that I was lagging in my reading. As for the Act, it's just a step
short of the real-life Patriot Act. A knee-jerk reaction to tragedy.
On a similar vein, have you read Scarlet Traces?

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net 
wrote: Be
sure to write spoiler if y'all
discuss any of the Civil War. I just started and am only up to July's
books. Just finished reading Civil War 3 and Frontline 4--powerful
stuff!

How does everyone feel about teh Superhuman Registration Act?

-- Original message --
From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:daikaiju66%40yahoo.com com
Have you read the last issue yet? All is not as it seems and Stark
comes off as an even bigger bastard.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com 
ups.com,
Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Oh, I'll wager that Tony's gonna get his real soon. Once Civil War
is done and he's been handed his armored a$$, I fully expect someone
to crawl right up his exhaust pipe and make life really uncomfy for
him. Still can't believe that Thor went against Cap.

 Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryle
said Tony Stark is a jerk. Can't argue with that! Tony's been
 arrogant, used women like playthings, run roughshod over even his
friends
 more than once. Didn't he even have a brief affair with Pepper,
the ex-wife
 of his

Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Neither am I. Don't go with hot. Hot is Little Tommy Cruise (and don't doubt 
for a minute that he won't get another gig soon). Go with what's the best fit. 
Don't know if you've ever read Wizard, the comics mag. Up until a year and 
change ago, they did a regular feature, Casting Call, in which they cast comics 
and SF movies. Their stuff was always on.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  No, I'm just not up to date on 
the hot actors who could do such stuff...

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't go all shy on us now.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um...okay...

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Astro, you and Keith are equal partners 
in that casting firm.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A younger Treat Williams would probably 
make a great Tony Stark, but oh well...You made a good point with Keaton as 
Batman, so let's hope...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am intrigued by this casting. If you 
want an actor who can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War. 

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man 
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET 

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter 

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Re: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

[Martin Pratt]

This might explain why we haven't had any contacts at all...

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   If we haven't been 
vaporised for airing more than a pilot episode of 
according to Jim or the war at home, we're good.

We need to embrace that the rest of the galaxy is already laughing at 
us for Joe Millionaire and save the people at SETI the trouble.

I'd like to think that the civilisation that gets the Monty Python 
and Hitchhikers Guide transmissions will make contact before we're 
held responsible for the rest of this stuff.

On Oct 2, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

Great: in a hundred years a saucer full of horny aliens will show up
expecting to get it on with willing Earth chicks-or men. Oh well, I 
guess
that beats an invasion fleet or us being turned into a food source!

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of brent wodehouse
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 17:36
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien
audience

http://www.ireland.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html
com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html

2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

Derek Scally in Berlin

Eurotrash goes intergalactic tonight when two naked television 
presenters
host the first programme conceived for aliens and broadcast to a star
located in the Big Dipper, 45 light years away.

Despite the English language title, the programme, Cosmic Connexion, as
conceived by the channel Arte, assumes the aliens will have a working
knowledge of German and French - the station's two working languages.

The TV show has been conceived as an idiot's guide to humankind, or 
close
encounters of the nude kind. The hosts will explain how the human 
body is
created - thus justifying their own nakedness - and will tell about the
main elements of daily human life.

Cosmic Connexion will talk to sociologists, scientists and space 
experts,
as well as explain to viewers - on earth and in space - about previous
attempts to contact other life forms such as the gold and aluminium disc
placed on board the Pioneer 10 probe launched in 1972 and last contacted
in 2003.

The station has a clear message for viewing aliens: We have seen your
crop circles. Stop by and say hello. Arte has also asked viewers to
submit messages they would like to be broadcast into space as part of 
the
programme. The few halfway intelligible messages on the website 
yesterday
were rather political. Maxmax from Germany wrote: Dear friends of the
sun (or whatever) . . . George W. Bush: bullshit3 Us - music = rather 
not.

The broadcast signal will reach the star Errai in the year 2051. Arte
producers say they are looking forward to receiving alien viewer 
feedback
to their programme - in 2096.

C The Irish Times

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Re: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

[Martin Pratt]

This might explain why we haven't had any contacts at all...

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   If we haven't been 
vaporised for airing more than a pilot episode of 
according to Jim or the war at home, we're good.

We need to embrace that the rest of the galaxy is already laughing at 
us for Joe Millionaire and save the people at SETI the trouble.

I'd like to think that the civilisation that gets the Monty Python 
and Hitchhikers Guide transmissions will make contact before we're 
held responsible for the rest of this stuff.

On Oct 2, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

Great: in a hundred years a saucer full of horny aliens will show up
expecting to get it on with willing Earth chicks-or men. Oh well, I 
guess
that beats an invasion fleet or us being turned into a food source!

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of brent wodehouse
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 17:36
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien
audience

http://www.ireland.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html
com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html

2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

Derek Scally in Berlin

Eurotrash goes intergalactic tonight when two naked television 
presenters
host the first programme conceived for aliens and broadcast to a star
located in the Big Dipper, 45 light years away.

Despite the English language title, the programme, Cosmic Connexion, as
conceived by the channel Arte, assumes the aliens will have a working
knowledge of German and French - the station's two working languages.

The TV show has been conceived as an idiot's guide to humankind, or 
close
encounters of the nude kind. The hosts will explain how the human 
body is
created - thus justifying their own nakedness - and will tell about the
main elements of daily human life.

Cosmic Connexion will talk to sociologists, scientists and space 
experts,
as well as explain to viewers - on earth and in space - about previous
attempts to contact other life forms such as the gold and aluminium disc
placed on board the Pioneer 10 probe launched in 1972 and last contacted
in 2003.

The station has a clear message for viewing aliens: We have seen your
crop circles. Stop by and say hello. Arte has also asked viewers to
submit messages they would like to be broadcast into space as part of 
the
programme. The few halfway intelligible messages on the website 
yesterday
were rather political. Maxmax from Germany wrote: Dear friends of the
sun (or whatever) . . . George W. Bush: bullshit3 Us - music = rather 
not.

The broadcast signal will reach the star Errai in the year 2051. Arte
producers say they are looking forward to receiving alien viewer 
feedback
to their programme - in 2096.

C The Irish Times

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Just picked up a preview in Wizard about a book that WildStorm/DC is doing, 
calling The Boys, about a team of operatives charged with keeping track of 
superpowered individuals, and eliminating them, if necessary. Considering Civil 
War, this would've been a great fit at the House of Ideas.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  No problem at all, it's still 
worth the read even when I know what's
happening. I'm still reeling from some of the heroes' choices. Although I
know Spidey will do the right thing in the end, I must admit it's coloring
my view of him. I mean, perhaps the most misunderstood and misrepresented
hero in the MU, yet he jumps with little thought to Registration. Even
forgiving that, to reveal his identity? I don't care that May and Mary Jane
are behind him, that's just stupid. Spidey has one of the biggest, most
diverse and nuttiest rogue's galleries of all. You could literally throw a
rock in New York and probably hit one of his sworn enemies. And then, even
if he did all that, the leap to *hunting down* his fellow heroes? That just
ain't right...
I'm also trying to deal with Bishop's rationalization that doing this will
prevent a future like the one that birthed him. I see his point, in that he
fears the nation's increasingly negative feelings about metas could result
in an overreaction, such as the full-fledged Sentinels program. I understand
he's trying to forestall that. But again, where do you draw the line at
sacrificing some rights for the great good? When do you gave away that final
piece of yourself that can never be reclaimed. 

Perhaps--perhaps--if Registration was only about getting sanctioned by
S.H.I.E.L.D a la the Avengers' charter, I could understand and support it.
But to force all heroes to reveal their identities, and then, to quickly
criminalize them? I mean damn, they had cape killers attacking heroes
literally *one minute* after the deadline went into effect. They've used
near-lethal force against the likes of Cap and Cage. And they're willing to
quickly seize non-registrant's bank accounts, and charge their families as
co-conspirators? And Spidey is going along with this

Wow...

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Monday, 02 October, 2006 18:04
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

Apologies for that, Keith. I've made an a$$ of myself by assuming that I was
lagging in my reading. As for the Act, it's just a step short of the
real-life Patriot Act. A knee-jerk reaction to tragedy. On a similar vein,
have you read Scarlet Traces?

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Be
sure to write spoiler if y'all discuss any of the Civil War. I just
started and am only up to July's books. Just finished reading Civil War 3
and Frontline 4--powerful stuff!

How does everyone feel about teh Superhuman Registration Act?

-- Original message -- 
From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:daikaiju66%40yahoo.com com 
Have you read the last issue yet? All is not as it seems and Stark 
comes off as an even bigger bastard.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com,
Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Oh, I'll wager that Tony's gonna get his real soon. Once Civil War 
is done and he's been handed his armored a$$, I fully expect someone 
to crawl right up his exhaust pipe and make life really uncomfy for 
him. Still can't believe that Thor went against Cap.
 
 Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryle 
said Tony Stark is a jerk. Can't argue with that! Tony's been
 arrogant, used women like playthings, run roughshod over even his 
friends
 more than once. Didn't he even have a brief affair with Pepper, 
the ex-wife
 of his best friend Happy? That was foul. And a few years back his 
secret
 identity was revealed, and Tony somehow mystically wiped the 
knowledge from
 the memory of everyone on Earth. Cap later found out he'd done 
this and was
 pissed at the manipulation of his mind. Downey just might have the 
stuff to
 pull this off. The script's got to be *tight* though!
 
 
 I finally started reading all the Civil War books two weeks ago, 
and man am
 I having fun! Stark is a jerk? Indeed, or to quote the Falcon's 
comment to
 Cap: Tony Stark is a sellout. Always has been. You CHOSE to see 
that $%!
 through rose-colored glasses.
 
 Unlike many people--especially Blacks--I've always liked Cap. I've 
noticed
 that most Blacks thought he was too corny, too white bread 
literally. I
 remember once having an animated conversation with three of my 
wife's
 brothers, who are all scifi/comic fans. We'd each name a character 
or group
 we'd been following, and the other would excitedly agree. You 
know, stuff
 like Man, Punisher is bad, you got that right!, or Magneto is 
the coolest
 mutant around!. Then I cried out And Captain America is cool! 
Silence,
 except

Re: [scifinoir2] 2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

[Martin Pratt]

So, when we make that first contact, we can't be surprised when the aliens show 
up with carpal-tunnel syndrome.

brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0930/1158591216581.html

2051 space oddity: TV station aims at an alien audience

Derek Scally in Berlin

Eurotrash goes intergalactic tonight when two naked television presenters
host the first programme conceived for aliens and broadcast to a star
located in the Big Dipper, 45 light years away.

Despite the English language title, the programme, Cosmic Connexion, as
conceived by the channel Arte, assumes the aliens will have a working
knowledge of German and French - the station's two working languages.

The TV show has been conceived as an idiot's guide to humankind, or close
encounters of the nude kind. The hosts will explain how the human body is
created - thus justifying their own nakedness - and will tell about the
main elements of daily human life.

Cosmic Connexion will talk to sociologists, scientists and space experts,
as well as explain to viewers - on earth and in space - about previous
attempts to contact other life forms such as the gold and aluminium disc
placed on board the Pioneer 10 probe launched in 1972 and last contacted
in 2003.

The station has a clear message for viewing aliens: We have seen your
crop circles. Stop by and say hello. Arte has also asked viewers to
submit messages they would like to be broadcast into space as part of the
programme. The few halfway intelligible messages on the website yesterday
were rather political. Maxmax from Germany wrote: Dear friends of the
sun (or whatever) . . . George W. Bush: bullshit3 Us - music = rather not.

The broadcast signal will reach the star Errai in the year 2051. Arte
producers say they are looking forward to receiving alien viewer feedback
to their programme - in 2096.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Apologies for that, Keith. I've made an a$$ of myself by assuming that I was 
lagging in my reading. As for the Act, it's just a step short of the real-life 
Patriot Act. A knee-jerk reaction to tragedy. On a similar vein, have you read 
Scarlet Traces?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Be sure to write spoiler if y'all discuss 
any of the Civil War. I just started and am only up to July's books. Just 
finished reading Civil War 3 and Frontline 4--powerful stuff!

How does everyone feel about teh Superhuman Registration Act?

-- Original message -- 
From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Have you read the last issue yet? All is not as it seems and Stark 
comes off as an even bigger bastard.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Oh, I'll wager that Tony's gonna get his real soon. Once Civil War 
is done and he's been handed his armored a$$, I fully expect someone 
to crawl right up his exhaust pipe and make life really uncomfy for 
him. Still can't believe that Thor went against Cap.
 
 Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryle 
said Tony Stark is a jerk. Can't argue with that! Tony's been
 arrogant, used women like playthings, run roughshod over even his 
friends
 more than once. Didn't he even have a brief affair with Pepper, 
the ex-wife
 of his best friend Happy? That was foul. And a few years back his 
secret
 identity was revealed, and Tony somehow mystically wiped the 
knowledge from
 the memory of everyone on Earth. Cap later found out he'd done 
this and was
 pissed at the manipulation of his mind. Downey just might have the 
stuff to
 pull this off. The script's got to be *tight* though!
 
 
 I finally started reading all the Civil War books two weeks ago, 
and man am
 I having fun! Stark is a jerk? Indeed, or to quote the Falcon's 
comment to
 Cap: Tony Stark is a sellout. Always has been. You CHOSE to see 
that $%!
 through rose-colored glasses.
 
 Unlike many people--especially Blacks--I've always liked Cap. I've 
noticed
 that most Blacks thought he was too corny, too white bread 
literally. I
 remember once having an animated conversation with three of my 
wife's
 brothers, who are all scifi/comic fans. We'd each name a character 
or group
 we'd been following, and the other would excitedly agree. You 
know, stuff
 like Man, Punisher is bad, you got that right!, or Magneto is 
the coolest
 mutant around!. Then I cried out And Captain America is cool! 
Silence,
 except for the chirping crickets. 
 
 I like Cap because he represents the ideal we never achieve: fair 
play, lack
 of racism, a belief in an America that actually practices 
democratic and
 egalitarian ideals. An America in which a citizen can love his 
country
 fiercely, and yet be outrage at its aggressive policies, in which 
one can
 work for the state, yet fight to protect the rights of the 
individual. Cap
 is the way I've always tried to be, yet in some ways woefully 
naive too.
 (Guilty as charged!) So it's no surprise that this agent of 
S.H.I.E.L.D and
 sanctioned Avengers leader would take umbrage at all superbeings
 registering. He still carries the mythical ideals of the so-called 
Greatest
 Generation that fought Fascism. I must say, I always associated 
that
 attempt to hold true values with Peter Parker as well, but his 
embrace of
 the superhero Storm troopers is frightening. One would think that 
after
 years of being unfairly persecuted, Peter would be the *last* 
person to go
 along with a program that immediately criminalizes unregistered 
superbeings.
 I think Peter's lost, perhaps being too grateful to Stark as a 
type of
 father figure. And perhaps years of being persona no grata and 
struggling
 financially has allowed him to be swayed by the thought of living 
in comfort
 and not having to run from the law that's always mistaking him for 
a bad
 guy. 
 
 I'm pretty sure Spidey will wake up and realize what he's done. 
 
 _ 
 
 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
 Sent: Saturday, 30 September, 2006 10:22
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man
 
 I think you hit it right on the head with the Keaton comparison. 
 This is the second best casting decision in the history of comic 
 book movies. No pretty boys for this one. Tony Stark is a jerk. 
The 
 Civil War storyline points this out best of all. (Never thought 
I'd 
 be siding with Captain America, but here I am.) Downey has been 
 prepping for this role like Pierce Brosnan had been preparing for 
 Bond. Every role he's ever played, since Heart  Soul, was 
 basically THIS GUY. A jerk. A man with a dark side. Someone you 
 either love or despise. This should be great.
 
 I was reading Iron Man for a while, but it never held my attention 
 like Fantastic Four or Avengers, so I let it go.
 
 Of course, I notice there's no mention of War Machine in the 
script. 
 Oh well.
 
 I think this movie

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

You mean New Avengers? Maybe it's the classic smart-guy ego thing at work.

B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Have you read the last issue 
yet? All is not as it seems and Stark 
comes off as an even bigger bastard.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Oh, I'll wager that Tony's gonna get his real soon. Once Civil War 
is done and he's been handed his armored a$$, I fully expect someone 
to crawl right up his exhaust pipe and make life really uncomfy for 
him. Still can't believe that Thor went against Cap.
 
 Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryle 
said Tony Stark is a jerk. Can't argue with that! Tony's been
 arrogant, used women like playthings, run roughshod over even his 
friends
 more than once. Didn't he even have a brief affair with Pepper, 
the ex-wife
 of his best friend Happy? That was foul. And a few years back his 
secret
 identity was revealed, and Tony somehow mystically wiped the 
knowledge from
 the memory of everyone on Earth. Cap later found out he'd done 
this and was
 pissed at the manipulation of his mind. Downey just might have the 
stuff to
 pull this off. The script's got to be *tight* though!
 
 
 I finally started reading all the Civil War books two weeks ago, 
and man am
 I having fun! Stark is a jerk? Indeed, or to quote the Falcon's 
comment to
 Cap: Tony Stark is a sellout. Always has been. You CHOSE to see 
that $%!
 through rose-colored glasses.
 
 Unlike many people--especially Blacks--I've always liked Cap. I've 
noticed
 that most Blacks thought he was too corny, too white bread 
literally. I
 remember once having an animated conversation with three of my 
wife's
 brothers, who are all scifi/comic fans. We'd each name a character 
or group
 we'd been following, and the other would excitedly agree. You 
know, stuff
 like Man, Punisher is bad, you got that right!, or Magneto is 
the coolest
 mutant around!. Then I cried out And Captain America is cool! 
Silence,
 except for the chirping crickets. 
 
 I like Cap because he represents the ideal we never achieve: fair 
play, lack
 of racism, a belief in an America that actually practices 
democratic and
 egalitarian ideals. An America in which a citizen can love his 
country
 fiercely, and yet be outrage at its aggressive policies, in which 
one can
 work for the state, yet fight to protect the rights of the 
individual. Cap
 is the way I've always tried to be, yet in some ways woefully 
naive too.
 (Guilty as charged!) So it's no surprise that this agent of 
S.H.I.E.L.D and
 sanctioned Avengers leader would take umbrage at all superbeings
 registering. He still carries the mythical ideals of the so-called 
Greatest
 Generation that fought Fascism. I must say, I always associated 
that
 attempt to hold true values with Peter Parker as well, but his 
embrace of
 the superhero Storm troopers is frightening. One would think that 
after
 years of being unfairly persecuted, Peter would be the *last* 
person to go
 along with a program that immediately criminalizes unregistered 
superbeings.
 I think Peter's lost, perhaps being too grateful to Stark as a 
type of
 father figure. And perhaps years of being persona no grata and 
struggling
 financially has allowed him to be swayed by the thought of living 
in comfort
 and not having to run from the law that's always mistaking him for 
a bad
 guy. 
 
 I'm pretty sure Spidey will wake up and realize what he's done. 
 
 _ 
 
 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
 Sent: Saturday, 30 September, 2006 10:22
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man
 
 I think you hit it right on the head with the Keaton comparison. 
 This is the second best casting decision in the history of comic 
 book movies. No pretty boys for this one. Tony Stark is a jerk. 
The 
 Civil War storyline points this out best of all. (Never thought 
I'd 
 be siding with Captain America, but here I am.) Downey has been 
 prepping for this role like Pierce Brosnan had been preparing for 
 Bond. Every role he's ever played, since Heart  Soul, was 
 basically THIS GUY. A jerk. A man with a dark side. Someone you 
 either love or despise. This should be great.
 
 I was reading Iron Man for a while, but it never held my attention 
 like Fantastic Four or Avengers, so I let it go.
 
 Of course, I notice there's no mention of War Machine in the 
script. 
 Oh well.
 
