Re: [scifinoir2] Hello
Hello Shadaneca. welcomed to a great group. --Lavender -- From: shadaneca skm...@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:32 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Hello Hi I'm new. Just wanted to say hey! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] SGU Thoughts
As far as Richard Dean, perhaps he has being dialing up a buffet universe. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] SGU Thoughts Still watching the show, and still enjoying it for the most part. Interesting how dark they're really going. For example, I thought the people back on Earth were pretty damn callous at how they wanted the Destiny crew to try using a star to power the gate. They had this attitude of it's worth the risk, but the passengers and crew weren't so sanguine! There seems to be a lot of sinister things going on behind the scenes, which I guess will be revealed in time. Even Jack O'Neill is given a bit of an edge. When Young first told Jack they were having problems on Destiny, his attitude was Fix it. Of course he's always there for Young when he needs help, but the attitude was a bit offputting to me. Tough love so Young doesn't freak out in the face of impossible odds, perhaps? I also admit that even I now would like to see something in the plots besides the crisis-aboard-ship each week. Are they through with the element-themed shows--Fire, Water, Air, etc? I'm still trying to figure out how the Destiny is supposedly locked into its singular journey across space, its twelve-hour layover limit, yet Rush can at least tell it things like We need to stop to find water. How is it he can communicate that and get a response, but can't say something like Stop the countdown, we have people still not on board!, or, Don't jump yet, our shuttle hasn't returned! ? And, while Destiny is old and locked on a course, its systems failing, I'm not getting why its base programming doesn't force it to stop and re-evaluate things once humans were on board? Shouldn't its prime directive require it to stop and await instructions, instead of kidnapping them on its crazy ride to nowhere? Did the Ancients not build in failsafes and automatic overrides, 'cause I can't get why the ship is still moving on singlemindedly, creating gates along the way and for the most part ignoring the humans? Finally, those consciousness-exchanging co mmunication devices are an awfully convenient plot device, huh? Billions of light years across the galaxy, and they do perfect communications. And are there any protocols established for using the damn things, for respecting the host's body? I mean, Eli and Chloe go out partying in their hosts' bodies, and Chloe even gets hers drunk. What would the hosts think waking up the next morning with a major hangover? And Colonel Young having sex with his estranged wife while in the body of Colonel Telford---huh? Now, while I get that Young would want to get with his ex--she's gorgeous!--isn't it a bit weird to do it in the body of a guy he clearly dislikes? And I don't know about you, but isn't a bit odd to think of your wife *liking* another man's body making love to her? I'm pretty damn sure that, once back on the ship, I'd be thinking about that, and I'd start having real doubts about exactly *who* the wife was reacting to, you know? And, as evidenced by Telford knocking on her door at the end of the show, I'd be *real* concerned she might start liking his *body* regardless of whose mind is in it! And one last thing--what the hell has Richard Dean Anderson been eating in the last couple of years??
Re: [scifinoir2] SyFy - New name, same problems
Is it me or is it that I never seen any ghost of that show or anything that would be considered a situation where the person could not or should not stay in the house. But no offense I seen more action in a Scooby Doo episode then this show in one season. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:04 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] SyFy - New name, same problems Again, we must complain about SyFy's programming choices. Here we are, with Halloween on a Saturday. A perfect opportunity to pull out some great horror and scifi flicks. Maybe show Dog Soldiers--one of the best movies they air-- at a time other than 1 am. Perhaps an all day marathon of something like The Dresden Files, which after all deals with the supernatural. Handpick eps of Enterprise, Eureka, Warehouse 13, etc. that are spooky Hell, I'd even accept--reluctantly--a rerunning of something moderately entertaining like Stephen King's Storm of the Century. How about a miniseries like Tin Man. But what do we get instead? Fu*ing Ghost Hunters, all freakin' day, from 9 am to 7 pm EST, capped off by something called Ghost Hunters Live Halloween for the following *five* hours! Who in the name of Jehosaphat is programming this network? and why in god's name is Ghost Hunters aired so much? There are hours and hours of that crappy show throughout the week. What is the deal?!
Re: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity
Thanks I will look into it. When I was little I would always watch Charlie Brown and then the Garfield cartoon as well. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity Ha-ha! You know how much I love it? I have it on tape, and I *still* watch it on TV! Another really, really good Halloween related cartoon is The Halloween Tree, based on a Ray Bradbury work. It's about a group of kids who magically travel through time to chase and retrieve the spirit of their dying friend. They need to retrieve the spirit in order to save him from a mysterious man who wants to claim it for his own. It's a haunting movie, especially for an American-made cartoon. At one point, the boy's spirit intones I'm fading away, and it's genuinely disturbing to see what may be him slipping to his death. The polar opposite of the fun and kid-friendly Charlie Brown 'toon, with a dark and gloomy look that fits the subject matter, this is a great Halloween-themed cartoon. I highly recommend seeking it out. Here's a long clip at You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqgidFIHw8 - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:59:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity OK I am late, I only watched It's The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown for the 32nd time. I am 31 and by the time this email is posted it would have already came on twice already. I plan on sitting in a pumpkin patch waiting for the great pumpkin if he shows up--I mean when he shows up LOL --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity Being too lazy to Google, i want to ask who is Jimmy Spelling? And to what is Einstein's earning attributed? Did his widow or first wife secure any rights to anything earned through his name? Does his estate make money somehow (I'm thinking of all those t-shirts with his mug, sticking is tongue out, are those copyrwrited?) I will say, Dr. Seuss deserves to be on the list, as does Charles Schulz. I watched It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown this week on ABC, which makes, oh, I guess the thirty-seventh or thirty-eighth straight year i've done so. I love A Charlie Brown Christmas even more, but haven't watched it the last two years. Deaths in my wife's and my families made it too hard to watch, as both of us were hit by memories of loved ones gone with whom we used to enjoy it. But Imma assay to watch it again this Christmas: the season just ain't right without Charlie sticking up for the real meaning of Christmas! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:45:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity I love Forbe's richest dead celebrity list. Dead people making more coin that living peoples appeals to both my sense of the macabre and my sense of paradox. (I would scratch Yves Saint Laurent from this list because (a) he lives on as a corporate entity (b) the bulk of the $350 million was not earned from creative work Laurent did while he was alive and (c) Laurent is not a celebrity. I'm just sayin.'). ~rave! Jackson third richest dead celebrity (UKPA) – 2 hours ago Despite raking in millions of dollars through the sale of rights to footage of his final rehearsals, Michael Jackson is not the top-earning dead celebrity, a new survey has found. Forbes magazine puts the former King of Pop in third place behind Yves Saint Laurent and composing duo Rodgers and Hammerstein ($235 million). The fashion designer earned 350 million dollars (£214 million) over the past year, dwarfing the 90 million dollars (£55 million) taken in by the Jackson estate. Laurent, who died of brain cancer in 2008, appears at the top of the index largely due to an auction of artwork including paintings by Mondrian and Matisse that he once owned. The bulk of Jackson's posthumous cash came through selling the rights to This Is It, a film based on rehearsal footage for what would have been his comeback concerts in London. Forbes estimates that this income was bumped up by the sale of around 9 million albums and 5.5 millions digital downloads since his death in June. Elvis Presley came in fourth in the list, making 55 million dollars (£34 million) over the last 12 months. 1. Yves Saint Laurent ($350 mil) 2. Rogers and Hammerstein ($235 mil) 3. Michael Jackson ($90 mil) 4. Elvis Presley ($55 mil) 5. J.R.R. Tolkien ($50) 6. Charles Schulz ($35) 7. John Lennon ($15) 8. Dr. Seuss ($15) 9. Albert Einstein ($10) 10. Michael Cricton ($9) 11. Aaron Spelling ($8) 12. Jimi Spelling ($8) 13. Andy Warhol ($6)
Re: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity
OK I am late, I only watched It's The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown for the 32nd time. I am 31 and by the time this email is posted it would have already came on twice already. I plan on sitting in a pumpkin patch waiting for the great pumpkin if he shows up--I mean when he shows up LOL --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity Being too lazy to Google, i want to ask who is Jimmy Spelling? And to what is Einstein's earning attributed? Did his widow or first wife secure any rights to anything earned through his name? Does his estate make money somehow (I'm thinking of all those t-shirts with his mug, sticking is tongue out, are those copyrwrited?) I will say, Dr. Seuss deserves to be on the list, as does Charles Schulz. I watched It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown this week on ABC, which makes, oh, I guess the thirty-seventh or thirty-eighth straight year i've done so. I love A Charlie Brown Christmas even more, but haven't watched it the last two years. Deaths in my wife's and my families made it too hard to watch, as both of us were hit by memories of loved ones gone with whom we used to enjoy it. But Imma assay to watch it again this Christmas: the season just ain't right without Charlie sticking up for the real meaning of Christmas! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:45:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Jackson third richest dead celebrity I love Forbe's richest dead celebrity list. Dead people making more coin that living peoples appeals to both my sense of the macabre and my sense of paradox. (I would scratch Yves Saint Laurent from this list because (a) he lives on as a corporate entity (b) the bulk of the $350 million was not earned from creative work Laurent did while he was alive and (c) Laurent is not a celebrity. I'm just sayin.'). ~rave! Jackson third richest dead celebrity (UKPA) – 2 hours ago Despite raking in millions of dollars through the sale of rights to footage of his final rehearsals, Michael Jackson is not the top-earning dead celebrity, a new survey has found. Forbes magazine puts the former King of Pop in third place behind Yves Saint Laurent and composing duo Rodgers and Hammerstein ($235 million). The fashion designer earned 350 million dollars (£214 million) over the past year, dwarfing the 90 million dollars (£55 million) taken in by the Jackson estate. Laurent, who died of brain cancer in 2008, appears at the top of the index largely due to an auction of artwork including paintings by Mondrian and Matisse that he once owned. The bulk of Jackson's posthumous cash came through selling the rights to This Is It, a film based on rehearsal footage for what would have been his comeback concerts in London. Forbes estimates that this income was bumped up by the sale of around 9 million albums and 5.5 millions digital downloads since his death in June. Elvis Presley came in fourth in the list, making 55 million dollars (£34 million) over the last 12 months. 1. Yves Saint Laurent ($350 mil) 2. Rogers and Hammerstein ($235 mil) 3. Michael Jackson ($90 mil) 4. Elvis Presley ($55 mil) 5. J.R.R. Tolkien ($50) 6. Charles Schulz ($35) 7. John Lennon ($15) 8. Dr. Seuss ($15) 9. Albert Einstein ($10) 10. Michael Cricton ($9) 11. Aaron Spelling ($8) 12. Jimi Spelling ($8) 13. Andy Warhol ($6)
Re: [scifinoir2] SGU this week
I agree. My roommate told me about this show and your point is very valid. In other sci fi shows you would be passing out and going crazy with lack of oxygen and over the idea of becoming close to the sun. I understand there are those who might be needing their stargate fix. However so far I don't see how it is stargate. I mean if you take the gate out what do you really have? --Lavender If you sit long enough you will stand for something. On Oct 25, 2009, at 1:32 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I am having problems with the logic of this show. If you loose power in space shouldn't you loose life support, and gravity too? You should freeze before you bake. Also, if you are taking the most vital supplies you take a cd player, and a book but not enough rations? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] SGU this week
I agree maybe I missed it but if this ship is lost and traveling in space for so long. What makes you think that anyone would see what they are doing. There are many ways to introduce them. It is called just write... --Lavender If you sit long enough you will stand for something. On Oct 25, 2009, at 6:19 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The first episode was pretty good and showed potential, but now it feels like a meandering mess. Two episodes in a row with the use of video to introduce and flesh out characters seems like lazy writing to me. What do you guys think? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SGU this week I'm thinking that it is taking raw plasma in and processing it. Or there may be some sort of rare element that it uses. The ship started running out of juice quickly because they were apparently trying to dial home and a bunch of stuff that wasn't shown on screen. I agree with you on the money aspect for the gravity. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Well, you're right, but the gravity thing is one of those things we have to overlook for scifi shows because of money. Every Trek, BSG, etc. series has this inherent flaw. They simply don't have time/ resources/money to show the truth of gravity fading so that the crew has to float around. That's been done in at least one Trek movie, but most scifi shows just ignore that truth. And who knows: maybe the Destiny has some kind of gravity plating that doesn't require a power source? My biggest issue with the show was why the Destiny allowed itself to get so low on power? all the ship does is travel across space--why didn't it stop and refuel before this point? Surely it doesn't need a particular type of star? Does it matter if a star is yellow, blue- white, red, etc? That made no sense, nor did Dr. Rush not guessing the ship's purpose: I figured out what it was doing as soon as it sped around the gas giant. Were they implying that the ship is storing the star's radiative power, or actually brining in some of its plasma? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:32:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] SGU this week I am having problems with the logic of this show. If you loose power in space shouldn't you loose life support, and gravity too? You should freeze before you bake. Also, if you are taking the most vital supplies you take a cd player, and a book but not enough rations? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
I don't think now TV shows don't even bother with a theme anymore. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies I wonder if today's composers will be thought of with the same affection? Most of the tv show themes just aren't that memorible. Except for Cheers, Friends, and couple of others. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://phaiyap.notlong.com Vic Mizzy, a film and television composer best known for writing the memorable theme songs for the 1960s sit-coms Green Acres and The Addams Family, has died. He was 93. Mizzy died of heart failureSaturday at his home in Bel-Air, said Scott Harper, a friend and fellow composer. A veteran writer of popular songs such as There's a Faraway Look in Your Eye and Pretty Kitty Blue Eyes, Mizzy launched his TV career in 1960 when he was asked to compose music for the dramatic anthology series Moment of Fear. He quickly moved on to score episodes of Shirley Temple's Storybook and The Richard Boone Show and to write the themes for Klondike and the Dennis Weaver series Kentucky Jones. Then came an offbeat assignment: The Addams Family, the 1964-66 TV series based on Charles Addams' macabre magazine cartoons and starring John Astin as Gomez Addams and Carolyn Jones as his wife, Morticia. For his theme song, Mizzy played a harpsichord, which gives the theme its unique flavor. And because the production company, Filmways, refused to pay for singers, Mizzy sang it himself and overdubbed it three times. The song, memorably punctuated by finger-snapping, begins with: They're creepy and they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're altogether ooky: the Addams family. In the 1996 book TV's Biggest Hits: The Story of Television Themes From 'Dragnet' to 'Friends,' author Jon Burlingame writes that Mizzy's musical conception was so specific that he became deeply involved with the filming of the main-title sequence, which involved all seven actors snapping their fingers in carefully timed rhythm to Mizzy's music. For Mizzy, who owned the publishing rights to The Addams Family theme, it was an easy payday. I sat down; I went 'buh-buh-buh-bump [snap-snap], buh-buh-buh-bump, he recalled in a 2008 interview on CBS' Sunday Morning show. That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air. The season after The Addams Family made its debut, Mizzy composed the title song for Green Acres, the 1965-71 rural comedy starring Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor. For Green Acres, Burlingame observed in his book, Mizzy again conceived the title song as intertwined with the visuals of the show's title sequence and telling the story of wealthy Oliver and Lisa Douglas moving from New York to a farm in the country. Burlingame on Monday described the themes for The Addams Family and Green Acres as two of the best-remembered sitcom themes of all time. Vic was an old-school songwriter who believed in melody and hummability, Burlingame said. He thought that people ought to be able to easily remember a theme. Vic was one of the wittiest composers I ever met, and he had an uncanny ability to incorporate his own personal sense of humor into his music. Mizzy's use of bass harmonica and fuzz guitar in the music of Green Acres, for example, was somehow perfect for that show's setting, and it only added to the humor of the situations, Burlingame said. In the case of The Addams Family, he said, you've got the harpsichord, which lends this antique, sort of macabre quality to the theme. But then you add the lyrics, which make it funny. So you have the perfect combination of macabre and amusing. It was just right for that show's sensibility. Mizzy's many TV credits include writing the themes for Phyllis Diller's 1966-67 sitcom The Pruitts of Southampton and The Don Rickles Show (1968-69), for which Mizzy also conducted the orchestra. Among his movie credits as a composer are the Don Knotts comedies The Ghost and Mr. Chicken, The Reluctant Astronaut, The Shakiest Gun in the West, The Love God? and How to Frame a Figg. Born in Brooklyn on Jan. 9, 1916, Mizzy learned to play the piano as a child. While he was a student at New York University, he and his friend Irving Taylor began writing songs and sketches for variety shows. They appeared on radio's Major Bowes' Original Amateur Hour and won an amateur contest on the Fred Allen show. The team's first published song was Your Heart Rhymes with Mine. Mizzy, who served four years in the Navy during World War II, had a number of hits with Taylor, including Three Little Sisters and Take It Easy. Under a later partnership with Mann Curtis, Mizzy had hits such as My Dreams Are Getting Better All the Time, The Whole World Is Singing My Song and The Jones Boy. Mizzy is survived by
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
Oh that brings back so many memories. I loved that show. I also remember the theme to Married with Children. Oh the days of good shows... --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies We may be a post theme song lyrics society. Remember the theme song for Gary Shandling's sitcom (1986)?: This is the theme to Garry's Show, The theme to Garry's show. Garry called me up and asked if I would right his theme song. I'm almost halfway finished, How do you like it so far, How do you like the theme to Garry's Show. This is the theme to Garry's Show, The opening theme to Garry's show. This is the music that you hear as you watch the credits. We're almost to the part of where I start to whistle. Then we'll watch It's Garry Shandling's Show. This was the theme to Garry Shandling's show. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: True, and I do enjoy Eureka's theme. But most shows don't have lyrics anymore. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: The Stargates have theme music, as do Eureka, Sanctuary, and Primeval. Almost all animated TV series have theme music (I love Danny Phantom's). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:26:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies Yea, I had a hard time coming up with themes from the newer shows. BSG, CSI were the only ones that I could think of. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: I love this line: That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air. On a related note, I hate that TV series theme songs are becoming so rare nowadays. So many shows just slap out a quick tune and then cut to commercial. It's not just theme songs with vocals that are disappearing; it's also the ones with longer musical scores. Aside from Law and Order, and a couple others, I can scare think of any show where the theme music is a big part of it. Corny as many were back in the day, you can't deny that the theme songs for everything from The Brady Bunch to Gilligan's Island, from Star Trek to The Beverly Hillbillies stay with you. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:07:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies http://phaiyap.notlong.com Vic Mizzy, a film and television composer best known for writing the memorable theme songs for the 1960s sit-coms Green Acres and The Addams Family, has died. He was 93. Mizzy died of heart failureSaturday at his home in Bel-Air, said Scott Harper, a friend and fellow composer. A veteran writer of popular songs such as There's a Faraway Look in Your Eye and Pretty Kitty Blue Eyes, Mizzy launched his TV career in 1960 when he was asked to compose music for the dramatic anthology series Moment of Fear. He quickly moved on to score episodes of Shirley Temple's Storybook and The Richard Boone Show and to write the themes for Klondike and the Dennis Weaver series Kentucky Jones. Then came an offbeat assignment: The Addams Family, the 1964-66 TV series based on Charles Addams' macabre magazine cartoons and starring John Astin as Gomez Addams and Carolyn Jones as his wife, Morticia. For his theme song, Mizzy played a harpsichord, which gives the theme its unique flavor. And because the production company, Filmways, refused to pay for singers, Mizzy sang it himself and overdubbed it three times. The song, memorably punctuated by finger-snapping, begins with: They're creepy and they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're altogether ooky: the Addams family. In the 1996 book TV's Biggest Hits: The Story of Television Themes From 'Dragnet' to 'Friends,' author Jon Burlingame writes that Mizzy's musical conception was so specific that he became deeply involved with the filming of the main-title sequence, which involved all seven actors snapping their fingers in carefully timed rhythm to Mizzy's music. For Mizzy, who owned the publishing rights to The Addams Family theme, it was an easy payday. I sat down; I went 'buh-buh-buh-bump [snap-snap], buh-buh-buh-bump, he recalled in a 2008 interview on CBS' Sunday Morning show. That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air. The season after The Addams Family made its debut, Mizzy composed the title song for Green Acres, the
