[scifinoir2] Re: Black 7 Return
Oh wow--I still remember watching this series. And the ending! Forever Knight's end was almost a tribute to the end of the Blake's 7 series. How on earth are they going to restart this one? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blake's 7 poised for Sky comeback A new remake of sci-fi series Blake's 7 could soon return to television screens, Sky One has revealed.
[scifinoir2] Dr Who versus Sarah Jane
I've had 2 weeks of the Doctor Who and Sarah Jane. It's interesting in a way. Someone asked for a comparison of the old Doctor series and the new one a while back. Sarah Jane is very much like the old Doctor Who series. It's obviously for kids. They even have a kid version of Mickie from the 2005/2006 series of Doctor Who. (That's somewhat disturbing.) They don't spend a lot of time on scientific explanations. The rescues are very unbelievable. It's just a fun series. Sarah Jane has children as companions; in the old Dr Who series, he had childish companions. That used to drive me up the wall. To have all of these adult women behave like complete idiots. Rose and especially Martha were welcome changes in the new Doctor Who series. The age range for Doctor Who has moved up a little. Hence the sexual titillation that has been tossed in from time to time. There is more emotional drama in the show now. Some of the Dr Who lists complain about this bitterly. They want the innocent show of their childhood back. On the whole, I would say that it's a young teen show now. I notice on the BBC site that they are nervous about entangling Doctor Who and Torchwood story lines. I haven't seen Torchwood, but I keep reading complaints about how raunchy it is. Can anyone comment? On the whole, I prefer the new Doctor Who series. The Donna character bugs me in that we seem to returning to the era of clueless women. She moves into the Tardis with loads of suitcases and a hat box of all things. But, I'll wait and see. Oh, and it was amusing that now that series shows are allowed have memories of what came before--Everyone in London leaves town at Christmas because disasters happen then. Doctor Who has done a Xmas special to start the BBC season. So every London has been threatened every Xmas for the past 3 years. Nice touch. I could imagine the same for the people that occupy the world of 24 or CSI. Oh G-d, it September, what is going to happen to us now?
[scifinoir2] Re: BG question
ummm, curious. It sounds more like an alternative universe than a story that explores how our society might evolve. Thanks! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/25/2008 11:17:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can see our tolerance for other practices developing into worship; but in that case, shouldn't the multiple gods at the funeral service I saw tonight be Jesus, Krishna, several of the African/Voudoun deities? Who even knows how to worship Mithras anymore? Was this covered earlier? They are humans from the twelve colonies. They worhip _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#Human_poly theism_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#Human_polytheism) . Greek Gods. The Cylons worhip one God _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)#Cylon_mono theism/_
[scifinoir2] BG question
I'm curious. I've never been a Battlestar watcher. The guys at work are crazy about it, so I've been watching the new season. After watching tonight, I am wondering if earlier episodes explained how humanity ended up worshiping multiple gods again. Especially the same old gods like Mithras (which was clumsily interjected I think) and Diana and Jupiter/Zeus. I can see our tolerance for other practices developing into worship; but in that case, shouldn't the multiple gods at the funeral service I saw tonight be Jesus, Krishna, several of the African/Voudoun deities? Who even knows how to worship Mithras anymore? Was this covered earlier?
[scifinoir2] Re: Sleeper Cell Creators to be Eleventh Hour Showrunners
Showtime, guys. http://www.sho.com/site/sleepercell/home.do
Re: Dr Who in Space RE: [scifinoir2] David joins forces with Catherine for more
(belated) thanks for answering this. I was tired to checking the scifi web site. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marian, next Friday at 8:00, following The Sarah Jane Chronicles.
Re: Dr Who in Space RE: [scifinoir2] David joins forces with Catherine for more out-of-this-world adventures
I'm a fan that came in during the Tom Baker years. I think that the old episodes were actually more earth-centered because they didn't have the budget for much else. The current doctor takes his vatious companions more places these days. However, the primary arc of a season is usually earth-centered. Like many popular shows now, the season has a complete arc instead of being completed episodic. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I am correct and you are a long term fan, do you miss the space exploration?
Re: Dr Who in Space RE: [scifinoir2] David joins forces with Catherine for more out-of-this-world adventures
When is Dr. Who coming back to SciFi anyway? I am so sick of their idiotic shows. Am I going to have to subscribe to BBC america? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am correct and you are a long term fan, do you miss the space exploration?
[scifinoir2] Re: Networks clamor for foreign TV shows
They tried an Americanized Dr. Who. Or rather a pilot for a British/American sponsored Dr. Who. The pilot was rightly panned. It made Dr. Who too human. (On one of the Dr Who DVDs, they didn't even include that as one of the regenerations. That's how much they think of the show.) The Treatment is based on an Israeli drama. It is 30 minutes long and I think all of the episodes are on HBO.com Every night, you see a psychiatrist session with a different patient. 4 nights with his patients and Friday night as he meets with his own therapist. In watching the credits, I see that the Israeli director came over to HBO, and the stories are based on actual episodes so maybe that is why it translated better. And it's on HBO. No need to compromise because of network standards. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see in some cases where there are sexual or cultural things that Americans might find offensive. But even then, is that so often, and wouldn't simple editing or omission of some whole eps suffice? I too often find the original British product superiour. If nothing else, it's a different take, and i like that. For example, I'm sure an Americanized Dr Who could be done that's exciting and all that, but the British accents, attitudes, cultural references, etc. are much more interesting to me. What's The Treatment? -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] So that they can replace the lead actress with a blond, of course. Seriously, so many of the dramatic remakes are worse and don't last long. The comedies seem to make it, but I would imagine--as someone has mentioned--that the comedies do a major rewrite in order to match U.S. comedy styles. That said, I am absolutely hooked on The Treatment. And it comes on at such an odd time. Often, I have to stay up later and catch the rerun because it comes on in the middle of our prime time. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Gymfig@ wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2008 9:19:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, KeithBJohnson@ writes: What is it so that British and other foreign audiences will often watch original American shows, but American TV so often remakes foreign shows with American actors, rather than just buy and air the original product? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Networks clamor for foreign TV shows
