[scifinoir2] Dr. Who reaffirmed
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[scifinoir2] Scanner questions
Did anyone ever go see A Scanner Darkly? I have a question -- don't worry not a spoiler -- from the movie and the book that I read last week. Fred watches Arctor on tape and notices that it appears that Donna's face has been pasted in over the face of the prostitute that Arctor picked up. In the book and the movie, Arctor notices the same thing in his real time. Was this a hallucination? Or was someone covering up? If so, why? Did Barris poison Arctor? Or Donna? PKD did write letters to the FBI accusing people of anti-American acts. Did he also turn in friends for drug use? I thought that he had, but all I see are references to his paranoid letters to the FBI. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Eureka premieres tonight on Sci Fi
I don't know. I bailed after 45 minutes. It's a pity that the SciFi channel hasn't found the secret yet about producing humorous sf. I miss that old show where the sheriff was an agent of the devil. (can't recall the name). --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, I still have last week's Stargate premieres on tape, along with Avatar, and now another new show pops up. This one is Eureka, a Sci Fi original about a town of apparently superiour beings. It looks to be some good quirky fun, especially fitting for the summer. Long as it doesn't suck, I'll give it a try, if for no other reason than the fact that Salli Richardson-Whitfield is in the series, looking more fetching than ever! Whew! Oh, there's also going to be an extended trailer from season 3 of Battlestar Galactica played sometime during Eureka's premiere. About the series: As World War II came to a close with mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the impact that science and technology would have on the continued security of our world became catastrophically apparent. America nearly lost the race to build the atomic bomb; it could not risk such a close call again. With the help of Albert Einstein and other trusted advisors, President Harry S. Truman commissioned a top-secret residential development in a remote area of the Pacific Northwest, one that would serve to protect and nurture America's most valuable intellectual resources. There our nation's greatest thinkers, the über-geniuses working on the next era of scientific achievement, would be able to live and work in a supportive environment. The best architects and planners were commissioned to design a welcoming place for these superlative geniuses to reside, an area that would offer the best education for their children, the best healthcare, the best amenities and quality of life. A community was created to rival the most idyllic of America's small towns with one major difference: this town would never appear on any maps. At least, none that haven't been classified eyes only by the Pentagon. Thus, the town of Eureka was born. But for all its familiar, small- town trappings, things in this secret hamlet are anything but ordinary. The stereotype of the absent-minded professor exists for a reason, and most of the quantum leaps in science and technology during the past 50 years were produced by Eureka's elite researchers. Unfortunately, scientific exploration is rarely what one expects, and years of experiments gone awry have yielded some peculiar by-products. From unrequited love to professional jealousy, from addiction to depression, the problems of Eureka's townsfolk stem from life's myriad of everyday challenges. But with the population's unique talents, troubled psyches and limitless resources, these small-town concerns have a way of becoming big-time problems. It is at that intersection, where human frailty and super-science collide, that Eureka begins . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] A Scanner Darkly
So what are people thinking of the latest PKD movie? It's dense and not for the faint-hearted. On the other hand, there is a lot of joy for geeky boys and girls. I laughed a lot, but I don't know if my friend got all of the jokes. On the other hand, she pointed out a lot of visual puns that I missed. -Marian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Blade on tonight
Punish is right. I only lasted 30 minutes before I went back to reading email on my pc. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who, unlike me and Astro, were lucky enough to miss the Blade series premiere, you have a chance to punish yourself tonight. Both the pilot and the first ep are airing tonight, starting at 9 pm Eastern. I'd be interested in what others think outside the handful of us who watched the premiere. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: a review of Superman movie
I did go see this movie this past weekend. I thought that the furor would have died down with the release of Pirates, but the theatre was packed and they were still running it in two halls. Personally, the Christological references got on my nerves. And not because I am Jewish. Because, once again, the director and producers don't trust the American public's intelligence and they pound image and text over and over and over again. I get it already! That said, I think that I liked the movie better than most reviewers. It was fun hearing the kids throughout the theatre going wow!, literally. They couldn't give Superman the same amount of angst as Batman--Superman is just too powerful. But they gave it a good try. All of the actors looked so young. Until I watched the Superman special that is mentioned in another message stream and realized that C. Reeves was only 25 when he started the 70's version of Superman. Somehow, Superman is always 30 to me. (Speaking of which, I never understood the need to people kid movies with kid heros. I was perfectly happy as a child with adult heros. The kids in the Narnia books were the only kid heros that I recall reading as a child.) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very thoughtful review of Superman Returns. It makes me want to see it now. http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/Westfahl_SupermanReturns.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: 'Psych' puts snarky spin on too-serious TV genre
The commercials for this have actually made me laugh. Finally, some balance! I notice that among the legal shows, we are getting a defense-attorney show also. I had stopped watching Law and Order and its like because I was sick of seeing Prosecutor stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Psych' puts snarky spin on too-serious TV genre Psych 10 p.m. July 7, USA Grade: A- By RODNEY HO The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 07/07/2006 Psychics and mediums and folks who see dead people are scattered all over the dial. USA Network already has The Dead Zone. NBC's got Patricia Arquette's Medium. CBS enjoyed a surprise hit last season with The Ghost Whisperer. So the time is ripe for someone who can mock the whole psychic phenomenon, while doing a bang-up job pretending to be one. Actor James Roday embraces his fake psychic character Shawn Spencer on the new USA show Psych, which debuts tonight. Based on the opening 90- minute episode, this could be an ideal companion to the quirky comedy Monk. Shawn is a fitfully employed, gleefully immature 27-year-old who has one amazing skill, honed by his demanding cop-dad played by Corbin Bernsen: a photographic memory and exceptional retention for detail. Bored, he uses those skills to call in tips to the police about crimes he sees on the TV news. When skeptical cops bring Shawn in for questioning, he pretends to be a psychic to evade arrest. The police chief, who knows Spencer's dad, tests Shawn by letting him help out in a kidnapping case. Jazzed by the challenge, Shawn amusingly hones his act by rubbing his temples, waving his hands and yelping loudly as he sees visions. He ropes in his childhood friend, the uptight, bored pharmaceutical salesman Gus (Dulé Hill from West Wing). Yes, they had to make it a buddy comedy; otherwise, who would Shawn play off? Playing the straight man, Hill hasn't quite found his character yet, but he has chemistry with Roday, who injects Shawn with a laid-back likability. The writers feed the pair oodles of free-wheeling repartee. At one point, Shawn gurgles to Gus: Make sure you act in awe of me when they come to say I'm completely right. Maybe a little afraid, like possibly my powers could be used for evil! For frothy fun, Psych will be the perfect summertime break from all the ultra-serious crime procedurals already on TV. But that's only opinion, not a prediction. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] a review of Superman movie
A very thoughtful review of Superman Returns. It makes me want to see it now. http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/Westfahl_SupermanReturns.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] This American Life