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
Oh here is the video for the song by the way http://www.retrojunk.com/tv/videos/1054-its-garry-shandlingss-show/3140/#intro --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies We may be a post theme song lyrics society. Remember the theme song for Gary Shandling's sitcom (1986)?: This is the theme to Garry's Show, The theme to Garry's show. Garry called me up and asked if I would right his theme song. I'm almost halfway finished, How do you like it so far, How do you like the theme to Garry's Show. This is the theme to Garry's Show, The opening theme to Garry's show. This is the music that you hear as you watch the credits. We're almost to the part of where I start to whistle. Then we'll watch It's Garry Shandling's Show. This was the theme to Garry Shandling's show. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: True, and I do enjoy Eureka's theme. But most shows don't have lyrics anymore. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: The Stargates have theme music, as do Eureka, Sanctuary, and Primeval. Almost all animated TV series have theme music (I love Danny Phantom's). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:26:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies Yea, I had a hard time coming up with themes from the newer shows. BSG, CSI were the only ones that I could think of. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@...wrote: I love this line: That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air. On a related note, I hate that TV series theme songs are becoming so rare nowadays. So many shows just slap out a quick tune and then cut to commercial. It's not just theme songs with vocals that are disappearing; it's also the ones with longer musical scores. Aside from Law and Order, and a couple others, I can scare think of any show where the theme music is a big part of it. Corny as many were back in the day, you can't deny that the theme songs for everything from The Brady Bunch to Gilligan's Island, from Star Trek to The Beverly Hillbillies stay with you. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:07:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies http://phaiyap.notlong.com Vic Mizzy, a film and television composer best known for writing the memorable theme songs for the 1960s sit-coms Green Acres and The Addams Family, has died. He was 93. Mizzy died of heart failureSaturday at his home in Bel-Air, said Scott Harper, a friend and fellow composer. A veteran writer of popular songs such as There's a Faraway Look in Your Eye and Pretty Kitty Blue Eyes, Mizzy launched his TV career in 1960 when he was asked to compose music for the dramatic anthology series Moment of Fear. He quickly moved on to score episodes of Shirley Temple's Storybook and The Richard Boone Show and to write the themes for Klondike and the Dennis Weaver series Kentucky Jones. Then came an offbeat assignment: The Addams Family, the 1964-66 TV series based on Charles Addams' macabre magazine cartoons and starring John Astin as Gomez Addams and Carolyn Jones as his wife, Morticia. For his theme song, Mizzy played a harpsichord, which gives the theme its unique flavor. And because the production company, Filmways, refused to pay for singers, Mizzy sang it himself and overdubbed it three times. The song, memorably punctuated by finger-snapping, begins with: They're creepy and they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're altogether ooky: the Addams family. In the 1996 book TV's Biggest Hits: The Story of Television Themes From 'Dragnet' to 'Friends,' author Jon Burlingame writes that Mizzy's musical conception was so specific that he became deeply involved with the filming of the main-title sequence, which involved all seven actors snapping their fingers in carefully timed rhythm to Mizzy's music. For Mizzy, who owned the publishing rights to The Addams Family theme, it was an easy payday. I sat down; I went 'buh-buh-buh-bump [snap-snap], buh-buh-buh-bump, he recalled in a 2008 interview on CBS' Sunday Morning show. That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air. The season after The Addams Family made its debut, Mizzy composed the title song for Green Acres, the 1965-71 rural
Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
I understand when we think Star Trek we think Enterprise. I think that too but Shatner should have thought about that before he allowed his character to die on Veridian 3. Perhaps if they are going to bring him back it should be from the Nexus and have him at least attempt to fix the messed up time line. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:20 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up I'll be succinct. One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move. Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall never fully embrace. - Original Message - From: brent wodehouse brent_wodeho...@thefence.us To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up William Shatner set to be beamed up Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009 Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the Star Trek sequel. Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise, in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series. Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy. Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be offered a role. I would love to work with him, Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD. We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned. Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk), Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead roles. While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role. The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the extra features on the Star Trek DVD. It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie, Abrams explained. The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with. It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting. The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said. In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything, Abrams added. I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him (Shatner). The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage, commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero. The DVD also includes what is billed as ground-breaking augmented reality technology which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the Enterprise. Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie. I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time, Abrams told AAP in a video interview. This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the Opera House which could not have been more beautiful. The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and said 'We might have to move here'. I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons. I just want to go back because it is fantastic.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Black Man stars in 2nd Highest Rated TV Drama
I think NCIS has shown or proven it has become the little show that could. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Black Man stars in 2nd Highest Rated TV Drama I personally find the original NCIS surprisingly watchable. Still, I was very surprised to see it at the top of the ratings. Perhaps I shouldn't have been. NCIS is one of the rare television programs that has gone UP in ratings every season it has been on. I have not yet seen NCIS:LA. In either case, the success of NCIS:LA does not bode well for Network television. NCIS: Miami, anyone? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Well, like I said a couple of weeks ago. the NCIS: LA show completely failed to engage me. I've already stopped watching. given that it's not as good as the original (which I never watched), I won't miss missing it. Sad state of affairs for TV. What's funny, though, is the end of the article calls The Mentalist an original show, but it's not: a bunch of regular cops stand around while some kind of specialist with a unique talent/perspective helps solve crimes? Try Monk, Psych, Castle and others with the same basic formula. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:21:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Black Man stars in 2nd Highest Rated TV Drama Forty-four years after Bill Cosby co-starred in I Spy, a black man headlines the second highest rated drama on television. The larger issue of cookie cutter television addressed in the article below is chilling. ~rave? http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=139632 Why 'NCIS:LA' Is Getting the Best Ratings of the Season for a New Show CBS's Formula to Keep Viewers and Advertisers Happy Is Also a Sign of Trouble for Original Scripted Fare By Brian Steinberg Published: October 13, 2009 NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- Every Tuesday at 9 p.m., a group of government-backed investigators helps save the nation from rogue operatives, terrorists or federal employees who go astray for any number of reasons -- all with lots of action and just a touch of humor. CBS 'NCIS: LA' If the question, Haven't I seen this somewhere before? echoes in the back of your mind, chances are you might be watching CBS, which seems to be making a concerted effort to maintain sizable audiences for its schedule by building programs with concepts its viewers already find familiar. NCIS: LA, a West Coast tweak on the original NCIS that centers on the premise above, appears to be the most-watched freshman program of the infant 2009-2010 season. For the week ending Oct. 4, about 17.4 million people watched the program, according to Nielsen; the only drama that topped it was its predecessor, NCIS, which was the most-watched broadcast show of the week (NBC's Sunday Night Football is the only thing that kept the L.A.-centered spin-off from taking second place among viewers, though ABC's Dancing with the Stars had a higher household rating than the new show). Popular with advertisers too Advertisers like the spin-off, too; according to CBS executives, the program is reaching a high sellout in the fourth quarter market for so-called scatter advertising, or ad time purchased closer to air date. Because it fluctuates based on the immediate market, scatter is taken as a good sign of a program's overall popularity with marketers. Recent advertisers on NCIS: LA included Home Depot, Wal-Mart Stores and Pfizer's Lipitor. NCIS took in around $118 million in advertising during the 2008-2009 season, according to TNS Media Intelligence. Yet the success of NCIS: LA illustrates an emerging dilemma for the biggest TV networks in the land: To keep the large audiences that advertisers demand of them, they aren't able to experiment much with new show concepts or quirky ideas. Indeed, the CW's schedule includes three hours a week of revamps of two old Fox hits, Melrose Place and 90210. One can make the argument that ABC's new Flash Forward serves up the same elements -- mystery, long story arcs, riddles -- that made its soon-to-end Lost such a showpiece, and that its new Modern Family sitcom steals its documentary-style storytelling from NBC's The Office. One might even suggest that the premise for another successful CBS show, The Good Wife, is ripped from the headlines -- making it something that already resonates with potential fans. When you think about the landscape of television today, there are so many choices -- and so many good choices -- how do you give yourself a leg up? asked David Stapf, president-CBS Television Studios, which produces NCIS: LA and the CW's Melrose and 90210 updates.
Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
Too me, the white guy with shorts on seemed to want to be the Abby or the lady from Criminal Minds. The other guy who wanted to be more like Duckie. The lady that was the mother seems to me she is leaning more so to Ziva. The black guy who ever he is suppose to be reminds me of Duckie's assistant. Chris O'Donnell wants to be like Tony and I am guessing LL is more like a water down version of Gibbs. Note real watered. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? Yeah, and the way Chris O'Donnell--who never seemed to make it in the movie world--came on as so cool was a bit irritating to me. But then, everyone was a cliche. And then, the fight scene was shot in that maddeningly fast quick-camera take, so i couldn't even see that. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? I thought the same about the secret hideout. People notice folks driving up and parking nice cars—even if there is a small condemned sign on the renovated door From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:20 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? Yeah, agreed. I've never watched NCIS but watched last night because LL Cool J was on and I wanted to see how it did. The script was weak, so weak I had time to laugh at the ridiculous HQ, secreted inside a building like that. So a condemned sign on the front door is enough to disguise the fact there's dozens of people working inside, that it looks like a Spanish mansion inside, that it's loaded with mad crazy high tech tactile displays and such, and that people evidently drive up to that condemned front door in sports cars everyday? And no one notices? Everyone seemed too hard to try and act cool. They were more caricatures than characters to me, but then, the original NCIS has a ot of that too. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:05:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS LA I have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something about the first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it tried too hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they tired to model the characters after the original. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? I plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the NCIS series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course. Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people in other cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything with ferners in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But I guess that's what the BBC is for? :) The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years, but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks, and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the series. Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is also quick to point out that the series is basically a based on story, not the original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV world. You can listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website. It's a pretty detailed one:
Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water
Wow, in that case I truly feel alone..LOL --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:06 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water No, never. And Keith and I live in the same county, shop at the same comics stores. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: wlro...@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:41:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water I just moved to Atlanta area and trust me I know no one. Carrollton GA here. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Okay, how many of us in the group live here in Atlanta--and have never met each other?? Augustus, you're here right? On the flipside, how many live back in my home area of DFW? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:33:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water For the most part I was able to dodge it. Here in Carrollton we were not that bad, but near I-20 it was. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Hey peoples from Atlanta - is you all wet or were you able to keep your heads above water? I feel like an adopted son after my recent visit and, well, inquiring minds wanna know. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water
Trust me I would love that. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:25 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water We certainly should. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:41:21 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water We should all arrange to get together then. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:41:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water I just moved to Atlanta area and trust me I know no one. Carrollton GA here. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Okay, how many of us in the group live here in Atlanta--and have never met each other?? Augustus, you're here right? On the flipside, how many live back in my home area of DFW? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:33:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water For the most part I was able to dodge it. Here in Carrollton we were not that bad, but near I-20 it was. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Hey peoples from Atlanta - is you all wet or were you able to keep your heads above water? I feel like an adopted son after my recent visit and, well, inquiring minds wanna know. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water
I am new to the area so I don't have a place to hang out at the moment--which also cancels out what to do on the weekend. I would love to go to Atlanta but you have to admit where I was to where I am now--it isn't Kansas anymore. I love plays and musicals. I would go to them every night. I have always wanted to go to the play Color Purple. I am open to all types of food at least one. But to be honest. I am a cheap date. Pizza for me LOL. I might have to check that out. I really need to start doing something. From: Keith Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Where do you hang out for fun? What do you do on the weekends? Do you ever go into Atlanta proper? What kind of food do you like to eat? Do you do plays and musicals? (The Color Purple is at the Fox Theatre through tomorrow. Tavis Smiley's history of African Americans, America I Am is at the Civic Center through tomorrow, and well worth the trip). - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:25:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Wow, in that case I truly feel alone..LOL --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:06 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water No, never. And Keith and I live in the same county, shop at the same comics stores. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: wlro...@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:41:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water I just moved to Atlanta area and trust me I know no one. Carrollton GA here. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Okay, how many of us in the group live here in Atlanta--and have never met each other?? Augustus, you're here right? On the flipside, how many live back in my home area of DFW? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:33:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water For the most part I was able to dodge it. Here in Carrollton we were not that bad, but near I-20 it was. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Hey peoples from Atlanta - is you all wet or were you able to keep your heads above water? I feel like an adopted son after my recent visit and, well, inquiring minds wanna know. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water
Milledgeville GA. It is a town outside of Macon GA Autobots, transform!!! On Sep 26, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Where have you relocated from? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wlro...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:11 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water I am new to the area so I don't have a place to hang out at the moment--which also cancels out what to do on the weekend. I would love to go to Atlanta but you have to admit where I was to where I am now--it isn't Kansas anymore. I love plays and musicals. I would go to them every night. I have always wanted to go to the play Color Purple. I am open to all types of food at least one. But to be honest. I am a cheap date. Pizza for me LOL. I might have to check that out. I really need to start doing something. From: Keith Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Where do you hang out for fun? What do you do on the weekends? Do you ever go into Atlanta proper? What kind of food do you like to eat? Do you do plays and musicals? (The Color Purple is at the Fox Theatre through tomorrow. Tavis Smiley's history of African Americans, America I Am is at the Civic Center through tomorrow, and well worth the trip). - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:25:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Wow, in that case I truly feel alone..LOL --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:06 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water No, never. And Keith and I live in the same county, shop at the same comics stores. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: wlro...@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:41:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water I just moved to Atlanta area and trust me I know no one. Carrollton GA here. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Okay, how many of us in the group live here in Atlanta--and have never met each other?? Augustus, you're here right? On the flipside, how many live back in my home area of DFW? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:33:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water For the most part I was able to dodge it. Here in Carrollton we were not that bad, but near I-20 it was. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Hey peoples from Atlanta - is you all wet or were you able to keep your heads above water? I feel like an adopted son after my recent visit and, well, inquiring minds wanna know. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Tr y it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care?