 I think this movie will be really cool.
 
 On Sep 29, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
 
 I am intrigued by this casting. If you want an actor who can play 
 someone
 who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not 
sure how
 he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but 
hey,
 Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a 
decent
 job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel 
 production.
 Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me

Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Don't go all shy on us now.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Um...okay...

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Astro, you and Keith are equal partners 
in that casting firm.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A younger Treat Williams would probably 
make a great Tony Stark, but oh well...You made a good point with Keaton as 
Batman, so let's hope...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am intrigued by this casting. If you 
want an actor who can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War. 

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man 
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET 

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Are You Watching These Toons?

[Martin Pratt]

Avatar, I've missed entirely. FF...I wish I could be so lucky. It's alright. 
Nothing to shout about. As for the Bat, just bring back the original WB 
cartoon's team, and give them all the funding. Please.

B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I'm loving this season of 
Avatar. My channel guide had the wrong 
time listed for the first LSH episode so I missed it. I really 
enjoyed the second episode.

The FF...eh. I liked the Hulk episode but Johnny just annoys me.

The Batman...still not my cup of tea but the first episode with Team 
Penguin was entertaining.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm curious if any of y'all have seen a couple of new cartoons 
this season, or are watching returning ones:
 
 Avatar - Nick, Fridays at 8 pm, reruns (sometimes a week behind) 
Saturdays from 11 - 12 noon 
 http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/avatar2/
 
 I liked this show from the start. Despite its sometimes 
anachronistic language and youth-oriented writing, its concept of 
Benders manipulating the four classical Elements, and a reincarnated 
Avatar saving the world, intrigued me. The moments of drama and 
action more than compensated for any kiddiness in the show. Trust me 
though: it's gotten much, much better. Ang has learned that he has 
less than a year to learn Bending of all the elements and defeat the 
Fire Lord. A fiery comet is approaching the world, whose flame will 
make the Fire lord all but invincible, and Ang must be ready before 
then. Prince Zuko and his uncle are starting to question the goals 
of the Fire Nation. The mythology of the series is being fleshed out 
more. (Check out the above link, which details philosophy of each of 
the Bending arts, to see what I mean). New Benders are encountered 
all the time, including whole cities full of them, such as Ba Sing 
Se, where the trains are run by Earth Benders pushing the st
 one vehicles on stone rails with their powers. The stories are 
getting more mature, the danger and stakes, increasing. Still not 
enough Bending for me, but man, when Ang lets loose in Avatar mode, 
watch out! Like the young characters who must rise to the challenge 
of saving their world, this show continues to grow. Truly one of 
the best cartoons on TV. 
 
 
 Legion of Superheroes - CW Kid's WB? Saturdays at 10:00?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Super_Heroes_
(animated_series)
 Character pics can be found here: 
http://www.legionsofgotham.org/LOSHcharacters.html
 
 (Not sure of the network or the time, as when I saw it on Sep 
23, it was called Kid's WB, even though the WB was merged into the 
CW). Say what??? Caught me completely off guard. I happened to catch 
the debut on Sept 23. Legion goes back in time to recruit Superman 
for help against the Fatal Five, but end up going further back and 
getting young Clark Kent, who's still learning to use his powers. 
Clark can't even fly when they contact him. Though he does learn, 
he's about as unstable in flight as the Greatest American Hero. 
Strong though: he lifted 3,000 tons during a test. Clark is quickly 
inducted into the Legion after helping defeat the Fatal Five. The 
show's premise is that he'll hang out in the 31st Century helping 
out for a while, and then be returned back to his time only minutes 
after initially leaving. The first show was decent, if you overlook 
the rather basic animation. The characters have been changed 
somewhat, such as the now completely robotic Brainiac 5, or the glo
 wing lightning bolt scar over Lightning Lad's right eye. Evidently 
there's some legal issues with the show, as young Clark has dubbed 
himself Superman, *not* Superboy. One interesting thing is that 
the Legion took Clark to a museum full of pictures, statues, and 
costumes from his adult years as Superman. Indeed, his first costume 
ever is secured in the future, when he takes one from the Superman 
exhibit. At least worth a visit, if not a long term stay. 
 
 
 The Batman - CW Kid's WB? Saturdays at 10:30? 
 http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BATMAN.html
 
 New season, new music, new opening scenes. Robin has joined the 
show, in an episode that was fairly mature and graphic in terms of 
his parents' murder by Tony Zuco. Batgirl is also evidently a 
regular this season. I hated the premiere last year, grew to 
appreciate it somewhat (though still not as much as Batman: The 
Animated Series). It's not half bad, just not as well-written or 
mature as that great previous series. There's a lot of action, but 
at the expense of good dialogue and writing, to my mind. A tricky 
thing to make a superhero cartoon that's not just action and flash, 
but the first series managed to do just that. It's also still a 
change to deal with a Bruce Wayne's who's not always bitter and 
moody. This is a younger Bruce, who can still laugh and joke in his 
civilian life—even in private with Alfred. I guess, looking at this 
series and the movie Batman Begins, the new writers' idea is that 
years 

RE: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Let's flip, Astro. Winner gets to rip off the CEO's head and spit down his 
neck-stump.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  COMCAST??? Fi and curses

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working for Comcast? Who me??

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Sunday, 01 October, 2006 17:43
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

Keith, why are you wasting your time working for Comcast? Casting is in your
blood.

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: I could see a younger Powers Boothe as Stark. I always
thought he had more
potential as an actor than was ever really tapped. 

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On
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Sent: Saturday, 30 September, 2006 21:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

A younger Treat Williams would probably make a great Tony Stark, but oh
well...You made a good point with Keaton as Batman, so let's hope...

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by this casting. If you want an actor who
can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War. 

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man 
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET 

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Are You Watching These Toons?

[Martin Pratt]

I'm so-so on the Legion, too. Used to be one of my favorite books, after the FF 
and Avengers, to read, and I'm not quite into the flow of the updated version. 
But I'll keep watching. Almost missed it, because I didn't know it was airing 
until fifteen seconds before it came on, as you know from living here, Keith. 
To get myself over the disappointment, I'm going out to pick up Legion Lost.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I'm curious if any of y'all have seen a couple of new 
cartoons this season, or are watching returning ones:

Avatar - Nick, Fridays at 8 pm, reruns (sometimes a week behind) Saturdays from 
11 - 12 noon 
http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/avatar2/

I liked this show from the start. Despite its sometimes anachronistic language 
and youth-oriented writing, its concept of Benders manipulating the four 
classical Elements, and a reincarnated Avatar saving the world, intrigued me. 
The moments of drama and action more than compensated for any kiddiness in the 
show. Trust me though: it's gotten much, much better. Ang has learned that he 
has less than a year to learn Bending of all the elements and defeat the Fire 
Lord. A fiery comet is approaching the world, whose flame will make the Fire 
lord all but invincible, and Ang must be ready before then. Prince Zuko and his 
uncle are starting to question the goals of the Fire Nation. The mythology of 
the series is being fleshed out more. (Check out the above link, which details 
philosophy of each of the Bending arts, to see what I mean). New Benders are 
encountered all the time, including whole cities full of them, such as Ba Sing 
Se, where the trains are run by Earth Benders pushing
 the st
one vehicles on stone rails with their powers. The stories are getting more 
mature, the danger and stakes, increasing. Still not enough Bending for me, but 
man, when Ang lets loose in Avatar mode, watch out! Like the young characters 
who must rise to the challenge of saving their world, this show continues to 
grow. Truly one of the best cartoons on TV. 


Legion of Superheroes - CW Kid's WB? Saturdays at 10:00?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Super_Heroes_(animated_series)
Character pics can be found here: 
http://www.legionsofgotham.org/LOSHcharacters.html

(Not sure of the network or the time, as when I saw it on Sep 23, it was called 
Kid's WB, even though the WB was merged into the CW). Say what??? Caught me 
completely off guard. I happened to catch the debut on Sept 23. Legion goes 
back in time to recruit Superman for help against the Fatal Five, but end up 
going further back and getting young Clark Kent, who's still learning to use 
his powers. Clark can't even fly when they contact him. Though he does learn, 
he's about as unstable in flight as the Greatest American Hero. Strong though: 
he lifted 3,000 tons during a test. Clark is quickly inducted into the Legion 
after helping defeat the Fatal Five. The show's premise is that he'll hang out 
in the 31st Century helping out for a while, and then be returned back to his 
time only minutes after initially leaving. The first show was decent, if you 
overlook the rather basic animation. The characters have been changed somewhat, 
such as the now completely robotic Brainiac 5, or the
 glo
wing lightning bolt scar over Lightning Lad's right eye. Evidently there's some 
legal issues with the show, as young Clark has dubbed himself Superman, *not* 
Superboy. One interesting thing is that the Legion took Clark to a museum 
full of pictures, statues, and costumes from his adult years as Superman. 
Indeed, his first costume ever is secured in the future, when he takes one from 
the Superman exhibit. At least worth a visit, if not a long term stay. 


The Batman - CW Kid's WB? Saturdays at 10:30? 
http://www.legionsofgotham.org/BATMAN.html

New season, new music, new opening scenes. Robin has joined the show, in an 
episode that was fairly mature and graphic in terms of his parents' murder by 
Tony Zuco. Batgirl is also evidently a regular this season. I hated the 
premiere last year, grew to appreciate it somewhat (though still not as much as 
Batman: The Animated Series). It’s not half bad, just not as well-written or 
mature as that great previous series. There’s a lot of action, but at the 
expense of good dialogue and writing, to my mind. A tricky thing to make a 
superhero cartoon that’s not just action and flash, but the first series 
managed to do just that. It’s also still a change to deal with a Bruce Wayne’s 
who’s not always bitter and moody. This is a younger Bruce, who can still laugh 
and joke in his civilian life—even in private with Alfred. I guess, looking at 
this series and the movie “Batman Begins”, the new writers’ idea is that years 
of fighting crime takes its toll, making Batman ever grimmer in
 his priv
ate life, not just when wearing the cape and cowl. I’m also not keen on the way 
some of the villains are presented this time around, such as the strange, 

Re: [scifinoir2] Fwd: From SCIFI WIRE: Blade Gets The Spike

[Martin Pratt]

Oh! Did I mention that they passed over Kenya Moore as the female lead?
   
  (filing change-of-planet paperwork)

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  (Restaining Keith as he goes for recliner sofa...)

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eject button was officially depressed, 
according to Our Girl Krista's web site. We'll miss her bloood-lust orgies, 
won't we, Keith?

(ducks, expecting something really big to be thrown)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

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Q) What did Urkel/Galactus say forty million years ago, after inadvertently 
feeding on Mars instead of Earth?
   
  A) Did I do that?
   
  Keith, the lack of real studio support for Marvel's future endeavors worries 
me too. drcsaid, as for why they aren't still looking? It's the H'Wood Game, my 
man. And only the players know the rules.

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here?!?!?!?! 

They wrote: Budgeted at more than $100 million..

Whose producing this, Howard The Duck? That's the only actor they can get with 
a budget like that? And the rumors that Terrence Howard is going to play James 
War Machine Rhodes needs verification...

They wrote: Marvel president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers 
looked for the best actor to embody the character.

So how come they still aren't looking for that actor? Then again, If the get 
Robert Downey fresh out of rehab he won't have to strech playing Tony 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Fwd: From SCIFI WIRE: Blade Gets The Spike

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Eject button was officially depressed, according to Our Girl Krista's web site. 
We'll miss her bloood-lust orgies, won't we, Keith?
   
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Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Astro, you and Keith are equal partners in that casting firm.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  A younger Treat Williams would 
probably make a great Tony Stark, but oh well...You made a good point with 
Keaton as Batman, so let's hope...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am intrigued by this casting. If you 
want an actor who can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War. 

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man 
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET 

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Keith, why are you wasting your time working for Comcast? Casting is in your 
blood.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I could see a younger Powers 
Boothe as Stark. I always thought he had more
potential as an actor than was ever really tapped. 

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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A younger Treat Williams would probably make a great Tony Stark, but oh
well...You made a good point with Keaton as Batman, so let's hope...

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by this casting. If you want an actor who
can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War. 

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man 
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET 

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Premieres Tonight on NBC

[Martin Pratt]

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
That's Ok, you were reading my mind. Its not that she's a bad actress. 
She can act okay. Its that so many other trek stars, as well as other 
actors we love will not likely see this time of job security. all 
because of her cat.

Sigh

Tracey

Martin Pratt wrote:
 Tracey, I could tell you my exact opinion on why Mz Ryan keeps getting work, 
 but, as a friend of mine is wont to say in these situations, this is a family 
 post.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Just returned home 
 after spending a two weeks in the States so I got a 
 chance to check out a few premieres. I really like Heroes. I felt 
 frustrated with the strategy of introducing so many interesting 
 characters in one hour without really getting to know them, but, I get 
 that the networks are only giving the creators of these shows 4-6 weeks 
 to capture an audience, and we saw how they treated invasion and surface 
 when they gave us the long drawn out first season. I looks like they may 
 be using the Lost playbook so maybe it has a chance. I think they may 
 succeed with drawing a non-scifi audience like Lost did by not taking 
 the comic book approach. We get most shows here in Mexico a few months 
 to a year after you do, so I might have to explore non-traditional 
 viewing options. I'm moving to a city with a lot of americans. some of 
 them have been talking to me about satellite optionsw, so maybe I won't 
 have to miss much.

 I did not expect to like Shark but I really did. good cast, although I 
 still have Seven of Nine-itis-- how does she get so much work while 
 other Trek alum face obscurity?

 I liked Smith. I'm a big liotta fan. I loved him in Field of dreams, 
 Something Wild, Identity, no Escape, Corrina, Corrina, forgettable, and 
 goodfellas. I also like Virginia Madsen, Jonnie Lee Miller, and Simon 
 baker. I was not blown away like with the first episode of Lost or 
 Gallatica, but I could see coming back. I do not see his character being 
 like house. but the producers say they want him to be to thieves what 
 Gandofini was to the sopranos.

 Jericho, was okay. I'm am so hard up for scifi, if I was in the states 
 or it gets shown down here, I would watch it. I would not go out of my way.

 Tracey

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 Latest scifi themed show of the new season. Not sure if it'll be good. The 
 creator says he tried hard not to create another slowly-unfolding-mystery 
 show (hear that George?!), and also they don't want it to become a 
 power/villain of the week type of show. I guess The 4400 might be the 
 closest show with which to compare it. I'll check it out, anyone else giving 
 it a go? Am I noticing a decrease in interest in TVs new seasons? I see very 
 little real buzz this year, including with this group. Is that because the 
 scifi explosion of recent years is on the downward spiral again, or because 
 you find TV in general not very good? With all the reality shows and 
 procedural cop shows and whatnot, I can see that. It appears the networks 
 are trying hard to woo viewers back, as seen by them bringing respected 
 actors like James Woods and Ray Liotta and Virginia Madsen to the small 
 screen. 

 [Interview from TVGuide.com]

 NBC's Heroes: The Show's Secrets Unmasked! 
 by Matt Webb Mitovich 
 Heroes
 Tonight at 9 pm/ET, the new NBC drama Heroes raises the question, What if 
 you woke up one day to realize that you possessed superpowers? Flight, mind 
 reading, teleportation, indestructibility... what if one of these abilities 
 was suddenly yours? Among the ensemble cast of would-be superbeings are 
 Alias' Greg Grunberg, Ice Princess' Hayden Panettiere, Gilmore Girls' Milo 
 Ventimiglia and newcomer Masi Oka as an actual Hiro, a Japanese workforce 
 drone who in the commercials is all too happy to get a whiff of his destiny. 
 While on the surface it's easy to write off heroes as some sort of X-Men for 
 the small screen, series creator Tim Kring (Crossing Jordan) says the idea's 
 origin lies neither there nor in his brief stint on Misfits of Science, but 
 elsewhere. I was fascinated with this idea of a new paradigm in the 
 large-ensemble, serialized show, he tells TVGuide.com. I started to think 
 about what would make for an interesting version of that. And I happened to 
 see back-to-back on consecutive days two movies that sort of melded together 
 in my mind — The Incredibles and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
 I loved those movies, he continues, and so I started to sort of blend 
 them in my mind over the next few days, mixing the idea of people who had 
 superpowers but are struggling with their everyday lives. That was the 
 genesis of the idea.
 Another distinction from Wolverine, Cyclops, et al, is that despite what you 
 may think, Heroes will not rush to bring these disparate, suddenly endowed 
 characters together as a crime-fighting cadre, clad in matching vinyl

Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

And who'd want to side with Stark anyway? If he were real, I wouldn't bother 
dialing his number unless I needed to pick his brain.

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
I think you hit it right on the head with the Keaton comparison. 
This is the second best casting decision in the history of comic 
book movies. No pretty boys for this one. Tony Stark is a jerk. The 
Civil War storyline points this out best of all. (Never thought I'd 
be siding with Captain America, but here I am.) Downey has been 
prepping for this role like Pierce Brosnan had been preparing for 
Bond. Every role he's ever played, since Heart  Soul, was 
basically THIS GUY. A jerk. A man with a dark side. Someone you 
either love or despise. This should be great.

I was reading Iron Man for a while, but it never held my attention 
like Fantastic Four or Avengers, so I let it go.

Of course, I notice there's no mention of War Machine in the script. 
Oh well.

I think this movie will be really cool.

On Sep 29, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I am intrigued by this casting. If you want an actor who can play 
someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel 
production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, 
because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a 
fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my 
exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War.

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero 
movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the 
Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. 
Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers 
a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the 
world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film 
to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously 
licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. 
Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for 
the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're 
about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through 
between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard 
to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye 
have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best 
person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. 
The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

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[scifinoir2] Fwd: From SCIFI WIRE: Blade Gets The Spike

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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who, Battlestar Galactica

[Martin Pratt]

Wasn't entirely fair to the newer fans, having to adjust to picking p the idea 
of an entirely new actor in the role. Since I've been watching the show since 
'78, it was just another gear change for me. What Eccleston brought to the role 
was something that needed further exploration.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The newest (in America) 
season of Dr. Who premieres tonight on Sci Fi
Channel. This of course has the Doctor's latest incarnation, as Chris
Eccleston left after only one season. Not sure why, but it's too bad. I
liked him as the Doctor. Monday Sci Fi is running a special summary show
to catch everyone up on season two, in preparation for the debut of season
three next Friday.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

Oh, I'll wager that Tony's gonna get his real soon. Once Civil War is done and 
he's been handed his armored a$$, I fully expect someone to crawl right up his 
exhaust pipe and make life really uncomfy for him. Still can't believe that 
Thor went against Cap.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Daryle said Tony Stark is a 
jerk. Can't argue with that! Tony's been
arrogant, used women like playthings, run roughshod over even his friends
more than once. Didn't he even have a brief affair with Pepper, the ex-wife
of his best friend Happy? That was foul. And a few years back his secret
identity was revealed, and Tony somehow mystically wiped the knowledge from
the memory of everyone on Earth. Cap later found out he'd done this and was
pissed at the manipulation of his mind. Downey just might have the stuff to
pull this off. The script's got to be *tight* though!


I finally started reading all the Civil War books two weeks ago, and man am
I having fun! Stark is a jerk? Indeed, or to quote the Falcon's comment to
Cap: Tony Stark is a sellout. Always has been. You CHOSE to see that $%!
through rose-colored glasses.

Unlike many people--especially Blacks--I've always liked Cap. I've noticed
that most Blacks thought he was too corny, too white bread literally. I
remember once having an animated conversation with three of my wife's
brothers, who are all scifi/comic fans. We'd each name a character or group
we'd been following, and the other would excitedly agree. You know, stuff
like Man, Punisher is bad, you got that right!, or Magneto is the coolest
mutant around!. Then I cried out And Captain America is cool! Silence,
except for the chirping crickets. 