Occasionally, this american life covers stories that I am surprised make it to the air. Most of the stories are online. Have a listen to http://audio.wbez.org/tal/200.mp3 Description: Act One. Don't Believe Anything You Hear on the Radio. The story of a clandestine radio station the CIA set up back in the good old bad old days of the fifties, to overthrow Guatemala. The coup succeeded because of the immense power of radio. Or that's what the CIA believed, anyway. We play the recently declassified tapes of the station's broadcasts. We believe it's the first time they've ever been broadcast in this country. Nancy Updike reports. http://audio.wbez.org/tal/246.mp3 Act One. Who Put the Pistol in Epistolary? The story of a ten- year-old girl from small town Michigan named Sarah York, and how she became pen pals with a man who was considered an enemy of the United States, a dictator, a drug trafficker, and a murderer: Manuel Noriega. (41 minutes) http://audio.wbez.org/tal/296.mp3 Surprising stories from survivors in New Orleans. We give people who were in the storm more time than daily news coverage can to tell their stories and talk about what they're thinking. This leads to a number of ideas that haven't made it into the regular news coverage. Prologue. Ira talks about something he read that seemed to put an end to all debate over one of the key issues swirling around right now. He checks with William Nichelson, author of the books Emergency Response and Emergency Management Law and Homeland Security Law and Policy, to see if he's correctly undertanding the issue. (5 minutes) Act One. Middle of Somewhere. In the days following Hurricane Katrina, Denise Moore was trapped in the New Orleans Convention Center, with her mom, her niece and her niece's two-year-old daughter. There she witnessed acts of surprising humanity by armed thugs, taking charge and doing good. (15 minutes) Song: When the Levee Breaks, Memphis Minnie Act Two. Forgotten, But Not Lost. To find out more about the bridge Denise talked about in Act One, and the armed police who prevented pedestrians from crossing, This American Life producer Alex Blumberg talks with Lorrie Beth Slonsky and her husband Larry Bradshaw. They're paramedics from San Francisco who were visiting New Orleans for a convention when Hurricane Katrina hit. After the storm, they tried to escape the city in a number of ways. When they tried to leave the city on foot, they were told, at gunpoint, by police, that they must turn back. We also hear from Debbie Zelinsky, who was with them. (17 minutes) Song: Walking to New Orleans, Fats Domino Act Three. Social Studies Lesson. We compare Fox TV talk show host Bill O'Reilly's ideas about the hurricane's aftermath with those of Ashley Nelson, an 18-year-old who lives in the Lafitte Housing projects in New Orleans, in one of the flooded neighborhoods. Among other things, she explains what it feels like to go without food and water for two days. (5 minutes) Ashley is the author of an amazing book called The Combination about her neighborhood in New Orleans. Contact The Neighborhood Stories Project for information on getting a copy Song: Them That Got, Ray Charles Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] movies we are not allowed to see
That's distressing news. I had been wondering what movies people were writing about the U.S.--given the number of mistaken bombings, illegal arrests and what not. The closest that we get to see is The Constant Gardener which excoriates the prescription medicine industry. Even on the trivial level...I asked a member of another forum if Israel made their own biblical epics. I am so tired of blonde Moses and blonde Jesuses. I want to see the world through someone else's eyes for a change. It's why I rent so many foriegn movies. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some don't get theatrical, broadcast TV, cable, or even DVD releases, some have been yanked, some have limited release. I recognize about marketability limiting availability. But it is upsetting that something can get yanked from the schedule and all reference to it deleted and no dvds made when the plan was to have it available on dvd. I'm not sure about all of them. Up until Friday, i suspected that some of the films I have been seeing on The movie Channel, HBO and hallmark had been censured from the schedule, but most of the time I attributed it to being more about money. Then I read about what happened to Strip Search. i have not done any research yet, so I am not sure about the others. I heard from hearsay about: Comadante and The Panama Deception. I wonder just a litter about code 46 and - H2O: The Last Prime Minister. More h20 than code 46 But Strip Search being censored is based on fact. I've only seen code 46, h2o and strip search. However, now that I know that it is possible the other two movies are censured, I'm going to watch them the next time they come on.While i disagree with censorship, I do understand why. The messages in these films are scary. If people began to question our government more, that would be disastrous for those in power. H20 led me to have doubts about living in Canada. Recent developments with the latest terrorist scare there and suggested plans made by their new conservative leaderships have served to feed those interesting fact. Most of the Europeans I meet think the us is repressive. They are always horrified at how they know more about what is going on in our country than we do and at the level of censorship that is going on with our mainstream media. I guess because we are censored, most of us to not realize it. I'm starting to meet more and more people who are on the no-fly list. As far as I can tell their sin is posting opposing opinions on blogs and discussion list. I fly back to the states in a few weeks. I am terrified that because of my views, that I too will be on the no fly list. If a 67 year-old, retired, grand mother can get put on the no fly list for posting opinions on the Internet in not repressive or censorship, I do not know what is. If or when I have time, I am going to look into this. I had no idea our entertainment might be censored too. Sigh... Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But are those movies and projects you mentioned censored completely in the US, in terms of not getting theatrical, broadcast TV, cable, or even DVD releases? I guess I know some don't make it to the big screen, but I always assumed that if you could find someone to market it--based on financial judgements, not necessarily moral/political ones--you'd still at least be able to get a direct-to-DVD deal. I always thought that even films the Powers That Be didn't like could find release somewhere, perhaps under the radar where the government's not paying attention. Are you saying that there are projects in America that are actually censored to the point where they can't even get put on DVD? I was thinking that these other, more repressive countries (like, yes, many Islamic-dominated countries) were the only ones whose governments instituted such all-inclusive bans on film. Incidentally, if you can find a Web site that lists recent films and how they were rated in other countries (or which were banned) I'd be interested. I did some searching last night, but got a bunch of sites talking about American and British standards. I did run across a Wikipedia article that listed a whole bunch of countries' various rating levels, with explanations of each level. But in addition to that i was looking for an actual list like EW's that said things like This movie was rated 'R' in the US, but given a '12 and over' in France. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually. That might not be actually true. There are a number of American Made films with sometimes high level directors, producers and actors that I see here in Mexico, that get yanked, not shown or never play in the states. When I see go to imdb, all the user comments are from
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr Who and Parting of the Ways
It's more fun to imagine. The new Doctor looks younger and more innocent in any case. And they left Cpt. Jack behind. (I haven't checked the BBC site to see if they doubled back. The actor may show up in later shows.) Meanwhile...I went to the BBC and other sites and did find some of the mythos that was built up about the Doctor and Galifrey while the show was off the air. Interesting stuff. Like the Galifreyians were all sterile and were woven into being when a family member ran out of regenerations. Like implying that the Doctor is not just a Time Lord, but a reincarnation of one of the original triumphant that ruled Galifrey. The authors of the books were more original than the Star Trek book authors were. Of course, the ST owners kept a tighter rein on the writers. The BBC didn't think that the Doctor would ever be a TV show again. Once they decided to bring him back, they took the book contract back from Virgin. As to Parting of the Ways---I wish that Bad Wolf had been a geniune anagram. Not just an alert, but an actual message. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It ended up in my bulk mail bin, didn't see it until I dumped it. When Doctor Who first aired back in '63, it was a kid's show, filler for the airtime between moring shows and the afternoon soccer matches. As for what goes on between eps...maybe the BBC will let someone write about it. Not me, though. I'm a good boy. md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent you an email. I wonder what age range Doctor Who is pitched to in GB? The BBC web site includes a spin-off section for games and pretend blogs. The Mickey character (hmm. I can't say African-American. He's Brit. Is it African-Breton?) has a blog with games for kids. On the other hand, you have Captain Jack propositioning every humanoid that he meets. It makes you wonder what is going on in the Tardis between shows. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt martin_pratt18@ wrote: md, feel free to hit me anytime. Always willing to discuss my childhood obsession. Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I've got it recorded and ready for viewing at my girlfriends place. I'd love to hear what you think as soon as I watch it. B --- md_moore42 md_moore42@ wrote: Well, just finished watching the last of the 1st of the new BBC season. A very Deus Ex machina ending, I must say. Some things very silly, but they still managed to emphasize that the Doctor is not one of us. And we get to see Captain Jack give the Doctor a kiss. (Can you imagine a heroic bi-sexual character on American TV?) See--I managed not to give any real spoilers! But I do have a quibble, if there are any fans out there to talk to. I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Dr Who and Parting of the Ways