I am the type of person that will try to go down with my ship or the this show. However my patience is running thin. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? so, will you keep watching? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:14:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? I watched it last night or tried to due to the weather. My only problem in the show is there is no other enemy then Sylar. To me it makes it real boring when you are only dealing with him. From the looks of it he can't be killed he can't be stop so then all he really needs to do is kill everyone one by one. Also don't get me wrong, I like Claire. I think she is great and all but lets get real. Get her out of school or college because she is never going to stop trying to kill herself to see how far she can go. Perhaps what needs to happen is someone needs to help Hero got back in time, kill baby Sylar and that would solve a host of problems. I think the guy that plays him is cute but for me it is time to move on. Also one more thing, Peter you are hero...stop fighting it. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:57 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? I have to admit, I missed all of last season. A lot of the buzz I heard about it from all over the place, though, was that Heroes wasn't very good. Some say it was okay, better than the abbreviated season two, but nowhere nearly as good as the debut season. Others--and that's a lot of folks--have said it's just no longer a good show at all. What do y'all say? Anyone here still faithfully watching? If so, what are your thoughts on the show to date?
Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone??
Just to touch on what you said about the show for a moment. I saw NCIS LA I have to say that I am not sure if I like it or not. It was something about the first plot and this one that I did not like. It would appear that it tried too hard and I was not sure who was the leader or not. I felt that they tired to model the characters after the original. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? I plan to watch. Sounds intriguing. I've never read the book, and, while I understand they've kept the spirit of the book, they made some changes for television. They moved the location from Geneva, Switzerland to L.A. I'll be there, of course, but you know, i really tire of everything important in the world taking place in L.A. or New York. Last night, for example, the NCIS series debuted a spinoff with LL Cool J and where was it? L.A., of course. Every now and then I'd like to follow some events and people in other cities--even other countries. (Yeah, I know: Americans won't watch anything with ferners in it, and the major studios are in those two cities). But I guess that's what the BBC is for? :) The other major thing is in the book people flashed forward twenty-one years, but in the series the jump is only six months. The producers didn't want to have to produce the look of a future two decades from now, figuring six months was far enough to build the story, but close enough to simplify how the story is presented and avoid inaccurate predictions. I'm okay with that, though i think they could have gone four or five years and been safe. They also shifted the focus of the story from a scientist at CERN to a bunch of regular folks, and, in the book, it's understood pretty quickly that a CERN experiment to detect the Higgs-Boson particle (thought to carry the property of mass) caused the event. In the TV series, they're going to hide the cause for most of the series. Still, it has potential. The author of the book is excited (I'll bet: think he was paid a bundle). He understands the changes for the small screen, but is also quick to point out that the series is basically a based on story, not the original. He will not be changing his book world to match the TV world. You can listen to an interview with him at the Slice of SciFi website. It's a pretty detailed one: http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/09/19/slice-of-scifi-231/ - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] FlashForward on Thursday Anyone?? Is anyone planning on checking out FlashForward on Thursday? Anyone read the book? http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/we-saw-the-pilot-heres-wh.php We saw the pilot, and here's why we think you're going to like FlashForward We got an early look at ABC's upcoming sci-fi series FlashForward on Wednesday night at Disney/ABC's mothership in beautiful downtown Burbank, and while we can't give you a proper review, we can tell you this: Watch it. We were asked not to divulge any spoilery details or to tell you much about what we saw—which was the one-hour pilot episode—but we can tell you what it's not. It's not Lost, though it has elements of that show: a high-concept sci-fi premise, told intimately through the lives (present and future) of about 10 main characters, as well as a deep, abiding mystery that will be unraveled over the course of the first season and subsequent seasons right up to the last minute. It's not The X-Files, though it has an FBI agent (Joseph Fiennes) at its heart and a procedural element to its storylines, with potential criminals and other bad guys and creepy weirdness here and there. It's not ER, Fringe, Heroes or any other hit drama, though it shares elements with all of those shows, including a main character who's a surgeon, weird science and people who may or may not have access to strange visions. No, it's that rare thing in television: something completely new. And, at least judging by the big-screen Blu-ray version we saw, it will look absolutely gorgeous, not to say epic, for a TV show. Based on the novel by Canadian SF author Robert J. Sawyer, FlashForward (not Flash Forward) begins when every person on Earth blacks out for 2 minutes and 17 seconds, during which time each has a vision of his or her future six months from now. There have been comparisons to Lost, ... [that the show is] a Lost replacement, executive producer David S. Goyer told an audience on Wednesday. [But] it was written as a spec and originally was even anticipated to be an HBO show. So it wasn't written at all for ABC or to be a Lost replacement. And I think the comparisons are accurate in that we also have a very large cast and are telling a
Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water
For the most part I was able to dodge it. Here in Carrollton we were not that bad, but near I-20 it was. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Hey peoples from Atlanta - is you all wet or were you able to keep your heads above water? I feel like an adopted son after my recent visit and, well, inquiring minds wanna know. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water
I just moved to Atlanta area and trust me I know no one. Carrollton GA here. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:34 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Okay, how many of us in the group live here in Atlanta--and have never met each other?? Augustus, you're here right? On the flipside, how many live back in my home area of DFW? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:33:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water For the most part I was able to dodge it. Here in Carrollton we were not that bad, but near I-20 it was. --Lavender -- From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Atlanta Under Water Hey peoples from Atlanta - is you all wet or were you able to keep your heads above water? I feel like an adopted son after my recent visit and, well, inquiring minds wanna know. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care?
I watched it last night or tried to due to the weather. My only problem in the show is there is no other enemy then Sylar. To me it makes it real boring when you are only dealing with him. From the looks of it he can't be killed he can't be stop so then all he really needs to do is kill everyone one by one. Also don't get me wrong, I like Claire. I think she is great and all but lets get real. Get her out of school or college because she is never going to stop trying to kill herself to see how far she can go. Perhaps what needs to happen is someone needs to help Hero got back in time, kill baby Sylar and that would solve a host of problems. I think the guy that plays him is cute but for me it is time to move on. Also one more thing, Peter you are hero...stop fighting it. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:57 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? I have to admit, I missed all of last season. A lot of the buzz I heard about it from all over the place, though, was that Heroes wasn't very good. Some say it was okay, better than the abbreviated season two, but nowhere nearly as good as the debut season. Others--and that's a lot of folks--have said it's just no longer a good show at all. What do y'all say? Anyone here still faithfully watching? If so, what are your thoughts on the show to date?
Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care?
Yea you are right the butterfly effect. In the words of Captain Janeway, The temporal prime directive--it is so much better if you just ignore it. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:16 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? Lavendar, Hiro would never do that, not even for the greater good. He's the Classical Geek, believes that he has his powers to do good. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: wlro...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:14:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? I watched it last night or tried to due to the weather. My only problem in the show is there is no other enemy then Sylar. To me it makes it real boring when you are only dealing with him. From the looks of it he can't be killed he can't be stop so then all he really needs to do is kill everyone one by one. Also don't get me wrong, I like Claire. I think she is great and all but lets get real. Get her out of school or college because she is never going to stop trying to kill herself to see how far she can go. Perhaps what needs to happen is someone needs to help Hero got back in time, kill baby Sylar and that would solve a host of problems. I think the guy that plays him is cute but for me it is time to move on. Also one more thing, Peter you are hero...stop fighting it. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:57 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes Returns--Does Anyone Care? I have to admit, I missed all of last season. A lot of the buzz I heard about it from all over the place, though, was that Heroes wasn't very good. Some say it was okay, better than the abbreviated season two, but nowhere nearly as good as the debut season. Others--and that's a lot of folks--have said it's just no longer a good show at all. What do y'all say? Anyone here still faithfully watching? If so, what are your thoughts on the show to date? Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
Yes I have wondered the same thing. I mean if it is hunted then what. They call another division to handle the hunting's? I mean I always was hoping that they would have a cam on a hat or something because I never see anything ever. I don't even feel or have that spooky feeling watching the show. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:54 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? good points. Has anyone watched an entire ep of Ghost Hunters? Once those dweebs pronounce a house safe, does anyone ever go back and interview the occupants a few weeks later, to see if the manifestations are back? Have those idiots ever pronounced a house or building haunted, and if so, does anyone ever go back to confirm that? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:12:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? Into this, I say something I said several months back. Siffy needs *competition* in delivering genre to the fans. Back in the day, there was only HBO delivering premium viewing to the masses. Therefore, they were able to get away with cycling the same batch of crap to viewers month after month. What are watchers gonna do? Go soemwhere else? There was nowhere else. After Cinemax, The Movie Channel and Showtime moved onto the scene, it forced HBO to amp up their game. And, as for that coming thing (tip of hat to Brisco County Jr.), I'm holding the door open with the lead balloon that is Ghost Hunters. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:34:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? BBC America is the home of true sci-fi on TV. There. I said it. 2009 was the test, and BBC passed. Evidence? While you were flipping out over Destination Truth and Ghost HUnters, BBC was playingthe first episode of Torchwood. Which is all I really needed. SyFy didn't just jump the shark, they did a reality series on shark jumping. I haven't seen the books, but I've resigned myself to the fact that this network is some money laundering joint for NBC. The ratings for Green Mutatnt Jello Bikini Beach Attack with Alien Wolves are really good, and so advertisers keep coming back. This network will not be changing anytime soon. You may wanna just get used to YouTube and hulu like the rest of us. There's a marketing suit at SyFY that's on twitter, and I really feel bad for the guy. When you look at his followers it's all people who are genuinely interested in science fiction. And he's getting GREAT FEEDBACK. Really thoughtful stuff. But nothing's happening. Now, on another film blog I was recently awarded the most foolishly optimistic award, and so to ainitain my title supremacy, I submit this: the last time TV was this bad...we got MST3K. So something's coming. Not sure what, but something's coming. Maybe another Elvira. Something. There are too many bad TV shows now for someone not to make a real living off of this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: So we had a long holiday weekend, and, going into it, I prepared myself for another weekend of marathons. You know: Twilight Zone all day Saturday, Enterprise or TNG on Monday. Maybe some Eureka or BSG thrown in for good measure. But know what we got instead? All day Sunday, the reality show Destination Truth, and all day Labor Day, Ghost Hunters. WTF??? Look, SyFy has a huge backlog of scifi series, successful and canceled, that they can show. There's The Dresden Files, Special Unit 7. there's even that creepy show with Matthew Fox that took place in a weird hospital. What about old eps of First Wave? I'd take that over searches for urban legends and local myths. Hell, they can pull out Space: Above and Beyond if they want. I'd watch it over those idiot Ghostbuster wannabes. Fortunately I wasn't home very much, so didn't have to depend on the telly for entertainment. But when I was home? I watched marathons of Ben 10: Alien Force, Wolverine and the X-Men, and science fact shows The Universe and Planet Earth instead. Sad that I'm more excited to watch cartoons more than a supposed science fiction channel all weekend. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast
To be honest I have not seen him much. They did have a villain once that broke out but I don't remember what happen to him. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 12:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast No, not him. I didn't type it properly. I meant, did they add a black male character who's not that kid? I'd like to see a black man back to being a hero, like the brother who could phase. Is the Haitian still around? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 12:58:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast You mean the kid that could do strange things with electronics. Yes briefly. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:37 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast One question, as I missed the entire last season: did they bring back a cool black male character who's over 12 in age? - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:03:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast http://scifi.about.com/b/2009/08/16/hudson-joins-heroes-cast.htm Hudson Joins Heroes Cast Sunday August 16, 2009 The genial yet authoritative Ernie Hudson (Oz, Ghostbusters) will be joining Heroes in a recurring role. And he's playing a detective. Again. Hudson will be playing Captain Lubbock, a Baltimore cop who's seeking to capture one of the other characters. This follows the previous key casting announcement for the upcoming fourth season of Heroes, which introduces a new storyline about a traveling carnival of people with special powers, run by a charismatic but evil Earth-moving ringleader (Robert Knepper). And yes, it's true: they're working on Ghostbusters III for 2012 – with the original cast. The new writers are Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky (The Office, Year One). That could work, if the humor leans more toward the former than the latter. Dan Ackroyd says filming could start as soon as this winter. The plan is for it to be a passing-the-torch kind of movie, which is what you might expect so many years on from the original films. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. I am one...
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas
I do the same thing sometimes...besides to quote a verse--Lets get dangerous. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:54 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas I first picked up on the Disney block back in the early 90s, when I worked for the Post Office and got home at exactly 4:30 every day, in time to catch Darkwing Duck. Even to this day, at times, I'll break into the theme song at highly inappropriate moments. And, being a lapsed pilot, Tale Spin had me from Frame One. Martin (when there's trouble, still calls DW) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:28:55 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas Gotta say, though, I loved Darkwing Duck! That was when Disney came out with a new batch of cartoons for television: Tale Spin, Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers, etc. Enjoyed 'em all. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 8:45:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas Tale Spin/S.H.I.E.L.D. Darkwing Duck/Daredevil Gizmo Duck/Iron Man Martin (admittedly a Tale Spin fan for life) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: wlro...@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:22:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas Chip and Dales rescue rangers/Fantastic 4 --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:18 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas Now that Disney has bought Marvel what horrible combinations do you think that we will see? Here are a couple off the top of my head: Wolverine and Shrek adventures Mickey Mouse / Xmen races People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast
You mean the kid that could do strange things with electronics. Yes briefly. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:37 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast One question, as I missed the entire last season: did they bring back a cool black male character who's over 12 in age? - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:03:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Hudson Joins Heroes Cast http://scifi.about.com/b/2009/08/16/hudson-joins-heroes-cast.htm Hudson Joins Heroes Cast Sunday August 16, 2009 The genial yet authoritative Ernie Hudson (Oz, Ghostbusters) will be joining Heroes in a recurring role. And he's playing a detective. Again. Hudson will be playing Captain Lubbock, a Baltimore cop who's seeking to capture one of the other characters. This follows the previous key casting announcement for the upcoming fourth season of Heroes, which introduces a new storyline about a traveling carnival of people with special powers, run by a charismatic but evil Earth-moving ringleader (Robert Knepper). And yes, it's true: they're working on Ghostbusters III for 2012 – with the original cast. The new writers are Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky (The Office, Year One). That could work, if the humor leans more toward the former than the latter. Dan Ackroyd says filming could start as soon as this winter. The plan is for it to be a passing-the-torch kind of movie, which is what you might expect so many years on from the original films. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: adding to the sequel madness
I agree, I like that idea too. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 6:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: adding to the sequel madness I like this idea! Celebrity death match! On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:06 PM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Throw in Mrs. Doubtfire and Tootsie and have a tag team match for supremacy. Then the winners have to face the ladies of Too Wong Foo. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, wlro...@... wrote: OK how about Big Mama meets Madea, that would be a ender. How about a title, You can really do bad by yourself. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] adding to the sequel madness They are making Big Mama 3 People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...
I think I will pass--I'll stick with Paula Dean. Pass the butter please! --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:13 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... There are a couple of chefs that do radical cooking ideas. There is one here in the bay area that cooks with chemical concoctions. Another cooks with body parts of animals that are often overlooked (unless you live in the deep south) like lungs, brains etc. Maybe that is what they are doing? On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:17 PM, wlro...@aol.com wrote: I can see a cooking with Quark or a Guinan: Mother Love type of show. --Lavender From: Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:02 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... Man, I don't know what you're talking about. I can't wait for the recipe to Klingon Fried Chicken! --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 1:33 PM ... to loathe All That Is Siffy. Syfy Channel Getting A Cooking Show? http://io9.com/ 5351045/syfy- channel-getting- a-cooking- show?skyline= trues=i Martin (again abandoning all hope) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason...