Yes, that's the one. And I have been roundly corrected on the name. It's In Treatment. That's what I get for internet-ing at work. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is Gabriel Byrne in The Treatment? He was on Charlie Rose last night talking about a series he was in, but i was going in and out of sleep. I thought that was it -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] They tried an Americanized Dr. Who. Or rather a pilot for a British/American sponsored Dr. Who. The pilot was rightly panned. It made Dr. Who too human. (On one of the Dr Who DVDs, they didn't even include that as one of the regenerations. That's how much they think of the show.) The Treatment is based on an Israeli drama. It is 30 minutes long and I think all of the episodes are on HBO.com Every night, you see a psychiatrist session with a different patient. 4 nights with his patients and Friday night as he meets with his own therapist. In watching the credits, I see that the Israeli director came over to HBO, and the stories are based on actual episodes so maybe that is why it translated better. And it's on HBO. No need to compromise because of network standards. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I can see in some cases where there are sexual or cultural things that Americans might find offensive. But even then, is that so often, and wouldn't simple editing or omission of some whole eps suffice? I too often find the original British product superiour. If nothing else, it's a different take, and i like that. For example, I'm sure an Americanized Dr Who could be done that's exciting and all that, but the British accents, attitudes, cultural references, etc. are much more interesting to me. What's The Treatment? -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet md_moore42@ So that they can replace the lead actress with a blond, of course. Seriously, so many of the dramatic remakes are worse and don't last long. The comedies seem to make it, but I would imagine--as someone has mentioned--that the comedies do a major rewrite in order to match U.S. comedy styles. That said, I am absolutely hooked on The Treatment. And it comes on at such an odd time. Often, I have to stay up later and catch the rerun because it comes on in the middle of our prime time. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Gymfig@ wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2008 9:19:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, KeithBJohnson@ writes: What is it so that British and other foreign audiences will often watch original American shows, but American TV so often remakes foreign shows with American actors, rather than just buy and air the original product? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Networks clamor for foreign TV shows
So that they can replace the lead actress with a blond, of course. Seriously, so many of the dramatic remakes are worse and don't last long. The comedies seem to make it, but I would imagine--as someone has mentioned--that the comedies do a major rewrite in order to match U.S. comedy styles. That said, I am absolutely hooked on The Treatment. And it comes on at such an odd time. Often, I have to stay up later and catch the rerun because it comes on in the middle of our prime time. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2008 9:19:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is it so that British and other foreign audiences will often watch original American shows, but American TV so often remakes foreign shows with American actors, rather than just buy and air the original product?
[scifinoir2] Re: Getting stranded with the manly men of Lost
Tsk-tsk. I can see the bias. Sayid Jarrah is considerably cuter than Sawyer. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23451954/ Getting stranded with the manly men of `Lost' Jack or Locke? Sawyer or Sayid? Which one has the island advantage?
[scifinoir2] Re: Let's all become friends on Netflix
It's amazing how similar all of our tastes are. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earlier today, Bosco put us onto Netflix friends. You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link: http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign
Yes, that's why I inserted the caveat that a leader should be able to convince me that he is acting correctly. I can see both viewpoints. There's evidence that George Wallace acted more racist to reflect the beliefs of those who voted for him. Therefore, a person who represents his voters isn't always a good thing. But I am not going to vote for someone who can't listen to me either. I've had enough of writing my representatives and getting no answer or a one-line note saying thank you for your letter. They can't defend their actions at all, not even in written form. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve think. Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, harmful to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they don't know it themselves. Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal and influential minority) of the population wanted something that wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: when whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans wanted their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say If only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of what was popular. After 9-11, this country wanted blood--anyone's blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and his gang poin ted us in that direction, then said This is what they want. And all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid to buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make decisions based on more information and considered thought than I have. If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger picture in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is proof of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous foreign policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is and then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to get us to go in cert ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that leader will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. A balancing act. But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing instead of the right thing? A -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a public official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that my officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to the religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative of Mass. voters at that time? Now he is claiming that he could be a true representative of conservative voters. Isn't that his job? I am still recalling listening to a This American Life episode in which a guy who was pro-choice supported Bush because he didn't flip-flop on issues. He admitted that he didn't like any of Bush's stances on issuses, but he voted for him because he didn't flip-flop. Why
[scifinoir2] Re: Will Moonlight Again See the Light of Day?
I always thought that they did the vampire/mystery better than the one that was based directly on Tanya Huff's vampire/mystery. I like the show, but the way they write the character of the actress lead gets on my nerves at times. Lordy, I am so tired of the archetype of a blond spunky all-american-girl. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know most of you are not into this show. I was not much into it either at the beginning. However, I'm not sure if it was bringing in former Buffy and Eureka helmer, David Greenwalt or something else, but this show is really getting good. While it may have seemed like CBS's doppleganger for Anger at first, It has evolved with its own imaginative mythology. I started off watching as background noise. But by the last new episode I was totally hooked on the mythology, the mysteries, the surprises and overlapping stories. My worry now is that like with Eureka, the the lack of Greenwalt will signal the end of what makes this show a sleep hit. Anyone else into Moonlight? Will Moonlight Again See the Light of Day? When will the cult hit vampire series return to the air? by IGN Staff http://tv.ign.com/articles/850/850272p1.html February 6, 2008 - Moonlight is one of the few new shows of the season that has become something of a break-out hit. Perhaps more importantly, it has developed a dedicated online fan-base. After the fall-and-rise of Jericho, such a fan base can prove essential to the continued survival of a series. Moonlight also won the People's Choice award for Favorite New TV Drama. It clearly had the all important momentum and ratings â and then the writers strike happened, shutting down production. This frustrated fans as well as the cast, as we learned in our interviews with both Jason Dohring and Sophia Myles. It seemed likely that, if given the chance, Moonlight would have been given another 9 episodes to complete their series order. - CBS Mick St. John is jumping back into action...will CBS give him a place to land? Of course, that's not how things worked out and showrunners and networks find themselves making things up as they go. An important vote of confidence for Moonlight was given when CBS head Les Moonves said he thought it likely that the show would get a second season. Meanwhile, TV Guide (in the form of Michael Ausiello) speculates: I spoke to a Moonlight insider late last week and he/she told me that before the strike, CBS informed producers that they had every intention of picking up the show's back nine. But since the strike started, they haven't heard a peep about whether they'll be going back into production. My guess? Moonlight will be renewed for a 13-episode second season. Given that the writers strike may end sooner than later, one way or another Moonlight fans should be seeing their favorite vampire return to their television screens.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign
I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a public official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that my officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to the religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative of Mass. voters at that time? Now he is claiming that he could be a true representative of conservative voters. Isn't that his job? I am still recalling listening to a This American Life episode in which a guy who was pro-choice supported Bush because he didn't flip-flop on issues. He admitted that he didn't like any of Bush's stances on issuses, but he voted for him because he didn't flip-flop. Why on earth should I vote for someone who won't vote my way? He's my representative, not a representative of his own convictions. If he can change my mind because he believes me wrong, that's one thing. But he shouldn't be voting his convictions whilly-nilly. Ok, I will get off my soapbox now. :-) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like i said, an opportunistic flip-flopper. He was pro-choice, pro immigration (in terms of working something out instead of sounding like a Klansman), not averse to taxes as needed (which he calls fees, but same difference). I heard a speech he gave just a few years back where he explicitly said he didn't want to try and recreate the Reagan days. Now he's a rabid ultr-conservative nut who evokes Reagan more than some of us call on God! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign
Point taken. If he is going to change his position to fit a conservative base, it shouldn't need to be adjusted every day. And he certainly needs to be honest enough to admit that is what he is doing. However, I can't say that the same problem doesn't exist on the Democratic site. Hillary has adjusted her stance to be more middle-america since her announcement to run for president. I don't know if anyone has caught Obama in an adjustment, but I can't say that I like his need to say that he would love to hunt down terrorists in-country without local permission (http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/obama_vows_to_hunt_down_terror.ph\ p). It sounds like he is trying to prove how tough he is despite being against the Iraq war.Entering Pakistan without local permission would be an act of war. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not off, but he changes his positions every days depending on who he talks to and if he is shown video footage as proof of what he said, he will still deny he said that. Even if it was only 24 hours ago. One might argue that since he changes so much so fast that he does not belief what he says and might not do what he promised. Some republicans feel that bush misrepresented himself, so they might be a little leary of someone who changes because it is advantageous to do so. maidmarian_thepoet wrote: I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a public official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that my officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to the religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative of Mass. voters at that time? Now he is claiming that he could be a true representative of conservative voters. Isn't that his job? I am still recalling listening to a This American Life episode in which a guy who was pro-choice supported Bush because he didn't flip-flop on issues. He admitted that he didn't like any of Bush's stances on issuses, but he voted for him because he didn't flip-flop. Why on earth should I vote for someone who won't vote my way? He's my representative, not a representative of his own convictions. If he can change my mind because he believes me wrong, that's one thing. But he shouldn't be voting his convictions whilly-nilly. Ok, I will get off my soapbox now. :-) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Like i said, an opportunistic flip-flopper. He was pro-choice, pro immigration (in terms of working something out instead of sounding like a Klansman), not averse to taxes as needed (which he calls fees, but same difference). I heard a speech he gave just a few years back where he explicitly said he didn't want to try and recreate the Reagan days. Now he's a rabid ultr-conservative nut who evokes Reagan more than some of us call on God! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: African American Lives 2 on PBS
You can do a lot yourself by hitting the local library. They probably have the census records back to 1870. Land records are also stored there. I took a non-credit class at my local university and you might find that your library or university has the same. My teacher was a professional genealogist, so that is always a possibility, but Gates did not got far past the slavery. You can get that far by going to the library or talking to your elders. My brother-in-law had his dna analysis done for a general work-up of his African and European background. (Although, it turns out that there was Asian in there also.) DNA analysis http://www.ancestrybydna.com/welcome/home/index.php Select Order Now shown on the left hand side of the website and it will direct you how to fill in the request. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to know how I can get this done for myself and my family I would love to know the full history and back story. I'm a firm believer in knowing your past to have a brighter future. I thought the Tom Joyner story was really deep and I hope he was able to clear his uncles names. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: [Fwd: Microsoft offers $44.6B for Yahoo]
This is deja vu time for me. I opened a yahoo account when Microsoft bought Hotmail. The website deteriorated so badly that I bailed for a year or so from Hotmail. They added more servers and improved service eventually, but it was painful for a year. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, this would be akin to one clown college buying another out. (Martin hates clowns...) If it goes through, I guarantee you one thing. Inside of a year, we'll log in to this group, and find the MSN homepage staring at us. Not a bad thing, mind you. Not a good one, either. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Lost Did you watch?
I became a LOST fan after watching the first year on DVD. I enjoy the show; it sidesteps the obvious many times. It's difficult for network TV to surprise me. I watched this episode and enjoyed it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a Lost fan. Actually I hate the show. I watched the first episode of the new season and it was okay. What did you think? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles
Glad that you identified the actress as Summer Glau. I kept thinking that I knew her. And, of course I do--from Serenity. Glad that she stayed in the business. Wasn't she a dancer before? The show was ok. I was in and out of the room. Even with that, I kept up with the story. I prefer dramas that confuse me if I didn't sit down and watch. But it was an ok show to skim while I waited for The Wire. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think? It didn't really give me enough to love or hate it. I like all the characters. Summer Glau, who looks so young, makes a good contrast as the killing machine.
[scifinoir2] Re: Oscar Special Effect - Who should win?
I can't help but notice that there is only one original movie on the list. And it's the start of a series itself. -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw this on Scifi Channel web site. Which of the following Oscar contenders do you think should win for Best Special Effects? Fantastic Four 2 The Golden Compass Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix Pirate 3 Spidey 3 Tranformers
[scifinoir2] Remakes/What original works do you want to see?