I sent you an email. I wonder what age range Doctor Who is pitched to in GB? The BBC web site includes a spin-off section for games and pretend blogs. The Mickey character (hmm. I can't say African-American. He's Brit. Is it African-Breton?) has a blog with games for kids. On the other hand, you have Captain Jack propositioning every humanoid that he meets. It makes you wonder what is going on in the Tardis between shows. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: md, feel free to hit me anytime. Always willing to discuss my childhood obsession. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got it recorded and ready for viewing at my girlfriends place. I'd love to hear what you think as soon as I watch it. B --- md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, just finished watching the last of the 1st of the new BBC season. A very Deus Ex machina ending, I must say. Some things very silly, but they still managed to emphasize that the Doctor is not one of us. And we get to see Captain Jack give the Doctor a kiss. (Can you imagine a heroic bi-sexual character on American TV?) See--I managed not to give any real spoilers! But I do have a quibble, if there are any fans out there to talk to. I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Dr Who and Parting of the Ways
Well, just finished watching the last of the 1st of the new BBC season. A very Deus Ex machina ending, I must say. Some things very silly, but they still managed to emphasize that the Doctor is not one of us. And we get to see Captain Jack give the Doctor a kiss. (Can you imagine a heroic bi-sexual character on American TV?) See--I managed not to give any real spoilers! But I do have a quibble, if there are any fans out there to talk to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: X-3 Takes Over one Hundred Million at Box office
I enjoyed it, but the surprise after the credits was no surprise. My biggest laugh was actually before the movie--when they showed the trailer for Snakes on a Plane. I started laughing when I realized what it was. The teenager beside me asked 'Is that a real movie?' and I laughed even harder and told him yes. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not yet, Keith, though I'm torn, because I haven't seen Da Vinci either, and I'm not willing to give H'Wood more than ten of my hard- earned bucks. It's one or the other for me. I've got a friend in Canada who's seen Da Vinci and loved it, and was going to see X3 this weekend. Haven't heard back from her yet. Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daaamn! The flick made twenty milion *more* than the studio hoped--and the holiday weekend ain't over yet!! Anyone seen it yet? I'm going tomorrow. I hear the action's great, though the substance isn't necessarily all that deep. X-Men cracks Da Vinci Code at box office 1 hour, 18 minutes ago The final film in the X-Men superhero trilogy blew past last weekend's box office champ, The Da Vinci Code, to post the fourth-highest all-time opening in North America, according to studio estimates issued on Sunday. X-Men: The Last Stand sold about $107 million worth of tickets in the three-day period from Friday to Sunday, said distributor 20th Century Fox. The News Corp.-owned studio said it hoped the film would open near the $86 million bow of its 2003 predecessor X2: X-Men United. By contrast, Da Vinci opened with $77 million a week ago, the highest bow so far this year. The Vatican conspiracy thriller slipped to No. 2, but sales data were not available as most studios were planning to report estimates for the U.S. Memorial Day holiday weekend on Monday. However, Da Vinci Code distributor Columbia Pictures said the film earned $92 million in most foreign territories, and enjoyed strong holds in such countries as Germany and Japan. The international total stands at $320 million. As of Thursday evening, the film had earned $102 million in North America. Columbia, a unit of Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news)., said its film earned more overseas than X-Men, which also opened internationally on Friday, but neither Columbia nor Fox had any foreign data for the new arrival. The three-day record for a film opening on a Friday is held by 2002's Spider-Man ($115 million), followed by 2005's Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith ($108.4 million) and 2004's Shrek 2 ($108 million). Fox said X-Men: The Last Stand cost about $165 million to make. The studio licensed the comic book franchise from Marvel Entertainment Inc. The first film in the series, X-Men opened to $54 million in 2000, and went on to earn $157 million. The sequel finished with $215 million. The new film, whose returning cast of mutants includes Hugh Jackman as the heroic Wolverine and Ian McKellen as the evil Magneto, was directed by Brett Ratner, best known for the Rush Hour films. It had its world premiere at the Cannes Film Festival last week, and earned rave reviews -- unlike Da Vinci Code. In addition to taking over from Da Vinci as the highest opening so far this year, the new X-Men beats the nine-year-old Memorial Day weekend record held by The Lost World: Jurassic Park, which opened to $72 million during its first three days. Steven Spielberg's dinosaur picture earned an additional $18 million during the Monday holiday. Projections for the four-day period will be released on Monday, and final data on Tuesday. Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures said it took the No. 3 and No. 4 places with the barnyard cartoon Over the Hedge ($27.3 million) and the Tom Cruise thriller Mission: Impossible III ($6.6 million), respectively. Their totals rose to $85.3 million after two weeks and $115.5 million after four weeks, respectively. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. To unsubscribe
[scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF??/mi: 3
Well, I have to agree about MI:3. $8 was too much for a matinee. Just one explosion after another. I miss the team even more. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently saw a free screening of MI:3 at Paramount and after the Q A with the ah, writers, of this travesty of justice, I came tot he conclusion that these guys basically get work because J.J Abrams hires them being that they are old-friends. The movie had more holes then the guy Dick Cheney shot. MI:3 was lame, and the ending was as convincing as when Bush was on the aircraft carrier proclaiming, Major combat activities in Iraq are over. I called the plot revelation 10 minutes after the film began. I finally gave in a watched the LOST finale, and I'm sorry but its obvious that the shows creators are making up plots as they go along. This show is stupid. They talked to two of the shows producers on that nights newscast and they said, Michael final gets his son back and they head off to civilization. Or does he? Stupid. And Michael reverting to the traitorous black man so often portrayed in film...and how did the other guy know what Michael was doing? LOST sucks. Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart melaninjitsu@ wrote: I have now seen MI:3 and I have seen the season finale of Lost. I have NOT seen the series finale of Alias. But I have come to the following conclusion: J J Abrams starts a strong story and figures it out as he goes along. Star Trek 11 will be a lot of fun because it will flow like the guys who did Free Enterprise did it. Lost started off like there was a point..and ending...but there IS none. We all had theories...ideas...but he didn't. He literally started a show about a plane crash and just started running in all directions. that finale had MAD open endings. The sad thing is, it's the best science fiction show on TV right now. On May 26, 2006, at 9:34 AM, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Well, I'm not to that point, but I can see why you are. There's a really fine line between skilled suspenseful plot development, and dragging out a plot for profit.I don't think Lost is there yet, but I do think one more season is all it needs to go. After that it's just too much to keep asking fans to be on the edge of our seats, guessing, wondering, as the mysteries slowly unfold. Now I love Lost. And Prison Break is another show with the same issue, though a different focus. Each slowly lets out clues over a long period of time. Prison Break now has the guys on the run. Okay, then let's make season three the concluding series. I think shows like these, that tax your intelligence and patience, are great, but shouldn't drag on aritificially. They should be considered like play in three acts: intro season, main season, and concluding season. Producers behind both Lost and Prison Break have said their shows cou! ld go on past three seasons, which bothers me. Three is quit e enough. I wonder: given the public's refound love for these suspense- type shows, coupled with comments like yours showing some don't like this stuff to drag on forever, might Americans be ready for the TV novella? You know, instead of several seasons of plot development, or even one day-long season like 24, create mini-series that are self- contained in less than one season. The shows could begin and end in, say, half a season, to be replaced by the next novella. They could be action, suspense, high drama, etc. It works in Mexico for their soap- opera type novellas. Maybe it'd work here. Surely it can't be worse than all the damn reality shows. And given that most TV series show way less than the old standard of 28 eps per season, maybe the shortened TV novella wouldn't be all that jarring a change. -- Original message -- From: g123curious g123curious@ This is why I stopped watching Lost over a season ago. It's storylines/plots are not about resolving anything, but they are more about even more ludicrous plot twists and turns to keep you hooked (to reel in the ad dollars). You might as well watch Guiding Light, As the World Turns, General Hospital, or any of the other daytime soaps. No difference in quality... and IMHO, Lost is terrible sci- fi. George - - - - - - Someone *please* explain to me what's going on with Lost? The season finale raised more questions than it answered. Where is this island? What's the deal? Who and what are the Others? I'm--ahem!--lost! SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups
[scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF??