I can see a cooking with Quark or a Guinan: Mother Love type of show. --Lavender From: Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:02 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... Man, I don't know what you're talking about. I can't wait for the recipe to Klingon Fried Chicken! --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: [scifinoir2] I give you one more reason... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 1:33 PM ... to loathe All That Is Siffy. Syfy Channel Getting A Cooking Show? http://io9.com/ 5351045/syfy- channel-getting- a-cooking- show?skyline= trues=i Martin (again abandoning all hope) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] adding to the sequel madness
OK how about Big Mama meets Madea, that would be a ender. How about a title, You can really do bad by yourself. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] adding to the sequel madness They are making Big Mama 3 People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas
Chip and Dales rescue rangers/Fantastic 4 --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:18 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: silly movie ideas Now that Disney has bought Marvel what horrible combinations do you think that we will see? Here are a couple off the top of my head: Wolverine and Shrek adventures Mickey Mouse / Xmen races People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Futurama!!!
OK I heard about it but did not watch because I thought they were saying that it was old episodes that were counted as new. Do anyone know if it is coming on again? --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:02 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Futurama!!! Did anyone notice that there are new episodes on tonight??? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
Yes a Kodak moment. --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22 AM To: Sci Fi Cc: Black SciFi Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! Fate.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Holy Casting Call, Batman!
Me too, I think that she would be a better choice then her. --Lavender -- From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:43 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Holy Casting Call, Batman! All of a sudden I am warming up to the idea of Cher as Catwoman! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Because you didn't ask for it... Megan Fox is being considered for the role of Catwoman in Christopher Nolan's next Bat-flick... http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/The-Shortlist-for-Aug-26-3865.gallery?GT1=28135#m=oZghMddAdLu If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you're up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star
This is interesting, I think I heard somewhere that our sun only has so many years left before it goes nova as well. But that so many years are a very long way off. --Lavender -- From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:29 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star http://shuudu.notlong.com Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star By SETH BORENSTEIN (AP) - 1 day ago WASHINGTON - Astronomers have found what appears to be a gigantic suicidal planet. The odd, fiery planet is so close to its star and so large that it is triggering tremendous plasma tides on the star. Those powerful tides are in turn warping the planet's zippy less-than-a-day orbit around its star. The result: an ever-closer tango of death, with the planet eventually spiraling into the star. It's a slow death. The planet WASP-18b has maybe a million years to live, said planet discoverer Coel Hellier, a professor of astrophysics at the Keele University in England. Hellier's report on the suicidal planet is in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. It's causing its own destruction by creating these tides, Hellier said. The star is called WASP-18 and the planet is WASP-18b because of the Wide Angle Search for Planets team that found them. The planet circles a star that is in the constellation Phoenix and is about 325 light-years away from Earth, which means it is in our galactic neighborhood. A light-year is about 5.8 trillion miles. The planet is 1.9 million miles from its star, 1/50th of the distance between Earth and the sun, our star. And because of that the temperature is about 3,800 degrees. Its size - 10 times bigger than Jupiter - and its proximity to its star make it likely to die, Hellier said. Think of how the distant moon pulls Earth's oceans to form twice-daily tides. The effect the odd planet has on its star is thousands of times stronger, Hellier said. The star's tidal bulge of plasma may extend hundreds of miles, he said. Like most planets outside our solar system, this planet was not seen directly by a telescope. Astronomers found it by seeing dips in light from the star every time the planet came between the star and Earth. So far astronomers have found more than 370 planets outside the solar system. This one is yet another weird one in the exoplanet menagerie, said planet specialist Alan Boss of the Carnegie Institution of Washington. It's so unusual to find a suicidal planet that University of Maryland astronomer Douglas Hamilton questioned whether there was another explanation. While it is likely that this is a suicidal planet, Hamilton said it is also possible that some basic physics calculations that all astronomers rely on could be dead wrong. The answer will become apparent in less than a decade if the planet seems to be further in a death spiral, he said. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
Shhh, the Borg Queen might be reading this same email too. I mean she could have sent a virus in the future to go to the past to become a member of this group to send her information and attempt destroy the whole Federation. We have to be careful with this type of things. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:58 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed. Okay, enough of the buzz kill! - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! Fate.
Re: [scifinoir2] Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star
I can imagine I would be at the mall that day. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star About 4.5 Billion years give or take. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:18 PM, wlro...@aol.com wrote: This is interesting, I think I heard somewhere that our sun only has so many years left before it goes nova as well. But that so many years are a very long way off. --Lavender -- From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:29 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star http://shuudu.notlong.com Suicidal planet seems on death spiral into star By SETH BORENSTEIN (AP) - 1 day ago WASHINGTON - Astronomers have found what appears to be a gigantic suicidal planet. The odd, fiery planet is so close to its star and so large that it is triggering tremendous plasma tides on the star. Those powerful tides are in turn warping the planet's zippy less-than-a-day orbit around its star. The result: an ever-closer tango of death, with the planet eventually spiraling into the star. It's a slow death. The planet WASP-18b has maybe a million years to live, said planet discoverer Coel Hellier, a professor of astrophysics at the Keele University in England. Hellier's report on the suicidal planet is in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. It's causing its own destruction by creating these tides, Hellier said. The star is called WASP-18 and the planet is WASP-18b because of the Wide Angle Search for Planets team that found them. The planet circles a star that is in the constellation Phoenix and is about 325 light-years away from Earth, which means it is in our galactic neighborhood. A light-year is about 5.8 trillion miles. The planet is 1.9 million miles from its star, 1/50th of the distance between Earth and the sun, our star. And because of that the temperature is about 3,800 degrees. Its size - 10 times bigger than Jupiter - and its proximity to its star make it likely to die, Hellier said. Think of how the distant moon pulls Earth's oceans to form twice-daily tides. The effect the odd planet has on its star is thousands of times stronger, Hellier said. The star's tidal bulge of plasma may extend hundreds of miles, he said. Like most planets outside our solar system, this planet was not seen directly by a telescope. Astronomers found it by seeing dips in light from the star every time the planet came between the star and Earth. So far astronomers have found more than 370 planets outside the solar system. This one is yet another weird one in the exoplanet menagerie, said planet specialist Alan Boss of the Carnegie Institution of Washington. It's so unusual to find a suicidal planet that University of Maryland astronomer Douglas Hamilton questioned whether there was another explanation. While it is likely that this is a suicidal planet, Hamilton said it is also possible that some basic physics calculations that all astronomers rely on could be dead wrong. The answer will become apparent in less than a decade if the planet seems to be further in a death spiral, he said. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation
I think it has something to do with Vger. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation Speaking of the Borg I have always been curious about the origins of the Borg. Another storyline that was introduced was the race of dinosaurs that left earth in spaceships. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:31 PM, wlro...@aol.com wrote: Shhh, the Borg Queen might be reading this same email too. I mean she could have sent a virus in the future to go to the past to become a member of this group to send her information and attempt destroy the whole Federation. We have to be careful with this type of things. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:58 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation Good scene. But I could never cotton with the whole way the Klingons penetrated the shields. Since when do you need to see a shield frequency on a console in order to determine what it is? Surely a simple scan could detect shield frequencies, just as sensors can always report that a ship brings up its shields in the first place. I also don't understand how simply matching frequencies allows a torpedo through. If it were that easy, all space battles in the Trek universe would be short and sweet: simply scan the frequency, set the weapon and poof! Shields are bypassed. Okay, enough of the buzz kill! - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: Sci Fi scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:22:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Star Trek Generation Sitting here drinking my morning coffee getting ready 4 work and watching 'Star Trek: Generations' on HBO2. The saucer section separates from the star drive section as the warp core breeches. the resulting shock wave knocks the saucer section out of orbit and into the atmosphere. then u get classic Data. he has the emotion chip activated and he is watching the view screen. the camera shows his face - full on - and he smiles and says Oh shit! simply classic! Fate. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers
Yes, it was one of the episodes that I almost stop watching. I loved her. But it was nice how it was done where it was not she dies and oh well unlike TNG. --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers never read it, but will definitely pick it up Monday and start on it. Fate. p.s. just finished watching the DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax diesman they really screwed over Worf on that one! brought a little mist to THIS Marine's eye. --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 7:40 AM Thank you. After I'm done with the book I'm reading now, I'll need it, because I'm reading that again. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:46:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers (handing Martin a handkerchief) From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:19:33 AM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers Oh, yeah... (misting up) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:16:20 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers I remember that too, good stuff. Never did figure why the Deryni of Gwynedd didn't leave en masse and go to the neighboring countries, some of which had openly practicing Deryni. By the way, I remember getting misty eyed later, when Evaine-who, if I remember had lost a child too--was doing one of the spiritual/psychic things, and caught a glimpse of the Afterlife. There, she saw her husband and child, and decided to just let go, while her frantic brother tried to call her back. that was something... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:56:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers I hear you, pal. My own moment-of-tears with the written word came when I first read Katherine Kurtz's Camber the Heretic, a scene when a group of psi-gifted humanoids where being massacred by humans. One of the humanoids (Deryni, their race was called), Rhys, a doctor with the power to heal, was trying to escape when he saw injured humans nearby. Being a doctor, he followed the Hippocratic and stopped to begin healing the person. As he was doing so, he was hit from behind, a blow that stoved in his head, destroying the part of his brain that enabled him to heal. His wife Evaine learned this as she went into his mind, trying to access his power to heal him. All the while, he was still conscious, feeling himself die, saying his goodbyes to his friends telepathically. .. marked the first and only time I've ever thrown a book. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: SF's 26 Greatest Tearjerkers Sorry, but the biggest tearjerking moment for me was not in a movie...It was from Octavia Butler's Wild Seed, when Anyanwu came to the conclusion that she was never going to change or escape from Doro, so she decided to just commit suicide (basically let herself die as she was immortal). Doro, realizing that Anyanwu was the only constant in his life, breaks down and pleads with her not to do it because he could not bare life without her (gotta read the
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now
Well as long as you don't see any red dresses anywhere then I am sure there is nothing to worry about as of yet. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:35 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now Maybe they're building for a Gravity-BG crossover event. What's in Pod 4 is actually the Cylon God, and these are Cylons and I REALLY need to shut up before RDM sees this and gets ideas... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: asrobin...@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:47:10 + Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now Well put. I watched the first 3 eps on hulu, but probably won't watch any more. Thye've made it too hard for me to care what's in pod 4. Funny thing I noticed though: about 2:15 into Ep 3 (scene: the packed-up living room of the couple originally on the mission before the guy got cut) is the same as Starbuck's appartment on BSG. Ha! -From: George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now Ê It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a sexual drama. --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ [ http://gmail. com/ ]gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM Ê The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost the ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter [ http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01 3...@lycos.com ]truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll probably last its full run. [ http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt1319690/ -[ Received Mail Content ]-- ÊSubject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now ÊDate : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) ÊFrom : C.W. Badie [ http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo. com ]astromancer2002@ yahoo.com ÊTo : [ http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com ]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness the leads to cancellation. .. ___ _ _ _ __ From: Martin Baxter To: [ http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com ]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it bbegan. I I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times. (Maybe on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked, without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find out what's really up. As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch a TV show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Defying Gravity on ABC now Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com Anyone watching ABC's entry into the Big Brother in Outer Space by way of BSG-style drama? It deals with a seven-year mission in the year 2052 that sends eight astronauts to visit six planets in the Solar System. Very quickly into the show, we're made aware there's some kind of secret involved. The two most experienced astronauts in the program (one of whom is played by Malik Yoba) are initially left off the mission aboard the spaceship Antares.. Later, when some kind of heart problem keeps cropping up among the crew--evidently tied to the secret--the two astronauts are blasted into space to join the mission. One comment I overheard makes me think some kind of sentient race has been encountered by humanity--perhaps on a previous tragic mission to Mars in which one of the current astronauts had to leave three of his fellows behind. Perhaps this sentient race is controlling the mission somehow? Not sure. Also not sure yet if I'll like the show. It has some decent actors and decent lines. But just when I'm starting to get into the mission and the scifi aspect of it, I'm distracted by overpowering music
Re: [scifinoir2] foreplay
Funny, where were this when the birds and the bees talk was on the menu for tonight? --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:49 AM To: Black SciFi Cc: Sci Fi Subject: [scifinoir2] foreplay http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910202 Fate. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13
I have to admit the show is growing on me too. I am guessing like any show the first season sucks. If it last long enough they might find out what works and don't. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 It's growing on me. Pilot was a bit tepid, but the subsequent shows are more engaging. It has a decent mix of humour and scifi. Still at times reminds me of a lightweight Friday the 13th. Some of the things, like using old video communicators, is both quaint and kinda silly, but you roll with it. Interesting that the artifacts are some combination of scientific and mystical at times. In that, they remind of the Green Lantern rings, which have been described as both super science, and magick. I enjoyed tonight's show about the ancient artifact that attaches itself to a person's spine, turning them into a crazed warrior with electrical powers (sucked from the victim's body). The artifact reminded me of nothing so much as the famous Tingler from the classic movie of the same name. Brought back some memories: that tingler scared the bejeezus outa me as a kid! - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:14:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Warehouse 13 on Now Anyone watching Warehouse 13 on the--wait for it, Martin--all new SyFy? I'm just into the first ten minutes, so no way i can make a judgement, but wondered if anyone heard any early buzz on the show? I do recognize a couple of the actors. The lead actress played Jeremiah's traitorous lover on the show of the same name. And the mad scientist guy is memorable as Fajah (sp?), in the TNG ep about a rich dude who collects things, and tries to add Data to his collection. As always with Sci--er, SyFy, I'm divided. If the show sucks, it's another sorry show commissioned by the network. If it's good--and I must admit they've shown some good stuff here and there over the years--I fear it'll be canceled to soon. And when I see a show like this, I must confess it makes me wonder why the likes of Level 9, The Dresden Files, and others of this type were canceled. Throw in shows on other stations, like The Chronicle, John Doe, Jake 2.0, and G vs. E, and you wonder what this show's chances are. Maybe it'll catch on like Eureka? People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