I can accept that novels rarely become movies. Good novels are just too dense for a movie. I'd settle for a few movies made from novellas and short stories. :-) They are different media and actually the movie can use visuals to telegraph what a writer might take pages to say. I would imagine that comic books have jump on many stories because they are already storyboarded for the director. Nevertheless, I am getting a bit tired of comic book heroes. What novels are short stories would you want to see? What would translate well? I'm trying to think. Some of my favorite Leguin novels would sound preachy on the screen. The screen requires does require some amount of action. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marian: You have pointed out something to me twice. That in speculative fiction, original scripts are becoming an endangered species. Also at risk seem to be movies made from novels and short stories. The trend seems to be remakes, comics and franchise reboots. coming up in 2008 the only major original movie that comes to mind is cloverfield maidmarian_thepoet wrote: I can't help but notice that there is only one original movie on the list. And it's the start of a series itself. -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Saw this on Scifi Channel web site. Which of the following Oscar contenders do you think should win for Best Special Effects? Fantastic Four 2 The Golden Compass Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix Pirate 3 Spidey 3 Tranformers Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I guess that I am all over the place: The Butterfly Effect: Director's Cut - liked it. It has its problems, but the writers put some thought into the movie. The Orchestra of Piazza Vittorio Sweet. Is honest about the problems of community involvement in a democracy. MI-5, vol 2 I am enjoying this BBC tv series. I don't think that this would work here. (In fact, didn't a network try to make a series about the CIA?) MI-5 is still a good-guy in the BBC. No way that I could see the CIA as purely a good-guy. A USA series would have to be more like The Shield--which I never watched either. Sweeney Todd I've already raved about this. I am Legend Already talked about. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds?
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
Yeah, that was it. I never watched it. Thanks. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marian, that was CBS, doing The Agency. maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that I am all over the place: The Butterfly Effect: Director's Cut - liked it. It has its problems, but the writers put some thought into the movie. The Orchestra of Piazza Vittorio Sweet. Is honest about the problems of community involvement in a democracy. MI-5, vol 2 I am enjoying this BBC tv series. I don't think that this would work here. (In fact, didn't a network try to make a series about the CIA?) MI-5 is still a good-guy in the BBC. No way that I could see the CIA as purely a good-guy. A USA series would have to be more like The Shield--which I never watched either. Sweeney Todd I've already raved about this. I am Legend Already talked about. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I've been renting from Netflix. When I go to the BBC web site, it looks as if it finished Dec 2007. I'm only up to its 2nd year. They list 6 series out there. http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/spooks/episodeguide.shtml --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm a big fan of MI-5, used to rave about it all the time. Haven't seen it on TV since last year, when it was aired on AE channel. There are no new shows are there? -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess that I am all over the place: The Butterfly Effect: Director's Cut - liked it. It has its problems, but the writers put some thought into the movie. The Orchestra of Piazza Vittorio Sweet. Is honest about the problems of community involvement in a democracy. MI-5, vol 2 I am enjoying this BBC tv series. I don't think that this would work here. (In fact, didn't a network try to make a series about the CIA?) MI-5 is still a good-guy in the BBC. No way that I could see the CIA as purely a good-guy. A USA series would have to be more like The Shield--which I never watched either. Sweeney Todd I've already raved about this. I am Legend Already talked about. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Happy New Year
Thanks, may it be so for us all. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my absolute favorite online community of all time. It is also now the only one I actively contribute to. Thank you all for a fun and interesting year. May you all have a safe and prosperous 2008. Daryle
[scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008/PKD
I went to the family site and discovered that there is one son also. So let me correct myself before someone else does. (smile) http://www.philipkdick.com/aa_intro.html While Total Recall was a fun movie, it had little to do with the original story. Over on the website, they list Imposter and Screamers There is Next and Paycheck. Most of these are forgettable, although I recall disliking Paycheck. Actually, I think A Scanner Darkly was the best adaptation. It's probably difficult to adapt his stories. Minority Report did a great job in updating the technology and the technology in Dick's stories IS dated. But then, they screwed with underlying theme of the story. Mainstream movies just insist on a happy ending. Speaking of which, I watched the director's cut of The Butterfly Effect this weekend. I can see why they didn't get away with that ending. I am glad that they pulled some integrity with the released ending. There were two other sappy endings (their words) that they also rejected but show on the DVD. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: similar to the tolkien family, eh? That's actually good to hear. what choices have they made that you didn't think were good?
[scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008
Alas yes, even from someone I was sitting with. (smile) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think fans want literate work anymoreat least not the target they are after. Have you ever heard comments, like the story is too hard to follow or too complicated, or there was too much talking, not enough action?
[scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008
I think that PKD's kids keep a tight rein on who makes movies of their father's work. Not that they always make great choices. However, Bladerunner was one that he was alive to see the rushes from and he approved of the movie. I can't see a remake made unless his daughters really see a better script. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. especially when the remake is inferiour (Planet of the Apes). I just had a nightmare thought: what if someone tries to remake Blade Runner some day??? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gattaca is one of my favorites. This trend of remakes and adaptations is scary. While I often enjoy some of the final productions, it smacks of a trend of decreasing use of creativity in movie making and TV production. I fear movies created from original scripts may be a thing of the past maidmarian_thepoet wrote: Not a whole lot for me. I want something more involved than comic book heroes. Nevertheless, I picked a few for nostalgia sake. In fact, most of these picks are based on nostalgia. Maybe someday some one will write a movie as literate as say, Gattaca, was. The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The Dark Knight Hancock The Dark Knight Watchmen The Hobbit Since the market is based on young men, a lot of the others may hit big. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Sweeney Todd
Wow! Sorry that you didn't like it. The original musical is around 3 hours long and the characters get a little more leg room, but Burton pretty much captured one stream of the show. (There is a bit more humor in the musical.) Maybe I was in a more blood-thirsty mood. I went back last night. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I just got back in from watching Sweeney Todd with my girlfriend and my kids. They all liked it pretty well. I was not too impressed. It looked good. It was typically Burton dark. The costumes were really nice and there are some truly funny moments throughout the film. Overall, it's just a bore. It's way way way too long and there's not enough plot or character to carry the length of the film. Additionally there are no likeable, at least for me, characters. So while there are some good bits, I just couldn't find enough good things to bring me into the story. Frankly, if you take out the dark parts and the gore, and there is a lot of blood, it's just another generic two dimensional musical with an underdeveloped plot. I guess I'm also bummed that I don't go to that many movies at the theater and I feel like I wasted my money on this one. Bosco Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[scifinoir2] Re: SF Movies coming Up in 2008
Not a whole lot for me. I want something more involved than comic book heroes. Nevertheless, I picked a few for nostalgia sake. In fact, most of these picks are based on nostalgia. Maybe someday some one will write a movie as literate as say, Gattaca, was. The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The Dark Knight Hancock The Dark Knight Watchmen The Hobbit Since the market is based on young men, a lot of the others may hit big.