well, I haven't really gone to the http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ before this morning. Commercials for the foundation that sponsored the hatches have been dropped into the Lost episodes. If you watch the small print, you see that the commercials are sponsored by ABC tv--a real give-away. A few days before the last 3 episodes aired, the producers announced that they were going to be dropping clues---even in the commercials. (So that TiVo viewers and DVD viewers would be at a disadvantage.) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good points tying in Walt's abilities and Clair's baby, which that one fortune teller said had some major mojo. Then I wonder why the Others will do so much evil if they're the Good guys as Henry said? Yeah, there's still mystery left. I just can't say being interested in the one plot past three years. B5 was able to do a five-year run, but they also had several storylines that ran that time, not just one: the Presidential assassination, Psi Corps, the rogue telepaths, the Shadow War and the final resolution of the First Ones, the battle with Earth Gov, the Centauri-Narn war. Lots of things. Can you give me more info on advertisements being used to reveal plot points of Lost? I've never noticed that. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of md_moore42 Sent: Saturday, 27 May, 2006 01:02 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF?? What we would call psychic, I guess is a better term. There was Ethan telling Locke that he was actually one of 'the Others'. And Locke does have an amazing ability to heal himself. But Locke is too old to adjust to a new life. The Others wanted Claire's baby, I think, because he also might be one of them. There's Walt, who Michael was warned always gets his way. When Walt wanted his mother's attention and didn't get it, she began to get sick. One of the things that the Others ask Michael was if Walt was able to show up where he wasn't expected to be. Do they think that he can teleport? Or induce visions? Perhaps the magnetic heart of the island is changing the islanders. Yeah, it's impossible--but we are talking television here. Does anybody there believe in science? We may be talking about ratings vs plans here. The writers/director/producer is talking 5 years. They want to make megabucks in syndication. The show may only last 3 years. As I remember, B5 had a 5-year plan also. When they ran into ratings trouble, the writer/director accelerated his plans. They have successfully woven plot elements (like the wheelchair seen in episode 1 and not explained until episode 4) into earlier shows. I guess that I am still loving the surprise I get when I see an earlier prop become pivitol to the story. I am a newbie after all. What worries me is the need to weave commercials into the story now. I know that this is for the advertizers. But it will tempt them to make the story even denser if hints can be stowed into adverts. Even though, so far, they are obvious hints. The ads are explicitly for the show. The temptation will be to add a hint into a normal ad. Instead of a product/prop as we see in the movies, we will have a car ad with a plot device hidden in the scenery that the car passes. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Good point comparing it to B5, but even B5 had other storylines going. I love Lost, but I do feel that three seasons is about the max it can (or should) go. I just don't see people sitting around until 2008 or later discussing the hatch, the Others, is it a dream, Purgatory, a lab, etc. And that's not a condemnation of long-running shows. Like I said, though, shows like 24 or The X-Files wove other plots into the series to keep our interests, with 24 of course changing dangers every season. I just fear that if Lost doesn't answer all the questions next season it'll fall off precipitously among the viewers, and that I'd hate to see. What about the Others makes you think they're psychic? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of md_moore42 Sent: Friday, 26 May, 2006 16:53 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF?? I don't know. I enjoyed the last show of the season. I had not watched the show at all until a friend recommended it. I saw the package on Netflix and tried it and was hooked. I like the way that they manage to take the story in new directions that don't follow standard network TV expectations. According to the extras on the DVD package, the authors sat down with the original plane crash story and came up with 5-years worth of stories. You don't think that they can make it? The Others have always come off
[scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF??
One more multi-media tie-in. The Science Fiction book club has a book that was authored by a writer who was on flight Oceania whatever that disappeared. The web site warns visitors about the lies presented in the book. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good points tying in Walt's abilities and Clair's baby, which that one fortune teller said had some major mojo. Then I wonder why the Others will do so much evil if they're the Good guys as Henry said? Yeah, there's still mystery left. I just can't say being interested in the one plot past three years. B5 was able to do a five-year run, but they also had several storylines that ran that time, not just one: the Presidential assassination, Psi Corps, the rogue telepaths, the Shadow War and the final resolution of the First Ones, the battle with Earth Gov, the Centauri-Narn war. Lots of things. Can you give me more info on advertisements being used to reveal plot points of Lost? I've never noticed that. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of md_moore42 Sent: Saturday, 27 May, 2006 01:02 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF?? What we would call psychic, I guess is a better term. There was Ethan telling Locke that he was actually one of 'the Others'. And Locke does have an amazing ability to heal himself. But Locke is too old to adjust to a new life. The Others wanted Claire's baby, I think, because he also might be one of them. There's Walt, who Michael was warned always gets his way. When Walt wanted his mother's attention and didn't get it, she began to get sick. One of the things that the Others ask Michael was if Walt was able to show up where he wasn't expected to be. Do they think that he can teleport? Or induce visions? Perhaps the magnetic heart of the island is changing the islanders. Yeah, it's impossible--but we are talking television here. Does anybody there believe in science? We may be talking about ratings vs plans here. The writers/director/producer is talking 5 years. They want to make megabucks in syndication. The show may only last 3 years. As I remember, B5 had a 5-year plan also. When they ran into ratings trouble, the writer/director accelerated his plans. They have successfully woven plot elements (like the wheelchair seen in episode 1 and not explained until episode 4) into earlier shows. I guess that I am still loving the surprise I get when I see an earlier prop become pivitol to the story. I am a newbie after all. What worries me is the need to weave commercials into the story now. I know that this is for the advertizers. But it will tempt them to make the story even denser if hints can be stowed into adverts. Even though, so far, they are obvious hints. The ads are explicitly for the show. The temptation will be to add a hint into a normal ad. Instead of a product/prop as we see in the movies, we will have a car ad with a plot device hidden in the scenery that the car passes. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Good point comparing it to B5, but even B5 had other storylines going. I love Lost, but I do feel that three seasons is about the max it can (or should) go. I just don't see people sitting around until 2008 or later discussing the hatch, the Others, is it a dream, Purgatory, a lab, etc. And that's not a condemnation of long-running shows. Like I said, though, shows like 24 or The X-Files wove other plots into the series to keep our interests, with 24 of course changing dangers every season. I just fear that if Lost doesn't answer all the questions next season it'll fall off precipitously among the viewers, and that I'd hate to see. What about the Others makes you think they're psychic? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of md_moore42 Sent: Friday, 26 May, 2006 16:53 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF?? I don't know. I enjoyed the last show of the season. I had not watched the show at all until a friend recommended it. I saw the package on Netflix and tried it and was hooked. I like the way that they manage to take the story in new directions that don't follow standard network TV expectations. According to the extras on the DVD package, the authors sat down with the original plane crash story and came up with 5-years worth of stories. You don't think that they can make it? The Others have always come off as mentally psychic, advanced people---the next stage in human evolution. They are desperately trying to gather in all of their own that they can find. I think that they do see themselves as the good guys. I see the story about the hatch as an independent storyline that they plan
[scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF??
I don't know. I enjoyed the last show of the season. I had not watched the show at all until a friend recommended it. I saw the package on Netflix and tried it and was hooked. I like the way that they manage to take the story in new directions that don't follow standard network TV expectations. According to the extras on the DVD package, the authors sat down with the original plane crash story and came up with 5-years worth of stories. You don't think that they can make it? The Others have always come off as mentally psychic, advanced people---the next stage in human evolution. They are desperately trying to gather in all of their own that they can find. I think that they do see themselves as the good guys. I see the story about the hatch as an independent storyline that they plan to weave into the story of the others as things progress. The American market has been more accepting of a season-long story lately. Maybe because of Cable-TV. I remember when friends told me that they hated B5 and DS9 because you couldn't miss an episode. They preferred the days when they could drop in on a television show and not have to know what happened 2 weeks before. Except for sit- coms, those days are gone. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm not to that point, but I can see why you are. There's a really fine line between skilled suspenseful plot development, and dragging out a plot for profit.I don't think Lost is there yet, but I do think one more season is all it needs to go. After that it's just too much to keep asking fans to be on the edge of our seats, guessing, wondering, as the mysteries slowly unfold. Now I love Lost. And Prison Break is another show with the same issue, though a different focus. Each slowly lets out clues over a long period of time. Prison Break now has the guys on the run. Okay, then let's make season three the concluding series. I think shows like these, that tax your intelligence and patience, are great, but shouldn't drag on aritificially. They should be considered like play in three acts: intro season, main season, and concluding season. Producers behind both Lost and Prison Break have said their shows could go on past three seasons, which bothers me. Three is quit e enough. I wonder: given the public's refound love for these suspense-type shows, coupled with comments like yours showing some don't like this stuff to drag on forever, might Americans be ready for the TV novella? You know, instead of several seasons of plot development, or even one day-long season like 24, create mini-series that are self- contained in less than one season. The shows could begin and end in, say, half a season, to be replaced by the next novella. They could be action, suspense, high drama, etc. It works in Mexico for their soap- opera type novellas. Maybe it'd work here. Surely it can't be worse than all the damn reality shows. And given that most TV series show way less than the old standard of 28 eps per season, maybe the shortened TV novella wouldn't be all that jarring a change. -- Original message -- From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is why I stopped watching Lost over a season ago. It's storylines/plots are not about resolving anything, but they are more about even more ludicrous plot twists and turns to keep you hooked (to reel in the ad dollars). You might as well watch Guiding Light, As the World Turns, General Hospital, or any of the other daytime soaps. No difference in quality... and IMHO, Lost is terrible sci- fi. George - - - - - - Someone *please* explain to me what's going on with Lost? The season finale raised more questions than it answered. Where is this island? What's the deal? Who and what are the Others? I'm--ahem!--lost! SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[scifinoir2] heaven help us
Report: 'Star Trek' set for '08 revival Variety: J.J. Abrams to take the helm LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- More than three years after the last Star Trek movie crashed at the box office, the venerable sci-fi franchise is being revived by the director of the upcoming Mission: Impossible sequel, Daily Variety reported in its Friday edition. The as-yet-untitled Star Trek feature, the 11th since 1979, is aiming for a fall 2008 release through Paramount Pictures, the Viacom Inc. unit looking to restore its box-office luster under new management, the trade paper said. The project will be directed by J.J. Abrams, whose Tom Cruise vehicle Mission: Impossible III will be released by Paramount on May 5. Abrams, famed for producing the TV shows Alias and Lost, will also help write and produce. Daily Variety said the action would center on the early days of Star Trek characters James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock, including their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and first outer-space mission. The paper described Star Trek as Hollywood's most durable performer after James Bond, spawning 10 features that have grossed more than $1 billion and 726 TV episodes from six series. The 10th film, Star Trek: Nemesis, bombed at the box office on its December 2002 release, earning just $43 million in North America. Last year, Viacom-owned broadcast network UPN pulled the plug on the low-rated series Star Trek: Enterprise following a four-season run. Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/21/leisure.startrek.reut/ind ex.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[scifinoir2] Re: The Ten Commandments, just my opinion...