I think so too. I heard rumors that Whoppi was suppose to play in a couple of shows as well. I could never understand why this show could not have been shown on what was sci-fi. I mean a true science fiction show with some what a budget would not hurt. Autobots, transform!!! On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:31, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote: actually i really liked 'Enterprise' (especially when it hit it stride in the 3rd and 4th seasons). the 3rd season - the Xindi deal was great, and then the 4th and final season - the alternate universe when the Terrain Empire - that would give rise 2 the alternate Kirk and Uhura (the mid-driff sexy Uhura). i think it could have ran a few more seasons if they (the studio) had not pulled it. --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 2:30 AM I remember hearing talk about a Space: Above and beyond movie for a while but that died a quiet death. I kind of liked that show although it was similar to Starship Troopers. (another movie that has been ruined.) On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:43 PM, B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com wrote: Space: Above and Beyond Now and Again Hypernauts Surface --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Since we've been forced to acknowledge Cleopatra 2525, can we counter-balance that with its counter-piece, Jack of All Trades? And, as I have invoked The One True Bruce, allow me to toss in The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:36:08 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@... To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Cc : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com scifino...@yahoogro ups.com You...do realize you're co-signing Cleopatra2525, right? I never thought I'd type this, but if you haven't seen the 3rd season of enterprise, do. The rest of my list is Farscape, Odyssey 5, and G v. E. On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Michelle Lauren wrote: Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic setting) †everything was wonderful . My DVD set of the series just arrived today and I can't wait to wa tch it again. Fox made a serious mistake canceling this show. If som eone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and uber-talented actress Gina Torres. What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early? Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win a $10 Amazon Gift Card.** www.MichelleLaurenB ooks.com ~ Multicultural Romance that defies boundaries Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon | Fictionwise | Liquid Silver Books Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009 How to Tame a Harpy ~ Romantic Times American Title V Finalist http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/ add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
I agree, but to me DS9 was a good show. However the only problem with Star Trek shows is that in the first season and perhaps the second one they seem to make reference to USS Enterprise way too much. Which to me seems to set the show up to failure. --Lavender Autobots, transform!!! On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:22, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: On that, I have to disagree, Mr Worf. For me, the last two seasons of DSNine were some of the best TV I've ever watched. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:32:13 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was starting to slack off a bit. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote: Cleoptara 2525 --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote: From: Bosco Bosco Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club. Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye Show. Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is science fiction. If so, you just aren't perceiving reality correctly. Bosco --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Michelle Lauren *wrote: From: Michelle Lauren Subject: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 2:32 PM Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic setting) – everything was wonderful. My DVD set of the series just arrived today and I can't wait to watch it again. Fox made a serious mistake canceling this show. If someone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and uber-talented actress Gina Torres. What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early? Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win a $10 Amazon Gift Card. ** www.MichelleLaurenB ooks.com ~ Multicultural Romance that defies boundaries Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon| Fictionwise| Liquid Silver Books Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009 How to Tame a Harpy ~ *Romantic Times* American Title V Finalist -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
Oh yes, I remember that show. It was a good show, goofy but real short. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Since we've been forced to acknowledge Cleopatra 2525, can we counter-balance that with its counter-piece, Jack of All Trades? And, as I have invoked The One True Bruce, allow me to toss in The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS Date : Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:36:08 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You...do realize you're co-signing Cleopatra2525,right? I never thought I'd type this, but if you haven't seen the 3rd season of enterprise, do. The rest of my list is Farscape, Odyssey 5, and G v. E. On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Michelle Lauren wrote: Someone in this group recommended Joss Whedon's FIREFLY to me a few months ago. Once I saw the episodes on Hulu (listed in their intended order as opposed to how Fox patchworked them together during the original viewing season), I got hooked. The characters, the dialogue, the world (an interesting mix of Asian and Western culture thrown into a futuristic setting) – everything was wonderful . My DVD set of the series just arrived today and I can't wait to wa tch it again. Fox made a serious mistake canceling this show. If som eone hadn't recommended it on this loop, I might never have bothered looking it upon because the plot seemed weird to me at first. Plus, I'm a fan of any show that features the gorgeous and uber-talented actress Gina Torres. What are some other great scifi shows that got canceled too early? Michelle Lauren ~ Join my Yahoo Group thru 8/31 for a chance to win a $10 Amazon Gift Card.** www.MichelleLaurenBooks.com ~ Multicultural Romance that defies boundaries Celestial Lovers: Starstruck Hunter ~ AVAILABLE @ Amazon | Fictionwise | Liquid Silver Books Temptation Eve ~ Cobblestone Press ~ Coming 9/2009 How to Tame a Harpy ~ Romantic Times American Title V Finalist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood
I know, that is what I hate the most about shows of this nature. What I wish they would realize or hope they would is in this universe there has to be someone more powerful then him. I mean in the X-men universe we have Phoenix. ---Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:08 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood Maybe there is a plot that hasn't been introduced yet? Like a rip in time and space /time loop (ala star trek) or something weird like that where claire goes back and has babies. Who knows. They may drag it out for years. What I really hate is that they drag out shows like this and never finish the story. :/ On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:14 PM, wlro...@aol.com wrote: No offense I think that Heroes is going to try to be around for a long time. The thing that I am wondering about the show is if they want to kill Sylar why haven't they all got together and have or had a meeting and use Hero one good time and go back to the past where Sylar was born and just I don't know kill him when he was a baby. Cruel but that would end the run and they could get over the kick that we can't kill him but each season we have to save the world and Clare can't die. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood Yep, and the quickly and cheaply made fare works for good cheap fun. I find your analysis of those three countries interesting. I think off Mexico, with its telenovella's, the short-lived series that come and go ina year or so, and are highly watched by the masses. Another model of doing it cheap (relative to other productions) and quick, keeping profits high. I've long advocated a telenovella approach in the States. I think shows like Lost and Heroes' could benefit from a fixed run where they get in, tell the story, then get out. Interesting that these countries where there's so much poverty can do some interesting, innovative fare, while we, with all our money, turn out sometimes equally bad junk with a higher price tag--SyFy movies, anyone? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 10:46:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood You're right. I forgot to bring that up in my last post. Most of the people in Nigeria only make about $200 a year compared to the US. But their movie industry is thriving because there are people that can afford tvs and vcrs and dvds there in the cities. The eastern and northern parts of Nigeria is very rural. (The northern part is muslim.) They also turn out 4 times as many films as they do here because their business model is completely different. They make movies for direct to dvd release instead of theatrical release. That's a big difference in how things are done and frees up the limited funds for more films and profit potential instead of risking a large amount of making film stock, securing theaters, marketing etc. There are some similarities between Nollywood, Hong Kong, and Bollywood. All three have severe poverty and a very small wealthy class. The middle class is also very healthy in all three despite the problems in the rest of the world. So that leaves them with a lot of disposable income. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I say more power to them. Living here in America--with DVD's, Hulu, VCRs, hundreds of channels, Blockbuster, iPods--we indeed forget how expensive all these things are. We forget that even the poorest people in America can sometimes manage to get cable TV, or at least TV using rabbit ears, maybe even take in a movie now and then. You have countries like Germany were no talent hacks like Uwe Bole get subsidized by the government to make bad films. As you say, none of that exists in Nigeria. And just as black Americans revolutionized everything from basketball (ball and a goal, rather cheap fun versus, say, ice hockey or golf) to rap (the voice is the cheapest instrument around), I celebrate their pluck and innovation in doing what they can with less resources. And you know, the movies may be crude and repetitive, but they provide work for a few people, give people a way to hone their craft, and provide entertainment to the masses. Keep on keepin' on, I say/ - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:55:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood I think that the problem is that people forget how expensive it is to make a movie. Just renting the
Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey'
That is not a bad idea, but this generation is more interested in computer graphics then a real good story line. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:40 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey' Whenever H'Wood remakes something, some moe-ronic person will say that it's being done for this/the next generation to appreciate. Why not sit the generation in question down and show them the *original*? Allow them to appreciate *it*? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey' Date : Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:05:07 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You think that is bad? They are starting to make fairy tales over now. First there is Alice in Wonderland, and they just announced that DiCaprio is making Little red riding hood. Hmm I wonder which will be next? Pinocchio or the three little pigs? On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: i just don't see the point of remaking the movie, no matter who's in the lead. Lord I wish H'wood could just leave some properties alone! - Original Message - From: brent wodehouse To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:46:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana 'Harvey' http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/were-drawing-closer-to-a-will-smithzoe-saldana-harvey.php Predictions We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana Harvey Written by Kyle Buchanan | 05 Aug 2009 Variety announced today that Tom Hanks has decided not to star in Steven Spielberg’s remake of Harvey, avoiding exactly the kind of unwinnable and unimaginative comparisons to Jimmy Stewart that we warned him against. So what’s next for the project? We can guess! At this point, it seems utterly inevitable that Spielberg will tap Will Smith to star - after all, the actor was in the mix when the project was first announced, and his shooting schedule is completely clear in 2010. Without pressing sequel commitments and with most of his star vehicles still in development (including a Spielberg-helmed redo of Oldboy), Smith would appear to have this one sewn up. And while we’re making predictions, here’s another: If Smith gets the nod, expect Zoe Saldana to be cast as his skeptical sister. She’s worked with Spielberg before on The Terminal, she’ll be coming off a stellar 2009, and she’s got no projects set with a definite date next year (since the Star Trek sequel is still in the planning stages). I’m still willing to be surprised, but methinks you don’t remake Harvey if you’re intent on throwing audiences for a loop. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Is a Jericho wrap-up TV movie in the works?
I think it would be a good idea if the story is done right and just not thrown together. It would appear that CBS as of late has this habit of having shows on but not giving it a chance to have a good send off. Perhaps they should have a network just for shows that are yank and no idea where they went. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:43 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Is a Jericho wrap-up TV movie in the works? Smiles, everyone! http://scifiwire.com/2009/07/is-a-jericho-wrap-up-tv-m.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Funny or Die: Obama Debunks Birthers
Perhaps a Star Trek and BSG cross. Besides if he was a cylon (sp) then that would mean that the NASA is greasing up the air lock, I smell a shooting out a coming. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:25 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Funny or Die: Obama Debunks Birthers I'm ready for a BSG reboot. :) A rip through time and space thrust a ship of 7 cylons onto the planet earth 1940s. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:08 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://binaf.notlong.com This is hilarious. I did not tag it as OT because there is something for you Battlestar Galactica fans. Wait for it. ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood
No offense I think that Heroes is going to try to be around for a long time. The thing that I am wondering about the show is if they want to kill Sylar why haven't they all got together and have or had a meeting and use Hero one good time and go back to the past where Sylar was born and just I don't know kill him when he was a baby. Cruel but that would end the run and they could get over the kick that we can't kill him but each season we have to save the world and Clare can't die. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood Yep, and the quickly and cheaply made fare works for good cheap fun. I find your analysis of those three countries interesting. I think off Mexico, with its telenovella's, the short-lived series that come and go ina year or so, and are highly watched by the masses. Another model of doing it cheap (relative to other productions) and quick, keeping profits high. I've long advocated a telenovella approach in the States. I think shows like Lost and Heroes' could benefit from a fixed run where they get in, tell the story, then get out. Interesting that these countries where there's so much poverty can do some interesting, innovative fare, while we, with all our money, turn out sometimes equally bad junk with a higher price tag--SyFy movies, anyone? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 10:46:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood You're right. I forgot to bring that up in my last post. Most of the people in Nigeria only make about $200 a year compared to the US. But their movie industry is thriving because there are people that can afford tvs and vcrs and dvds there in the cities. The eastern and northern parts of Nigeria is very rural. (The northern part is muslim.) They also turn out 4 times as many films as they do here because their business model is completely different. They make movies for direct to dvd release instead of theatrical release. That's a big difference in how things are done and frees up the limited funds for more films and profit potential instead of risking a large amount of making film stock, securing theaters, marketing etc. There are some similarities between Nollywood, Hong Kong, and Bollywood. All three have severe poverty and a very small wealthy class. The middle class is also very healthy in all three despite the problems in the rest of the world. So that leaves them with a lot of disposable income. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I say more power to them. Living here in America--with DVD's, Hulu, VCRs, hundreds of channels, Blockbuster, iPods--we indeed forget how expensive all these things are. We forget that even the poorest people in America can sometimes manage to get cable TV, or at least TV using rabbit ears, maybe even take in a movie now and then. You have countries like Germany were no talent hacks like Uwe Bole get subsidized by the government to make bad films. As you say, none of that exists in Nigeria. And just as black Americans revolutionized everything from basketball (ball and a goal, rather cheap fun versus, say, ice hockey or golf) to rap (the voice is the cheapest instrument around), I celebrate their pluck and innovation in doing what they can with less resources. And you know, the movies may be crude and repetitive, but they provide work for a few people, give people a way to hone their craft, and provide entertainment to the masses. Keep on keepin' on, I say/ - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:55:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Article: African Americans tune into Nollywood I think that the problem is that people forget how expensive it is to make a movie. Just renting the camera can be $5-10,000 a day. (digital video is a blessing) This forces people into doing a very short shooting schedule of 4 or 5 days unlike hollywood. add to that the crew, permits etc (it can cost $5000 or more to shoot in San Francisco on the street with all of the permits. Most directors can't afford it so they do it illegally.) On top of that there is editing, sound and post production, music licensing etc. A simple film can be $1,000,000 while a bigger film can cost $20 million. In Nigeria none of this exists. They don't have the cash, the crew, or expertise yet. BUT, I think that there will be some directors sooner or later that will get tired of making the melodramas that they are putting out and break the mold. It is just a matter of time. I would love to see some stories with a distinct african
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Foundation-like
I was a sci-fi reader before my 30's and I am still one. To be honest, I per SF over anything else. --Lavender -- From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Foundation-like Is it possible to become a sci-fi reader in one's thirties? I have always considered SF a young person's game - if you don't get the bug early you seldom get it. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have suggested a great book to someone post thirty to only be met with a I don't read science fiction. ~(no)rave! (by-the-by: regarding Asimov, his style has always left me cold. I am a Sir Arthur C. Clarke guy, myself). --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, marian_changling md_moor...@... wrote: I am going to guess that she is in her thirties. I groaned when I heard that she was reading the book. Mainly because SF of that era was strong on ideas and less so with characterization. I remember loving the book but I don't know if I could read it now. Now I might sit back and gripe that there were no real female characters. I'm concerned that she might think that is what SF is like. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Marian, the Hyperion series is about the closest I can think of in comparison, in terms of scope and depth of event and characterization. Having read both, I wouldn't dis-recommend Hyperion. I would, however, suggest Foundation first. Can I be rude and inquire as to your friend's age? A few SF book recommends I've made recently have faltered because I've advised books written during my generation to people of a later one, and many of the cultural constructs are incomprehensible to them. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Foundation-like Date : Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:27:06 - From : marian_changling md_moore42@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I have a friend who started Asimov's Foundation series because of the theme. Now she is faltering. I wouldn't be surprised if it is because of 1940's style of writing. Anyone know a modern book with a similar theme? Has no one taken up the mantle of psychohistory from Asimov? Wikipedia mentions a number of graphic novels and Hyperion. I never read that one; anyone know anything about it? Anyone have another suggestion? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] forget Tweetdeck -- Use HootSuite instead!
I use Bdule. It allows you to have real updates with Facebook as well as Twitter. Also does not take up a lot of RAM. --Lavender From: Reece Jennings Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:44 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] forget Tweetdeck -- Use HootSuite instead! I told a friend of mine about Tweetdeck, and he told me about HootSuite. I already dumped and uninstalled Tweetdeck. HootSuite is web-based. Nothing installed on your computer. Plus, a lot more features! Try HootSuite 2.0. So many cool features it will certainly make your Tweeter experience more enjoyable. http://www.hootsuite.com People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Alert. Alert. Alert.
Opps, I am late. --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:05 AM To: Black SciFi Cc: Sci Fi Subject: [scifinoir2] Alert. Alert. Alert. BSG is running on SyFy right now. that lovely series finale 'Daybreak Parts 1, 2 and 3 start at 1pm (EST). i know u all are going 2 rewatch it right? :-) Fate.