I like Cap because he represents the ideal we never achieve: fair play, lack
of racism, a belief in an America that actually practices democratic and
egalitarian ideals. An America in which a citizen can love his country
fiercely, and yet be outrage at its aggressive policies, in which one can
work for the state, yet fight to protect the rights of the individual. Cap
is the way I've always tried to be, yet in some ways woefully naive too.
(Guilty as charged!) So it's no surprise that this agent of S.H.I.E.L.D and
sanctioned Avengers leader would take umbrage at all superbeings
registering. He still carries the mythical ideals of the so-called Greatest
Generation that fought Fascism. I must say, I always associated that
attempt to hold true values with Peter Parker as well, but his embrace of
the superhero Storm troopers is frightening. One would think that after
years of being unfairly persecuted, Peter would be the *last* person to go
along with a program that immediately criminalizes unregistered superbeings.
I think Peter's lost, perhaps being too grateful to Stark as a type of
father figure. And perhaps years of being persona no grata and struggling
financially has allowed him to be swayed by the thought of living in comfort
and not having to run from the law that's always mistaking him for a bad
guy. 

I'm pretty sure Spidey will wake up and realize what he's done. 

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Saturday, 30 September, 2006 10:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

I think you hit it right on the head with the Keaton comparison. 
This is the second best casting decision in the history of comic 
book movies. No pretty boys for this one. Tony Stark is a jerk. The 
Civil War storyline points this out best of all. (Never thought I'd 
be siding with Captain America, but here I am.) Downey has been 
prepping for this role like Pierce Brosnan had been preparing for 
Bond. Every role he's ever played, since Heart  Soul, was 
basically THIS GUY. A jerk. A man with a dark side. Someone you 
either love or despise. This should be great.

I was reading Iron Man for a while, but it never held my attention 
like Fantastic Four or Avengers, so I let it go.

Of course, I notice there's no mention of War Machine in the script. 
Oh well.

I think this movie will be really cool.

On Sep 29, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I am intrigued by this casting. If you want an actor who can play 
someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel 
production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, 
because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a 
fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my 
exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War.

Any thoughts on this one?

Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET

Robert Downey, Jr. is 

Re: [scifinoir2] The Muppet Matrix

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Re: [scifinoir2] Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man

[Martin Pratt]

As long as Fin Fang Foom doesn't put in a appearence. If it comes to that, my 
request for a refund will make the nightly news.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I am intrigued by this 
casting. If you want an actor who can play someone
who's suave yet full of inner demons, I guess Downey is it. Not sure how
he'll look or play as the cool, handsome billionaire playboy, but hey,
Michael Keaton didn't exactly look like Bruce Wayne, and he did a decent
job. I'm more concerned that it's a completely in-house Marvel production.
Wonder how it'll play? I guess for me the jury's completely out, because,
while I'm certainly well-versed in Iron Man lore, I'm not exactly a fan. I
bought his books for about four years, but outside of that all my exposure
to the character comes from teams like the Avengers, and storylines like
Civil War. 

Any thoughts on this one?


Robert Downey Jr. -- I am Iron Man 
By Borys Kit and Sheigh CrabtreeFri Sep 29, 2:16 AM ET 

Robert Downey, Jr. is suiting up to star in Iron Man, a superhero movie
based on the Marvel Comics character. Jon Favreau is directing the Paramount
Pictures release. Filming is slated to begin in February in Los Angeles.
Downey will portray Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist and genius
inventor who is kidnapped and forced to build a devastating weapon. Using
his intelligence and ingenuity, Stark instead builds a high-tech suit of
armor and escapes captivity. Upon his return to the U.S., he uncovers a plot
with global implications and must don his armor and protect the world. The
comic debuted in the 1960s, and Iron Man's origin involved Stark being a
prisoner of the Viet Cong. The movie version will be set in today's
geopolitical climate.

Budgeted at more than $100 million, it marks the first feature film to be
produced independently by Marvel Entertainment, which previously licensed
its characters, such as Spider-Man and X-Men, to other studios. Marvel
president of production Kevin Feige said the filmmakers looked for the best
actor to embody the character.

The Marvel characters are not just about how high they jump or how fast
they fly, they're about their character flaws, Feige said. They're about
their inner demons. They're about the struggles that they go through between
being a man and being a hero.

Downey, who has battled his fair share of inner demons, worked hard to get
the role, getting in shape and even growing a goatee like the one Stark
sports in the comic books.

In every casting announcement we've done, people in their mind's eye have
their own view of it and let us know about it. We're used to it, Feige
said. The point is, we looked at everybody, and we found the best person
for the role. It's as confident a casting move as we've ever done. The proof
will be in the pudding, but he is Tony Stark.

Downey returns to theaters on November 10 in the Diane Arbus bipic Fur
opposite Nicole Kidman.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Jericho Premieres Tonight on CBS

[Martin Pratt]

The brother who played the cop- wasn't he the cop in John Doe?

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Anyone watch Jericho last 
night? Nothing yet to make me feel one way or
the other. Apparently--apparently--the US was nuked, as the residents saw a
mushroom cloud on the horizon one day, and next thing all radio and phone
communications are down. No contact with the nearest major city, Denver.
One kid got a call on his home answering machine from his parents who were
vacationing here in Atlanta, and you can hear an explosion and screaming,
after which the message cuts off. So there's an assumption it was a major
attack. At this point, though, there's nothing approaching data on what
really happened. The most intriguing character is a Black guy who is a
former St. Louis cop. He's handling the crisis well, telling the local
officials how to do their jobs better. They're starting to look to him for
innovative ways to keep the peace, get power, etc. Kinda cool to see a
Brother take the lead and not be a reformed criminal with street smarts and
all that. Other than that the show's a big mystery so far, and i have no
clue as to when we'll know for sure what happened.

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 September, 2006 12:17
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Jericho Premieres Tonight on CBS

Another won't-last-even-if-it's-good scifi show premiering tonight. I guess
you can think of it as Lost on the prairie. Apparently this small Kansas
town is effectively cut off from the rest of the world by what *seems* to be
a nuclear holocaust. Is the rest of the world destroyed? How did they
survive then? Will anyone from the outside world ever enter the town? Are
they in another dimension? Hmm...reminds me of Lost. One wonders how many
slowly-unfolding-mystery shows the public will tolerate. I'm already hearing
some complain that there are too many shows like Lost, Prison Break,
Vanished, 24 etc., that make you catch evey show, either due to the
action or a mystery that slowly reveals itself. Frankly, I love such shows,
but even I can't take a whole bunch of them. I quit watching Vanished for
that reason. I'll give Jericho a try, but sadly, given the bodies of scifi
shows littering the landscape recently--Tru Calling, Jeremiah, Jake 2.0,
John Doe, Threshold, 
Surface, Invasion--I wouldn't be too thrilled about its chances.

http://www.cbs. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/jericho/about/
com/primetime/jericho/about/
JERICHO is a drama about what happens when a nuclear mushroom cloud suddenly
appears on the horizon, plunging the residents of a small, peaceful Kansas
town into chaos, leaving them completely isolated and wondering if they're
the only Americans left alive. Fear of the unknown propels Jericho into
social, psychological and physical mayhem when all communication and power
is shut down. The town starts to come apart at the seams as terror, anger
and confusion bring out the very worst in some residents. Jake Green (Skeet
Ulrich), prodigal son of the town's mayor, becomes a reluctant hero when a
school bus crashes as a result of the explosion. Mayor Johnston Green
(Gerald McRaney) is conflicted with the return of his estranged son, but is
called to action when the town begins to riot. Johnston's wife, Gail (Pamela
Reed), is the strong, savvy first lady of the town who runs interference
between her husband and her favorite son. Attempting to usurp the mayor's
power is Johnston's politic
al adversary, Gray Anderson (Michael Gaston), who is not above putting his
personal agenda before the welfare of the very community he wants to lead.

Though the cloud appears in the distance, it affects all the residents in
Jericho, including Dale Turner (Erik Knudsen), the 16-year-old trailer park
kid everybody picks on, who finds himself in a position that could change
his status; Robert Hawkins (Lennie James), a mysterious stranger who seems
to be a jack-of-all-trades as he steps in to help restore order; Heather
Lisinski (Sprague Grayden), a pretty young schoolteacher on the bus with her
students returning from a class trip when the glare from the explosion
causes a terrible accident; Emily Sullivan (Ashley Scott), Jake's high
school sweetheart who lives outside of town and innocently goes about her
business unaware of the catastrophe, Bonnie Richmond (Shoshannah Stern), a
pretty 17-year-old who is hearing impaired; and Bonnie's older brother
Stanley (Brad Beyer), Jake's best friend from childhood and an avid car
lover who works on the family farm. In this time of crisis, as sensible
people become paranoid, personal agendas 
take over and well-kept secrets threaten to be revealed, some people will
find an inner strength they never knew they had, and the most unlikely
heroes will emerge.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Jericho Premieres Tonight on CBS

[Martin Pratt]

I watched it. My friend (also named Martin) watched it. Our unified verdict?
   
  We'd sooner watch VH1...

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I watched it. My review? Eh. Beats watching VH1.

I was trying to remember why this seemed so familiar and then I 
remembered The Trigger Effect. (http://www.imdb.com/title/ 
tt0117965/) Anybody else see this movie? It's ten years old now.

The nuclear explosion thing is what is going to kill this show. 
Eventually they are going to have to show that people are alive 
across the country. And then the show will be about what would 
happen to Americans if they didn't have technology, which is a show 
that has been tried a hundred times. This show would have been a 
great mini series or a TV movie. But I don't think I'm gonna be a 
regular viewer. And PLEASE don't let them start doing online 
components to the show for clues or stuff like that. After Lost 
and Push, Nevada, I'm done reading TV shows. From here on, If it 
ain't on the screen in between the ads, I'm not interested.

What I WOULD like to point out is the show that came on AFTER 
this...Criminal Minds. One of the only shows I watch regularly now. 
This show has turned Shemar Moore's career AROUND. He's GREAT in this 
show about the Criminal Behaviour unit of the FBI. The start of the 
show is the crime, a lot like Crossing Jordan or the early days of 
CSI. It's got enough reference to science for folks who care, enough 
whodunnit for the CSI crowd. I'd be interested to see what more 
science and speculative fiction fans think of this show.


On Sep 21, 2006, at 12:49 PM, James Landrith wrote:

Thanks for the recap Keith. I missed the first 45 minutes and forgot 
to set
it up to record.

Now the last 15 minutes I saw makes more sense with your summary.

I did like the mayor’s admonition to the citizens to not “break my heart
again” by acting in all manner of jackassery. I grew up in a small town
like that (near Peoria, IL) and I can certainly picture a few idiots 
I knew
losing their minds in a crisis. Of course, my father was (at different
times) on the Village Council, Mayor, Fire Chief, Rescue Chief, and
all-around-volunteer-guy, so I probably felt a bit more of a 
connection to
that character than others may have experienced.

I hope the writing is up to par and it doesn’t become clichéd and
predictable.

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:17 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Jericho Premieres Tonight on CBS

Anyone watch Jericho last night? Nothing yet to make me feel one 
way or
the other. Apparently--apparently--the US was nuked, as the residents 
saw a
mushroom cloud on the horizon one day, and next thing all radio and 
phone
communications are down. No contact with the nearest major city, Denver.
One kid got a call on his home answering machine from his parents who 
were
vacationing here in Atlanta, and you can hear an explosion and 
screaming,
after which the message cuts off. So there's an assumption it was a 
major
attack. At this point, though, there's nothing approaching data on what
really happened. The most intriguing character is a Black guy who is a
former St. Louis cop. He's handling the crisis well, telling the local
officials how to do their jobs better. They're starting to look to 
him for
innovative ways to keep the peace, get power, etc. Kinda cool to see a
Brother take the lead and not be a reformed criminal with street 
smarts and
all that. Other than that the show's a big mystery so far, and i have no
clue as to when we'll know for sure what happened.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka premieres tonight on Sci Fi

[Martin Pratt]

Thanks, didn't know that. What is this form of thought that allows networks to 
jumble up series like this? Firefly made no sense to me until I bought the 
DVD collection, and saw how the whole thing was meant to be aired.

Rising Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  First of all the trailer for 
next week has him in it.
Second SciFi is not playing the epis in order.

Why? Who knows!

RS=D

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone hear any rumors about Joe Morton 
leaving the show? Anyone who saw last night's ep knows where I'm coming from.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The leads are even funny enough to almost make me 
forget to rave about a woman of color being between two white men, with no 
Brothers as love interests in sight--almost! :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Rising Sun 
As this weeks epi showed.

Did Bev sum them up or what!? Attracted to both one emotionally unavailable and 
one immature.

I've been looking for a Yahoo Group on Eureka -- anyone know of one? Care to 
share?

RS=D

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah, Ferguson is really funny, especially when he 
tells her they have a thing that she refuses to acknowledge. Obviously she 
has feelings for him too, but still has some for her husband as well.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Jericho Premieres Tonight on CBS

[Martin Pratt]

Keith, it's a movie he's doing, not a series, about Che Guevara.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The other day--yesterday?--I posted something about 
all the TV shows with slowly unfolding clues, and that keep you guessing as to 
what's what for one or more seasons. That's great, intelligent, suspenseful TV. 
Well needed in what's become a wasteland of reality shows and one-shot CSI/Law 
and Order clones. But yeah, too many of such shows starts to become a strain. 
If you were watching Lost, 24, the new Vanished, Kidnapped, Prison Break etc., 
you'd indeed have to watch every ep to stay up. And actually a good show with 
action and suspense--24, Prison Break--at least doesn't keep you guesing. As 
you said, too many of these shows with cleverly placed clues, slowly doled out 
revelations? Becomes overwhelming. I know I sound as if I'm being ungrateful, 
as it's the intelligent TV I wanted, but some of the themes simply don't 
warrant the format.

I'd heard that Criminal Minds was disturbring in its graphic nature and 
subject matter, so I never really watched it. Glad to hear Moore finally got a 
good non-soap opera gig that's steady. And he really needed something that took 
him away from the whole pretty boy image, where he's always a heart throb. Now 
if former Law and Order alum Benjamin Bratt could only be so lucky. I think 
they cancelled that horrible E-Ring he was in last year. Who was smoking 
crack when they decided to cast Dennis freakin' Hopper as an army general??!!

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart 

 I watched it. My review? Eh. Beats watching VH1. 
 
 I was trying to remember why this seemed so familiar and then I 
 remembered The Trigger Effect. (http://www.imdb.com/title/ 
 tt0117965/) Anybody else see this movie? It's ten years old now. 
 
 The nuclear explosion thing is what is going to kill this show. 
 Eventually they are going to have to show that people are alive 
 across the country. And then the show will be about what would 
 happen to Americans if they didn't have technology, which is a show 
 that has been tried a hundred times. This show would have been a 
 great mini series or a TV movie. But I don't think I'm gonna be a 
 regular viewer. And PLEASE don't let them start doing online 
 components to the show for clues or stuff like that. After Lost 
 and Push, Nevada, I'm done reading TV shows. From here on, If it 
 ain't on the screen in between the ads, I'm not interested. 
 
 What I WOULD like to point out is the show that came on AFTER 
 this...Criminal Minds. One of the only shows I watch regularly now. 
 This show has turned Shemar Moore's career AROUND. He's GREAT in this 
 show about the Criminal Behaviour unit of the FBI. The start of the 
 show is the crime, a lot like Crossing Jordan or the early days of 
 CSI. It's got enough reference to science for folks who care, enough 
 whodunnit for the CSI crowd. I'd be interested to see what more 
 science and speculative fiction fans think of this show. 
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2006, at 12:49 PM, James Landrith wrote: 
 
 Thanks for the recap Keith. I missed the first 45 minutes and forgot 
 to set 
 it up to record. 
 
 Now the last 15 minutes I saw makes more sense with your summary. 
 
 I did like the mayor’s admonition to the citizens to not “break my heart 
 again” by acting in all manner of jackassery. I grew up in a small town 
 like that (near Peoria, IL) and I can certainly picture a few idiots 
 I knew 
 losing their minds in a crisis. Of course, my father was (at different 
 times) on the Village Council, Mayor, Fire Chief, Rescue Chief, and 
 all-around-volunteer-guy, so I probably felt a bit more of a 
 connection to 
 that character than others may have experienced. 
 
 I hope the writing is up to par and it doesn’t become clichéd and 
 predictable. 
 
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 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
 Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:17 AM 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Jericho Premieres Tonight on CBS 
 
 Anyone watch Jericho last night? Nothing yet to make me feel one 
 way or 
 the other. Apparently--apparently--the US was nuked, as the residents 
 saw a 
 mushroom cloud on the horizon one day, and next thing all radio and 
 phone 
 communications are down. No contact with the nearest major city, Denver. 
 One kid got a call on his home answering machine from his parents who 
 were 
 vacationing here in Atlanta, and you can hear an explosion and 
 

Re: [scifinoir2] UFO Delays Space Shuttle Landing

[Martin Pratt]

They wish that it were a UFO. More like the damn thing's falling apart around 
their ears. Mark this moment in history, folks. It'll be the last shuttle 
flight.

brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5361356.stm

'Mystery object' delays shuttle

The US space agency's Atlantis shuttle has had its Wednesday landing
postponed after an unidentified object was seen floating near the vehicle.

The delay will give engineers an opportunity to investigate the incident -
and time for poor weather at the Florida landing strip to pass.

The mission management team has decided to keep Atlantis 24 more hours in
orbit, a Nasa spokesman said.

Atlantis is returning from the space station where it attached solar wings.

The first opportunity for a touchdown at the Kennedy Space Center is now
0615 EDT (1015 GMT) on Thursday.

The mystery object appears on video taken by a shuttle camera. It has been
described as small and dark, and coming possibly from the ship's payload
bay.

It was noticed as astronauts were testing the vehicle's jets in
preparation for the return to Earth.

Tourist arrival

Mission Control has told the astronauts on Atlantis to hold off packing
away the shuttle's robot arm and television antenna in case further
inspections are required.

The question is: what is it? Is it something benign, or is it something
more critical we should pay attention to? said Wayne Hale, the space
shuttle programme manager.

We want to make sure we're safe before committing to that critical
journey through the atmosphere.

Even before the unexplained object came to the attention of engineers,
Nasa was considering a change to the scheduled landing time because of
unfavourable weather forecasts at Kennedy.

Atlantis is making its way home from a construction visit to the
International Space Station. The orbiter undocked on Sunday to make way
for a Soyuz craft that is heading to the platform with a new crew and the
first female space tourist, Anousheh Ansari.

The US businesswoman is expected at the station with the new commander
Michael Lopez-Alegria and flight engineer Mikhail Tyurinat at 0524 GMT on
Wednesday.



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] UFO Delays Space Shuttle Landing

[Martin Pratt]

Well, they're already phasing it out (for what, they have yet to figure), and 
having pieces of something floating in space about the shuttle won't inspire 
confidence in the masses, most of whom are old enough to remember Challenger, 
all of whom remember Columbia.

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Why do you say it will be the last 
flight? What do you think will 
become of the space station if the shuttle program is scrapped?


On Sep 20, 2006, at 8:38 AM, Martin Pratt wrote:

They wish that it were a UFO. More like the damn thing's falling 
apart around their ears. Mark this moment in history, folks. It'll be 
the last shuttle flight.

brent wodehouse 
wrote:http:// 
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5361356.stm

'Mystery object' delays shuttle

The US space agency's Atlantis shuttle has had its Wednesday landing
postponed after an unidentified object was seen floating near the 
vehicle.

The delay will give engineers an opportunity to investigate the 
incident -
and time for poor weather at the Florida landing strip to pass.

The mission management team has decided to keep Atlantis 24 more 
hours in
orbit, a Nasa spokesman said.

Atlantis is returning from the space station where it attached solar 
wings.

The first opportunity for a touchdown at the Kennedy Space Center is now
0615 EDT (1015 GMT) on Thursday.