I really hate the deMille version. I liked the version starring Burt Lancaster (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072547/) that I saw on TV in my youth. It was more like the History Channel version mentioned. The History channel has a problem in that they are too timid to challege biblical history however. They have sponsors after all. I remember the Lancaster version because they used some of the scholarship explaining the miracles. This one still had the Red Sea! It's the Reed Sea in the text-- which is more like your neigborhood bayou! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I was surprised by how lame the Ten Commandments is. I mean, I felt that it was going to be lame, but not this lame.. Pharoh can kill the guy who says, we should let Moses go., but he can't kill Moses? He orders that Moses be killed on sight the next time he comes to the Pharaoh, but he's standing there telling the King what he wants after he asked the God to kill the first born? And there's the military guy on his knees, holding his child, looking up to Moses, would you have God kill me too? Knowing that Moses facilitated the murder of my first born son (and you saw the weak emotional set up when Moses was introduced to his friends son. This is Moses, he's a great man...)..I'd have killed Mosess myself..I'm sure that only Pharoh can order the killing, but this is on principle...It would have solved the Pharohs problem.. At least Moses boys kept it real when some of them kept calling him out I like the History Channel (I think it was the History Channel) that debunked the seven plagues and the parting of the Sea of Reeds) . Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Trailer: Hannibal vs Rome movie (Alexander Siddiq of Deep Space 9)
hmm. Hannibal as the 1st George Bush--not pressing the advantage of victory. I guess that they have to tell the story in the language of the audience. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I've seen so far doesn't work for me. . Its going to be broadcasted on BBC in May...you can cut and paste the link in your browser... http://stream.servstream.com/ViewWeb/BBC_Worldwide_General/File/81161.asx?Media=73517. If you could make a difference, what would you do?...Said Kakese Dibinga - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hand-painted African Movie Posters
These were cool, but why did they have to create hand-painted versions of American movies like Raiders? Did the distributors not sell them the one-sheets for the movie? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://laboiteaimages.hautetfort.com/archive/2005/12/13/6-serpents-7- tetes-de-mort-quinze-mains-coupees-et-un-chat-a.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Caper Shows Keep Coming
I remembered Thief just-in-time. I loved it. I love shows that manage to portray ambiguity. The main character is such a mixture of qualities. I even forgive the white wife because he's paid his dues in Homicide. (No, I don't have a problem with mixed families. But it is tiring to see it presented as a problem to be overcome.) I tusseled with the idea of him shooting a character and NOT calling the police, especially since he has a friend on the police force--but we'll see how that goes. Good complication. And hey--it's set in New Orleans and not the french quarter. How can I not give them a chance? They even went to my home town (shreveport) to continue shooting when the hurricane interrupted shooting. Grateful thanks for that. L.A. is not La. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, now there are three shows on TV dealing with folks who steal or hustle for a living: Hustle on AMC, Heist on NBC, and Thief, premiering tonight on FX. One interesting thing to note: two of the shows have Black male leads who run the gangs, while the other, Heist, has a Black prominent in the number two spot. Interesting. Anyone seen these shows? Thoughts? I find Hustle to be fun and engaging. I especially like the idea that so many cops keep trying to take down the leader, Mickey, and none ever succeeds. I also like how the new kid, Danny, keeps trying to both gain Mickey's respect, and take the lady who has a thing for him. Good show. Heist has a likeable cast, but I found the first show to be a little typical. Seemed a little too self-consciously clever for its own good, without the smooth, easy self-confidence evident in Hustle. Haven't watched Thief yet (recording it now), but hey, it's got Andre Braugher, one of the best actors TV's ever seen. I have high hopes. It's getting good reviews too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Headline : AOL Vows to Institute Fee-Based Service
Headline : AOL Vows to Institute Fee-Based Service from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_hi_te/e_mail_rebellion Explain this line of thought to me from the article --- If they (system filters) start interfering with the delivery of legitimate mail, I don't think AOL subscribers are going to tolerate it, said David Sorkin of the Center for Information Technology and Privacy Law at John Marshall Law School in Chicago. He discounted the likelihood of legal action against AOL. Courts have ruled that an e-mail provider is not a government body and therefore can't be sued for violating First Amendment rights of free speech. Only government bodies can be sued for 1st Admendment curtailment?? Huh? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Monty Python on PBS
Yes, I saw the one on Graham Chapman who I loved in Life of Brian. And in the Holy Grail movie. Wonderful stuff. They were surprisingly frank about his drinking. Oh, how I wish that someone was making movies with that type of wit now. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This ought to be interesting. I was home sick today, but unfortunately worked the whole time. Other than a great four-hour block of Star Trek, what kept me going today was watching an episode of Python on BBC America. It was hilarious, with an alien spacecraft turning people into Scotsman who then marched off to the music of bagpipes. The aliens were sentient (spelling sucks here) blamoches? I think that's some kind of dessert like a soufflé? After almost four decades, Monty Python still makes me laugh so hard I cry. And as always, my wife just sits there staring at me in bemusement, not getting it at all. But what does she know: she actually liked Benny Hill! http://www.pbs.org/montypython/ http://www.pbs.org/montypython/ http://www.pbs.org/montypython/locallistings_personalbest.html Monty Python's Personal Best, a series of six outrageous one-hour specials showcasing the groundbreaking comedians with new footage and original clips, will premiere on PBS February 22, 2006. Each episode will include members of the original Monty Python troupe performing in favorite clips from their unorthodox television series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, repurposed with exclusive new material. Each of the five living Pythons John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones and Michael Palin produced and wrote his own episode, and collaborated to create the sixth special in honor of deceased member Graham Chapman. The episodes will air over a three week period in two-hour blocks on PBS on February 22, March 1 and March 8. The Pythons burst onto the scene in October 1969 when Monty Python's Flying Circus debuted in Britain on the BBC to a startled UK audience. The series' 45 episodes ran until December 1974. American audiences were first introduced to such phrases as nudge, nudge, wink, wink, naughty bits and nobody expects the Spanish inquisition! when local PBS stations obtained broadcast rights to the series in 1974. The series returns to PBS in April 2006. Monty Python's Personal Best and Monty Python's Flying Circus are produced by Python (Monty) Pictures, Ltd. The official Monty Python Web site is http://www.pythonline.com/ www.pythonline.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: WTF?--Passions coming to Sci Fi Channel
Yeah, I remember sitting in a doctor's office and being amused at this one. I wondered what happened to it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I saw adds for Passions all last week, and was thinking it was a new series. My Comcast episode description likened it to Dark Shadows, so I *really felt it was something new, despite the images of young hard bodies I saw on the trailers. Little did I know it's reruns of that crazy soap from NBC! Why?? I know next to nothing about that old show, though I think there was an evil lady who was a witch of some sort, and I think her assistant was a little person who might have been a doll she brought to life. Needless to say, the VCR won't be set for this one! http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=12919 http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3? event_id=12919date=02/6/2006 date=02/6/2006 SCI FI Channel brings old episodes of NBC's supernatural soap opera Passions to SCI FI's morning schedule five days a week, starting February 6, 2006. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: WTF?--Passions coming to Sci Fi Channel
Truth to be told, Dark Shadows was the same. I used to run home from school to see it. I was a true fan, as in fanatic. Then the SF channel showed them (or it may have been USA channel). O-M-G, they were awful. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had the misfortune to suffer through this once, when I was sick in bed and couldn't find the remote. It's a perfect fit for SciFi. Mindless script, banal acting, interspersions of useless comedy. Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing it's still on. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, md_moore42 md_moore42@ wrote: Yeah, I remember sitting in a doctor's office and being amused at this one. I wondered what happened to it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Huh? I saw adds for Passions all last week, and was thinking it was a new series. My Comcast episode description likened it to Dark Shadows, so I *really felt it was something new, despite the images of young hard bodies I saw on the trailers. Little did I know it's reruns of that crazy soap from NBC! Why?? I know next to nothing about that old show, though I think there was an evil lady who was a witch of some sort, and I think her assistant was a little person who might have been a doll she brought to life. Needless to say, the VCR won't be set for this one! http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=12919 http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3? event_id=12919date=02/6/2006 date=02/6/2006 SCI FI Channel brings old episodes of NBC's supernatural soap opera Passions to SCI FI's morning schedule five days a week, starting February 6, 2006. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Top Ten Sci-Fi Films That Never Existed