Re: [scifinoir2] Beyonce Single Ladies (the Clown edition especially 4 Martin)
This is funny but not the fact of her getting her head bumped. But I suppose this is why all the single clowns shouldn't put their hands up! --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:36 PM To: Sci Fi Subject: [scifinoir2] Beyonce Single Ladies (the Clown edition especially 4 Martin) Sorry Dude, but i had 2! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePNWCniwgfo Fate. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites
I have to agree, I mean they did not have to use her and she did not have that sexy flair to her either. I would love to have Gillian Anderson on the show. You know some type of mockery of the X Files. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:57 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Lavendar, I get the feeling that it's going to be a fair mix of mystical and technological stuff they'll be hunting for. If I may add here, the new ep following Eureka last night was a little better, IMO. More in flow, fewer odd quirks (though there were still plenty). And they really could've left Number Sex -- uh, Six, forgive me -- on the shelf here. Any other actress could've played that role, and probably brought more to it. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites Date : Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:52:20 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com OK I did watch Warehouse 13 and I did thought that it was an updated version of X-files. Or with a hipper view on it. But it never dawn on me to think of Friday 13th the Series. That was my show and I love Ryan more then his cousin. But with that comparison the items on 13 is not that mystical as it was on Friday 13th. --Lavender From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Syfy's New Flagships Recycle Old Favorites By Sarah Hope Williams, 2:00 PM on Sun Jul 12 2009 Copy this whole post to another site Slurp cancel Syfy is back, now with Ys, vying even harder for your attention. But the network's name isn't the only thing that has been re-purposed; its new staple shows seem oddly familiar. Why is Syfy so unapologetically recycling old television? Syfy is trying to impress us with its new look and new shows, like a small-town girl who moves to the big city to be an actress, bleaches her hair platinum blonde and changes her name. And while we remain skeptical of clichéd reinvention, we have to admit - it worked for Norma Jeane. Warehouse 13 premiered this week on Syfy, and many viewers were filled with a strong sense of Déjà vu. A pair of odd-couple government agents are sent to investigate paranormal activity, blatantly setting the characters up as replicas of Mulder and Scully. Couldn't Syfy at least have mixed things up a bit by making Pete being the by-the-book skeptic and Myka being the intuitive true-believer? But it's not just the agents themselves that are borrowed directly from the archives: The name of show, and its very concept, evokes another direct influence: the quirky Canadian series Friday the 13th that aired in 1987, about a pair of cousins who inherit an antique shop that turns out to be filled with supernatural artifacts. They too are aided by an eccentric middle-aged man with a vast knowledge of the supernatural. In Friday, the female lead is named Micki, and Warehouse's tight-laced female agent is Myka - here again, Syfy strives to make things new and shiny by swapping ys for is. This isn't a new approach by any means. When Syfy's old staple show, Eureka, first premiered in 2006, its premise was equally familiar; government official gets sent to a small town in the Pacific Northwest to investigate a strange occurrence, teams up with local law enforcement and becomes deeply embroiled in the wacky little town and all its colorful characters. Sheriff Carter is no Agent Cooper, but the sense of odd familiarity about the show was undeniable. Eureka appeared to be a candy-coated kid's coloring-book version of Twin Peaks. The question remains, why isn't Syfy trying harder to hide its repackaging of television we already know and love? Do they hope that by transparently recycling these well-worn television tropes they can take a direct route to high ratings and fan admiration? Certainly the ever-increasing number of movie sequels indicates more of the same is a safe bet. Syfy already seems to be engaged in rebooting even more 80's television, including Quantum Leap and Alien Nation. It is remarkable how much attention all these new shows have gotten on blogs, message boards and by word of mouth. Perhaps the network executives at Syfy know the game better than we imagine, and are inviting us to play along as we watch them pressing our buttons. But don't they also know that familiarity breeds contempt? You have our attention, Syfy - now can you show us something new? http://io9.com/5312950/syfys-new-flagships-recycle-old-favorites People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth
When I was younger or a kid I wanted to be bit by one. But since where I loved Santa did not have a chimney to come down so I know that vampires would not come over to see me. Now before I get the bad comments I am talking about the sexy cute ones. You know like someone like Mick on Moonlight. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:17 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth They weren't even close to any kind of vampire. More like intelligent slow moving zombies. They couldn't break into his house because he put up some mirrors and a few 2x4s on the windows. There was a hybrid type that was a group of scientists and other folks that came up with a vaccine that cured them temporarily. They were killing off the other vampire folks. I didn't understand why they wanted to kill Vincent Price though. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wlro...@aol.com wrote: Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones? --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth
Are we talking about sexy vampires or just your regular want to suck your blood ones? --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:14 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: the last man on earth I'm watching the original movie starring Vincent Price on my local PBS station. I think that if they had made the Will Smith movie with vampires instead of zombies it would have been more interesting. What do you think? People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables
Not paying attention I suppose? --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables I guess the next logical question would be, if the bullets didn't hurt him. Why do they think throwing the gun at him would? On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Let us remember -- this is *H'Wood* of which we speak. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:52:30 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hah! Good question! I guess no one did a logic check on some of this stuff. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: (shrugs) Not willing to take the chance that the gun might be made of kryptonite? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] One of life's great impondrables Date : Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:37:22 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Why did Superman always duck a thrown pistol after its contents had just bounced off his chest? ~rave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale
Well, it could be worst. A live version of Pac-Man. Or Dig Dug with Will Farrell (sp). --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale That might explain why Universal insists on greenlighting these Hasbro game movies, and are now moving on to Atari, having just greenlit Asteroids. Anybody wanna go in with me on a treatment for Bezerk or Defender? Tempest? Anyone? On Jul 6, 2009, at 12:41 PM, ravenadal wrote: It has been my humble opinion that Hollywood has long operated as a washing machine to clean mob money. One of the biggest sausage factories of the last millenium, Universal Pictures, was long run by Lew Wasserman who began by booking talent into mob operated night clubs and had more than a few mob connections. Today, actors often scoff when they hear what they were allegedly paid to star in a movie because they likely received half of that amount. The rest is the money being laundered. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: There may be something like that already going on in Hollywood. There are a number of films that they know as soon as they are green lit that they will fail. Frankenhood and Soulplane come to mind. There are also others with white casts that also are made to loose money too. I suspect that they are being used as a write off. At least I hope that they are. There are way too many really bad films making it to the scifi channel that have moderate sized budgets that should have never been made. Like HG Wells War of the Worlds 1 and 2! (Yes. You read that right. They made two!) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: Obsessed is a Black film, actually. This loophole in finance Uwe has been ridin g is something Black filmmakers could/should use to make larger budget films in other countries. There are so many horror scripts that don' t get made in Hollywood that could be getting done in Europe! On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, ravenadal wrote: I am watching something called In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale on Showtime. The movie stars Jason Statham and the cast includes such stellar actors as Ron (Hellboy) Perlman, Ray (Goodfellas) Liotta - shamelessly chewing up scenery as Gallion, the prolific John Rhys-Davies, Burt Smokey and the Bandit Reynolds, Claire Meet Joe Black Forlani, Leelee (Deep Impact) Sobieski and Brian J. White (The Shield, Moonlight) wearing a nasty looking scar as Commander Tarish. The movie is directed by German born schlockmiester Uwe Boll, best known for his BloodRayne movies. I had never heard of this movie so I went to IMDB, Box Office Mojo and Wikipedia and discovered In the Name of the King cost $60 million and grossed a robust $13 million worldwide. Then I discoverd the first BloodRayne cost $25 million and grossed a whopping $2.42 million. WTF! Then I discovered that Boll is very successfully manipulating a lucrative loophole in German tax laws. Boll is able to acquire funding thanks to German tax laws that reward investments in film. The law allows investors in German-owned films to write off 100% of their investment as a tax deduction; it also allows them to invest borrowed money and write off any fees associated with the loan. The investor is then only required to pay taxes on the profits made by the movie; if the movie loses money, the investor gets a tax writeoff. Imagine, thought I, if black filmmakers were able to exploit such a loophole? Everybody KNOWS black films don't make money. What an excellent opportunity to make all the black epics everyone dreams of but nobody dares risk the money to make. What a bonanza! You could hire all the known but under utilized black actors and actresses - pay them top dollar - WTF? We are TRYING to lose money after all! Let Vin Diesel make his Hannibal. Let Spike Lee make his Tuskegee Airmen. Let the Hughes Brothers make whatever they want. Hell, let me film The World Ebon. Shoot, I could burn through a coupla hundred million dollars real quick! Imagine the mishmash of casts you could come up with! What would be your dream project? ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game
No offense, I don't care how much a bargain that was. I could use that money for something else. Well--perhaps a game but not that one. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? *** http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 The $17,500 video game by Mike Smith Buzz up! July 6 1:32 P.M. Would you pay $17,500 for this? Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane $17,500 for an obscure NES game from 1990. The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a cool $25,000. People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game
Well, the question is does it still play and does his NES still play? --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:15 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game Amen to that, Mr Worf! And I, a video-game fan since the day video games first entered my worldview over twenty-five years ago, have *never heard* of that game. Odds are, he can only get a reaction out of equally hyper-rabid fans by showing it off. And he'd better hope that none of them have sticky fingers. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Man Pays Thousands for Obscure Video Game Date : Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:24:25 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com He could have bought the distribution rights for the game for less money. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Wow, talk about a fan. How many PS3's, Wii's, XBox 360's, Sega Genesis' (I still have that console, it's great), SNES' (ditto), and 3DO's --complete with full game libraries--could he have bought with that much dough? *** http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/the-17-500-video-game/1332488 The $17,500 video game by Mike Smith Buzz up! July 6 1:32 P.M. [image: $17000 Game] Would you pay $17,500 for this? Think $60 video games are too expensive? You won't hear any argument from us, but you might from JJ Hendricks, a collector who just paid a clinically insane $17,500for an obscure NES game from 1990. The game in question is an ultra-rare, gold-colored version of Nintendo World Championships, a cartridge specially produced for use in a Nintendo-sponsored gaming contest. According to Wikipedia only 26 were created, and Hendricks calls it the Holy Grail of video game collectors. The game itself has a time limit of just 6 minutes and 21 seconds and consists of three short segments from other NES games: Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and Rad Racer. Players are scored according to their performance in each game, and their scores are totaled once the time limit expires. Doesn't sound too riveting to us, but then somehow we doubt Hendricks is in it for the gameplay. And while $17,500 might seem a bit much for a collection of ones and zeroes, Hendricks actually got a bargain: the game was originally listed on eBay for a cool $25,000. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Best Red Shirt Death EVER!
Imagine in the trek universe. You join Starfleet, your parents are happy that you join. I am sure they read the news and you come home from the academy and you walk in with a red shirt on. The first thing I would think of--there goes my chance of having grand kids. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 12:27 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Best Red Shirt Death EVER! Thanks for the big up's (back at ya), but that ain't a red shirt. Red shirts were always associated with Security. Name one memorable death where you said Uh-oh, red shirt guy's gonna buy it ,and the guy was from Engineering? None. Off the top of my head (all from the OS): On the non-Security side: The young lady crushed in powdered form in By Any Other Name - a Yeoman (Bridge crew?) The dude killed when he caught a Troyan male monkeying around with the ship's engines - Engineering The guy vaporized when stepping into an energy tap beam generated by M5 - Engineering The guy who died screaming when the lady touched him in That Which Survives - Engineering The guy strangled by a cable courtesy of Gary Mitchell's TK in Where No Man Has Gone Before - Bridge crew The dude who died when inhaling phaser coolant in Balance of Terror - Phaser crew (is that Weapons/Security/Engineering?) ...and on the Security side: The dude that the giant android Ruk throw off a ledge in What Are Little Girls Made of? - Security The guy killed by a killer flower's thorns in The Apple - Security The guy killed when he stepped on an exploding rock in The Apple - Security The guy killed when incinerated by a bolt of lightning in The Apple - Security The guy vaporized by disruptor fire in Arena - Security Another guy killed (off camera) by the Gorn in Arena - Security The bloke killed by a spear to the gut in Galileo Seven - Security The guy killed when one of the giant cavemen pummels him in Galileo Seven - Security The over eager young guy killed by a sharp throwing weapon in Friday's Child - Security The young guy who died by accelerated aging after skin damage in Wink of an Eye - Security The poor slob disintegrated by Captain Tracy in The Omega Glory - Security The two (!) jokers zapped into oblivion at the same time in The Ultimate Computer - Security The man who fell over dead, and then a voice came from his dead body in Catspaw - Security One nameless Red Shirt sizzled like a steak by the Horta in Devil in the Dark - Security Two dudes beamed into empty space in And the Children Shall Lead - Security The (three?) men drained of their blood by the killer cloud in Obsession - Security Like I said, Red shirt means Security. Another little trivial detail missed by the writers. - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:07:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Best Red Shirt Death EVER! Keith, I luv ya like a scifinoir brutha but come on! Red shirt + death = BEST RED SHIRT DEATH - EVER! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Technically speaking, is it a true red-shirt death, as Olsen was an Engineering crewman, not from Security--the source of the vast majority of such deaths in the OS? Indeed, the only other Engineering red shirt death I can recall offhand was the dude who was vaporized when he inadvertently was in the wrong place when the computer M5 zapped him with a new energy tap. So I wouldn't really call this a red shirt death. Another thing I can complain about in the changed Trek reality that is this movie! :) - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:17:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Best Red Shirt Death EVER! It was wild. My husband and I did the same thing - great minds. Great tribute death to all red shirts. I guess if had a brief moment of being the plucky comic relief - any Galaxy Quest Fans here? I hope the give us a great one in the sequel I too really liked the Spock Uhuru connection. In my view, it was a stroke of genius. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Best Red Shirt Death EVER! I waited until my 20 year-old son returned home from college to see the new Star Trek movie with him this weekend. Apparently, the movie is still going strong, at least at the upscale IPIC theater where we saw it in adjacent reclining Barcaloungers. We were unable to get adjacent seats at either of the first two showings we attempted to buy tickets for and had to opt for a viewing three hours later. We had a ball watching it, then had big fun
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press?
OK I know I am late, but please forgive, I did not know you were an author. --Lavender From: Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I got a bit of advice from a writer friend of mine.He told me my audience was anyone who reads. He told me don't tell them my book is either science fiction or fantasy, just tell them what it's about. Get them into the story, not the genre. It's worked pretty well so far. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:36 PM It might be a combination of all of that, Milton. Yes, Black Women will set up book clubs, and discuss books, etc. But when I mention Sci-Fi to most Black Women, and even try to get the to read some of Ms. Butler's books, they tend to pre-judge and reject without looking. So I keep it to myself...except here, of course.. I think a lot of women are cutting off a vast expanse of great reading by pre-judging SF. From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know a lot a black male fans of Butler. I just seems in my experience most of her fans I've met were black females. But then again that might be because black females read a lot more than we brothers. --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:37 PM That comprises a graduating class of considerable note. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:52 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I love her. She's my favorite because of the social aspect of her writing. I've been a Black Male all say (peeking to make sure!) Of course, we are both 1947 Cancerians, so that might have something to do with it! :o) _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Milton Davis Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:32 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? I know plenty young black science fiction fans that credit Octavia Butler as the beacon that led them to science fiction. I'm an old school science fiction fan, raised on Assimov, Delany, Herbert and Ellision. I like Butler's work, but I consider it more social science fiction. She deals more with relationships and issues rather than the technical aspect of science fiction, which we all know gets more attention. I think that's the reason her prose seems to have special appeal to black female science fiction fans. I enjoyed everything I've read by her but I can't say I'm a fan. She was a greater writer than I'll probably ever be and got her respect among the sci/fi elite if not the mainstream. --- On Wed, 6/24/09, B. Smith wrote: From: B. Smith Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream sci-fi press? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:19 AM She's highly regarded but not given the same respect as the legendary hard sci-fi types. Her work falls into the more
Re: [scifinoir2] for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2
Hi Mr. Votomguy. I have not played any of those games. But the games that I am playing is/are Star Trek Legacy and just recently got Ghostbusters. --Lavender -- From: votomguy votom...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] for the Gamers (Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games) Pt 2 As a gamer, I hate to say that I don't visit this site as often as I would like. (I often get sucked into gaming forums) Anywho I thought I'd try to revive this thread and see what happens. My favorite Games are Heavy Gear, Battletech, Vor: the Maelstrom, Void, CAV. I'm currently playing Heavy Gear, Necromunda and I have a Primal Horizon demo on Friday. I have pics of some games that I've played that I wouldn't mind posting. (if it's ok with the admins) Like most gamers, I don't think any of the games I like would translate into movies, but there are Battletech, Vor, and Necromunda novels. I wouldn't mind seeing some Heavy Gear novels. Anywho, what are YOU playing? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdli...@... wrote: Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden on this list. Let's change that Why don't you guys come out of hiding. Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see be made into movies and those you hate. Also, tell us why. Thanks Tracey Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
I have never heard of that story and not saying that it is not true. Makes me wonder did or was Kirk character was model after him in some way? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro
Re: [scifinoir2] Scientists Discuss Causes, Repercussions of Warp Drive
Yes, I think it was more so STNG. The warp drive is a mirror to what pollution is to us today. We depend on the things that help us in our way of life. But in this episode the thing that every depends on the most--was killing their home and area of space. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:03 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Scientists Discuss Causes, Repercussions of Warp Drive You know this reminded me of an episode of Voyager or DS9 where there were dead spots in the universe where warp drives wouldn't work because the warp drives were doing something to the tachyons? Anyone remember that episode? On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Fascinating stuff, especially the whole thing about whether we live in a 1 +1 = 2 or 1 + 1 = 3 universe. But something struck me as odd about this article: the subject doesn't fit the title. The title--which I admit caught my eye--is all about black holes swallowing Earth. The body of the article, however, is more about the Alcubierre drive, how it could work, and whether the method is even the right one for our dimension.The black hole danger is only one small, frankly insignificant, facet of the piece. Wow: sensationalist, attention-grabbing headlines even in advanced science? Now I know the Apocalypse is near! * http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/11/warp-drive-engine-02.html June 11, 2009 -- Star Trek makes faster-than-light travel look easy, but according to new calculations by Italian physicists, a warp drive could easily create a black hole that would incinerate any passengers on a space craft and then suck Earth into a black hole. Warp drives are so far the best case scenario to attain faster-than-light travel, said Stefano Finazzi of Italy's International School for Advanced Studies. This paper makes it much harder to realize, if not almost impossible, warp drives. WATCH VIDEO: Explore the possibilities of time travel with Michio Kaku. In normal physics, nothing can move faster than the speed of light. Einstein's theory of relativity forbids it. In normal space any object approaching the speed of light will increase in mass exponentially, and require an exponential increase in the amount of power needed to propel it forward. There are two exceptions to this rule however. The first is what's commonly called a worm hole, a bridge connecting two different parts of space. A ship crossing this bridge would move at below light speed, but still arrive before a beam of light that would have had to go the long way around. Warp drives are the second and more appealing option. A ship can't move through space faster than the speed of light. But with enough energy, space itself can move faster than the speed of light. Known for the Mexican physicist Michael Alcubierre who originally developed the idea in the 1990's, an Alcubierre warp drive would create a bubble of energy behind the ship and a lack of energy in front of the ship, like a giant cosmic wave a space ship could surf. That particular section of space can travel faster than the speed of light in the surrounding space, and anything on or in that bubble will accelerate with it. Finazzi and his colleagues propose creating this bubble of space-time by using a massive amount of exotic matter, or dark energy. (Exactly how this bubble would be created is still a mystery.) According to their calculations and simplified, it would take a huge amount of energy to create the bubble, and then increasing amounts of energy to contain the highly repulsive dark energy. Eventually the energy would run out. The bubble would rupture, with catastrophic effects. Inside the bubble the temperature would rise to about 10^32 degrees Kelvin, destroying almost anything on the bubble. Anyone watching the ship nearby wouldn't be much better off. We know that the warp drive will be destabilized, said Finazzi. But we do not know if it will in the end explode or collapse to a black hole. Other physicists agree with the Italians' calculations, up to a point. It's a good paper; their results are sound, said Gerald Cleaver, a professor of physics at Baylor University who reviewed the work. The results make sense, at least, when creating warp drive using exotic matter in a universe where 1 plus 1 equals 2. In a universe where 1 plus 1 equals 3, a possibility with string theory instead of the semi classical physics used by the Italians, a stable warp drive is viable. Last year Cleaver and co-author Richard Obousy detailed a string theory-based warp drive that creates a bubble of space time by expanding one of the tiny, rolled-up dimensions (instead of a bubble of dark energy) predicted by string theory. The biggest sticking point to a extra dimension-based warp drive? The entire mass of Jupiter
Re: [scifinoir2] I'm just sitting here...