[scifinoir2] Hancock
Did I miss the discussion on Hancock? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxsidHhnCU This came out of left-field for me although it looks funny. After looking back, it looks like it was mentioned in passing during the discussion of Will Smith. Where did this story come from? I'm not up on graphics novels or comics. Is this a comic -- movie venture?
[scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?
I was raving about DayWatch just a few weeks ago. I loved it, especially the imagery. It's non-western so the choices of representative imagery is just slightly off from the way we see things done over-and-over-and-over. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend. I just saw a preview for Day Watch, that was interesting. Has anyone hear of it or its prequel Night Watch.
[scifinoir2] Re: somewhat related/I am Legend response
You asked what I thought of I am Legend. It's a fine adventure movie. I took my glasses off at various times, less I see what I didn't want to see. (And I was annoyed to hear that some people bought young and impressionable kids to the picture. Lots of nightmares tonight, I would imagine.) And Will Smith, despite saying that his days of action movies will soon be behind him, still acquits himself well. There is the requisite abs scene where he proves that he can still do pull-ups. Nevertheless. What I remember of the original novella is the emotional impact of the end. I'm not asking for the book to be re-enacted; I don't even completely remember what happens in the book. However, I wanted that emotional sting. There was quite a different book that I read while in high school. The author was tracing the belief in fairies, elves and such. He came to the conclusion that the belief was based on the shorter inhabitants of Britain that the Anglo-Saxons ran into when they conquered the island. The Picts, as I remember. As time passed, those human barrow folk became our legends of elves living in barrows. The end of the original novella was like thatthe protagonist looks over the sea of monsters and realizes that they are creating their own society. He realizes that he will become the boogey man of this new generation. This was almost implied in the movie. The Will Smith character never has time to consider that they trapped him as he trapped them. He never wonders if the man who exposed himself to light was seeking to retrieve his partner. It's the audience that understands what the character does not. Then we got the cheesy ending that implies that the plague was stopped.I'm ready for the director's cut and the actual nihilistic ending that the movie called for. I am Legend is an apocalyptic story. If the apocalypse doesn't comewhat's the point? Not that every movie has to have an unhappy ending. I ran into Hogfather on cable last night. I didn't realize that someone had filmed Terry Prachett's novel where Death takes over the job of Hogfather (readSanta Claus) for a night. I love Death's explanation to his human granddaughter (long story) that humans have to learn to believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus at an early age so that they will believe in Justice and Mercy when they grow up. Death's opinion is that Justice and Mercy exist because we humans believe that there actually are logical constructs with those names. It was sweet to see a defense of Santa Claus that actually included, in the course of the movie, an explanation of where most winter festivals came from. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extremely related. I just posted a long post about Burton. Gymfig said he does not he it and in my opinion, he's got something. You post supports that. I will add Sweeney Todd to my list. Let us know what you think about Legend maidmarian_thepoet wrote: I can recommend Sweeney Todd. No less than the NY Times declares it is a horror musical, which I guess is somewhat related to the topics we cover here. It's always been one of my favorite musicals. What can I say? It's a perfect antidote to the sappy movies that we usually get at this season. And in its way, it's a slap at laizzez-faire capitalism. I will try to hit I am Legend today. Alas, I've already missed the cheap showing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Weirdest SciFi Movie/DayWatch
Well, Daywatch finally made it to the top of my Netflix queue. I've been home sick, so I had time to watch it. I loved it. I love the imagery of this movie--slightly off kilter from western movies because it was not designed by European or Western minds. Nevertheless, there are some scenes that would wow the 12-18 male audience that American action movies are constantly trying to impress. In the commentary, the Russian director mentions that there was supposed to be a third movie--and more international. Instead, they finished the current story line in DayWatch. The entire production remained Russian. They convinced the SFX houses to work together in order to prove what Russian animation/SFX could do (instead of farming the work out internationally). And they did good! As an american, I probably don't get all of the references , but it was enjoyable. I notice that Amazon mentions that the 3 book series has become 4. Much as I loved this, I hope that the writer doesn't get pigeon-holed. (marian) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first sequel, Daywatch, is done and was released earlier this year. A subtitled version is supposed to be on the way soon. The second sequel, Duskwatch, is in the production phase. It was supposed to be filmed in English but I don't know if that is still the case.
[scifinoir2] Re: CBS Has Its Eye On 'Dexter'
Sure--I watch Dexter. Despite the fact that I came to work telling my co-workers that Showtime was scraping the bottom of the barrel by making a series about a serial killer. It is surprisingly good. I was under the impression that it completes this year. That just like many British series, it will actually have a definite ending. I am trying to imagine a sanitized Dexter on network TV. That would be a shame. Dexter's crimes have actual moral consequences for himself. I would imagine network TV would soften both the crime and its impact on the protaganist. (Much as they soften's some of the other Brit dramas that they imported to American TV) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any Dexter Fans here. Since I got disgusted with Showtime for continuing to repeatedly abandon its speculative fiction series, I never got a chance to check out Dexter. However a two weeks ago, after really getting into the movie Mr. Brooks, I decided to check it out. I rented the first four episodes of the first season and I am hooked. Are any of you into this show. The strike is forcing CBS, to air it on its main network. By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: TV Week Dec-04-2007 http://www.syfyportal.com/news424509.html Just as the Writers Guild of America strike was about to begin, various news outlets -- including SyFy Portal -- talked about how the major broadcast networks may look to their cable properties to help fill out their winter and spring schedules. CBS was the first to publicly admit they are doing just that as they are looking at ways of bringing shows like Dexter and Weeds over in sanitized form from Showtime. CBS is looking to bring the series starring Michael C. Hall as a Miami Police Department investigator who murders bad guys in his spare time. Showtime has had an increase of more than 1 million subscribers in the past year with David Duchovny's new series, Californication, recently picking up a foreign distribution deal worth $800,000 ... per episode. Click here to find out more! Les Moonves, president and chief executive of CBS Corp., teased the possibility of moving Showtime programming to CBS at the 35th Annual Global Media Communications Conference in New York City, according to TV Week. Whether other networks follow suit with their cable channels is more of a matter of when than if it seems, which means reruns of shows like Battlestar Galactica and Eureka could end up on the NBC schedule. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: CBS Has Its Eye On 'Dexter'