The mystery object appears on video taken by a shuttle camera. It has 
been
described as small and dark, and coming possibly from the ship's payload
bay.

It was noticed as astronauts were testing the vehicle's jets in
preparation for the return to Earth.

Tourist arrival

Mission Control has told the astronauts on Atlantis to hold off packing
away the shuttle's robot arm and television antenna in case further
inspections are required.

The question is: what is it? Is it something benign, or is it something
more critical we should pay attention to? said Wayne Hale, the space
shuttle programme manager.

We want to make sure we're safe before committing to that critical
journey through the atmosphere.

Even before the unexplained object came to the attention of engineers,
Nasa was considering a change to the scheduled landing time because of
unfavourable weather forecasts at Kennedy.

Atlantis is making its way home from a construction visit to the
International Space Station. The orbiter undocked on Sunday to make way
for a Soyuz craft that is heading to the platform with a new crew and 
the
first female space tourist, Anousheh Ansari.

The US businesswoman is expected at the station with the new commander
Michael Lopez-Alegria and flight engineer Mikhail Tyurinat at 0524 
GMT on
Wednesday.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka premieres tonight on Sci Fi

[Martin Pratt]

Anyone hear any rumors about Joe Morton leaving the show? Anyone who saw last 
night's ep knows where I'm coming from.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The leads are even funny enough to almost make me 
forget to rave about a woman of color being between two white men, with no 
Brothers as love interests in sight--almost! :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Rising Sun 
As this weeks epi showed.

Did Bev sum them up or what!? Attracted to both one emotionally unavailable and 
one immature.

I've been looking for a Yahoo Group on Eureka -- anyone know of one? Care to 
share?

RS=D

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah, Ferguson is really funny, especially when he 
tells her they have a thing that she refuses to acknowledge. Obviously she 
has feelings for him too, but still has some for her husband as well.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka premieres tonight on Sci Fi

[Martin Pratt]

As soon as i typed those words, I saw a preview of next week's ep, and he's in 
it. Maybe that was just a plot twist, just to keep us on our feet. Without 
Henry, who'd be there to save their bacon week in and week out?

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I haven't heard anything to 
that effect. Can't say I'd be surprised. The
role's cool, nice and lighthearted, but he is capable of so much more.
Awesome actor who's never made the mainstream A-list like he deserved.

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 September, 2006 19:01
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka premieres tonight on Sci Fi

Anyone hear any rumors about Joe Morton leaving the show? Anyone who saw
last night's ep knows where I'm coming from.

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: The
leads are even funny enough to almost make me forget to rave about a woman
of color being between two white men, with no Brothers as love interests in
sight--almost! :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Rising Sun 
As this weeks epi showed.

Did Bev sum them up or what!? Attracted to both one emotionally unavailable
and one immature.

I've been looking for a Yahoo Group on Eureka -- anyone know of one? Care to
share?

RS=D

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote:Yeah,
Ferguson is really funny, especially when he tells her they have a thing
that she refuses to acknowledge. Obviously she has feelings for him too, but
still has some for her husband as well.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
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[scifinoir2] Fwd: From SCIFI WIRE: New Line Signs Jackson To Deal

[Martin Pratt]

A freind of mine just passed this along.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?

[Martin Pratt]

Well, g, you get your wish. Problem is, it's arked over at Google Videos, where 
anyone with a mouse and a modem can revel in it. Myself, I'll pass. Imagine, 
God forbid, that you should die a sudden, horrid death. Would you want your 
family to have to deal with millions watching it, over and over?

g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Snuff film? That analogy seems 
way over the top and excessive.

We've all seen JFK's assassination in the Dallas motorcade. What's 
different about this? If it is aired, the world won't stop or 
explode. Life will go on.

I just want to see what happened, not be TOLD what happened. And 
then form my own opinion. I can see this being restricted to adults 
and not children.

George

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 Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?
 Although Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin once remarked in a TV
 interview that he hoped his death would be caught on camera, the
 Discovery Channel has said that it will not broadcast footage
 taken at the time he was fatally attacked by a stingray on the
 Great Barrier Reef Monday. 

 Journalism ethicists have applauded the decision. Martin Kaplan, a
 media analyst with the USC/Annenberg School for Communication,
 told the Associated Press that the footage is tantamount to a
 snuff film. Samuel Freedman, who teaches media ethics at Columbia,
 added similarly, It would be purely titillation and necrophilia
 if anyone were to show this. The footage is currently in the
 hands of the local coroner's office, which is investigating the
 death. Which raises the question, what if the tape shows that
 Irwin could have been warned about the attacking stingray? Or what
 if he was seen taunting it? What if it shows in some other way
 that the attack could have been prevented?

 On Wednesday, Australian survival expert Ray Mears commented, The
 voyeurism we are seeing on television has a cost and it's that
 cost Steve Irwin's family are paying today.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?

[Martin Pratt]

Well, g, you get your wish. Problem is, it's arked over at Google Videos, where 
anyone with a mouse and a modem can revel in it. Myself, I'll pass. Imagine, 
God forbid, that you should die a sudden, horrid death. Would you want your 
family to have to deal with millions watching it, over and over?

g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Snuff film? That analogy seems 
way over the top and excessive.

We've all seen JFK's assassination in the Dallas motorcade. What's 
different about this? If it is aired, the world won't stop or 
explode. Life will go on.

I just want to see what happened, not be TOLD what happened. And 
then form my own opinion. I can see this being restricted to adults 
and not children.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?
 Although Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin once remarked in a TV
 interview that he hoped his death would be caught on camera, the
 Discovery Channel has said that it will not broadcast footage
 taken at the time he was fatally attacked by a stingray on the
 Great Barrier Reef Monday. 

 Journalism ethicists have applauded the decision. Martin Kaplan, a
 media analyst with the USC/Annenberg School for Communication,
 told the Associated Press that the footage is tantamount to a
 snuff film. Samuel Freedman, who teaches media ethics at Columbia,
 added similarly, It would be purely titillation and necrophilia
 if anyone were to show this. The footage is currently in the
 hands of the local coroner's office, which is investigating the
 death. Which raises the question, what if the tape shows that
 Irwin could have been warned about the attacking stingray? Or what
 if he was seen taunting it? What if it shows in some other way
 that the attack could have been prevented?

 On Wednesday, Australian survival expert Ray Mears commented, The
 voyeurism we are seeing on television has a cost and it's that
 cost Steve Irwin's family are paying today.
 http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-09-07/



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Eureka premieres tonight on Sci Fi

[Martin Pratt]

The name you seek is Salli Richardson-Whitfield, and I saw her first. 

g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello! Since I no longer get 
the SciFi Channel (e.g., I get 
the antenna service version of cable since it is cheap -- $8 per 
month), a friend Tivoed the pilot of Eureka and I was able to watch 
it Sunday. I found it quite entertaining and enjoyable. The show 
seemed like oa mix of Northern Exposure, X-Files, and Picket Fences. 
I was only able to watch the pilot episode, so my comments are 
limited to it.

It was far more enjoyable than ANY episode of Enterprise and more 
appealing than the horror stuff the Sci-Fi channel tends to show. I 
wouldn't describe the residents of Eureka as superior beings. 
Rather, I'd describe them as high-IQ because they still do some 
stupid stuff, which causes lots of mayhem, humor, and confusion. And 
we all know that high-IQ folks aren't superior... they may be 
smarter, but definitely aren't superior. Especially if that high-IQ 
isn't balanced with social skills and such.

The DoD rep was stunningly beautiful. I hope that she's around on 
the show for a while. Does anyone know this actress' name? I'll 
probably watch Eureka like I watch Las Vegas... via NetFlix... when 
the DVD is released.

George
Captain
The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)

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 Great, I still have last week's Stargate premieres on tape, along 
with Avatar, and now another new show pops up. This one 
is Eureka, a Sci Fi original about a town of apparently superiour 
beings. It looks to be some good quirky fun, especially fitting for 
the summer. Long as it doesn't suck, I'll give it a try, if for no 
other reason than the fact that Salli Richardson-Whitfield is in the 
series, looking more fetching than ever! Whew!
 Oh, there's also going to be an extended trailer from season 3 
of Battlestar Galactica played sometime during Eureka's premiere.
 
 About the series:
 
 As World War II came to a close with mushroom clouds over 
Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the impact that science and technology would 
have on the continued security of our world became catastrophically 
apparent. America nearly lost the race to build the atomic bomb; it 
could not risk such a close call again.
 
 With the help of Albert Einstein and other trusted advisors, 
President Harry S. Truman commissioned a top-secret residential 
development in a remote area of the Pacific Northwest, one that 
would serve to protect and nurture America's most valuable 
intellectual resources. There our nation's greatest thinkers, the 
über-geniuses working on the next era of scientific achievement, 
would be able to live and work in a supportive environment. The best 
architects and planners were commissioned to design a welcoming 
place for these superlative geniuses to reside, an area that would 
offer the best education for their children, the best healthcare, 
the best amenities and quality of life. A community was created to 
rival the most idyllic of America's small towns — with one major 
difference: this town would never appear on any maps. At least, none 
that haven't been classified eyes only by the Pentagon.
 
 Thus, the town of Eureka was born. But for all its familiar, small-
town trappings, things in this secret hamlet are anything but 
ordinary. The stereotype of the absent-minded professor exists for a 
reason, and most of the quantum leaps in science and technology 
during the past 50 years were produced by Eureka's elite 
researchers. Unfortunately, scientific exploration is rarely what 
one expects, and years of experiments gone awry have yielded some 
peculiar by-products.
 
 From unrequited love to professional jealousy, from addiction to 
depression, the problems of Eureka's townsfolk stem from life's 
myriad of everyday challenges. But with the population's unique 
talents, troubled psyches and limitless resources, these small-town 
concerns have a way of becoming big-time problems. It is at that 
intersection, where human frailty and super-science collide, that 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Pirates' Rings Up $1 Billion

[Martin Pratt]

Considering the dreck that come down the pike before and since, I'd have to say 
that it's not as much It's a great movie! as It's better than the rest of 
this crap...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is the film that good? No one I know who saw it says it's better than 
the
first one, though all say it's entertaining.

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Subject: [scifinoir2] Pirates' Rings Up $1 Billion

Pirates' Rings Up $1 Billion
Disney's treasure chest for Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 
is expected to swell to more than $1 billion today (Thursday) as the 
film continues to dominate the overseas box office and manages to 
attract decent business domestically as well. Only two other films have 
preceded Pirates into the exclusive $1-billion club, Titanic, which 
accumulated $1.83 billion, and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the 
King, which grossed $1.13 billion. Pirates principally owes its 
box-office success to its drawing power in the U.K., where it has so far 
earned $94 million, and in Japan, where it has raked in $78 million. On 
Tuesday, its total overseas gross stood at $583 million and its domestic 
gross, at $414 million.
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RE: [scifinoir2] Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?

[Martin Pratt]

The concept is too sick for me to want to comprehend. I want to ask the person 
who thinks that this is such a good idea if they'd like the death of one of 
their loved ones available for public perusal.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  If it is televised I'd 
probably not watch it. I'm not much for watching
people die.

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Subject: [scifinoir2] Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?

Will Crocodile Hunter's Final Scene Be Televised?
Although Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin once remarked in a TV interview 
that he hoped his death would be caught on camera, the Discovery Channel 
has said that it will not broadcast footage taken at the time he was 
fatally attacked by a stingray on the Great Barrier Reef Monday. 
Journalism ethicists have applauded the decision. Martin Kaplan, a media 
analyst with the USC/Annenberg School for Communication, told the 
Associated Press that the footage is tantamount to a snuff film. Samuel 
Freedman, who teaches media ethics at Columbia, added similarly, It 
would be purely titillation and necrophilia if anyone were to show 
this. The footage is currently in the hands of the local coroner's 
office, which is investigating the death. Which raises the question, 
what if the tape shows that Irwin could have been warned about the 
attacking stingray? Or what if he was seen taunting it? What if it shows 
in some other way that the attack could have been prevented? On 
Wednesday, Australian survival expert Ray Mears commented, The 
voyeurism we are seeing on television has a cost and it's that cost 
Steve Irwin's family are paying today.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Covenant Lords Over Hollywoodland

[Martin Pratt]

And all the horses are sadly one foot away from the glue factory...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I actually want to see 
Hollywoodland, along with Black Dahlia, but what
a sad thing that dreck filled with kewpie-doll white folks like The
Covenant is the number one movie. Still, number one is a relative and not
too impressive thing this week. i still hate that most movie summaries
focus only on the box office dollars. It's like a damn horse race...

Covenant Lords Over Hollywoodland 

By Bridget ByrneSun Sep 10, 4:02 PM ET 

Summer's over. Football's started. School is back. And few people apparently
were interested in seeing Ben Affleck playing an actor who used to wear
tights for a living. 

That combination made for a very weak weekend at the box office, as the
silver screen tarnished in the post Labor Day doldrums, with nary a film
crossing the $10 million mark. 

Hollywoodland earned solid reviews, especially for Affleck as TV Superman
George Reeves, whose mysterious death is central to the film. Still the
Tinseltown tale only managed a second-place premiere with $6 million, per
studio estimates Sunday. 

The Covenant conjured up $9 million to claim the weekend win--the lowest
total for a number one movie in three years. 

The Protector, in which action star Tony Jaa saves the Southern Hemisphere
from a power hungry villainess, opened in fourth place with just $5 million.

None of the new films managed to live up to studio's pre-release (and
lowball) expectactions. 

The last time a new number one movie took in less than $10 million was
exactly this time three years ago, when David Spade's ostensible comedy
Dickie Roberts: Former Child Star opened with a teensy $6.7 million. 

The Top 10 movies combined only sold $49.1 million worth of tickets, a 31
percent drop from the Friday-Sunday gross of Labor Day weekend, and 26
percent down from this time last year, when The Exorcism of Emily Rose burst
in with $30 million. 

Despite its top-ranked status, the Sony/Screen Gems-distributed The Covenant
didn't even have the top per-theater average in the Top 10. Directed by
Renny Harlin and starring a bunch of young newcomers, the PG-13 film, which
wasn't screened for critics, only scared up a $3,357 average at 2,681 sites.

It was topped by Hollywoodland, an R-rated Focus release that averaged
$3,881 at 1,548 locations. Aside from Affleck, who was named Best Actor this
weekend at the Venice Film Festival, the noirish thriller also stars Diane
Lane as Reeves' lover, Bob Hoskins as her movie mogul husband and Adrien
Brody as a private eye hired to investigate Reeves' death, which had been
ruled a suicide. Allen Coulter directs. 

The Protector, a dubbed Asian import released by the Weinstein Company,
averaged $3,265 at 1,541 locations. 

Last week's top movie, Disney's pigskin tale Invincible lost considerable
yardage as real games began airing. The inspiration true story was down 52
percent, with $5.7 million in third place for a three-week total of $45.6
million. 

Meanwhile, last weekend's openers fell very sharply in their second week.
Crank dropped 54 percent, down from second to fifth with $4.8 million; the
Lionsgate release has now tallied just $19.8 million. The Wicker Man turned
to straw, dropping 57 percent and falling from third to eighth with $4.1
million; the Warner Bros. release has only grossed $17.4 million. 

Holding up best was The Illusionist, which only dropped 26 percent in its
fourth week. The PG-13 historical mystery, released by the Yari Film Group,
dropped only one slot from fifth to sixth and averaged $3,406 at 1,362
locations (391 more than last week) for $4.6 million. It has now grossed $18
million. 

The industry, or at least Disney, could take some delight over the hit of
the summer Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest hitting the $1 billion
mark worldwide. It's only the third film to achieve that mammoth gross--the
other's are The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King with $1.1 billion
and Titanic with $1.8 billion. 

Here's a rundown of the Top 10, based on preliminary figures compiled by
Exhibitor Relations (final numbers are due Monday): 

1. The Covenant, $9 million 
2. Hollywoodland, $6 million 
3. Invincible, $5.7 million 
4. The Protector, $5 million 
5. Crank, $4.8 million 
6. The Illusionist, $4.6 million 
7. Little Miss Sunshine, $4.4 million 
8. The Wicker Man, $4.1 million 
9. Talladega Nights, $3 million 
10. Barnyard, $2.5 million 

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Re: [scifinoir2] A testament for Trekkies

[Martin Pratt]

She swiped that one from the Futurama ep! All power to the engines!

brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-2351286,00.html

The Sunday Times September 10, 2006

A testament for Trekkies

Marc Horne

A PREACHER has decided to boldly go where no cleric has gone before by
writing the gospel according to Star Trek.

Alyson Leslie, an Episcopalian lay pastor from Newport-on-Tay in Fife,
hopes to spread the word of God by appealing to fans of the science
fiction series.

Her Star Trek gospel provides a list of religious and moral parables that
can be drawn from episodes of the programme, which celebrates its 40th
birthday this year.

Leslie has already published her Testament for Trekkies on the internet
and as a book in New Zealand. She is now in talks with British publishers.

The original Star Trek, which featured James T Kirk, Spock and the
cantankerous engineer Scotty, began in 1966. It gained a new lease of life
in the 1980s when Patrick Stewart, the English actor, took the helm as
Captain Jean Luc Picard.

It has since spawned the spin-off series Deep Space Nine, Voyager and
Enterprise.

“I am inviting people to journey through the galaxy to find the meaning of
life,” said Leslie, who is also a member of the Audit Commission and
General Medical Council.

“As captains Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and their crews explore the Star
Trek universe they encounter situations and species that challenge their
beliefs and ours.

“True exploration is always a journey towards greater understanding. I
want people to join the quest to better understand our universe, ourselves
and our place in time and space.”

Leslie intends to chronicle as many episodes as possible, adding lists of
“points to ponder” and spiritual questions.

“Contrary to popular misconception, Star Trek is not a silly programme
about fighting bug-eyed aliens,” she said.

“The characters in the series are often able to look beyond themselves and
beyond the ordinary on their journeys.”

The Star Trek Gospels have been backed by the Scottish Episcopal church.
“We do encourage innovative and modern means of communicating the message
of the gospels,” said a spokeswoman.

However, it is unlikely that the late Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek’s
creator, would have approved. “Religions vary in their degree of idiocy,
but I reject them all,” he said before his death. “I condemn the effort to
take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of free will and
a hell of a lot of money into the bargain.”



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Bush Transfers Detainees From CIA to DMV

[Martin Pratt]

Now that's plain old inhumane.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:20:34 -0400
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September 7, 2006
Bush Transfers Detainees From CIA to DMV

Will Wait on Line Until They Talk, President Says

President George W. Bush stunned the international human rights community today 
by announcing that he would transfer a dozen detainees being held in secret CIA 
prisons to the Department of Motor Vehicles in New York City.

While rumors have abounded that the United States was contemplating using the 
interminable waiting times at the DMV to force terror suspects to talk, Mr. 
Bush's Rose Garden announcement was the first public acknowledgement of the 
plan.

Effective tomorrow, these detainees will be forced to wait on long lines and 
fill out form after form for hours on end, Mr. Bush told reporters. If that 
does not make these evildoers talk, nothing will.

Explaining the President's plan, White House spokesman Tony Snow said that each 
terror suspect would be forced to apply for new drivers' licenses, vehicle 
registrations and license plates until they start singing like canaries.

But hours after the President's plan was announced, human rights groups around 
the world cried foul, claiming that detaining suspects at the DMV, especially 
the one in New York, was tantamount to torture.

It is in our opinion that being forced to spend more than one hour at the DMV 
could be in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions, said Carol Foyler of 
Amnesty International.

At the White House, Mr. Snow said that the President had other options for 
making detainees talk, including making them take turns as White House press 
spokesman.

No one lasts in this job for long without snapping, Mr. Snow said.

Elsewhere, photos in Vanity Fair reveal that Suri Cruise has her mother's eyes 
and her father's insatiable thirst for publicity. 