Oh just in case you also wanted another tid bit of information. He also played on the season finale of Numb3rs as the bad guy that kid napped Charlie's girlfriend. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] I'm just sitting here... Oh, well, if it's based on the Goosebumps guy, that explains it being good... By the way, did you watch that Arthurian movie last week on SciFi, starring the dude who played Baltar on BSG? He played Merlin, helping Arthur's daughter, and a handful of old knights and their sons fight some dopey villain who was controlling monsters by use of a magical bestiary. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:51:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] I'm just sitting here... ... surfing the Web, flipping channels on the side because I'm too danged lazy to find my TV guide to see if anything's on, and I fall across Skiffy/Siffy. And, to my surprise, I *like* what I'm watching. It's about to go off in about fifteen minutes at this typing, so don't go lunging for the remote. It's called When Good Ghouls Go Bad, with Chris Doc Brown Lloyd. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0279513/ It's based on an R.L. Stine story, and it's genuinely good, in a campy, kiddie-fare sort of way. Has anyone else seen it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
Hi Mr. Jennings, try this link http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx?ITPID=mscomsl If you have another hard drive great if you have Vista already it would be as simple as an upgrade. But if I recall correct you can not do an upgrade from XP. --Lavender From: Reece Jennings Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi I heard about it! Can I get a copy? Is it on Microsoft's sites? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wlro...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:08 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi I have had really not too many problems with Vista other then like you have said or did not was the crashing. Which I have heard with the sp2 that issue has been solved. For the most part right now I am using Windows 7 RC. I have to say I love it more so then Windows Vista. Have you tried it or heard about it? --Lavender From: Reece Jennings Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 9:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi Martin, I own 2 HP laptops, a Pavilion HP desktop, and 2 HP printers. The only machines I have owned since 1996 have been HPs bought at huge discounts from Sam's Club. The 3 machines are on my wireless network. The only problem I have had has been VISTA (PTOOO!). I have Microsoft OneCare for firewall, Virus protection, and everything security involved. It even set up my wireless network and password protected it. I'm happy. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:05 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi Keith, I've never owned one of those pieces of crap personally. During the two years I worked for the Virginia mental health care system (from the outside in, lest anyone wonder), I was tasked with transferring datafiles from an HP 100 mainframe to an HP 220 or 250 (not sure, because I didn't sleep much in those days, psych trauma being the bear it is). The newer system was state-of-the-art touch screen tech, meaning that anytime that anyTHING touched the screen, from an odd eraser stroke while regarding a dataline to a fly alighting on the screen, everything would auto-save, costing me ten minutes each time. And, as I'm told is still the case with HP printers, you couldn't turn the things off. If the power so much as blinked, say goodbye to a day's work. No thanks. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi Date : Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:26:41 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What kind of HP's did y'all have? My first storebought PC was an HP Pavilion 7270, purchased way back in 1996 or so. It ran for over twelve years with no real problems, until I simply turned it off. Now, it wasn't exactly upgradeable. There was only so much RAM it could handle. But that was standard for many PCs of that era. Working on it was a bit of a pain because it had that old daughterboard configuration (a separate board inside the PC that sat underneath the main motherboard). It was hard to move around inside, and the two boards had to be decoupled for major work. But still, I was able to upgrade RAM, add a second hard drive, tape backup, and even a USB card. It was a good computer. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 9:06:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi And, if I may add, your HP couldn't have suicided, because it would have to have a *soul* to have accomplished that. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi Date : Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, I have two excuses...The first is my HP suicided over a year ago and I could not afford to replace the motherboard for fear my son would eat me if I stopped feeding him...The other is I am a fledgling carpenter looking for a journeyman to study my craft under (you can stop snickering Martin!)plus I've been doing handyman stuff to make ends meet while I dream about being a cabinet maker one day...(Okay, just go ahead and finish laughing, Martin...you look a bit undignified with tears running down your face...) --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Keith
Re: [scifinoir2] Look Up
I have to agree with you assessment of the movie due to the fact that I saw it yesterday. I love the beginning. How when we have love ones how they leave and our lives continue. The things that we have not done but always said that we would. I love the pace and the jokes in the movieSorry--squirrel. (Inside joke if you saw the movie) Did you get a chance to see the movie in 3-D? It was good to me either way. I love that after all this time when he looks in the book he finally reads the note she left. For those who have not seen it--I will not say what it is. But then it was more so an shocker for him. One I think or thought that he needed. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Look Up Gotta make this quick. Need to get some shuteye, got a busy day today. Went to see Up Sunday, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's Pixar, which continues to mean quality, I'm glad to say. Movie starts off with an amusing, delightful, and ultimately poignant history of the lead character's life that had me grinning, laughing, and--I'm not ashamed to admit--tearing up. All in the first five minutes or so, much of it told without the benefit of sound. Colors are amazingly bright and beautiful, especially those balloons, and the detail is amazing. The characters are good, especially Ed Asner's portrayal of the old dude, which is warm, cranky, a bit mean at times, but ultimately very human and real. Has enough adventure and gags and laughs for kids, and moments of loss and reminiscence and hope to keep the adults engaged. I remember tearing up at least three times (having lost both parents, a beloved mother-in-law, several relatives, a job, and dealing with some health problems in the last few years, I admit I'm a bit more tenderhearted nowadays). I looked around to see men and women sniffling more than once. Like me, the guys tried to be a bit surreptious--you know, choking on a jalepeno or something. There was some concern that audiences wouldn't respond to a film where the lead character is an eighty year old widower. Balderdash! Good stories are good stories, and this is a really good film. It's becoming cliched to say, but Pixar does it again. Longer review whenever I have time this week. Work's a bear... People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
No not that one but I know what you were talking about. I think it was called Midnight Love. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 10:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Yeah I remember that one. Was that the late night one that had older love songs? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Then there was a show back in the day called Video Soul --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People BET had a show, Caribbean Rhythmns, hosted by yet another light-skinned sister (that was almost all they used back then) named Rachel. It was a music video show. I think that was the extent of their Caribbean presence... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:16:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Not if you count places like Jamaica, and the rest of the Caribbean, and Canada. I guess what I am saying is that BET never developed a real niche or direction (or quality control) after being around about the same amount of time as Telemundo. Now Telemundo has 3 or 4 channels where I live. BET was sold, and TVone (completely different company) is barely on the air. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Agreed. I've long lamented the sad fact that the Latin-themed cable channels far exceed the Black ones in terms of drama and variety. Of course, maybe it can be argued that Latinoes in this hemisphere have more collective viewing power than Blacks--if South and Central America are added to the mix--but I wonder... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 12:46:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People I really disliked BET for a long time, because they pretty much wasted the opportunity to create an incredible conduit for all types of black entertainment. (a couple of exceptions but not many) Compare it to Telemundo that has several long running shows and award winning news programming. BET could have gone with a similar business model with their own unique programming but we ended up with mostly fluff and garbage. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: The only thing BET had going for it back in the day were a few talk and news shows. There was the news show BET tonight (with, at various times, Ed Gordon and Tavis Smiley). There was a talk show with the great Bev Smith--who, curiously, was the *only* dark-skinned person hosting a major show in BET for quite a long time. Bev is good, no nonsense, and well informed, and her show reflected her abilities. There was a good show aimed at teens that aired on Saturdays (I think it was called Teen Beat). Before the gangtsa rap thing really hit, it had a feeling that now I guess we'd call innocent, dealing with real issues like divorce, drugs, school quality, along with having guests who'd come in and talk to the kids. There was music, videos, and dancing, but like I said, it didn't have the harder, more carnal edge that even shows aimed at young adults can have nowadays. Finally, there was a good news talk show hosted by Ed Gordon that had a panel including George Curry and Clarence Page. Good, informed discussions. I forget the name of the show. But curiously, BET chose to air both it and Bev Smith's show on Sundays before noon--when most black folk were at church or brunch! There was even an enjoyable entertainment themed show where Tanya Hart interviewed various celebrity guests. Last I saw, I think Ms. Hart does some kind of gossip stuff, as I see her show up on TMZ-like shows dishing on who's sleeping with whom in Hollywood. But yeah, back then BET had enough shows like the above so that I watched it a least a few hours a week. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:41:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Personally, Michelle, I never got deep enough into BET to judge programming or camera angles or any such. Their systematic mistreatment of women was, to me, nauseating. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2]
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
I suppose it was someone that has no ties to the community took the network over. Personally for me I don't watch the channel. I pass through it and maybe stop to watch reruns of The Parkers. --Lavender -- From: B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Ah the good old days when BET had some watchable programming. That was a different show called Midnight Love. Video Soul was their primetime show with Donny Simpson and Sherry Carter. Lead Story was their roundtable news show and it was very good. Teen Summit was actually pretty good as well. Somewhere along the line they turned that network to crap. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Yeah I remember that one. Was that the late night one that had older love songs? - Original Message - From: wlro...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Then there was a show back in the day called Video Soul --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People BET had a show, Caribbean Rhythmns, hosted by yet another light-skinned sister (that was almost all they used back then) named Rachel. It was a music video show. I think that was the extent of their Caribbean presence... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:16:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Not if you count places like Jamaica, and the rest of the Caribbean, and Canada. I guess what I am saying is that BET never developed a real niche or direction (or quality control) after being around about the same amount of time as Telemundo. Now Telemundo has 3 or 4 channels where I live. BET was sold, and TVone (completely different company) is barely on the air. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Agreed. I've long lamented the sad fact that the Latin-themed cable channels far exceed the Black ones in terms of drama and variety. Of course, maybe it can be argued that Latinoes in this hemisphere have more collective viewing power than Blacks--if South and Central America are added to the mix--but I wonder... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 12:46:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People I really disliked BET for a long time, because they pretty much wasted the opportunity to create an incredible conduit for all types of black entertainment. (a couple of exceptions but not many) Compare it to Telemundo that has several long running shows and award winning news programming. BET could have gone with a similar business model with their own unique programming but we ended up with mostly fluff and garbage. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: The only thing BET had going for it back in the day were a few talk and news shows. There was the news show BET tonight (with, at various times, Ed Gordon and Tavis Smiley). There was a talk show with the great Bev Smith--who, curiously, was the *only* dark-skinned person hosting a major show in BET for quite a long time. Bev is good, no nonsense, and well informed, and her show reflected her abilities. There was a good show aimed at teens that aired on Saturdays (I think it was called Teen Beat). Before the gangtsa rap thing really hit, it had a feeling that now I guess we'd call innocent, dealing with real issues like divorce, drugs, school quality, along with having guests who'd come in and talk to the kids. There was music, videos, and dancing, but like I said, it didn't have the harder, more carnal edge that even shows aimed at young adults can have nowadays. Finally, there was a good news talk show hosted by Ed Gordon that had a panel including George Curry and Clarence Page. Good, informed discussions. I forget the name of the show. But curiously, BET chose to air both it and Bev Smith's show on Sundays before noon--when most black folk were at church or brunch! There was even an enjoyable entertainment themed show where Tanya Hart interviewed various celebrity guests. Last I saw, I think Ms. Hart does some kind of gossip stuff, as I see her show up on TMZ-like shows dishing on who's sleeping with whom in Hollywood. But yeah, back then BET had
Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white?
Looking back on it Mr. Baxter--you are right. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:02 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? Lavendar, I think it was the latter. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? Date : Sat, 6 Jun 2009 19:46:23 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Lets not forget Leforge's mother. She was black but then again she was lost. I suppose that was an indication that if she got lost unlike Janeway she could not find her way back. Or was it her ship was destroyed due to the engineer misgivings. --Lavender From: George Arterberry Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? Very good points. The USA is about to enter a stagnant period in space travel with NASa retiring the shuttle,and China along with India with manned missions to the Moon and Mars in near term. My fear is that space may become militarized fairly quickly and economically for now America is focused elsewhere. As for the article I've seen many ST episodes with Blacks as adimirals but little to say after inspecting the Enterpise or something to that affect.Even had a charater who was a sister and the fastest person ever to reach the rank of captain in Starfleet history.No backstory on her in the show.Too bad she was killed off in novel form. --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Liggins Bill wrote: From: Liggins Bill Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:30 AM What about true life? When was a black astronaut part of the resident crew of the International Space Station? How about never. Black astronauts were among the crews that chauffeured them to the ISS. They stayed a few days then had to leave. But when comes to those resident crews, the ISS is still restricted housing when it comes to blacks. Because of that, black astronauts are not getting the endurance training needed for a mission to Mars. So when it comes time to chose a crew for that Mars mission, black astronauts may be at the bottom of the list. Hopefully this will be reviewed by the new NASA director and changed before NASA loses its leadership in the international space race. Bill Liggins Author of WARNING, a Sci-Fi Novel http://www.authorsd en.com/visit/ author.asp? authorid= 4905 bill_liggins@ yahoo.com --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Curtis, Jr. wrote: From: Curtis, Jr. Subject: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 11:58 PM Blacks in Space If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? Danielle C. Belton | May 29, 2009 Star Trek's Lt. Uhura was a science-fiction pioneer in the 1970s -- a black woman answering the phone, I mean computer, in space. Uhura, played by actress Nichelle Nichols, was the communications officer, a role that would go on to be a popular one for futuristic minorities. While she was groundbreaking in that she was a black woman who survived quite well in space, her story lines were few, her adventures were stunted, and her romances were nonexistent. The philandering Capt. Kirk had to be forced to kiss the comely Uhura -- apparently in the future, interracial lip-lock is just as controversial as it was in the 1970s. Nichols paved the way for Kandyse McClure's character Petty Officer Dualla, a black woman who also starts out answering the phone, on the critically acclaimed Battlestar Galactica series remake that wrapped this year. Dualla fares better than Uhura in that she gets her own story line, experiences a real romance, and has some adventures. But she commits suicide in the final season of the series. And these are the two primary options for blacks in space: Either you're marginalized or killed off. (Or, in the worst-case scenario, you're marginalized and still die.) So when word got out that director J.J. Abrams was set to re-envision the original Star Trek, with a big-budget film released last month, I was looking out for Lt. Uhura. And she is certainly there, played by actress Zoë Saldana. She's right where we left her in the 1970s, still answering the phone. Science-fiction story lines might take place in the future, but they are written in the now. They reflect the mind-set of the creators and the
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
Yes this is true, also this is the company that I think has a saying in what CBS does as well. Either way when Viacom bought it--quality of the content went down. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People BET was bought by Viascum... (viacom) in 1999. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:59 PM, wlro...@aol.com wrote: No not that one but I know what you were talking about. I think it was called Midnight Love. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 10:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Yeah I remember that one. Was that the late night one that had older love songs? - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Then there was a show back in the day called Video Soul --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People BET had a show, Caribbean Rhythmns, hosted by yet another light-skinned sister (that was almost all they used back then) named Rachel. It was a music video show. I think that was the extent of their Caribbean presence... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:16:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Not if you count places like Jamaica, and the rest of the Caribbean, and Canada. I guess what I am saying is that BET never developed a real niche or direction (or quality control) after being around about the same amount of time as Telemundo. Now Telemundo has 3 or 4 channels where I live. BET was sold, and TVone (completely different company) is barely on the air. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Agreed. I've long lamented the sad fact that the Latin-themed cable channels far exceed the Black ones in terms of drama and variety. Of course, maybe it can be argued that Latinoes in this hemisphere have more collective viewing power than Blacks--if South and Central America are added to the mix--but I wonder... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 12:46:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People I really disliked BET for a long time, because they pretty much wasted the opportunity to create an incredible conduit for all types of black entertainment. (a couple of exceptions but not many) Compare it to Telemundo that has several long running shows and award winning news programming. BET could have gone with a similar business model with their own unique programming but we ended up with mostly fluff and garbage. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: The only thing BET had going for it back in the day were a few talk and news shows. There was the news show BET tonight (with, at various times, Ed Gordon and Tavis Smiley). There was a talk show with the great Bev Smith--who, curiously, was the *only* dark-skinned person hosting a major show in BET for quite a long time. Bev is good, no nonsense, and well informed, and her show reflected her abilities. There was a good show aimed at teens that aired on Saturdays (I think it was called Teen Beat). Before the gangtsa rap thing really hit, it had a feeling that now I guess we'd call innocent, dealing with real issues like divorce, drugs, school quality, along with having guests who'd come in and talk to the kids. There was music, videos, and dancing, but like I said, it didn't have the harder, more carnal edge that even shows aimed at young adults can have nowadays. Finally, there was a good news talk show hosted by Ed Gordon that had a panel including George Curry and Clarence Page. Good, informed discussions. I forget the name of the show. But curiously, BET chose to air both it and Bev Smith's show on Sundays before noon--when most black folk were at church or brunch! There was even an enjoyable entertainment themed show where Tanya Hart interviewed various celebrity guests. Last I saw, I think Ms. Hart does some kind of gossip stuff, as I see her show up on TMZ-like shows dishing on who's sleeping with whom in Hollywood. But yeah, back then BET had enough shows like the above so that I watched it a least a few hours a week. - Original Message -
Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
I have had really not too many problems with Vista other then like you have
said or did not was the crashing. Which I have heard with the sp2 that issue
has been solved. For the most part right now I am using Windows 7 RC. I have to
say I love it more so then Windows Vista. Have you tried it or heard about it?