I'm somewhat biased because it was shot in my old hometowm. :-) I saw Mr Brooks in the theatre, so it has been awhile. I enjoyed it. Enjoyed the anticipated twist at the end. I didn't anticipate how they would get to the ending that I expected. That's always good. And I didn't realize that two actors would be playing the same man. I missed all of the previews, I expect. I think that it was Costner's best movie since before that water movie and the Postman movie. (And I loved the novel that the Postman was based on, so I can't blame him for that one.) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are showing episodes that have actually aired on showtime. It basically because they are disparate for programming as a result of the strike. I imagine they will have to do a significant amount of editing. I'm going to keep watching on DVD. It should not be edited in my opinion. What did you think about Mr. Brooks? maidmarian_thepoet wrote: Sure--I watch Dexter. Despite the fact that I came to work telling my co-workers that Showtime was scraping the bottom of the barrel by making a series about a serial killer. It is surprisingly good. I was under the impression that it completes this year. That just like many British series, it will actually have a definite ending. I am trying to imagine a sanitized Dexter on network TV. That would be a shame. Dexter's crimes have actual moral consequences for himself. I would imagine network TV would soften both the crime and its impact on the protaganist. (Much as they soften's some of the other Brit dramas that they imported to American TV) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Any Dexter Fans here. Since I got disgusted with Showtime for continuing to repeatedly abandon its speculative fiction series, I never got a chance to check out Dexter. However a two weeks ago, after really getting into the movie Mr. Brooks, I decided to check it out. I rented the first four episodes of the first season and I am hooked. Are any of you into this show. The strike is forcing CBS, to air it on its main network. By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: TV Week Dec-04-2007 http://www.syfyportal.com/news424509.html http://www.syfyportal.com/news424509.html Just as the Writers Guild of America strike was about to begin, various news outlets -- including SyFy Portal -- talked about how the major broadcast networks may look to their cable properties to help fill out their winter and spring schedules. CBS was the first to publicly admit they are doing just that as they are looking at ways of bringing shows like Dexter and Weeds over in sanitized form from Showtime. CBS is looking to bring the series starring Michael C. Hall as a Miami Police Department investigator who murders bad guys in his spare time. Showtime has had an increase of more than 1 million subscribers in the past year with David Duchovny's new series, Californication, recently picking up a foreign distribution deal worth $800,000 ... per episode. Click here to find out more! Les Moonves, president and chief executive of CBS Corp., teased the possibility of moving Showtime programming to CBS at the 35th Annual Global Media Communications Conference in New York City, according to TV Week. Whether other networks follow suit with their cable channels is more of a matter of when than if it seems, which means reruns of shows like Battlestar Galactica and Eureka could end up on the NBC schedule. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Gonna See The Golden Compass?
I might go see the movie at a matinee. The books got great reviews in the SF press. However, every time I picked them up, I found nothing to interest me. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone read the books? Are they any good? Are they that overt in their preachments against spirituality and do the children indeed kill God--or a god--in them?
[scifinoir2] Re: Any Jekyll Fans in The House
After Jekyll was mentioned here, I rented the DVDs from Netflix. Such fun! It's obvious from the ending that they were hoping to be renewed. However, I don't see it mentioned on BBC's main site. It did leave me wanting more, even though they kept writing themselves into a wall. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a few weeks ago, BBC America premiered Jekyll The Mini-series. Normally, Ido not get too excited about any of the incarnations of Dr. Jekyll Mr Hyde adaptations, but the previews were mesmerizing.
[scifinoir2] Martha Jones returns to Doctor Who
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7076705.stm Doctor faces Sontarans once again The new series will be screened in the UK next spring A group of Doctor Who's enemies - the Sontarans - will be revived, 35 years after first appearing in the BBC drama. The warriors will feature in an episode which will also mark the return of Freema Agyeman as Martha Jones. She will run into the Doctor's new companion - Donna Noble, played by Catherine Tate - for the first time. Martha will be back halfway through the series, once actress Agyeman has appeared in three episodes of Doctor Who spin-off Torchwood. Martha Jones returns in a fantastic storyline and the fans will get to see her in a whole new light, Agyeman promised.
[scifinoir2] OT: Egypt
from http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070925-115047-2690r (I have read this before, but not from an Eqyptian. And I am trying to understand the statement that they are not Arabs. I guess Eqyptians are a tribe unto themselves? Personally, I don't think that the concept of 'race' existed in Tutankhamen's time.) Tutankhamen 'was not black' September 25, 2007 `NOT BLACK': An ancient statue of Egyptian Pharaoh King Tutankhamen is displayed in the Cairo Museum. (REUTERS) -- -- CAIRO -- Egyptian antiquities supremo Zahi Hawass insisted Tuesday that Tutankhamen was not black despite calls by US black activists to recognize the boy king's dark skin color. Tutankhamen was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it, Hawass told reporters. Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa, he said, quoted by the official MENA news agency. Hawass said that he was responding to several demonstrations in Philadelphia after a lecture that he gave there September 6 where he defended his theory. Protestors also claimed that images of King Tut were altered to show him with lighter skin at the Tutankhamen and the Golden Age of the Pharaohs exhibit, which leaves Philadelphia for London September 30.