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The third season of Andy's live show kicks off on Monday, September 25 at Mo 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Superman Returns ... Again?

[Martin Pratt]

Sounds like we saw the same movie. One more case of making the villain more 
popular than the hero.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Lots of potential in the film, a noble effort by 
Singer to look at Kal-El's longing for a life, but it fails in execution. Way 
too much of Superman, too little of Clark, Luthor should have been all menacing 
without the jokes, and Lois Lane was really miscast. I can think of two or 
three awesome scenes that I'll never forget, but as for the rest of the movie? 
Alread forgot it. 

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Superman Returns ... Again?
Warner Bros. in Talks with Singer for 'Superman Returns' Sequel

(August 16 2006) - Despite poor box office performance, Warner Bros. is
reportedly trying to get Bryan Singer, who directed the film, to sign on
for a Superman Returns sequel, according to IGN Filmforce.

Domestically, Superman Returns brought in less than $200 million,
which makes it an underperformer by movie returns standards. However,
Variety has reported that the industry speculates this moving forward
for a sequel to be the result of the investment Warner Bros. has already
made on the Superman franchise.

“Negotiations between Singer and the studio would get delicate if
Warners wants to include over-budget penalties,” Variety reported. This
is something they may consider doing, since production and marketing
costs of Superman Returns may, reportedly, cause Warner Bros. and its
co-financing partner Legendary
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Re: [scifinoir2] Pirates' Rings Up $1 Billion

[Martin Pratt]

YA! Sure'n that's major swag!

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Pirates' Rings Up $1 Billion
Disney's treasure chest for Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 
is expected to swell to more than $1 billion today (Thursday) as the 
film continues to dominate the overseas box office and manages to 
attract decent business domestically as well. Only two other films have 
preceded Pirates into the exclusive $1-billion club, Titanic, which 
accumulated $1.83 billion, and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the 
King, which grossed $1.13 billion. Pirates principally owes its 
box-office success to its drawing power in the U.K., where it has so far 
earned $94 million, and in Japan, where it has raked in $78 million. On 
Tuesday, its total overseas gross stood at $583 million and its domestic 
gross, at $414 million.
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: The dark side of plastics.]

[Martin Pratt]

Just had another horrible thought. If you're reading this right now, you're 
staring at a few pounds of plastic.
   
  (runs away screaming)

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i'm not going to tell try to put together a list of all the plastic 
in our house. Kinda disturbing. 

Tracey

Martin Pratt wrote:
 So, Tracey, you tell me this after I've cracked open our plastic bowls and 
 two more cellophane wrappers in order to fix my dinner.

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 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:40:33 -0500
 From: Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The dark side of plastics.

 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nature/interviews/vomsaal.html

 Vom Saal is a Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Missouri.
 A leading researcher in the field of developmental biology, Vom Saal has
 studied the effects of both natural and synthetic hormones at extremely
 low doses. His studies have shown that extremely low doses of hormones
 can permanently alter development of the reproductive system in mice. He
 has also studied how manmade chemicals, including plastics, can mimic
 hormones at extremely low doses.

 DH: You've said that the doses at which hormones affect the body are
 extremely low. Give me an example to make me understand that.

 FvS: The issue of the amount of hormone that actually causes effects is
 very difficult for scientists to talk to people about because we're
 dealing with numbers that are outside of the frame of reference that
 anybody is going to be thinking about. We see changes, profound changes,
 in the course of development of essentially the whole body of
 experimental animals, and we're working with mice and rats, and we see
 these changes at fifty femtograms of the hormone per milliliter of
 blood. That's 0.05 trillionths of a gram of this hormone in a milliliter
 of blood.

 DH: And what sort of effect does it have?

 FvS: We see changes in the functioning of the prostate. We see
 dramatic change in the sprouting of glands within the fetal prostate. We
 see changes in testicular sperm production. We see changes in the
 structure of the endocrine control region in the brain, which is
 accompanied by changes in sex behavior, aggression, the way these
 animals behave towards infants, their whole social interaction, the way
 they age, the time that they enter puberty, the age at which they cease
 reproduction. It changes their entire life history, and these changes
 are capable of occurring at very low levels of hormones.
 I remember when we first did this and I was a post doctoral fellow, and
 my advisor and I looked at the hormone levels and said, My God, these
 levels are so staggeringly small and the consequences are so immense
 it's amazing. Even to biologists, it's amazing.

 But what you have is the entire field of toxicology thinking of a
 millionth of a gram of a hormone or a chemical as being this
 staggeringly tiny amount, and to most people if I said there's only a
 millionth of a gram of it here you'd say, How can it do anything? A
 millionth of a gram of estradiol in blood is toxic. The natural hormone
 is actually operating at something like a hundred million times lower
 than that. So when you have a physiologist thinking of a millionth of a
 gram, you have that physiologist thinking this is a toxic high dose.
 When you are raised in the field of toxicology you are looking at that
 from the other perspective of My gosh, that's such a tiny dose, it
 couldn't do anything.

 So now what we have are two different fields coming into this issue and
 looking at a dose as either staggeringly high or staggeringly low, and
 it's not surprising that there is a clash occurring with regard to dose
 effects.

 DH: Can you again describe the results, the developmental effects in
 your laboratory mice, that you are seeing with these unbelievably small
 changes in hormone levels?

 FvS: We published a paper just a few months ago in the Proceedings of
 the National Academy of Sciences in which we experimentally elevated
 estradiol levels in mouse fetuses during the period when their
 reproductive organs were forming. And what we did was we experimentally
 elevated estradiol by one tenth of one trillionth of a gram of estradiol
 in a milliliter of blood. We estimate that we're increasing estradiol by
 about one molecule of estradiol per cell in the body. Okay? The
 consequence of this is that at the end of the first day of development
 of the prostate in the male fetuses we could see dramatic change in the
 sprouting of prostate glands. We rendered the prostate abnormally
 enlarged, and this was detectable within twenty-four hours of the
 beginning of its embryonic development. And when we looked at these
 treated animals as adults, that difference had persisted. They had
 abnormally enlarged prostates that were

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: The dark side of plastics.]

[Martin Pratt]

So, Tracey, you tell me this after I've cracked open four plastic bowls and two 
more cellophane wrappers in order to fix my dinner.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
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Subject: The dark side of plastics.
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:40:33 -0500
From: Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The dark side of plastics.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nature/interviews/vomsaal.html

Vom Saal is a Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Missouri.
A leading researcher in the field of developmental biology, Vom Saal has
studied the effects of both natural and synthetic hormones at extremely
low doses. His studies have shown that extremely low doses of hormones
can permanently alter development of the reproductive system in mice. He
has also studied how manmade chemicals, including plastics, can mimic
hormones at extremely low doses.

DH: You've said that the doses at which hormones affect the body are
extremely low. Give me an example to make me understand that.

FvS: The issue of the amount of hormone that actually causes effects is
very difficult for scientists to talk to people about because we're
dealing with numbers that are outside of the frame of reference that
anybody is going to be thinking about. We see changes, profound changes,
in the course of development of essentially the whole body of
experimental animals, and we're working with mice and rats, and we see
these changes at fifty femtograms of the hormone per milliliter of
blood. That's 0.05 trillionths of a gram of this hormone in a milliliter
of blood.

DH: And what sort of effect does it have?

FvS: We see changes in the functioning of the prostate. We see
dramatic change in the sprouting of glands within the fetal prostate. We
see changes in testicular sperm production. We see changes in the
structure of the endocrine control region in the brain, which is
accompanied by changes in sex behavior, aggression, the way these
animals behave towards infants, their whole social interaction, the way
they age, the time that they enter puberty, the age at which they cease
reproduction. It changes their entire life history, and these changes
are capable of occurring at very low levels of hormones.
I remember when we first did this and I was a post doctoral fellow, and
my advisor and I looked at the hormone levels and said, My God, these
levels are so staggeringly small and the consequences are so immense
it's amazing. Even to biologists, it's amazing.

But what you have is the entire field of toxicology thinking of a
millionth of a gram of a hormone or a chemical as being this
staggeringly tiny amount, and to most people if I said there's only a
millionth of a gram of it here you'd say, How can it do anything? A
millionth of a gram of estradiol in blood is toxic. The natural hormone
is actually operating at something like a hundred million times lower
than that. So when you have a physiologist thinking of a millionth of a
gram, you have that physiologist thinking this is a toxic high dose.
When you are raised in the field of toxicology you are looking at that
from the other perspective of My gosh, that's such a tiny dose, it
couldn't do anything.

So now what we have are two different fields coming into this issue and
looking at a dose as either staggeringly high or staggeringly low, and
it's not surprising that there is a clash occurring with regard to dose
effects.

DH: Can you again describe the results, the developmental effects in
your laboratory mice, that you are seeing with these unbelievably small
changes in hormone levels?

FvS: We published a paper just a few months ago in the Proceedings of
the National Academy of Sciences in which we experimentally elevated
estradiol levels in mouse fetuses during the period when their
reproductive organs were forming. And what we did was we experimentally
elevated estradiol by one tenth of one trillionth of a gram of estradiol
in a milliliter of blood. We estimate that we're increasing estradiol by
about one molecule of estradiol per cell in the body. Okay? The
consequence of this is that at the end of the first day of development
of the prostate in the male fetuses we could see dramatic change in the
sprouting of prostate glands. We rendered the prostate abnormally
enlarged, and this was detectable within twenty-four hours of the
beginning of its embryonic development. And when we looked at these
treated animals as adults, that difference had persisted. They had
abnormally enlarged prostates that were hyper-responsive to hormones.

Now, prostate disease is for every male in this country and for every
male in the world a very, very serious concern. It's the largest bill to
the medical community. It's the most prevalent disease of aging in
humans. Seventy percent of men, by the time you're seventy years old,
will have an abnormally enlarged prostate. We caused this to happen at
the first day of embryonic life with 

Re: [scifinoir2] See Saw (great website)

[Martin Pratt]

I've seen Saw 2, but have yet to see Saw.
   
  Say that ten times fast. I dare you.
   
  Didn't like the second as much, though. But you all know me, Mister Let's 
Hit It And Quit.
ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.sawmovie.com/

(Saw, the brainchild of former Melbourne unknowns Leigh Whannell and
James Wan, was one of Hollywood's most profitable films last year
costing just $1.2 million to shoot in Los Angeles, but reaping $102.9
million at the worldwide box office).

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/star-seeks-damages-over-cut-from-saw/2005/08/20/1124435169586.html

I finally saw the movie Saw this weekend (yeah, I know, I stay on
the late show). I had avoided the movie because I purport not to be a
fan of the Grand Guignol cinema currently favored by both studios and
those who fill the seats at cinamaplexes (yet, I admit I enjoyed the
visceral thrills of the remade Texas Cahinsaw Massacre - especially
the oh shit! moment where the traumatized woman pulls the gun out of
her va-jay-jay and blows her brains out).

Anyhoo, Saw is a low budget gas! The most amazing thing about the
film is that it was shot in just 18 days and cost only $1.2 million
(the sequel was produced for $4 million and grossed $144 million. For
such a low budget movie, the production values are impressive. 

What I find informative about the movie is how Director James Wan used
all the inherent limitations of money and time to his advantage. The
basic set-up is two men chained apart in a room. One must kill the
other or his family will be killed. It doesn't get much more simple,
basic or primal than that. Rather than seeing time and budget
constraints as liabilities, Wan and Whannel used them as opportunities.

http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/saw/interview.asp

Also noteworthy is the casting. The biggest star in the movie is
Danny Glover and prominent in the cast are two Asian actors. There
are also many other minorities in supporting roles.

I consider this food for thought as I read about the new film
initiative being spear headed by BET founder Robert Johnson. 

http://losangeles.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2006/07/10/daily45.html

It is Johnson's plan to produce low-budget comedies. He and his
market might be better served by producing low-budget horror movies.

~rave!



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Nielsen Revises Racial Demographics

[Martin Pratt]

Nielsens...excuse me.
   
  (hawks up a big one)

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Nielsen Research on Thursday revised its estimates for the number of
Hispanic, African-American and Asian-American TV households. The ratings
giant said that while there was rapid growth of ethnic populations in
numerous smaller markets, there was little change in the top ten. For
the first time, Houston entered the top ten in Asian-American
households, overtaking Boston. New York had the largest number of
African-American TV homes -- 1,292,420. (Chicago, second on the list,
had fewer than half that number.) Los Angeles had the largest number of
Hispanic (1,741,860) and Asian (633,810) TV homes.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Hobbit Due In 2007?

[Martin Pratt]

I'm surprised it hasn't been up for consideration sooner...

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Fan Web site TheOneRing.net posted a rumor that The Hobbit, the proposed
prequel to Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy, is on New Line
Cinema's schedule for 2007.

According to an e-mail sent by an anonymous source, the title was
clearly listed on a schedule at New Line's offices in New York City. I
was in New Line's [New York] offices to discuss upcoming projects when I
clearly saw something very intriguing on a year planner, the source
told the site. The Hobbit was clearly marked on what looked like July,
2007. I couldn't exactly take a moment to investigate the calendar with
my audience in the room, but it definitely said The Hobbit.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=37775



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Outer Limits Co-Creator Dead

[Martin Pratt]

Outer Limits eps, too many to name in this space. As for TZ, without 
question, To Serve Man. 
   
  It's a COOKBOOK!

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I loved both versions of this and Twilight Zone. What were
your favorite episodes?
Tracey
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=37771

Outer Limits Co-Creator Dead

Joseph Stefano, co-creator of the SF anthology series The Outer Limits, 
has died at the age of 84, Variety reported. Stefano passed away Aug. 25 
at Los Robles Hospital and Medical Center in Thousand Oaks, Calif. The 
cause of death wasn't disclosed.

Stefano so-created the classic television series with screenwriter 
Leslie Stevens in 1963. It ran for three years and featured the 
memorable opening lines There is nothing wrong with your television 
set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling 
transmission. Stefano will also be remembered for adapting the 
screenplay for the classic 1960 Alfred Hitchcock thriller Psycho, based 
on the pulp novel by Robert Bloch.

Besides his wife, Stefano is survived by his son, Dominic. A private 
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: actual army document for the civilian labor camp program!?!?!

[Martin Pratt]

That's only if we leave the present Admoronistration in power, lady.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
hm. Another reason not to come back home

Martin Pratt wrote:
 I guess they're getting ready for those of us still protesting the war?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army
 provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 
 1997 and went under a rapid act revision in January 2005, provides 
 policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army 
 installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the 
 supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Harry Potter author has lost the plot

[Martin Pratt]

And now, we know why she's going to bring the series to a crashing halt.

brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006400493,00.html

EXCLUSIVE

JK has lost the plot

By JEROME STARKEY

JK ROWLING has been forced to correct a plot blunder in a Harry Potter
book - after fans spotted it.

The author credits Hermione Granger with 11 top exam results in the first
hardback edition of book six, Harry Potter And The Half-Blood Prince.

But in book five - Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix - we are told
she takes TEN examinations.

Publishers Bloomsbury have corrected the paperback edition to give
Hermione nine “outstanding” and one “exceeds expectations” in her Ordinary
Wizarding Levels.

In the uncorrected version, Harry gets seven OWLs with honours, Ron also
achieves seven, while Hermione gets ten “outstandings” and one “exceeds
expectations”.

One of the first fan websites to spot the error was www.mugglenet.com. It
is believed to be the first blunder in the Potter series, which has earned
JK, 41, more than £500million.

The author - mocked up above in a dunce’s cap - is completely involved in
the whole production process and checks final proofs.

She also worked closely to a plan for all the Potter books - including the
final chapter of the seventh and final one currently stored in an
Edinburgh bank vault.

Bloomsbury admitted last night: “We can confirm there was an error.” A
publishing source said: “With a series like this it is inevitable a
blunder like this would occur. It is just remarkable it didn’t happen
earlier. It was only a small error and easily reversible.”

Hermione actress Emma Watson, 17, is a real-life brainbox. She got eight
A*s grades and two As in her GCSEs.

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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: actual army document for the civilian labor camp program!?!?!

[Martin Pratt]

I guess they're getting ready for those of us still protesting the war?

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army
provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 
1997 and went under a rapid act revision in January 2005, provides 
policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army 
installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the 
supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

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Re: [scifinoir2] [Rumour] Original Star Trek Getting a CGI Makeover!

[Martin Pratt]

And the Greek chorus echoes plaintively, Why?

brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://trekmovie.com/2006/08/28/star-trek-tos-gets-redone-with-new-cgi/

Original Star Trek Getting a CGI Makeover!

August 28, 2006

Posted by Anthony Pascale in : Trek on TV, Rumor, Exclusive , trackback

Before JJ Abrams gets to bring the TOS era back to the big screen in Star
Trek XI, CBS Paramount has a secret plan to get it back on the small
screen, but with a makeover. Over a month ago it was announced that CBS
was selling a new broadcast TV (not cable) syndication package for the
original series. At the time it seemed a bit odd to try selling a 40 year
old show to local TV stations, especially after it has just been sold to
yet another cable outlet (this time TV Land…home of retro TV). The Trek
Movie Report has now learned from trusted insiders, that CBS Paramount are
actually offering an HDTV enhanced version of the Original Series with new
state-of-the art CGI visual effects.

The ‘new’ Star Trek

Details are still being finalized, but ccording to sources, the bulk of
shows will be as originally shot, with the new effects limited to the
space sequences and the opening credits. In addition, TrekMovie.com has
learned that some of the music is being redone (presumably for the opening
title sequence). There are conflicting reports on exactly how many
episodes are getting the ‘enhanced treatment’, but is possible that it is
not all 79 original episodes. This also does not seem to be linked to the
recent announcement for the Original Series to begin airing on TV Land in
November, they will be showing the classic series in it’s original form.
No word yet on if or when the enhanced series will be available on DVD,
BluRay, or HD-DVD, but it appears that the newly enhanced shows will first
appear in broadcast syndication this fall (so check local listings!). So
far the Trek Movie Report has not been able to get an official comment
from CBS Paramount, but TMR hears that an announcement from them will be
coming very soon.

Not totally new for Trek

Of course the most recent Trek show Star Trek: Enterprise was done
entirely with CGI effects. This included creating a CGI version of the
Starship Defiant from the TOS era for the ‘In a Mirror Darkly’ arc, as
well as a brief shot of Kirk’s Enterprise for the series finale. Paramount
also recently re-issued a ‘Director’s Ecition’ of Star Trek: The Motion
Picture with a number of redone and new CGI effects. And Trek is far from
alone, George Lucas it seems can’t stop himself from tinkering with his
classic Star Wars films, he has done it so often that this year he is
issuing DVDs of the films in their original form. Although TMR did not
learn who is doing the work, apparently it isn’t EdenFX (who did the
visual effects for Enterprise seen above and below). If the ‘new TOS’ is a
success, then perhaps we will see the same thing done with Star Trek: The
Next Generation which has a 20th Anniversary coming up soon.



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Pluto Demoted, But Not Rumsfeld, Scientists Baffled

[Martin Pratt]

Not surprising to me. He's got more liquid assets than the IAU.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
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Subject: Demotion Shocker
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:15:22 -0400
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August 27, 2006
Pluto Demoted, But Not Rumsfeld

Scientists Baffled By Defense Secretary's Staying Power

Scientists who gathered in Prague last week to strip Pluto of its planet 
status said today that they were baffled that Pluto had been demoted 
but that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld still clung to his 
position of power.

Dr. Hiroshi Kyosuke of the University of Tokyo was one of many 
scientists who favored the demotion of Pluto but thought that Secretary 
Rumsfeld should be stripped of his status as well.

It seems counterintuitive to me that we should say Pluto is no longer a 
planet, yet Donald Rumsfeld is still Secretary of Defense, Dr. Kyosuke 
said. After all, Pluto has done no harm.

Scientists studying Secretary Rumsfeld have for some time believed that 
he is not worthy of the Secretary of Defense designation and should be 
demoted to some lesser position, such as Postmaster General.