Well, this was fun. Some stuff I agree with--definitely on the decline of the Star Wars movies. Why go back, indeed? Leave that for the novelists. The time for SnowCrash has probably passed. And I don't think that the target age group has the literary background to have that a-ha moment when you put your memories of ancient myths together with what he's doing. I'd say the same thing about Crowley's Little, Big. And spot-on with the Matrix. I liked seeing a future that included Black folks, but once we learned that this is a story that repeats itself over and over--what was the point? And Neo is not Krishna returning to redeem us; he's just playing a part in play that is presented every weekend and twice on sundays. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/scifi.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Serenity
Yeah, I mentioned that I finally got a chance to see it on DVD a few weeks ago. I loved it. In my case, it came out during Katrina and no theatres were open down here. Even though I lost some favorite characters, I appreciated that no characters were safe. I can't imagine ST doing the same. (Hey--I always thought that they should have left Spock dead for one entire movie, in order to highten the joy of getting him back.) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Leslee Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally got a chance to see this, and cannot believe that it did not do better at the box office. I really enjoyed it! It was nothing like my other 2 shows, and the cowboy talk got a little irritating, as I hate Westerns, but I enjoyed the heck out of it. Anyone other than Keith get a chance to see it yet? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Joss Whedon Eyes the Future of TV
I rented and finally got a chance to see Serenity this past weekend. Whedon surprised me. Unlike the ST movies, he went all out; no character was safe from dying. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/?cmsGuid=%7BCDE83132-DDF2-48F9- 9DD7-AA5381BCC22F%7D Guest Columnist Joss Whedon Eyes the Future of TV Many people have asked me, Joss, what is the future of television? What will we watch? And how will we watch it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Alexander Siddig Talks New Movie and Post-TREK Typecasting
I guess that the Mexican population and other folk from Central American were lucky to have such a large population base that they rarely had to change their name. Although, listening to some comedians, I guess there is always pressure to blend in. To be Spanish and not Mexican. Your mention of Dallas makes me wonder what will happen in New Orleans with our new Mexican population. (We always had a Central American population.) I hope we can practice some tzim-tzum--to contract a bit in order to let someone else grow. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fascinating, especially your experience with your Jewish friends. I personally didn't know any Jews until I moved here to Atlanta, which has a large population and a proud history of its Jewish population. Back in Dallas-Fort Worth when I was growing up, the problems were among whites, Blacks, and Mexicans. In the late '70s to mid-80s that expanded with the large influx of Vietnamese and Cambodians fleeing Asia, and then with the Arab population's growth. At any rate, I guess I can understand why fear for your life and livelihood would make you want to hide what you are. Frankly, I'm glad I don't have the option. I'd like to hear more about your being Black and Jewish. Born that way, or a choice made in your adult life? -- Original message -- From: md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your comment is interesting because I am both Black and Jewish. I remember having that impression about my white Jewish friends. I've been disuaded from that in talking to them--at least the ones from the South. All of them grew up with this fear of their (mainly) Catholic neighbors. Nervousness that people would realize that they were Jewish; Nervousness that people knew that they were Jewish. Some of the parents had to pull their kids out of schools were they were harassed because they were Jewish. I still have this unbelieving stance about how bad it was for them; I still feel like they could melt into the majority. But I can't ignore their own impressions of their life. It's obvious to me that names mean more in the white community than in the Black community. I've had times when my white writing group told me that they didn't know a character was Black because they had an Irish name or some other white name. And I have to keep explaining that Black folks can have almost any name; it's a heritage of being owned. On the other hand, it was initially amazing to me to see that within their own community, they could know a person's heritage based on the name. It never occurred to me to connect the two. So when they tell me that neighbors knew that they were Jewish because of their name, I would think 'uhh?' because I knew Blacks with the same name. I guess that I would assume Muslim with a name like Siddig. But that could be Pakistan (like my former co-worker) or Sudan (like the actor in question) or African-american. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were judging at all. You said nothing to that effect. I was actually speaking for myself, thinking out loud. I've often thought on those who can change their name--or look-- to fit into the white man's world better. Growing up in Texas, for example, I went to school with lots of Mexicans whose parents changed the pronunciation of their names to sound Anglicized. For example, pronouncing a name like garCIa as GARcia, or marQUEZ to sound like marKWEZ. Frankly I tended to view that with a bit of scorn. There were even some light-skinned Mexicans who carefully didn't mention their heritage at all. Later, marrying into a white family helped cement the transition to American in their minds. I don't know. Maybe if I'd been able to pass in the tough world, I've have been tempted, but you can't mistake me as anything but Black. I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeatig. Years ago, the comic Static dealt with a Black youth and the Jewish girl he loved. His Black father spoke of how the girl was confused in a world where she could cover up her heritage (since she basically looked Western European) if she wanted. He mentioned that many Jews could do so-- if they wanted to. And he wondered if Blacks envied Jews and others who could at least have the option to hide among whites. At the very same time, the Jewish girl was having a conversation with her father. Her father wanted her to understand why so many Blacks seemed angry at other races who tried to blend completely into American white society. He mused that most Blacks by nature of their skin color couldn't even try to hide what they were. But, that made them stronger, as they couldn't run from their problems, couldn't give in. And he wondered
[scifinoir2] Re: Alexander Siddig Talks New Movie and Post-TREK Typecasting
Your comment is interesting because I am both Black and Jewish. I remember having that impression about my white Jewish friends. I've been disuaded from that in talking to them--at least the ones from the South. All of them grew up with this fear of their (mainly) Catholic neighbors. Nervousness that people would realize that they were Jewish; Nervousness that people knew that they were Jewish. Some of the parents had to pull their kids out of schools were they were harassed because they were Jewish. I still have this unbelieving stance about how bad it was for them; I still feel like they could melt into the majority. But I can't ignore their own impressions of their life. It's obvious to me that names mean more in the white community than in the Black community. I've had times when my white writing group told me that they didn't know a character was Black because they had an Irish name or some other white name. And I have to keep explaining that Black folks can have almost any name; it's a heritage of being owned. On the other hand, it was initially amazing to me to see that within their own community, they could know a person's heritage based on the name. It never occurred to me to connect the two. So when they tell me that neighbors knew that they were Jewish because of their name, I would think 'uhh?' because I knew Blacks with the same name. I guess that I would assume Muslim with a name like Siddig. But that could be Pakistan (like my former co-worker) or Sudan (like the actor in question) or African-american. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were judging at all. You said nothing to that effect. I was actually speaking for myself, thinking out loud. I've often thought on those who can change their name--or look--to fit into the white man's world better. Growing up in Texas, for example, I went to school with lots of Mexicans whose parents changed the pronunciation of their names to sound Anglicized. For example, pronouncing a name like garCIa as GARcia, or marQUEZ to sound like marKWEZ. Frankly I tended to view that with a bit of scorn. There were even some light-skinned Mexicans who carefully didn't mention their heritage at all. Later, marrying into a white family helped cement the transition to American in their minds. I don't know. Maybe if I'd been able to pass in the tough world, I've have been tempted, but you can't mistake me as anything but Black. I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeatig. Years ago, the comic Static dealt with a Black youth and the Jewish girl he loved. His Black father spoke of how the girl was confused in a world where she could cover up her heritage (since she basically looked Western European) if she wanted. He mentioned that many Jews could do so--if they wanted to. And he wondered if Blacks envied Jews and others who could at least have the option to hide among whites. At the very same time, the Jewish girl was having a conversation with her father. Her father wanted her to understand why so many Blacks seemed angry at other races who tried to blend completely into American white society. He mused that most Blacks by nature of their skin color couldn't even try to hide what they were. But, that made them stronger, as they couldn't run from their problems, couldn't give in. And he wondered if some Jews didn't even Blacks for the strength they had to show to deal with that fact. So I'm divided on how I feel about those who can change a name, hair color, eye color, or a history, and then blend in to the general bland homogeneous America. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of md_moore42 Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 15:52 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Alexander Siddig Talks New Movie and Post- TREK Typecasting I'm not judging. I imagined that was the reason. I was wondering if the film industy was less accepting than television, that's all. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to hear it. Syriana's on my list of must-see movies, right up there with another Clooney film, Good Night and Good Luck. I'm glad to see Siddig getting substantive roles. The only other things I've seen him in since DS9 were an episode of the British series MI-5, where he tries to stop a young suicide bomber, and Reign of Fire and Kingdom of Heaven. As for his name, Siddig's given name is Siddig El Fadil. If you watch episodes of DS9 from the first couple of seasons, you'll see him credited as such. He changed his name during that time, obviously to make it easier to work in the film industry. I read an interview with him at the time, in which he said his parents had some problems with it, but that they just had