[scifinoir2] Re: The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like
Actually, I liked Moonlight. It was better than the Lifetime series that was directly based on the Tanya Huff novels. The one difference is that the POV character is the vampire; we don't have the story from the human's POV as in the Huff novels. (It made me wonder if Yarbro's St. Germain would make it as a tv character.) I saw Reaper and it was cute. Better than I expected, but then Kevin Smith directed the series opener. I usually only pick up one or two new series each year, no matter how good it may be. There are not enough hours in the day and i have stories to revise. [:D] --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intrigued by Bionic Woman (could be good if written well), Pushing Daisies (though the Ghost Whisperer/Medium angle's getting tired), Reaper (lots of potential for good standalone stories, but fear it could devolve into dreck), and Journeyman (hope they don't screw up by Americanizing the Brit original's tone). Not sure about New Amsterdam, which could be a weak Highlander ripoff, or have some potential. Not so excited about Moonlight (tired of the suave, handsome, tortured vampire angle--let's bring back real bloodsuckers!) or Sarah Conner (which I'm sure will end up being boring and derivative) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The fall season is about to start. there are a number of speculative fiction shows premiering. Below is list with brief descriptions. Are there any that you are looking forward to seeing? Which ones do you think are duds? Will any of them make it? ELI STONE (ABC) - Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps he now has a higher calling. PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller (Heroes) and Barry Sonnenfeld (Men in Black) comes an unprecedented blend of romance, crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive. Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again, she'll go back to being dead, this time for good. REAPER (The CW) - For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret Harrison, The Loop, Grounded for Life) wondered why his parents went so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's mom (Allison Hossack, Falcon Beach) and dad (Andrew Airlie, The L Word) always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at the same time pressuring his younger brother Keith (Kyle Switzer, 15/Love) to excel. As a result, Sam skipped college, took a dead-end job and now wastes endless hours playing video games and wishing he had the guts to ask out his pretty co-worker, Andi (Nikki Reed, Thirteen, The O.C.). Everything in his slacker world changes the day Sam turns 21 and discovers the ungodly reason his parents let him slide: they sold his soul to the devil before he was born. Satan himself (Ray Wise, 24, The Closer) drops by to personally explain that Sam must now serve as his bounty hunter, tracking down evil souls that have escaped and returning them to Hell. At first, Sam refuses to accept his bizarre fate, but after getting just a glimpse of Satan's temper, Sam realizes that breaking a deal with the devil has consequences that are very, very bad THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX) - Sarah vanquished the liquid metal Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world. Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH (Lena Headey, The Brothers Grimm, 300) stops running and goes on the offensive
[scifinoir2] Re: The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like
I'm not sure yet. I missed quite a few of the ones being discussed here already. I can wish luck on K'ville because it gives some local folks jobs---I called a friend last week to tell him that I caught him in the opening credits. But despite the occasional right notes, all the shooting and car chases get on my nerves. It would have been nice to have a NOLA version of Homicide. Of course, that show only lasted 2 or 3 years. So, I will clinch my teeth and enjoy the times when they do hit notes right. Reaper may end up like Dead Like Me. I loved the show, but I was not going to force myself to watch it every week. Consequently, I saw it in reruns. I'll watch Moonlight, I guess. Actually, if everything moves to the web or Netflix, it may not matter. I recall hearing a commentary on NPR that remarked how many of the season openings were available on the web. Lately, I've been on a BBC high renting their shows. Hustle and Robin Hood and the few Doctor Who espisodes that I missed. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what one or two new series are you picking up when all is said and done? For me, it's Reaper, K*Ville, and maybe Bionic Woman. -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I liked Moonlight. It was better than the Lifetime series that was directly based on the Tanya Huff novels. The one difference is that the POV character is the vampire; we don't have the story from the human's POV as in the Huff novels. (It made me wonder if Yarbro's St. Germain would make it as a tv character.) I saw Reaper and it was cute. Better than I expected, but then Kevin Smith directed the series opener. I usually only pick up one or two new series each year, no matter how good it may be. There are not enough hours in the day and i have stories to revise. [:D] --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Intrigued by Bionic Woman (could be good if written well), Pushing Daisies (though the Ghost Whisperer/Medium angle's getting tired), Reaper (lots of potential for good standalone stories, but fear it could devolve into dreck), and Journeyman (hope they don't screw up by Americanizing the Brit original's tone). Not sure about New Amsterdam, which could be a weak Highlander ripoff, or have some potential. Not so excited about Moonlight (tired of the suave, handsome, tortured vampire angle--let's bring back real bloodsuckers!) or Sarah Conner (which I'm sure will end up being boring and derivative) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ The fall season is about to start. there are a number of speculative fiction shows premiering. Below is list with brief descriptions. Are there any that you are looking forward to seeing? Which ones do you think are duds? Will any of them make it? ELI STONE (ABC) - Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps he now has a higher calling. PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller (Heroes) and Barry Sonnenfeld (Men in Black) comes an unprecedented blend of romance, crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive. Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again, she'll go back to being dead, this time for good. REAPER (The CW) - For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret Harrison, The Loop, Grounded for Life) wondered why his parents went so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's mom (Allison Hossack, Falcon Beach) and dad (Andrew Airlie, The L Word) always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at the same time pressuring his
[scifinoir2] Re: New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday
True. The painful thing is that I found my mistake 10 minutes later and couldn't delete the message. (Well, I did, but obviously yahoo ignored me.) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracey, I think that Marian was referring to Peter Wingfield (a Welshman, BTB!), who looks a lot like Brody.
[scifinoir2] Re: New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday
I actually like the series especially after they brought in the Watchers and Adrien Brody. But this was merely silly. Special effects instead of plot. I left after 30 minutes. I didn't even slip back in to see how they ended it.I had a DVD of Hustle, Thank G-d. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you beat me to it!! :) It is really, really bad. The only Highlander movie that was good was the first one with Conner McLeod. The others all sucked and this is no exception. One thing I loved about the series was the fight scenes, which were usually pretty good. This one has a non-stop camera that makes me dizzy and doesn't show any good fight details. And I'm not just talking about when that idiot Guardian uses his super-speed. The movie's using all the horrible FX used in modern music videos. The plot's beyond stupid, the acting's stilted, and they killed Joe Dawson. (Don't worry about this spoiler folks, the movie's too crappy for you to care). I am trully appalled at how bad this is. It's as bad as I feared, unfortunately.
[scifinoir2] Re: New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday
I actually liked the series after they bought the Watchers and the character of Methos in. This one lost me after 30 minutes. I didn't even slip back in to see the end. Thank Goodness, I had a DVD of Hustle to watch. At least it was accurately titled. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you beat me to it!! :) It is really, really bad. The only Highlander movie that was good was the first one with Conner McLeod. The others all sucked and this is no exception. One thing I loved about the series was the fight scenes, which were usually pretty good. This one has a non-stop camera that makes me dizzy and doesn't show any good fight details. And I'm not just talking about when that idiot Guardian uses his super-speed. The movie's using all the horrible FX used in modern music videos. The plot's beyond stupid, the acting's stilted, and they killed Joe Dawson. (Don't worry about this spoiler folks, the movie's too crappy for you to care). I am trully appalled at how bad this is. It's as bad as I feared, unfortunately.
[scifinoir2] Re: New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday
Let me know when SciFi makes it up to killer rabbits. We've had alligators, snakes, and every water critter known to man. I guess that they've made it to land now. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But enough of beating a horse that was brought in dead. Let's butcher some fresh meat. Grizzly Rage is p tonight. Will it be bear-ly watchable? Will you grin and bear watching it?