Still others believe that some new definition should be invented to 
characterize Mr. Rumsfeld, such as Dwarf Secretary of Defense.

At the very least, the language he speaks should be demoted from 
English to gibberish, Dr. Kyosuke said.

Other experts, however, such as the University of Minnesota's Davis 
Logsdon, said that while there is no rational explanation for why 
Secretary Rumsfeld has remained in power, his longevity must be 
classified as one of many cosmic mysteries that science has yet to 
understand.

The fact is, the more we learn about Donald Rumsfeld, the more we 
realize just how little we understand about him, Dr. Logsdon said.

Elsewhere, Sir Elton John announced plans to record a rap album, as was 
originally reported in the Book of Revelation.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Pluto Demoted, But Not Rumsfeld, Scientists Baffled

[Martin Pratt]

Not surprising to me. He's got more liquid assets than the IAU.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
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Subject: Demotion Shocker
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:15:22 -0400
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August 27, 2006
Pluto Demoted, But Not Rumsfeld

Scientists Baffled By Defense Secretary's Staying Power

Scientists who gathered in Prague last week to strip Pluto of its planet 
status said today that they were baffled that Pluto had been demoted 
but that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld still clung to his 
position of power.

Dr. Hiroshi Kyosuke of the University of Tokyo was one of many 
scientists who favored the demotion of Pluto but thought that Secretary 
Rumsfeld should be stripped of his status as well.

It seems counterintuitive to me that we should say Pluto is no longer a 
planet, yet Donald Rumsfeld is still Secretary of Defense, Dr. Kyosuke 
said. After all, Pluto has done no harm.

Scientists studying Secretary Rumsfeld have for some time believed that 
he is not worthy of the Secretary of Defense designation and should be 
demoted to some lesser position, such as Postmaster General.

Still others believe that some new definition should be invented to 
characterize Mr. Rumsfeld, such as Dwarf Secretary of Defense.

At the very least, the language he speaks should be demoted from 
English to gibberish, Dr. Kyosuke said.

Other experts, however, such as the University of Minnesota's Davis 
Logsdon, said that while there is no rational explanation for why 
Secretary Rumsfeld has remained in power, his longevity must be 
classified as one of many cosmic mysteries that science has yet to 
understand.

The fact is, the more we learn about Donald Rumsfeld, the more we 
realize just how little we understand about him, Dr. Logsdon said.

Elsewhere, Sir Elton John announced plans to record a rap album, as was 
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Laptop Slides Into Bed in Love Triangle]

[Martin Pratt]

Even though I'm gloriously, joyfully single, this is the better part of the 
reaason why I didn't get my Internet connection put into my bedroom. Though 
convenient it might be, it still feels like an intrusion on certain areas of 
life. I have married friends who refuse to have a television in their bedrooms, 
for the same reasons. If it's work, maybe it''s best done at a desk. I don't 
see how one could focus on work-related matters while in bed.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Original Message 
Subject: Laptop Slides Into Bed in Love Triangle
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:57:08 -0500
From: Cath K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: GIRLFRIEND [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

August 24, 2006

By KATIE HAFNER

LARRY SMITH knows he is treading a fine marital line. Mr. Smith, 37,
is the editor of Smith, an online magazine he founded, and he loves to
work in bed at all hours — midafternoon, 2 a.m. if insomnia strikes,
then again in the morning.

Sitting there in bed half awake with a cup of coffee is extremely
pleasant, he said.

Yet Mr. Smith is all too aware of his wife's mounting disapproval of
his routine and suspects that a laptop-in-bed ban could be imminent.

As electronic devices get smaller, people tote their technology around
the house more than ever. And as the number of home wireless networks
also grows, laptops — along with Treos, BlackBerries and other
messaging devices — are migrating into the bedroom and onto the bed.
The marital bed has survived his-and-her book lights and the
sushi-laden bed tray. Can it also survive computers that tether their
owners to the office or make the bed the workplace itself?

Piper Kerman, Mr. Smith's wife, tries to be understanding about her
husband's need to work constantly, but her tolerance has limits,
especially when she thinks about the significance of their bed, their
first joint purchase when they started out as a couple 10 years ago.

Not to get too squishy about it, but you kind of want the bed to be a
sacred space, she said. The bed is a restorative place in my mind.
It's not a place to work.

Relationship experts and those who study technology in people's lives
hold divergent views on the topic.

The most comfortable spot in the world is in bed, and that's where
people start their day and end their day, said Ken Anderson, an
anthropologist and a senior researcher at Intel Research in Beaverton,
Ore.

Mr. Anderson has been studying people's routines since 2002 in an
attempt to understand the role technology plays in their daily lives.
In a paper published with three colleagues, he found more technology
ending up in the bedroom. One woman Mr. Anderson kept track of for
months had trouble sleeping unless her husband was at her side. So he
joined her in bed with his laptop as he continued his work.

Mr. Anderson viewed this in a positive light, as the husband's effort
to be considerate of his wife's needs. The whole idea of being
co-present is very important these days, he said.

Dr. Enoch Choi, 36, and his wife, Tania, 33, who have been married 10
years, both take laptops to bed to write their blogs. I suppose I
started the trend,'' said Dr. Choi, a physician in Palo Alto, Calif.
But now my wife is just as much the nighty-night PowerBook
key-banger, blogging away for her friends.

Ms. Choi, a computer interface designer, said she used to be offended
by gadgets in the bedroom. I don't even have a TV in the room, she
said. But now, it's one of those weird modalities of intimacy I'm
just going to have to reconcile myself to.''

She added:Honestly, if both of us are in there with the computer it's
a good night. But if one of us wants to be left alone, we're in
different places with our technology. If we want to be connected, then
we both bring our technology into the bedroom.

This may be the face of the happy marriage, circa 2006, when according
to the Pew Internet  American Life Project, 30 percent of Americans
own laptops.

But as some marital experts point out, in relationships under strain a
laptop computer in bed can be used to avoid intimacy, not to foster
it.

There are many people who want a partner close, but not too close,
said David Schnarch, the director of the Marriage and Family Health
Center, in Evergreen, Colo., and the author of Passionate Marriage:
Keeping Love and Intimacy Alive in Committed Relationships (W. W.
Norton 1997). So snuggling up next to them with the computer is for
many of us the ideal situation for a feeling of contact but an
assurance there won't be eye-to-eye intimacy.

Dr. Schnarch continued: The problem is not computers. Two generations
ago people did it with the television. It's just the latest appliance
that galvanizes our attention.

A study by sociologists at Duke and the University of Arizona that
gained wide attention this summer found that too much computer use can
isolate one further from a shrinking circle of confidants.

Lynn Smith-Lovin, a 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Laptop Slides Into Bed in Love Triangle]

[Martin Pratt]

Even though I'm gloriously, joyfully single, this is the better part of the 
reaason why I didn't get my Internet connection put into my bedroom. Though 
convenient it might be, it still feels like an intrusion on certain areas of 
life. I have married friends who refuse to have a television in their bedrooms, 
for the same reasons. If it's work, maybe it''s best done at a desk. I don't 
see how one could focus on work-related matters while in bed.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  Original Message 
Subject: Laptop Slides Into Bed in Love Triangle
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:57:08 -0500
From: Cath K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: GIRLFRIEND [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

August 24, 2006

By KATIE HAFNER

LARRY SMITH knows he is treading a fine marital line. Mr. Smith, 37,
is the editor of Smith, an online magazine he founded, and he loves to
work in bed at all hours — midafternoon, 2 a.m. if insomnia strikes,
then again in the morning.

Sitting there in bed half awake with a cup of coffee is extremely
pleasant, he said.

Yet Mr. Smith is all too aware of his wife's mounting disapproval of
his routine and suspects that a laptop-in-bed ban could be imminent.

As electronic devices get smaller, people tote their technology around
the house more than ever. And as the number of home wireless networks
also grows, laptops — along with Treos, BlackBerries and other
messaging devices — are migrating into the bedroom and onto the bed.
The marital bed has survived his-and-her book lights and the
sushi-laden bed tray. Can it also survive computers that tether their
owners to the office or make the bed the workplace itself?

Piper Kerman, Mr. Smith's wife, tries to be understanding about her
husband's need to work constantly, but her tolerance has limits,
especially when she thinks about the significance of their bed, their
first joint purchase when they started out as a couple 10 years ago.

Not to get too squishy about it, but you kind of want the bed to be a
sacred space, she said. The bed is a restorative place in my mind.
It's not a place to work.

Relationship experts and those who study technology in people's lives
hold divergent views on the topic.

The most comfortable spot in the world is in bed, and that's where
people start their day and end their day, said Ken Anderson, an
anthropologist and a senior researcher at Intel Research in Beaverton,
Ore.

Mr. Anderson has been studying people's routines since 2002 in an
attempt to understand the role technology plays in their daily lives.
In a paper published with three colleagues, he found more technology
ending up in the bedroom. One woman Mr. Anderson kept track of for
months had trouble sleeping unless her husband was at her side. So he
joined her in bed with his laptop as he continued his work.

Mr. Anderson viewed this in a positive light, as the husband's effort
to be considerate of his wife's needs. The whole idea of being
co-present is very important these days, he said.

Dr. Enoch Choi, 36, and his wife, Tania, 33, who have been married 10
years, both take laptops to bed to write their blogs. I suppose I
started the trend,'' said Dr. Choi, a physician in Palo Alto, Calif.
But now my wife is just as much the nighty-night PowerBook
key-banger, blogging away for her friends.

Ms. Choi, a computer interface designer, said she used to be offended
by gadgets in the bedroom. I don't even have a TV in the room, she
said. But now, it's one of those weird modalities of intimacy I'm
just going to have to reconcile myself to.''

She added:Honestly, if both of us are in there with the computer it's
a good night. But if one of us wants to be left alone, we're in
different places with our technology. If we want to be connected, then
we both bring our technology into the bedroom.

This may be the face of the happy marriage, circa 2006, when according
to the Pew Internet  American Life Project, 30 percent of Americans
own laptops.

But as some marital experts point out, in relationships under strain a
laptop computer in bed can be used to avoid intimacy, not to foster
it.

There are many people who want a partner close, but not too close,
said David Schnarch, the director of the Marriage and Family Health
Center, in Evergreen, Colo., and the author of Passionate Marriage:
Keeping Love and Intimacy Alive in Committed Relationships (W. W.
Norton 1997). So snuggling up next to them with the computer is for
many of us the ideal situation for a feeling of contact but an
assurance there won't be eye-to-eye intimacy.

Dr. Schnarch continued: The problem is not computers. Two generations
ago people did it with the television. It's just the latest appliance
that galvanizes our attention.

A study by sociologists at Duke and the University of Arizona that
gained wide attention this summer found that too much computer use can
isolate one further from a shrinking circle of confidants.

Lynn Smith-Lovin, a 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: BIN LADEN HAS CRUSH ON WHITNEY HOUSTON]

[Martin Pratt]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've never been a Whitney fan, and now that 
this has crossed my brain pan, the two traumas will be inexorably linked in my 
mind forever.

Amy Harlib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually Kola Boof has a rather cool website and she is a darned good writer 
and poet and she's gorgeous!
Cheers!
Amy
http://www.kolaboof.com/feast.htm


Hey Stranger!

I Posted it because it sounded like Scifi. didn't it?

Tracey

L Freeman wrote:
 Honestly, I could have lived my entire life happily without knowing about 
 that

 Martin Pratt wrote: Now I can stop 
 reading period, because I've seen it all.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) 
 wrote: BIN LADEN HAS CRUSH ON WHITNEY 
 HOUSTON: Terrorist's former sex slave

 says he also wanted to get rid of Bobby Brown.
 (August 22, 2006)

 *President Bush may have just found the perfect bait to draw
 Osama Bin Laden out of hiding…that is, if the bait wasn't in hiding
 herself.

 A Sudanese poet who claims she was once a sex slave for Bin
 Laden states in her new book that the terrorist was completely
 obsessed with Whitney Houston, and once even contemplated killing her
 husband, Bobby Brown.

 He told me Whitney Houston was the most beautiful woman he'd
 ever seen, writes Kola Boof, 37, in her autobiography, Diary of a
 Lost Girl, which is excerpted in the September issue of Harper's
 magazine. He said that he had a paramount desire for her and although
 he claimed music was evil, he spoke of someday spending vast amounts
 of money to go to America and try to arrange a meeting.

 Boof said Bin Laden even thought of bringing the superstar to Sudan.

 He said he wanted to give [her] a mansion that he owned in a
 suburb of Khartoum. He explained to me that to possess Whitney, he
 would be willing to break his color rule and make her one of his
 wives, Boof writes in the book. [He would say] how beautiful she is,
 what a nice smile she has, how truly Islamic she is but is just
 brainwashed by American culture and by her husband - Bobby Brown, whom
 Osama talked about having killed, as if it were normal to have womens'
 husbands killed.

 In his briefcase, I would come across photographs of the Star
 [magazine], as well as copies of Playboy. It would soon come to the
 point where I was sick of hearing Whitney Houston's name, Boof
 writes.

 Despite his devotion to Houston, Bin Laden completely dismisses
 women of African descent, according to Boof. She quotes him as telling
 her, African women are only good for a man's lower pleasures. What
 need do you have for a womb?

 Stating further issues with her braided hair, she said he
 stated that only monkeys did that.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Event Data, Recorders in cars Required by 2008 [Fwd: Big Brother will be watching you for sure by 2008]

[Martin Pratt]

Uh, sir, I have an agent for a Mister- Orwell on Line Two. He wants to know 
where his client's residual check is.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Original Message 
Subject: Big Brother will be watching you for sure by 2008
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 8:21:31 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Who’s Watching? By ERIC PETERS

 Big Brother will be watching you for sure by 2008 --
 the year a proposed requirement that Event Data
 Recorders (EDRs) become mandatory standard equipment
 in all new cars and trucks will become law unless
 public outrage puts the kibosh on it somehow.
 
 EDRs are black boxes -- just like airplanes have.
 They can record a wide variety of things -- including
 how fast you drive and whether you buckle-up for
 safety. The National Highway Traffic Safety
 Administration (NHTSA) wants EDRs to be installed in
 every new vehicle beginning with model year 2008 -- on
 the theory that the information will help crash
 investigators more accurately determine the hows and
 whys of accidents.
 
 But EDRs could -- and likely will be -- used for other
 purposes as well.
 
 Tied into GPS navigation computers, EDRs could give
 interested parties -- your local cash-hungry sheriff,
 for example -- the ability to take automated ticketing
 to the next level. Since the data recorders can
 continuously monitor most of the operating parameters
 of a vehicle as it travels -- and the GPS unit can
 precisely locate the vehicle in real time, wherever
 it happens to be at any given moment -- any and all
 incidents of speeding could be immediately detected
 and a piece of paying paper issued to the offender
 faster than he could tap the brake. That's even if he
 knew he was in the crosshairs, which of course he
 wouldn't. Probably they'll just erect an electronic
 debiting system of some sort that ties directly into
 your checking account -- since the paperwork could not
 keep up with the massive uptick in fines that would be
 generated.
 If you think this is just a dark-minded paranoiac
 vision, think again. Rental car companies have already
 deployed a very similar system of onboard electronic
 monitoring to identify customers who dare to drive
 faster than the posted limit -- and automatically tap
 them with a surcharge for their scofflaw ways. While
 this inventive form of revenue enhancement was
 challenged and subsequently batted down by the courts,
 the technology continues to be honed -- and quietly
 put into service.
 
 Already, 15-20 percent of all the cars and trucks in
 service have EDRs; most of these are General Motors
 vehicles. GM has been installing black boxes in its
 new cars and trucks since about 1996 as part of the
 Supplemental Restraint (air bag) system. Within a few
 years, as many as 90 percent of all new motor vehicles
 will be equipped with EDRs, according to government
 estimates -- whether the requirement NHTSA is pushing
 actually becomes law or not.
 
 The automakers are just as eager to keep tabs on us as
 the government -- in part to keep the shyster lawyers
 who have been so successfully digging into their deep
 pockets at bay. EDRs would provide irrefutable
 evidence of high-speed driving, for example -- or make
 it impossible for a person injured in a crash to deny
 he wasn't wearing a seat belt.
 
 Insurance companies will launch safety campaigns
 urging that we use available technology to identify
 unsafe drivers -- and who will be able to argue
 against that? Everyone knows that speeding is against
 the law -- and if you aren't breaking the law, what
 have you got to worry about?
 
 It's all for our own good.
 
 But if you get edgy thinking about the government --
 and our friends in corporate America -- being able to
 monitor where we go and how we go whenever they feel
 like checking in on us, take the time to write a
 Thanks, but no thanks letter to NHTSA at
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Black hero has race changed in 911 movie]

[Martin Pratt]

Let's get together and mass-mail Spike Lee. He can pick it up, now that he's 
torn the Government to shreds with his Katrina doc. Speaking of which, who 
here's watching that? And what are the opinions?

drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  This woould be a good time to make 
a film on one of the black 
firefighters that lost his life...

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are now only 312 Black firefighters in the New York City Fire
 Department out of a total force of 11,350. They make up 2.7% of the
 fire department, in a city where 24.5% of the population is Black 
and
 nearly 50% is minority. The fire department is the city's least
 diverse municipal work force. Twelve Black firefighters gave their
 lives along with 332 other emergency personnel in the World Trade
 Center tragedy. 
 
 Anyway, here's the link you asked for:
 
 http://www.pww.org/index.php/article/view/490/1/50/
 
 The horrible events of 9/11 brought people together. But now there 
is
 an effort to destroy that unity. The statue planned to commemorate
 firefighters lost at the World Trade Center has generated much
 controversy and some thoughtful discussion.
 
 Should the monument depict a team, made up of an African American, a
 Latino, and a white firefighter raising the U.S. flag, as proposed 
by
 the artists? Or should it show three white firefighters, as in the
 news photograph of the World Trade Center flag-raising which 
suggested it?
 
 -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
 
  Are you trying to tell me that the NYC firefighters actually 
claimed
 that *none* of the hundreds of firefighters on the scenes were
 Black??? That can't be possible. What about all the cops, Port
 Authority, transportation cops pressed into service, medics, 
doctors,
 etc? Got any links to this particular bit of info?
  
  -- Original message -- 
  From: ravenadal ravenadal@ 
  I find this interesting in light of all the flack the city of NYC 
took
  from NY firefighters when the city proposed erecting a 911 
monument
  with one of the memorialized firefighters being black. The
  firefighters were adamant that since none of the 911 heros were 
black
  this would be the worse form of politcial correctness.
  
  ~(no)rave! 
  