[scifinoir2] Re: Alexander Siddig Talks New Movie and Post-TREK Typecasting
I'm not judging. I imagined that was the reason. I was wondering if the film industy was less accepting than television, that's all. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to hear it. Syriana's on my list of must-see movies, right up there with another Clooney film, Good Night and Good Luck. I'm glad to see Siddig getting substantive roles. The only other things I've seen him in since DS9 were an episode of the British series MI-5, where he tries to stop a young suicide bomber, and Reign of Fire and Kingdom of Heaven. As for his name, Siddig's given name is Siddig El Fadil. If you watch episodes of DS9 from the first couple of seasons, you'll see him credited as such. He changed his name during that time, obviously to make it easier to work in the film industry. I read an interview with him at the time, in which he said his parents had some problems with it, but that they just had to understand the realities of the world. I guess it'd be easy to sit back and judge him for changing the name of his heritage, but I guess also he has to do what he has to do to get work. At least he didn't completey Anglicize it... -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of md_moore42 Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 01:46 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Alexander Siddig Talks New Movie and Post-TREK Typecasting I finally got a chance to see Syriana last weekend. Wonderful and challanging. And Siddig was excellent in it. I hadn't read this note before and therefore sat next to a friend and suddenly said...I know him! He's from DS9. I went back to imdb.com and I noticed that he's changed his credit/name. Which one is correct? Or rather- -did he adopt his western name for film credits where he was using a traditional name for TV? And hey--the boy is still cute! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://trekweb.com/articles/2005/12/04/439363184d509.shtml In an exclusive interview with ComingSoon.net, STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE actor Alexander Siddig talks about his upcoming movie SYRIANA and his feelings on being typecast because of the character of Doctor Julian Bashir. Here are a few excerpts. CS: What was it about this movie that drew you to do it? Siddig: It would be impossible not to be drawn to this movie as an actor, especially as an Arabic actor or someone who works on the ethnic fringe in a small vein of one of the many seams of acting. To pass up or not be interested in someone who seems normal and real would be crazy. I end up speaking so grandly, when I don't know if I have the right to, but to pass up the diplomatic potential of a character like this would be really foolish. I think whether you're in the Middle East or in Europe or America, you can identify with this person. CS: So being in these two movies, you've kind of escaped the STAR TREK curse. Were you aware that some actors go into STAR TREK and never do anything else? Siddig: Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that. I'm just in a very bizarre niche and there aren't many people you can go to, but I blame Ridley Scott really, because he was the person who went I love STAR TREK and I'd love it if you were in my movie and people like Oliver Stone went I hated STAR TREK, and I don't want you in Alexander! I was really lucky there. But it is Ridley Scott's fault, because he was the one who put me in a grown-up movie. I mean I've been in other movies, but there are different kinds of parts in movies, I found out. There are parts that you can do them all your life, and no one knows you're even acting, and there are other parts which people notice that you're in and you become an actor from the movies and people take you in a whole different way. Whether or not I can keep that ball rolling is another matter. But I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for STAR TREK, so it's pretty great, and it means that I'm a relatively friendly face to a lot of Americans and it's useful for that rather pretentious diplomatic trip I'm on. CS: Any idea what's next for you? Siddig: The thing I'm most interested is about HANNIBAL, an epic about Hannibal, but it's a low budget one. It's not the Vin Diesel one. We've only got one elephant. (Note: That last part was probably a joke.) CS: Have any of the Arab or Palestinian directors come to you to appear in their films? Siddig: They wouldn't come to me yet, because I'm very much a Western actor. Even though I would love to be all kinds of things. I'm definitely a Hollywood person. Not enough yet, but that's where I am. CS: You directed an episode of DEEP SPACE NINE, so would directing be something you'd want to pursue? Siddig: If I'm lucky enough and if I ever get
[scifinoir2] Re: The Nagin Slap (was Who Will Call the Cavalry)
I am going to take back something that I said yesterday. I talked to one of my fellow evac's and he said that Nagin is a creole. However there are many creole factions in New Orleans. He doesn't belong to the same faction as Morial-- the one that I am more familiar with. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did they get the idea that Nagin was creole? He's never claimed that. He's from a different neighborhood and political group than the creoles of N.O. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, hesychastic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hesychastic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: terry scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here below is a rare *smoking gun* -- New Orleans elites already discussing in specific terms their plan to rebuild New Orleans - - with a whole lot less of you-know-who living there. It is nice of them to give us some advance notice so we can HELP STOP THIS DEAD IN ITS TRACKS. Watch now as the Posse Comitatus http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g- cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/PosseComitatus.html gets hastily revisited with broadbased political support. Seldom ever has a vamperialist jack move been more smoothly executed. All via clever and prescient manipulation of fear. It almost inclines the speculatively minded to think that a higher-mind or non- human intelligence is at work in the careful nigh agricultural manipulation of all these effing humans. Oh, and handpicked black turncoats like Nagin will be hand-in-glove complicit in profit taking on the backs of blacks. In one fell swoop, the invisible black poor will transition from refugees, to detainees,to permanent slaves. XM Oops, forgot the link splainin why Ray Nagin gets no ghetto pass and should be shot with hot pee for murderous and treasonous indifference to his poor black constituents. http://cs.redstate.org/print/2005/9/2/152759/6095 a simple google search, Ray Nagin + switched parties will pull up dozens of sites where Nagin's dubious New Orleans token creole credentials can be confirmed. XM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Nagin Slap (was Who Will Call the Cavalry)
Where did they get the idea that Nagin was creole? He's never claimed that. He's from a different neighborhood and political group than the creoles of N.O. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, hesychastic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hesychastic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: terry scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here below is a rare *smoking gun* -- New Orleans elites already discussing in specific terms their plan to rebuild New Orleans - - with a whole lot less of you-know-who living there. It is nice of them to give us some advance notice so we can HELP STOP THIS DEAD IN ITS TRACKS. Watch now as the Posse Comitatus http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g- cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/PosseComitatus.html gets hastily revisited with broadbased political support. Seldom ever has a vamperialist jack move been more smoothly executed. All via clever and prescient manipulation of fear. It almost inclines the speculatively minded to think that a higher-mind or non-human intelligence is at work in the careful nigh agricultural manipulation of all these effing humans. Oh, and handpicked black turncoats like Nagin will be hand-in-glove complicit in profit taking on the backs of blacks. In one fell swoop, the invisible black poor will transition from refugees, to detainees,to permanent slaves. XM Oops, forgot the link splainin why Ray Nagin gets no ghetto pass and should be shot with hot pee for murderous and treasonous indifference to his poor black constituents. http://cs.redstate.org/print/2005/9/2/152759/6095 a simple google search, Ray Nagin + switched parties will pull up dozens of sites where Nagin's dubious New Orleans token creole credentials can be confirmed. XM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Fats Domino missing
Times-Picayune Friday, September 02, 2005 Fats Domino, safe and sound Friday, 3:38 p.m. After being rescued from his flooded home in the Lower 9th Ward and evacuated by boat to the St. Claude Avenue bridge late Monday, New Orleans music legend Fats Domino wound up at the triage unit at the Maravich Assembly Center on the LSU campus in Baton Rouge. But he didn't stay for long. Domino, 77, and members of his family soon relocated to the apartment of LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, a friend of the Domino family. The musician and his entourage spent two days with other New Orleans evacuees at Russell's home, then left Friday afternoon for an undisclosed location. Domino is reluctant to travel outside his hometown for any reason; he famously turned down an invitation from President Clinton to accept an award in Washington, D.C. But he won't be able to return any time soon to his memorabilia- filled home, which likely sustained heavy flood damage. Tell the people of New Orleans that I'm safe, Domino reportedly said as he left the Baton Rouge apartment. I wish I was able to still be there with them, but I hope to see them soon. Copyright 2003 NOLA.com. All Rights Reserved. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a family member saw him being rescued on tv. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