[scifinoir2] Re: New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday
O-M-G! I stepped into this a few minutes late and already it is horrendous. They've transported Highlander into a video game and a bad game at that. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure you can find this movie--or versions of it, like the Russian one I mentioned--on the Net. And it'll probably show up on DVD soon... -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAMMIT!!! I hate Comcast! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a trailer from this flick several months ago, I think from a Russian release. Believe I dropped the link to the group, in fact. The creators say that any version other than the one being aired this Saturday is not officially approved, however. Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually like when beings of mysticism like the immortals discover the source of their powers: it tends to ruin the mystery. But more, the Highlander movies have all sucked (all but the first), especially when compared to the TV series. I'm a little nervous about the quality of this upcoming trilogy. But of course I'll be there Saturday night About Highlander on SciFi Channel: http://www.scifi.com/highlander5/ Official Highlander site: http://www.highlander-thesource.com/news-updates.html Celebrating 20 years of The Legend, Davis-Panzer Productions, Sequence Films and Grosvenor Park are proud to announce the upcoming 2007 release of HIGHLANDER: The Source. Brett Leonard is the director with Adrian Paul playing the immortal Scottish swordsman, Duncan MacLeod. This new adventure, starring Adrian Paul is the first feature in the Trilogy. The Source tells the story of Immortals as they quest to locate the Holy Grail of their world. The entire series of films will chronicle the origins of the Immortals. Director Brett Leonard commented This is a tremendous opportunity for a storyteller of this genre to take part in the mythology of 20 years. He continues that HIGHLANDER is an amazing ongoing story that I can bring my visual style to... Everything I have done has led me to this kind of mythical fantasy. Brett Leonard pioneered the creation of digital visual effects in filmmaking with 1992's Lawnmower Man, he also directed 1995's Virtuosity, and most recently completed Marvel's Man-Thing. He is heralded as a maverick in science fiction, fantasy and adventure by creating films with a strong visual presence. Peter Davis of Davis-Panzer Productions noted, We are truly celebrating this milestone in HIGHLANDER history by pairing Brett and Adrian in our newest Trilogy. We anticipate that this combination will recapture the filming glory of the original HIGHLANDER. Davis-Panzer Productions is busy further immortalizing the Clan MacLeod during the series' twentieth year with an anime feature film in partnership with Imagi and Madhouse of Japan and a video game with SCI Games Ltd. of London. There is no limit when your story is timeless and Immortal! HIGHLANDER: The Source will be distributed in North America through Lions Gate Films and in 40 foreign territories through the top independent distributors. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Anyone See Masters of Science Fiction?
I enjoyed Jerry Was a Man best. I don't know if its wry tone matched the original story. It was the story of a wealthy couple who set out to purpose a bio-engineered flying horse in order to outshine their neighbor who has another bio-eng animal. The company owner/engineer talks them into leasing a man who the wife comes to see as human. She sues the company in order to break the lease saying that Jerry is a Man and not a throw-away. I see on the net that Heinlein wrote it in 1947, so it preceeds Asimov's The Bicentennial Man. The Discarded is based on an Ellison story that I recall reading. We have a ship full of people disformed by disease. They are in orbit, not allowed to leave. Earth sends a ship saying 'the virus that caused your deformation is spreading. We now know that we can make a serum from your blood as a cure. Give us your blood and we'll let you land.' Despite the warnings of their leader, they give the blood. I'll let you guess the ending. The stories are not unoriginal. Especially for their time. The Discarded was as much of a slap of cold water in the face as The Cold Equations was in its time. I think that our society is more cynical now and more aware of how we use people and throw them away. Perhaps the stories could even be saved. I heard a journalist talk about how many emails he got from people who didn't understand the flack that Vick received about killing dogs. Many people feel that nature is here to serve man. Maybe if Jerrry was played by a dog, people would get Heilein's message. I see that in the original story, Jerry was chimpanzee. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you give a quick synopsis of these two, and why they're so unoriginal? -- Original message -- From: my_current_identity [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw two of them: Jerry Was a Man and The Discarded. I think that I will agree with one of the reviews I read that said that the concept was great, but it is a shame that they picked such old stories. The themes of the stories that I watched have been subsumed by SF and there was no real revelation at the conclusion. Even for filmed SF, the stories had no sense- of-wonder or shock-of-the-new. They were watchable, unlike a lot of the scifi channel monster movies, but I don't think that you missed much. If they continue, I hope that they pick newer stories. It would be good to see a good anthology show again. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Given everything that went on in my life recently, completely forgot about this. Did anyone catch it? Was it any good? Even though scifi ebbs and flows on Tv, with some series hanging on (Herores, Battlestar), I've long felt the lost of the scifi anthology shows. I miss the days of Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, even Night Gallgery, where you had lots of different stories and guest stars. How was it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Anyone See Masters of Science Fiction?
Yeah, I would not call him Hitler. Here in La., we have our own problems with cock-fighting. Just a different animal. Everyone picks a cause that they are rabid about. (un-intentend pun) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the summaries. As for Mike Vick, what he did was horrible, no doubt. But I have long been amazed at how so many people spend more time fighting for animal rights than humans'. Dogs and cats are absolutley deserving of humane treatment. But (some) people want to penalize Vick as if he were Hitler or something, and I don't see it on that level.
[scifinoir2] Re: Anyone See Masters of Science Fiction?
shame on you! (smile) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will NOT say what my initial mental image was when you said Cock Fighting! There WAS pain involved, though...LOLLOL! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maidmarian_thepoet Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:54 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Anyone See Masters of Science Fiction? Yeah, I would not call him Hitler. Here in La., we have our own problems with cock-fighting. Just a different animal. Everyone picks a cause that they are rabid about. (un-intentend pun) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: thanks for the summaries. As for Mike Vick, what he did was horrible, no doubt. But I have long been amazed at how so many people spend more time fighting for animal rights than humans'. Dogs and cats are absolutley deserving of humane treatment. But (some) people want to penalize Vick as if he were Hitler or something, and I don't see it on that level. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Anyone See Masters of Science Fiction?
If you can't find them online, try the library. Most of these stories have been anthologized (is that a word?) quite often. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all sound like good stories, good old school scifi. I'll need to look them up. wonder if they're available online?