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly
  Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
  
   
   
    Original Message 
   Subject: [AFAMHED] Black hero has race changed in 911 movie
   Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:16:34 -0400
   From: Boyce Watkins - Syracuse Finance bwatkins@
   Reply-To: Boyce Watkins - Syracuse Finance bwatkins@
   To: AFAMHED@
   
   
   
   
   
   
   'WTC' casting error draws flak from African-Americans
   
   Wednesday, August 16, 2006
   By L.A. Johnson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
   http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06228/713723-254.stm
   A hero of another color in Oliver Stone's World Trade Center 
has
 some 
   people again balking at the whitewashing of a black character 
in a 
   Hollywood film.
   
 
 http://www.post-gazette.com/popup.asp?img=http://www.post-
gazette.com/images4/20060815ap_wtchero_450.jpg
  
   
   Bebeto Matthews/The Associated Press
   *Jason Thomas of Columbus, Ohio, helped rescue Port Authority 
police 
   officers John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno on 9/11. In Oliver 
Stone's 
   movie, World Trade Center, a white actor was cast to portray
  Thomas. **
   Click photo for larger image.*
   
   This time it's the character of Marine Sgt. Thomas, one of two 
former 
   Marines who help rescue New York Port Authority Officers Will 
Jimeno
  and 
   John McLoughlin from beneath 20 feet of twisted metal, broken
 concrete 
   and sparking debris in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks.
   In the film, white actor William Mapother -- who's Tom Cruise's
 cousin 
   and who played Ethan Rom in the first season of Lost and 
Quecreek 
   miner John Flathead Phillippi in ABC's The Pennsylvania 
Miners' 
   Story -- plays Sgt. Thomas.
   Last week, the real Sgt. Thomas -- a black, former Marine named 
Jason 
   Thomas of Columbus, Ohio -- came forward and told his story.
   Someone needed help. It didn't matter who, Thomas told the
 Associated 
   Press. I didn't even have a plan. But I have all this training 
as a 
   Marine, and all I could think was, 'My city is in need.' 
   So, instead of heading to class at the John Jay College of 
Criminal 
   Justice at City University of New York that fateful morning, he
 headed 
   toward the devastation. At ground zero, he ran into another ex-
Marine 
   and Connecticut accountant, Staff Sgt. David Karnes, and the two
  decided 
   to search for survivors. Eventually they found Jimeno and 
McLoughlin.
   Karnes, who couldn't reach Manhattan's 911 from his cell phone 
at
  ground 
   zero, called his sister in Munhall, Joy Karnes. She helped 
relay 
   information to New York emergency services that helped them 
pinpoint
  the 
   trapped 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: BIN LADEN HAS CRUSH ON WHITNEY HOUSTON]

[Martin Pratt]

Now I can stop reading period, because I've seen it all.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
BIN LADEN HAS CRUSH ON WHITNEY HOUSTON: Terrorist's former sex slave

says he also wanted to get rid of Bobby Brown.
(August 22, 2006)

*President Bush may have just found the perfect bait to draw
Osama Bin Laden out of hiding…that is, if the bait wasn't in hiding
herself.

A Sudanese poet who claims she was once a sex slave for Bin
Laden states in her new book that the terrorist was completely
obsessed with Whitney Houston, and once even contemplated killing her
husband, Bobby Brown.

He told me Whitney Houston was the most beautiful woman he'd
ever seen, writes Kola Boof, 37, in her autobiography, Diary of a
Lost Girl, which is excerpted in the September issue of Harper's
magazine. He said that he had a paramount desire for her and although
he claimed music was evil, he spoke of someday spending vast amounts
of money to go to America and try to arrange a meeting.

Boof said Bin Laden even thought of bringing the superstar to Sudan.

He said he wanted to give [her] a mansion that he owned in a
suburb of Khartoum. He explained to me that to possess Whitney, he
would be willing to break his color rule and make her one of his
wives, Boof writes in the book. [He would say] how beautiful she is,
what a nice smile she has, how truly Islamic she is but is just
brainwashed by American culture and by her husband - Bobby Brown, whom
Osama talked about having killed, as if it were normal to have womens'
husbands killed.

In his briefcase, I would come across photographs of the Star
[magazine], as well as copies of Playboy. It would soon come to the
point where I was sick of hearing Whitney Houston's name, Boof
writes.

Despite his devotion to Houston, Bin Laden completely dismisses
women of African descent, according to Boof. She quotes him as telling
her, African women are only good for a man's lower pleasures. What
need do you have for a womb?

Stating further issues with her braided hair, she said he
stated that only monkeys did that.



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed

[Martin Pratt]

Once more, because I haven't said in many centuries, I do not buy for a second 
the concept of the Nielsens. I have a friend who, when we were in college 
together, had a Nielsen box, and never turned on his TV. One of the last times 
I bothered to watch Oprah, just to carbon-date myself, she had Richard Grieco 
on, just after Fox announced the cancellation of Booker. According to Fox's 
own statement, their analysis of the Nielsen ratings for the show suggested 
that fewer than 200 people were watching the show. At the time, Oprah had about 
four hundred screaming teeny-boppers in her audience, all of whom vocally 
declared that they watched it regularly. I refuse to believe any numbers that 
Nielsen puts out, because I know enough math to be able to topple any 
conclusion you hand me. I could've probably even put Pat Buchanan in the White 
House back in '00. SciFi, just have the stones to tell us the truth. You didn't 
want to shell out the money to keep the show running, because
 you want to give us more Mansquito and the E show. Don't jack us around.

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Ben Browder just can't catch a break.

All of this has raised a question for me. Who exactly HAS been 
watching SG-1 all these years? It looks like none of US have, and 
Sci-Fi was probably counting on our types to support the show. It 
just seems like science fiction either needs to get smarter or leave 
TV altogether. I wonder what would happen if Odyssey 5 ran this 
fall. Would anyone watch it? From what I saw of SG-1, it was very 
silly most of the time. If you've seen seasons 1-3, you've seen the 
show. But then again, I hated Voyager. And look at the sci-fi movies 
that are selling a lot of tickets. All dumb. But nobody's watching 
the dumb TV shows anymore. What exactly DO people wanna watch? Is it 
time for purist science fiction?

On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Martin Pratt wrote:

Sunny, apologies. The hotlink didn't come through on your post. I've 
got a friend in Canada who won't be happy over this at all.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because the last 
couple of seasons have been better than most that came before. I've 
never been a big fan of SG-1. There's dozens of shows I've never 
seen. I just use it as a decent scifi show to bide me over if there's 
nothing else on TV. One reason I never liked the show much was the 
numbing sameness of everything: all the planets look alike, with the 
same flora and fauna, every damn village is the same design, down to 
the mud thatch huts and rags-wearing peasants (who are usually white, 
unless they're evil G'ould soldiers). The storylines have been 
overwhelmingly forgetable, with the rare exceptions of arcs involving 
the G'ould or the Ancients. I was also sick to death of Richard Dean 
Anderson's dry wit schtick. It seemed like such an assembly line show 
I never understood how it lasted. But once several storylines were 
tackled--the G'ould defeated, T'ealc's people ! free, Daniel 
confronting the Ancients--it got a
little more interesting. Richard dean Anderson
leaving, being replaced by Ben Browder, was a good move. *Love* the 
addition of Claudia Black. The Ori storyline's a bit slow at times, 
but the show has felt regenerated. It's no longer as predictable. 
Couple that with the fact that the SG-1/Atlantis casts have moved 
from show to show a bit (thanks to the Daedalus starship and the 
increased gate capacity to reach the Pegasus galaxy) and i've been 
enjoying both shows.

Hmm...interesting. So just when I feel the shows are fresher, a 
little more creative and original, the fans seem to have gotten bored 
with them and back off? That's a scary line of thought, but could it 
be the unflinching predictability and safeness of SG-1 is what people 
liked, or has the show simply been on so long it's lost some of its 
audience? Whatever, i think cancelling it now is a bad idea. They 
should do one more full season to bring things to a conclusion, such 
as the Ori/Ancient struggle, the Trust, and will O'Neill and Samantha 
Carter *finally* hook up?!

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed

[Martin Pratt]

Sunny, where do you get the intel that SG-1's closing shop? Last year, the cast 
re-signed for three more seasons.

sunny7l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I've recorded the last 3 weeks of 
SG-1 because I finally wanted to 
start back getting into it. But then, I haven't actually watched in 
like 3 years. I love Atlantis though -- it's the same but different, 
with new people and a new focus. Though even it, at times, is 
boring. 

It's still sad to see SG-1 come to an end, but it certainly doesn't 
bother me to the extent that it did when Showtime cancelled the 
show. I do hope they give Atlantis at least a few more years.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's interesting because the last couple of seasons have been 
better than most that came before. I've never been a big fan of SG-1. 
There's dozens of shows I've never seen. I just use it as a decent 
scifi show to bide me over if there's nothing else on TV. One reason 
I never liked the show much was the numbing sameness of everything: 
all the planets look alike, with the same flora and fauna, every damn 
village is the same design, down to the mud thatch huts and rags-
wearing peasants (who are usually white, unless they're evil G'ould 
soldiers). The storylines have been overwhelmingly forgetable, with 
the rare exceptions of arcs involving the G'ould or the Ancients. I 
was also sick to death of Richard Dean Anderson's dry wit schtick. 
It seemed like such an assembly line show I never understood how it 
lasted. But once several storylines were tackled--the G'ould 
defeated, T'ealc's people free, Daniel confronting the Ancients--it 
got a little more interesting. Richard dean Anderson
 leaving, being replaced by Ben Browder, was a good move. *Love* 
the addition of Claudia Black. The Ori storyline's a bit slow at 
times, but the show has felt regenerated. It's no longer as 
predictable. Couple that with the fact that the SG-1/Atlantis casts 
have moved from show to show a bit (thanks to the Daedalus starship 
and the increased gate capacity to reach the Pegasus galaxy) and i've 
been enjoying both shows. 
 
 Hmm...interesting. So just when I feel the shows are fresher, a 
little more creative and original, the fans seem to have gotten bored 
with them and back off? That's a scary line of thought, but could it 
be the unflinching predictability and safeness of SG-1 is what people 
liked, or has the show simply been on so long it's lost some of its 
audience? Whatever, i think cancelling it now is a bad idea. They 
should do one more full season to bring things to a conclusion, such 
as the Ori/Ancient struggle, the Trust, and will O'Neill and Samantha 
Carter *finally* hook up?!
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Eric La Salle's new tv projects]

[Martin Pratt]

I'm all over that Four Horsemen project. Apocalypse Too Soon...

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ERIC LA SALLE BRINGS TWO PROJECTS TO TV: ER vet behind sitcom for
NBC and crime drama for CBS.
(August 21, 2006)

*Amidst the hollow absence of television dramas starring
African Americans in lead roles next season, former ER star Eric La
Salle is hoping to stem the tide with a new drama from his own
production banner, Humble Journey.

CBS has purchased La Salle's 25 to Life, a crime drama that
will also star the actor as FBI agent Gabriel Santana. The premise
follows federal agents who work with criminals to solve cases.

The show represents the first major development to come out of
La Salle's talent and production deal with CBS Paramount Network,
which was signed last year.

In addition, NBC has given a script commitment to The Four
Next Door, a Humble Journey comedy centered on the Four Horsemen of
the Apocalypse. War, Famine, Pestilence and Death – as referenced in
Revelations, Chapter 6 of the Bible – arrive on earth a decade too
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Eric La Salle's new tv projects]

[Martin Pratt]

I'm all over that Four Horsemen project. Apocalypse: Too Soon...

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ERIC LA SALLE BRINGS TWO PROJECTS TO TV: ER vet behind sitcom for
NBC and crime drama for CBS.
(August 21, 2006)

*Amidst the hollow absence of television dramas starring
African Americans in lead roles next season, former ER star Eric La
Salle is hoping to stem the tide with a new drama from his own
production banner, Humble Journey.

CBS has purchased La Salle's 25 to Life, a crime drama that
will also star the actor as FBI agent Gabriel Santana. The premise
follows federal agents who work with criminals to solve cases.

The show represents the first major development to come out of
La Salle's talent and production deal with CBS Paramount Network,
which was signed last year.

In addition, NBC has given a script commitment to The Four
Next Door, a Humble Journey comedy centered on the Four Horsemen of
the Apocalypse. War, Famine, Pestilence and Death – as referenced in
Revelations, Chapter 6 of the Bible – arrive on earth a decade too
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RE: [scifinoir2] andy Dick Goes Berserk at Shatner Roast

[Martin Pratt]

 I'll go with both. Just caught a brief glimpse of him on Bravo's Celebrity 
Poker Showdown. He barely lasted five hands before being forced out, and when 
they chatted with him in the Losers' Lounge, he was not all there, if you catch 
my drift.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Wow he did all that?? I know 
he smoked pot every now and then, but this
sounds like he was either on something else, or just nuts--or both

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 August, 2006 12:21
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Subject: [scifinoir2] andy Dick Goes Berserk at Shatner Roast

American comedian Andy Dick reportedly went berserk backstage at the 
Comedy Central Roast Of William Shatner on Sunday, licking screen siren 
Farrah Fawcett and biting a journalist. New York Post reporter Mandy 
Stadtmiller claims she watched Dick lick Fawcett, Carrie Fisher and 
comedian Patton Oswalt before turning his attentions to her. He 
allegedly groped her, tried to kiss her, proclaimed his love for her and 
then bit her hand, telling her, Baby please, put in something nice. 
They're so mean. I'm not weird. Maybe I'm a little weird, they make me 
out to be a monster, I'm not a monster. I just want to have fun, baby 
please. She also accuses him of urinating in front of her and offering 
her cocaine. The show will air on Sunday August 20.
http://www.imdb. http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2006-08-16/
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Re: [scifinoir2] Phillippe Lands Two-Face Role in Batman sequel

[Martin Pratt]

More bad-guy overkill in a superhero flick. Spidey 3's going to have Venom, 
Carnage and the Green Goblin. One-on-one, if for no other reason than to insure 
more sequels.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2006-08-16/
Phillippe Lands Two-Face Role?
Ryan Phillippe may be set to take over from Tommy Lee Jones after 
reportedly landing the role of Harvey Dent/Two-Face in the upcoming 
Batman Begins sequel. Reese Witherspoon's husband will join Heath 
Ledger, who has signed on to play The Joker, and new Batman Christian 
Bale in The Dark Knight. Crash star Phillippe beat Liev Shreiber and 
Josh Lucas to the role of the scheming district attorney, played by 
Jones in 1995 movie Batman Forever, according to internet reports. 
Academy Award winners Sir Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have also 
joined the cast, while fellow Oscar winner Philip Seymour Hoffman is in 
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Re: [scifinoir2] andy Dick Goes Berserk at Shatner Roast

[Martin Pratt]

Am I surprised at this? Not in the least, after seeing Dick in a few shows here 
and there. Man's always looked wired for action, and not through too much 
caffeine. Promises, here he comes.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
American comedian Andy Dick reportedly went berserk backstage at the 
Comedy Central Roast Of William Shatner on Sunday, licking screen siren 
Farrah Fawcett and biting a journalist. New York Post reporter Mandy 
Stadtmiller claims she watched Dick lick Fawcett, Carrie Fisher and 
comedian Patton Oswalt before turning his attentions to her. He 
allegedly groped her, tried to kiss her, proclaimed his love for her and 
then bit her hand, telling her, Baby please, put in something nice. 
They're so mean. I'm not weird. Maybe I'm a little weird, they make me 
out to be a monster, I'm not a monster. I just want to have fun, baby 
please. She also accuses him of urinating in front of her and offering 
her cocaine. The show will air on Sunday August 20.
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Re: [scifinoir2] The Wicker Man

[Martin Pratt]

Marian, I feel your pain.

being_marian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well, they've gone and remade 
my favorite pagan movie, the Wicker man. 
http://thewickermanmovie.warnerbros.com/wickerman.html

We just don't know when to leave a good movie alone. And in the
present religious environment, I don't expect the same ending. Thank
goodness, I have the original on dvd.

Further reading shows that the original movie stars and writers are
furious also.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr Who's companion

[Martin Pratt]

Shakespeare, in Henry IV, Part One, wrote the line, First, let's kill all 
the lawyers. For my money, change that to, First, let's kill all the fanboys.

B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Some of the fanboy backlash has 
begun as well. The thinly disguised 
racism in some of their reasons on why she's not a good fit as 
companion are so transparent it's actually funny. Sad but funny. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, being_marian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Dr Who seems to have acquired a Black companion.
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/
 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr Who's companion

[Martin Pratt]

I thought so, too, when I first heard the rumor. When they gave the role to 
Paul McGann, I had to look him up, because I'd never heard of him. Here in the 
States, they dug up almost every movie he'd ever been in and threw it on-air, 
trying to catch the wave. Still couldn't name a one of them if life and limb 
depended.

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Lenny Henry as the Doctor would be awesome. He's still relatively an 
unknown in the states and with the right writing it could really 
be a great show. I actually think that Lenny's age probably had more 
to do with him not getting the role than him being Black. They seem 
to be targeting a younger audience. It will be interesting watching 
this new season.

On Aug 13, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Martin Pratt wrote:

It's been considered. Lenny Henry, the Brit comedian, was one of the 
finalists to play the Doctor in the Fox movie that we all know and hate.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't say I dig the 
hair, but an interesting move. I don't suppose they'd
ever consider getting a Brother to play the Doctor's next incarnation???

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Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2006 19:49
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dr Who's companion

Dr Who seems to have acquired a Black companion.
http://www.bbc. http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/
co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/

http://www.bbc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/ 
2006/08/10/35549.shtml
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RE: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

[Martin Pratt]

Wasn't bad, which says something, as I'm normally a hater of all things remade. 
Didn't follow the original storyline (not that these things ever do), but it 
entertained me well enough, didn't leave me with a bad taste. Wouldn't buy it, 
though. It's not worth a second viewing, IMO.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Was that movie any good? As 
the fall and winter months approach, I always
start looking for things to do while I'm indoors: catch up on comic maxi
series (like Civil War), read good books, and see movies at home. I wonder
if I should add this one to the list?

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Pratt
Sent: Sunday, 13 August, 2006 13:28
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

I noticed it when I sat through the remake of Assault on Precinct 13.
Didn't know it was him until halfway through.

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: true dat! Didja peep how Ja Rule went from being a
scrawny looking man-boy a
couple years back to have a prison body? I saw him on the cover of a mag
last year and had to do a double take. And once Will Smith got bulked up for
Ali, he's held on to that swoll-up look. More power to 'em: I work out
quite a bit, but I can't squeeze in more than an hour or so each day. I take
yoga and Pilates at my gym, which are included with the monthly membership.
But I really want to get into more serious yoga and start into martial arts
to boot. But it costs money to do all that. It would be amazing to have a
lifestyle that permitted the kind of intense physical regime actors and
singers can get--along with all the nutritionists, personal trainers, and
martial arts instructors you could ever need! 

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Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2006 23:36
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

Come on, Keith, these folks are rich! They can definitely afford it if the
military can...

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: True, but like I said, if so, it's not a healthy regime
that one would
recommend for most people. You need some serious support and caretaking for
a weight loss like that, especially if coupled with such an incredible
increase in muscle tone. Those are two different aspects of physical
training, either one of which would task average people in so short a time.
But hey, when you have that kind of dough and your success is (largely)
based on your looks, of course it's possible!

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

It's possible, guys...saw too many fat bodies in boot camp turn into what
the girls call hunks and we called Marines in no time flat...

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Yeah,
lots of people--such as Tom Joyner--find it hard to believe she dropped 60
pounds *and* got that incredibly cut in such a short time. It's only been
maybe two months at most. Even if she did, it's not healthy at all. I know
that she's fallen out many times in the past due to exhaustion and poor
eating habits. And I know for a fact her workout regimes aren't the best.
They're the kind only someone with lots of money should attempt, as you need
dedicated nutritionists, cooks, personal trainers, hell--massage therapists!
A whole team of people to make sure you don't kill yourself. No matter what
anyone says, losing weight and getting fit is a slow process, and losing
about 2.5 pounds a week is a realistic and practical standard. Any more than
that--which is the Hollywood way--can be dangerous. 

One of the things that bothers me in modern society is the obssession with
being too slim and impossiby fit. Now Jackson looks good--and thank God she
has a Black butt that won't go away!--but so many actresses and entertainers
are working themselves out to look like emaciated skeletons. I hate the
message that sends to young girls. Sometimes I feel as if I'm the only guy
left who still thinks the voluptuous look of the old days is the best: for
non-Black women, that'd be Rita Hayworth, Racquel Welch, Sophia Loren,
Yvette Mimieux, Yvonne Craig (Batgirl, Green Orion Slave Girl in Star Trek
the OS). Nowadays you can bet that when I think a white actress has a shape,
someone will tell her she's fat, and you'll come back later to see she's
dropped twenty or so pounds. A few like Scarlett Johannsen resist

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr Who's companion

[Martin Pratt]

I'll second that.

being_marian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ha!
Which population in GB is greater? Eastern (Paki and Indian) or
Black? There are more British-Eastern stars than British-Black movie
stars aren't there? Do you want to nominate Chiwetel Ejiofor? He
presents a good profile.