Point taken. However, if all of those trashy Ghetto Love books can sell off trucks, I wouldn't mind seeing some self-directed Black SF. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelly Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with this is amply illustrated on the various black sci- fi and fantasy lists I subscribe to: all the black folks on those lists like sci-fi, fantasy, anime, comic books and horror, but all of those black folks don't like the SAME sci-fi, fantasy, anime, comic books and horror. Tiny as this audience is, it has the nerve to be extremely fractured and segmented. It has become crystal clear that what floats my boat, won't necessarily float anybody else's boat. In fact, sci-fi and fantasy constitutes a very small part of my current reading or viewing. I would much rather read a good detective novel than a good sci-fi book: I am more apt to read Walter Mosley than Brandon Massey. My heavy SF reading was almost a quarter century ago. I remain in these groups because the people I have met there tend to be interesting and intelligent but when it comes to satisfying our diverse tastes, I don't believe we can all get along! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why I mentioned editing and supporting the writers with our cash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: star. You pitch it to the studio . . . and they say no. Just because we write the movie doesn't mean it will get made. I suppose then you could say, Well, we have to make the movie. Uh, okay. I need 100 million dollars. Im taking collections . . . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h0ln570/M=362335.6886444.7839734.2575449/D=groups/S=1705034827:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123300587/A=2894362/R=0/SIG=138c78jl6/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/arts_culture/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Chocolate factory minus the chocolate
The only problem that I see is that every child in that story except Charlie is a self-centered brat. Would we be complaining about that characterization of children of color if they were included? However, in general, I would agree with the writer's criticism. Charlie is somewhat of anomoly in that Charlie is the only good child in the storyline. The other thing is that the movie is a pale reflection of Dahl's own retrograde beliefs. See below. (I had heard that he was anti-semitic. The other is new to me!) From http://www.roalddahlfans.com/faq.php#misc2 Someone told me that Roald Dahl was a racist/AntiSemite. Is this true? I seem to get these questions a lot, and here is a recent answer I sent to a teacher in Wisconsin. No, you're not the first person to notice this trait in Dahl's writing. Since the 70's critics have accused him of being racist, sexist, Anti-Semitic, subversive, and just about everything else you can think of. The first serious attack was raised against him for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which (in the original edition) had the Oompa-Loompas as black pygmies from Africa. Starting with the 1973 edition, these were replaced with the fantastical (white) Oompa-Loompas present in the story today. (The 1971 film bypassed the issue by making them orange.) I've got more information about this here. In Roald Dahl: A Biography Jeremy Treglown notes that later in Dahl's life editors had to continually ask him to modify his stories for an increasingly politically-correct readership. The Fleshlumpeater in The BFG, for example, was originally even more of a black caricature than he is in the current version. The plot of Fantastic Mr. Fox was changed almost completely from Dahl's original draft, which glorified thievery (even more than the one we have now). And women have never fared well in Dahl's stories, from the horrid Aunts Sponge and Spiker from James and the Giant Peach to the freakish and evil Witches to the mannish and violent Trunchbull from Matilda. So you're probably wondering the same thing I am: why do people continue to celebrate this man and his stories? There are a few responses. The primary one (and the ones that his editors used when Charlie was written) is simply that he was a product of a different time and environment and he can't be held entirely responsible for the beliefs he was raised with. An English boarding school at the beginning of the 20th century was not an easy place to survive in, let alone cultivate an appreciation for diversity. After school Dahl went to work in Africa for the Shell Oil Company, back when the British Empire was still strong and colonial attitudes were not as enlightened as they are today. He also suffered incredible tragedies in his life (the death of a daughter, a traumatizing injury to his son, and his wife's debilitating strokes) that destroyed his belief in God and led to many years of bitterness. Of course, knowing why he thought the things he did doesn't really help when the kids are clamoring to hear stories you're uncomfortable reading. Personally, I've been doing this website for over three years and the more I learn about the man, the more ambivalent I feel towards him. But he was a very complicated individual, and there are some things that (for me) help to balance the scale. He was always very kind to children, and despite the fact that adults in his stories never fare well, the good kids are always treated with sensitivity and love (like Danny, Matilda, James, and Charlie). And after his infant son's accident, he worked with an engineer and a neurosurgeon to develop a better and cheaper shunt for children with hydroencephalitis. Once it was patented and approved, they released it to the world and many people still have it in their heads today. He also personally answered every fan letter he received, and in his writing hut still hang some of his favorite correspondence. Basically, my rationale for this website is: when I read the books as a kid, I didn't pick up on any of the bad stuff. I laughed at the jokes and at seeing adults look ridiculous. (To be honest, though, as a white girl in Indiana I might not have been as attuned to racial issues as others.) It wasn't until I re-read the books as an adult that some of the text became distasteful to me. And the myth of Dahl that's been pushed since his death tends to gloss over a lot of this stuff. Publishers paint the guy as a kindly old grandpa and the champion of all underdogs. I just feel that kids need to know about his life and be able to form their own opinions of his work. I guess if you feel the books might introduce negative attitudes to your class, you should talk about it with them. Or, if they're not mature enough for that yet, do what you're doing and skip the bad parts until they can see why they're bad. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI... This appeared on another
[scifinoir2] Re: Science explores 125 big questions that face scientific inquiry
ya' mean that there's more than 42? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sciencemag.org/sciext/125th/ Science explores 125 big questions that face scientific inquiry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Fwd: [LetsHelpEachother] VERIFIED - Urgent -read- groups being deleted
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[scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Reincarnation Status Report and Request
Sign me up as an alpha tester. (Marian) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella \(formerly Tracey L. Minor\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just providing this update. I have the mailing list and the portal installed. I am now in the process of configuring and customizing them. While the list is easy to configure, the portal is a very complicated but feature-rich communication/content application so that will take some time. In the meantime, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in helping me alpha test it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SOnJAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Star wars notes
C'est vrai. But since I started watching the movies when I was in college, I felt obligated to watch the end. And, it's always interesting to see who they think the audience is. We had everything from The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (which I have fond childhood memories of) to a few violet and immediately forgettable action-adventure flicks. And a chick-flick. Other than the C.S. Lewis adaptation, nothing that I want to see. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow, I have the sinking feeling that the end is FAR from sight. With two new series (!!) coming to cable TV, I can see the die-hard fans pushing the franchise on further. No skin off my nose. I don't have to watch any of it. md_moore42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, I went to see the last Star Wars movie last night. sigh I had real troubles staying awake. True, I was just coming from working out--but until the last 30 minutes, it had real trouble holding my attention. The 40/50 year old guy next to me held more interest. Why was he there alone? Was this possibly a single guy? :-) So, the epic is over, Thank G-d. With all of that time, it's amazing how little time they spent on the people. Costumes were nice, battle details were intricate. Relationships were non-existent. I must be grown-up. I was more charmed by seeing an audience of so many fathers with their sons, bless them. - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/S.QlOD/3MnJAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes
(It's the first line that I usually use.) The best thing for being sad is to learn something. That is the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder in your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honour trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then - to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust and never dream of regretting. Look at what a lot of things there are to learn ... astronomy in a lifetime, natural history in three, literature in six. And then, after you have exhausted a million lifetimes in biology and medicine and theo-criticism and geography and history and economics - why, then you can start to make a cartwheel out of the appropriate wood, or spend fifty years learning to begin to learn to beat your adversary and fencing. After that you can start on mathematics, until it is time to learn to plow. - T.H. White (Merlin in The Sword in the Stone) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi SciFiNoir Family: I am compiling quotes for a quote generator that we are installing on the planned portal. Could you guys submit some of your favorites? They can be from any type of speculative fiction genre or media type. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/rkgkPB/UOnJAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