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 Can't say I dig the hair, but an interesting move. I don't suppose
they'd
 ever consider getting a Brother to play the Doctor's next incarnation???
 
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 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of being_marian
 Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2006 19:49
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Dr Who's companion
 
 
 
 Dr Who seems to have acquired a Black companion.
 http://www.bbc. http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/
 co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/
 
 http://www.bbc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/08/10/35549.shtml
 co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/08/10/35549.shtml
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: say good bye to the thongs?

[Martin Pratt]

Pass the air-sickness bag, please.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well...to be honest, thinking 
about a guy in a thong makes me a bit queasy...

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking either sex. I've gotten 
one wedgie in my life, and it's given me a permanent fear of having anything up 
the crack of my a$$. Imagine walking around daily with dental floss up your 
butt...

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course you're talking about the male 
observers, right? Think about it before you answer...lol

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I can make a case for the 
existence of the thong being right out of science fiction. I mean, look at one! 
How can any lifeform put one on and function for any length of time without 
being in mind-numbing pain?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lessee, let's take a look at that heading...yep, I 
just checked and the group title says SciFiNoir--dedicated to all things 
science fiction. So why then has my breathing quickened, and I'm wiping the 
sweat from my forehead with a cold towel? :)

-- Original message -- 
From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Nope. I work in the Boston office (HQ) of an advertising agency ( 
www.digitas.com ) and the young 20- and 30-somethings females in the 
office (overwhelmingly Caucasian, single, blonde, and from 
Connecticut) wear just about anything. As a hetero and married male, 
it makes for interesting eye candy. Besides thongs, the latest trend 
is the see-thru blouses with netting that stop above the belly 
button. This bare midrift or de-clothed zone (DCZ) from above the 
belly button to the top of the low-rider jeans makes it quite easy 
to see thong straps when my coworkers walk around the floor or sit 
in a chair at a meeting. The tattoos are usually in the small of the 
back waist level.

George J.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I, for one will be glad when the low rider jean fad is over.
 Don't get me wrong, it is a good look, but only on a small
 minority of the population. That style with its accompanying
 thong can take a good looking, relatively in shape woman and
 make her look like a cow. Meanwhile, she prancing around like
 she looks good. I've had to avert my eye on numerous occasions
 to hide my amusement and sometimes discuss. 
 
 George, don't you work on a government office?
 
 Tracey
 
 g123curious wrote:
  This product wouldn't be necessary if women who shouldn't wear
 low-rider jeans didn't wear them. (smile) I see waay too many
 thong straps while at work. It's hard to take a person seriously
 when their thong strap and tatoos are hanging out there for the
 world to see.
 
  George
  Captain
  USS McNair
 
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
  Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
  
  OK guys, i swear this is scifi. i'm sorry, I had to send it. 
  
  Buttless 
  
  underwear!?!?!
 
  C V wrote:
  
  Did you all know there was such a thing as 'backless 
underwear'? 
  
  I
  
  swear...I'm getting old and have seen it all.
  AND they're having a sale now! where the heck have i been?
 
  http://www.backlesslingerie.com/?
cid=1134sid=4029pid=0mid=494
 
  Camille [perhaps its 1/2 off??] LOL

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RE: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

[Martin Pratt]

I noticed it when I sat through the remake of Assault on Precinct 13. Didn't 
know it was him until halfway through.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  true dat! Didja peep how Ja 
Rule went from being a scrawny looking man-boy a
couple years back to have a prison body? I saw him on the cover of a mag
last year and had to do a double take. And once Will Smith got bulked up for
Ali, he's held on to that swoll-up look. More power to 'em: I work out
quite a bit, but I can't squeeze in more than an hour or so each day. I take
yoga and Pilates at my gym, which are included with the monthly membership.
But I really want to get into more serious yoga and start into martial arts
to boot. But it costs money to do all that. It would be amazing to have a
lifestyle that permitted the kind of intense physical regime actors and
singers can get--along with all the nutritionists, personal trainers, and
martial arts instructors you could ever need! 

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2006 23:36
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

Come on, Keith, these folks are rich! They can definitely afford it if the
military can...

Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
comcast.net wrote: True, but like I said, if so, it's not a healthy regime
that one would
recommend for most people. You need some serious support and caretaking for
a weight loss like that, especially if coupled with such an incredible
increase in muscle tone. Those are two different aspects of physical
training, either one of which would task average people in so short a time.
But hey, when you have that kind of dough and your success is (largely)
based on your looks, of course it's possible!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com]
On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Friday, 11 August, 2006 02:37
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe]

It's possible, guys...saw too many fat bodies in boot camp turn into what
the girls call hunks and we called Marines in no time flat...

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Yeah,
lots of people--such as Tom Joyner--find it hard to believe she dropped 60
pounds *and* got that incredibly cut in such a short time. It's only been
maybe two months at most. Even if she did, it's not healthy at all. I know
that she's fallen out many times in the past due to exhaustion and poor
eating habits. And I know for a fact her workout regimes aren't the best.
They're the kind only someone with lots of money should attempt, as you need
dedicated nutritionists, cooks, personal trainers, hell--massage therapists!
A whole team of people to make sure you don't kill yourself. No matter what
anyone says, losing weight and getting fit is a slow process, and losing
about 2.5 pounds a week is a realistic and practical standard. Any more than
that--which is the Hollywood way--can be dangerous. 

One of the things that bothers me in modern society is the obssession with
being too slim and impossiby fit. Now Jackson looks good--and thank God she
has a Black butt that won't go away!--but so many actresses and entertainers
are working themselves out to look like emaciated skeletons. I hate the
message that sends to young girls. Sometimes I feel as if I'm the only guy
left who still thinks the voluptuous look of the old days is the best: for
non-Black women, that'd be Rita Hayworth, Racquel Welch, Sophia Loren,
Yvette Mimieux, Yvonne Craig (Batgirl, Green Orion Slave Girl in Star Trek
the OS). Nowadays you can bet that when I think a white actress has a shape,
someone will tell her she's fat, and you'll come back later to see she's
dropped twenty or so pounds. A few like Scarlett Johannsen resist it, and I
hear a backlash is growing among some actresses, but the unrealistic
expectations are crazy. In the main I think Black people still have a
healthier attitude.
Seriously, I
think the natural butts and big legs many Blacks have help our women not go
too far down that skinny-as-a-board road, but I'm seeing more young Sisters
buy into the hype.

They say everything comes back in style in time. I just wonder when the days
of the voluptuous curvy woman will return to mass media?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart 

science fiction at its best.

On Aug 7, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor) wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: Janet Jackson Poses Topless for Vibe
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:15:12 -0400
From: C V 
Reply-To: GIRLFRIEND 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GIRLFRIEND%40HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
EASE.LSOFT.COM

all i can say is for a person who just lost 60 lbs this year, she 

RE: [scifinoir2] Dr Who's companion

[Martin Pratt]

It's been considered. Lenny Henry, the Brit comedian, was one of the finalists 
to play the Doctor in the Fox movie that we all know and hate.

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Can't say I dig the hair, but 
an interesting move. I don't suppose they'd
ever consider getting a Brother to play the Doctor's next incarnation???

_ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of being_marian
Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2006 19:49
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Dr Who's companion

Dr Who seems to have acquired a Black companion.
http://www.bbc. http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/
co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/

http://www.bbc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/08/10/35549.shtml
co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/08/10/35549.shtml

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Re: [scifinoir2] Dr Who's companion

[Martin Pratt]

Doctor, I'm feeling ill...no, the 'other' Doctor, if you don't mind.
   
  And, guys, do not leave me hanging alone on this one.

being_marian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dr Who seems to have acquired a Black companion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctormartha/

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: say good bye to the thongs?

[Martin Pratt]

Just send me a draft!

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  JUst gave me an idea for an 
erotic story...Hush Martin! gotta make some change some how!

g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. I work in the Boston office (HQ) 
of an advertising agency ( 
www.digitas.com ) and the young 20- and 30-somethings females in the 
office (overwhelmingly Caucasian, single, blonde, and from 
Connecticut) wear just about anything. As a hetero and married male, 
it makes for interesting eye candy. Besides thongs, the latest trend 
is the see-thru blouses with netting that stop above the belly 
button. This bare midrift or de-clothed zone (DCZ) from above the 
belly button to the top of the low-rider jeans makes it quite easy 
to see thong straps when my coworkers walk around the floor or sit 
in a chair at a meeting. The tattoos are usually in the small of the 
back waist level.

George J.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I, for one will be glad when the low rider jean fad is over.
 Don't get me wrong, it is a good look, but only on a small
 minority of the population. That style with its accompanying
 thong can take a good looking, relatively in shape woman and
 make her look like a cow. Meanwhile, she prancing around like
 she looks good. I've had to avert my eye on numerous occasions
 to hide my amusement and sometimes discuss. 
 
 George, don't you work on a government office?
 
 Tracey
 
 g123curious wrote:
  This product wouldn't be necessary if women who shouldn't wear
 low-rider jeans didn't wear them. (smile) I see waay too many
 thong straps while at work. It's hard to take a person seriously
 when their thong strap and tatoos are hanging out there for the
 world to see.
 
  George
  Captain
  USS McNair
 
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
  Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
  
  OK guys, i swear this is scifi. i'm sorry, I had to send it. 
  
  Buttless 
  
  underwear!?!?!
 
  C V wrote:
  
  Did you all know there was such a thing as 'backless 
underwear'? 
  
  I
  
  swear...I'm getting old and have seen it all.
  AND they're having a sale now! where the heck have i been?
 
  http://www.backlesslingerie.com/?
cid=1134sid=4029pid=0mid=494
 
  Camille [perhaps its 1/2 off??] LOL

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: say good bye to the thongs?

[Martin Pratt]

I was thinking either sex. I've gotten one wedgie in my life, and it's given me 
a permanent fear of having anything up the crack of my a$$. Imagine walking 
around daily with dental floss up your butt...

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Of course you're talking about 
the male observers, right? Think about it before you answer...lol

Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I can make a case for the 
existence of the thong being right out of science fiction. I mean, look at one! 
How can any lifeform put one on and function for any length of time without 
being in mind-numbing pain?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lessee, let's take a look at that heading...yep, I 
just checked and the group title says SciFiNoir--dedicated to all things 
science fiction. So why then has my breathing quickened, and I'm wiping the 
sweat from my forehead with a cold towel? :)

-- Original message -- 
From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Nope. I work in the Boston office (HQ) of an advertising agency ( 
www.digitas.com ) and the young 20- and 30-somethings females in the 
office (overwhelmingly Caucasian, single, blonde, and from 
Connecticut) wear just about anything. As a hetero and married male, 
it makes for interesting eye candy. Besides thongs, the latest trend 
is the see-thru blouses with netting that stop above the belly 
button. This bare midrift or de-clothed zone (DCZ) from above the 
belly button to the top of the low-rider jeans makes it quite easy 
to see thong straps when my coworkers walk around the floor or sit 
in a chair at a meeting. The tattoos are usually in the small of the 
back waist level.

George J.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I, for one will be glad when the low rider jean fad is over.
 Don't get me wrong, it is a good look, but only on a small
 minority of the population. That style with its accompanying
 thong can take a good looking, relatively in shape woman and
 make her look like a cow. Meanwhile, she prancing around like
 she looks good. I've had to avert my eye on numerous occasions
 to hide my amusement and sometimes discuss. 
 
 George, don't you work on a government office?
 
 Tracey
 
 g123curious wrote:
  This product wouldn't be necessary if women who shouldn't wear
 low-rider jeans didn't wear them. (smile) I see waay too many
 thong straps while at work. It's hard to take a person seriously
 when their thong strap and tatoos are hanging out there for the
 world to see.
 
  George
  Captain
  USS McNair
 
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
  Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
  
  OK guys, i swear this is scifi. i'm sorry, I had to send it. 
  
  Buttless 
  
  underwear!?!?!
 
  C V wrote:
  
  Did you all know there was such a thing as 'backless 
underwear'? 
  
  I
  
  swear...I'm getting old and have seen it all.
  AND they're having a sale now! where the heck have i been?
 
  http://www.backlesslingerie.com/?
cid=1134sid=4029pid=0mid=494
 
  Camille [perhaps its 1/2 off??] LOL

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[scifinoir2] Fwd: From SCIFI WIRE: SCI FI Gets Who Season Two

[Martin Pratt]

FYI, a friend just passed me this. Well, that's obvious...

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: say good bye to the thongs?

[Martin Pratt]

Profuse apologies. And I'm the person who always calls people out for too much 
information. And I agree with your point entirely. It's gone past decorative 
wear and crawled into the fabric of the social conciousness.

Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Thanks for that visual. 
Thanks so much.

I think we're over intellectualizing the thong. Yes, I know I just 
started a debate about Bionic characters in a TV show, but I'm 
saying. I think the thong is more of decoration than an actual 
garment. I think people who are looking to wear/observe practical 
thongs are missing the point. It's not supposed to be ON that long, 
as I saw it, or it's just supposed to be covering for legal reasons.

On Aug 11, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Martin Pratt wrote:

I was thinking either sex. I've gotten one wedgie in my life, and 
it's given me a permanent fear of having anything up the crack of my a 
$$. Imagine walking around daily with dental floss up your butt...

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Re: [scifinoir2] Blair Tells Bush They Should See Other People - SATIRE

[Martin Pratt]

Oh, jeez, this is all we need! Now, Mister Bush'll be all moody and stuff, 
bombing the heck out of innocent civilians in breakup backlash.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Original Message 
Subject: Blair Relationship Shocker
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:11:32 -0400
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August 9, 2006
Blair Tells Bush They Should Start Seeing Other People - SATIRE

British Prime Minister Signals End to Exclusive Relationship

British Prime Minister Tony Blair stunned diplomatic circles today by
telling President George W. Bush that the time had come for the two men
to start seeing other people.

The announcement came as a shock to many observers of the international
scene because the British prime minister and the U.S. president had been
virtually inseparable since Mr. Bush took power in 2001.

But in telling the president that he wanted to see other people, Mr.
Blair seemed to be leaving little doubt that the exclusive relationship
between the two men was, for all intents and purposes, over.

I was absolutely blindsided by the news, said Russian President
Vladimir Putin. I saw them together at the G-8 summit, and they seemed
so happy -- I had no idea they were having problems.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard, however, seemed less surprised by
the news: Everyone knows how hard it is to keep a long-distance
relationship going.

It was, perhaps, at the G-8 summit that the cracks in the Blair-Bush
relationship first began to show, as the U.S. president was seen
massaging the shoulders of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Hours later, perhaps in retaliation, Mr. Blair was seen caressing the
inner thigh of French President Jacques Chirac.

At a joint appearance at the White House today, Mr. Bush made one last
appeal to Mr. Blair to see if the two men could work things out, but Mr.
Blair's response appeared to leave little hope: It's not you, Mr.
President -- it's me.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Blair Tells Bush They Should See Other People - SATIRE

[Martin Pratt]

Oh, jeez, this is all we need! Now, Mister Bush'll be all moody and stuff, 
bombing the heck out of innocent civilians in breakup backlash.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
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Subject: Blair Relationship Shocker
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:11:32 -0400
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August 9, 2006
Blair Tells Bush They Should Start Seeing Other People - SATIRE

British Prime Minister Signals End to Exclusive Relationship

British Prime Minister Tony Blair stunned diplomatic circles today by
telling President George W. Bush that the time had come for the two men
to start seeing other people.

The announcement came as a shock to many observers of the international
scene because the British prime minister and the U.S. president had been
virtually inseparable since Mr. Bush took power in 2001.

But in telling the president that he wanted to see other people, Mr.
Blair seemed to be leaving little doubt that the exclusive relationship
between the two men was, for all intents and purposes, over.

I was absolutely blindsided by the news, said Russian President
Vladimir Putin. I saw them together at the G-8 summit, and they seemed
so happy -- I had no idea they were having problems.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard, however, seemed less surprised by
the news: Everyone knows how hard it is to keep a long-distance
relationship going.

It was, perhaps, at the G-8 summit that the cracks in the Blair-Bush
relationship first began to show, as the U.S. president was seen
massaging the shoulders of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Hours later, perhaps in retaliation, Mr. Blair was seen caressing the
inner thigh of French President Jacques Chirac.

At a joint appearance at the White House today, Mr. Bush made one last
appeal to Mr. Blair to see if the two men could work things out, but Mr.
Blair's response appeared to leave little hope: It's not you, Mr.
President -- it's me.

Elsewhere, Lindsay Lohan announced that she would entertain troops in
Iraq, igniting calls for an immediate withdrawal.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: say good bye to the thongs?

[Martin Pratt]

Well, I can make a case for the existence of the thong being right out of 
science fiction. I mean, look at one! How can any lifeform put one on and 
function for any length of time without being in mind-numbing pain?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Lessee, let's take a look at that 
heading...yep, I just checked and the group title says SciFiNoir--dedicated 
to all things science fiction. So why then has my breathing quickened, and I'm 
wiping the sweat from my forehead with a cold towel? :)

-- Original message -- 
From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Nope. I work in the Boston office (HQ) of an advertising agency ( 
www.digitas.com ) and the young 20- and 30-somethings females in the 
office (overwhelmingly Caucasian, single, blonde, and from 
Connecticut) wear just about anything. As a hetero and married male, 
it makes for interesting eye candy. Besides thongs, the latest trend 
is the see-thru blouses with netting that stop above the belly 
button. This bare midrift or de-clothed zone (DCZ) from above the 
belly button to the top of the low-rider jeans makes it quite easy 
to see thong straps when my coworkers walk around the floor or sit 
in a chair at a meeting. The tattoos are usually in the small of the 
back waist level.

George J.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I, for one will be glad when the low rider jean fad is over.
 Don't get me wrong, it is a good look, but only on a small
 minority of the population. That style with its accompanying
 thong can take a good looking, relatively in shape woman and
 make her look like a cow. Meanwhile, she prancing around like
 she looks good. I've had to avert my eye on numerous occasions
 to hide my amusement and sometimes discuss. 
 
 George, don't you work on a government office?
 
 Tracey
 
 g123curious wrote:
  This product wouldn't be necessary if women who shouldn't wear
 low-rider jeans didn't wear them. (smile) I see waay too many
 thong straps while at work. It's hard to take a person seriously
 when their thong strap and tatoos are hanging out there for the
 world to see.
 
  George
  Captain
  USS McNair
 
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
  Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
  
  OK guys, i swear this is scifi. i'm sorry, I had to send it. 
  
  Buttless 
  
  underwear!?!?!
 
  C V wrote:
  
  Did you all know there was such a thing as 'backless 
underwear'? 
  
  I
  
  swear...I'm getting old and have seen it all.
  AND they're having a sale now! where the heck have i been?
 
  http://www.backlesslingerie.com/?
cid=1134sid=4029pid=0mid=494
 
  Camille [perhaps its 1/2 off??] LOL

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: say good bye to the thongs?

[Martin Pratt]

You'd think that such attire would be frowned upon in the workplace, especially 
in the era of sexual harassment.

g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  This product wouldn't be 
necessary if women who shouldn't wear low-
rider jeans didn't wear them. (smile) I see waay too many thong 
straps while at work. It's hard to take a person seriously when 
their thong strap and tatoos are hanging out there for the world to 
see.

George
Captain
USS McNair

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK guys, i swear this is scifi. i'm sorry, I had to send it. 
Buttless 
 underwear!?!?!
 
 C V wrote:
  Did you all know there was such a thing as 'backless underwear'? 
I
  swear...I'm getting old and have seen it all.
  AND they're having a sale now! where the heck have i been?
 
  http://www.backlesslingerie.com/?cid=1134sid=4029pid=0mid=494
 
  Camille [perhaps its 1/2 off??] LOL
 
 




 


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