--Lavender
From: Reece Jennings
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 9:46 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
Martin, I own 2 HP laptops, a Pavilion HP desktop, and 2 HP printers. The only
machines I have owned
since 1996 have been HPs bought at huge discounts from Sam's Club. The 3
machines are on my
wireless network. The only problem I have had has been VISTA (PTOOO!). I have
Microsoft OneCare
for firewall, Virus protection, and everything security involved. It even set
up my wireless network and
password protected it. I'm happy.
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:05 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
Keith, I've never owned one of those pieces of crap personally. During
the two years I worked for the Virginia mental health care system (from the
outside in, lest anyone wonder), I was tasked with transferring datafiles from
an HP 100 mainframe to an HP 220 or 250 (not sure, because I didn't sleep much
in those days, psych trauma being the bear it is). The newer system was
state-of-the-art touch screen tech, meaning that anytime that anyTHING touched
the screen, from an odd eraser stroke while regarding a dataline to a fly
alighting on the screen, everything would auto-save, costing me ten minutes
each time. And, as I'm told is still the case with HP printers, you couldn't
turn the things off. If the power so much as blinked, say goodbye to a day's
work.
No thanks.
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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
Date : Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:26:41 + (UTC)
From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
What kind of HP's did y'all have? My first storebought PC was an HP
Pavilion 7270, purchased way back in 1996 or so. It ran for over twelve years
with no real problems, until I simply turned it off. Now, it wasn't exactly
upgradeable. There was only so much RAM it could handle. But that was standard
for many PCs of that era. Working on it was a bit of a pain because it had that
old daughterboard configuration (a separate board inside the PC that sat
underneath the main motherboard). It was hard to move around inside, and the
two boards had to be decoupled for major work. But still, I was able to upgrade
RAM, add a second hard drive, tape backup, and even a USB card. It was a good
computer.
- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 9:06:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
And, if I may add, your HP couldn't have suicided, because it would have
to have a *soul* to have accomplished that.
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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
Date : Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:12:31 -0700 (PDT)
From : C.W. Badie
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Well, I have two excuses...The first is my HP suicided over a year ago
and I could not afford to replace the motherboard for fear my son would eat me
if I stopped feeding him...The other is I am a fledgling carpenter looking for
a journeyman to study my craft under (you can stop snickering Martin!)plus
I've been doing handyman stuff to make ends meet while I dream about being a
cabinet maker one day...(Okay, just go ahead and finish laughing, Martin...you
look a bit undignified with tears running down your face...)
--- On Fri, 6/5/09, Keith Johnson wrote:
From: Keith Johnson
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 10:47 PM
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Agreed. And where you been man?!
- Original Message -
From: C.W. Badie
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 4:48:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi
OKay...It's obvious that this was written, if nothing else, in the
mentality of some young boy whoes eyes are being influenced by the testosterone
coursing through his veins...BUT...The female marionette is weirding my out in
that respect...
--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Tracey de Morsella
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
Yep I thought so, that might even explain why not only that show was lost but the network too. --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Worf, when STTNG was on, UPN did not exist. UPN was the network the launchedwait for it. Voyager! --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 7:53 PM UPN was the only network that aired STNG when it was on. I think the CW and whatever that other new network is called lack direction and any true programming plans. I remember when they started the network. It was 4 or 5 months before their website was finished. Not well planned. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:05 AM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: CW is the unholy alliance between former netlets UPN (Unfortunate Programming for Negroes)and the WB (the Wayans Brothers Network). ~(no)rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ ... wrote: What is CW? _ From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:41 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Well, DAY-UM... if i don't exist, then I might as well stop paying this $60/month internet bill, save myself the money. To date, there are three channels I've removed from memory on my TV; BET, Golf Channel and CW. 'Nuff said. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Date : Sun, 31 May 2009 12:48:27 - From : ravenadal ravena...@.. . To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com www.chicagotribune. com/features/ arts/chi- 0524-cwmay24, 0,3868838. story chicagotribune. com TELEVISION CW bets on beautiful people By Maria Elena Fernandez Tribune Newspapers May 24, 2009 NEW YORK -- Last season was do-or-die for the CW network -- and it did not die. The two scripted shows the young network needed the most, the freshman 90210 and the sophomore Gossip Girl, succeeded well enough to show that the CW can reach its target audience of 18- to 34-year-old women as well as create a brand. And veteran series One Tree Hill, Supernatural and America's Next Top Model continued to perform well. Next season, the network, which canceled its only comedies, The Game and Everybody Hates Chris, will air only dramas and reality shows starring young, attractive people in alluring settings. The network announced three new dramas for fall and one for midseason, and will order new reality series for midseason, CW President Dawn Ostroff said last week during a press conference after her presentation to advertisers at Madison Square Garden. Honestly, I think we've had a lot of disappointments in comedy, Ostroff said. It's not to say that we couldn't find the right comedy. But we did several shows, like 'Chris' and 'Aliens in America,' which we were really proud of. We thought they were different. They were about something. The writing was wonderful, and we just couldn't make a go of it. So we decided to stick with what's working for us now. Of the new series, the most highly anticipated is the remake of Melrose Place, the Fox hit and spinoff of the original Beverly Hills, 90210. Fans of the Heather Locklear-starring series will be pleased about the return of Laura Leighton, as the resurrected Sydney -- does anyone really die on TV anymore? -- and Thomas Calabro as Michael Mancini. From the clip shown at Madison Square Garden, there is a love triangle of sorts involving Sydney, Michael and his son, and a death in the pool. Melrose Place will air Tuesdays after 90210.
Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white?
Lets not forget Leforge's mother. She was black but then again she was lost. I suppose that was an indication that if she got lost unlike Janeway she could not find her way back. Or was it her ship was destroyed due to the engineer misgivings. --Lavender From: George Arterberry Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? Very good points. The USA is about to enter a stagnant period in space travel with NASa retiring the shuttle,and China along with India with manned missions to the Moon and Mars in near term. My fear is that space may become militarized fairly quickly and economically for now America is focused elsewhere. As for the article I've seen many ST episodes with Blacks as adimirals but little to say after inspecting the Enterpise or something to that affect.Even had a charater who was a sister and the fastest person ever to reach the rank of captain in Starfleet history.No backstory on her in the show.Too bad she was killed off in novel form. --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Liggins Bill bill_ligg...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Liggins Bill bill_ligg...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 7:30 AM What about true life? When was a black astronaut part of the resident crew of the International Space Station? How about never. Black astronauts were among the crews that chauffeured them to the ISS. They stayed a few days then had to leave. But when comes to those resident crews, the ISS is still restricted housing when it comes to blacks. Because of that, black astronauts are not getting the endurance training needed for a mission to Mars. So when it comes time to chose a crew for that Mars mission, black astronauts may be at the bottom of the list. Hopefully this will be reviewed by the new NASA director and changed before NASA loses its leadership in the international space race. Bill Liggins Author of WARNING, a Sci-Fi Novel http://www.authorsd en.com/visit/ author.asp? authorid= 4905 bill_liggins@ yahoo.com --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Curtis, Jr. ccke...@sbcglobal. net wrote: From: Curtis, Jr. ccke...@sbcglobal. net Subject: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Space: If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 11:58 PM Blacks in Space If sci-fi is the future, why is it so white? Danielle C. Belton | May 29, 2009 Star Trek's Lt. Uhura was a science-fiction pioneer in the 1970s -- a black woman answering the phone, I mean computer, in space. Uhura, played by actress Nichelle Nichols, was the communications officer, a role that would go on to be a popular one for futuristic minorities. While she was groundbreaking in that she was a black woman who survived quite well in space, her story lines were few, her adventures were stunted, and her romances were nonexistent. The philandering Capt. Kirk had to be forced to kiss the comely Uhura -- apparently in the future, interracial lip-lock is just as controversial as it was in the 1970s. Nichols paved the way for Kandyse McClure's character Petty Officer Dualla, a black woman who also starts out answering the phone, on the critically acclaimed Battlestar Galactica series remake that wrapped this year. Dualla fares better than Uhura in that she gets her own story line, experiences a real romance, and has some adventures. But she commits suicide in the final season of the series. And these are the two primary options for blacks in space: Either you're marginalized or killed off. (Or, in the worst-case scenario, you're marginalized and still die.) So when word got out that director J.J. Abrams was set to re-envision the original Star Trek, with a big-budget film released last month, I was looking out for Lt. Uhura. And she is certainly there, played by actress Zoë Saldana. She's right where we left her in the 1970s, still answering the phone. Science-fiction story lines might take place in the future, but they are written in the now. They reflect the mind-set of the creators and the times they live in. If most science-fiction films are to be believed, in the future English is the main language. Not only do human beings still exist, they are almost all white and they have mastered quantum physics. I'm sure none of this has anything to do with the genre being dominated by the American film industry and predominantly white, male writers. They've merely looked into their crystal
Re: [scifinoir2] Actor David Carradine found dead
I have to say that I loved him in Kill Bill --Lavender From: Augustus Augustus Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Actor David Carradine found dead never liked him in Kung Fu. always thought that it was Bruce Lee's idea, his story, he should have had the role. i know it wasn't Carradine who would not hire an Asian (just like with the Avatar..my how things have changed huh?) Fate. --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Actor David Carradine found dead To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 2:06 PM That is really sad. I just saw him in Crank 2 playing an old Triad gangster. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: (CNN) -- American actor David Carradine has been found dead in a Bangkok, Thailand, hotel, according to his personal manager, Chuck Binder. David Carradine became famous in the 1970s after starring in the television series Kung Fu. Binder said Thursday that the death is being investigated but could provide no other details. Carradine's death was shocking and sad. He was full of life, always wanting to work ... a great person, Binder said, according to People magazine. Carradine, who became famous in the 1970s when he starred as traveling Shaolin monk Kwai Chang Caine in the television series Kung Fu, was 72. Modern audiences may best know him as Bill in Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill films. He earned a 2005 Golden Globe nomination for his role in the second movie in the two-part saga. iReport: Share memories of David Carradine His career included more than 100 feature films, two dozen television movies and theater work, according to the Internet Movie Database. http://www.cnn. com/2009/ SHOWBIZ/06/ 04/david. carradine. films/index. html Carradine made appearances in television series including Gunsmoke and Alfred Hitchcock Presents. His first starring role in a series was as the title character in Shane in 1966. He worked with such directors as Martin Scorsese in Box Car Bertha in 1972 and Robert Altman in The Long Goodbye in 1973. Carradine was nominated for a Golden Globe for his role as folk music legend Woody Guthrie in the 1976 movie Bound For Glory, according to a biography on his official Web site. His theater career began while he studied drama at San Francisco State College in California. He later landed roles on Broadway in The Deputy and The Royal Hunt of the Sun. Carradine, who was married five times and divorced four, is survived by his widow, Annie Bierman, according to People magazine. Watch Carradine talk about his 'Kung Fu' role » He was the son of actor John Carradine, a character actor who had appeared in hundreds of films, plays and television episodes. David's career as an artist did not begin on the stage, though some of his early career was on and off Broadway. His earliest work was as a sculptor and painter, Carradine's official Web site says. The site also includes an Art Bio in which the actor opens up about his life. I've always had an especially hard time with everything I've tried to do, Carradine wrote. I've made it pretty big as an actor in spite of being terminally shy. ... Invariably, I had huge obstacles to overcome in anything I tried. Had to work against my genes to achieve my dreams. http://www.cnn. com/2009/ SHOWBIZ/06/ 04/obit.david. carradine/ index.html? iref=mpstoryview -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. image001.jpgimage002.gifimage003.gifimage004.gif
Re: [scifinoir2] Actor David Carradine found dead
Heard about this on CNN Larry King. This is something that I don't believe. I suppose and autopsy will be done. Until then I will let that answer my theories. --Lavender From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 9:20 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: cinque3...@verizon.net ; 'Sincere' ; ggs...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Actor David Carradine found dead The update is that he hung himself From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; 'Sincere'; ggs...@yahoo.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Actor David Carradine found dead (CNN) -- American actor David Carradine has been found dead in a Bangkok, Thailand, hotel, according to his personal manager, Chuck Binder. David Carradine became famous in the 1970s after starring in the television series Kung Fu. Binder said Thursday that the death is being investigated but could provide no other details. Carradine's death was shocking and sad. He was full of life, always wanting to work ... a great person, Binder said, according to People magazine. Carradine, who became famous in the 1970s when he starred as traveling Shaolin monk Kwai Chang Caine in the television series Kung Fu, was 72. Modern audiences may best know him as Bill in Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill films. He earned a 2005 Golden Globe nomination for his role in the second movie in the two-part saga. iReport: Share memories of David Carradine His career included more than 100 feature films, two dozen television movies and theater work, according to the Internet Movie Database. http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/06/04/david.carradine.films/index.html Carradine made appearances in television series including Gunsmoke and Alfred Hitchcock Presents. His first starring role in a series was as the title character in Shane in 1966. He worked with such directors as Martin Scorsese in Box Car Bertha in 1972 and Robert Altman in The Long Goodbye in 1973. Carradine was nominated for a Golden Globe for his role as folk music legend Woody Guthrie in the 1976 movie Bound For Glory, according to a biography on his official Web site. His theater career began while he studied drama at San Francisco State College in California. He later landed roles on Broadway in The Deputy and The Royal Hunt of the Sun. Carradine, who was married five times and divorced four, is survived by his widow, Annie Bierman, according to People magazine. Watch Carradine talk about his 'Kung Fu' role » He was the son of actor John Carradine, a character actor who had appeared in hundreds of films, plays and television episodes. David's career as an artist did not begin on the stage, though some of his early career was on and off Broadway. His earliest work was as a sculptor and painter, Carradine's official Web site says. The site also includes an Art Bio in which the actor opens up about his life. I've always had an especially hard time with everything I've tried to do, Carradine wrote. I've made it pretty big as an actor in spite of being terminally shy. ... Invariably, I had huge obstacles to overcome in anything I tried. Had to work against my genes to achieve my dreams. http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/06/04/obit.david.carradine/index.html?iref=mpstoryview People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. image001.jpgimage002.gifimage003.gifimage004.gif
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
Then there was a show back in the day called Video Soul --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People BET had a show, Caribbean Rhythmns, hosted by yet another light-skinned sister (that was almost all they used back then) named Rachel. It was a music video show. I think that was the extent of their Caribbean presence... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:16:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Not if you count places like Jamaica, and the rest of the Caribbean, and Canada. I guess what I am saying is that BET never developed a real niche or direction (or quality control) after being around about the same amount of time as Telemundo. Now Telemundo has 3 or 4 channels where I live. BET was sold, and TVone (completely different company) is barely on the air. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Agreed. I've long lamented the sad fact that the Latin-themed cable channels far exceed the Black ones in terms of drama and variety. Of course, maybe it can be argued that Latinoes in this hemisphere have more collective viewing power than Blacks--if South and Central America are added to the mix--but I wonder... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 12:46:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People I really disliked BET for a long time, because they pretty much wasted the opportunity to create an incredible conduit for all types of black entertainment. (a couple of exceptions but not many) Compare it to Telemundo that has several long running shows and award winning news programming. BET could have gone with a similar business model with their own unique programming but we ended up with mostly fluff and garbage. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: The only thing BET had going for it back in the day were a few talk and news shows. There was the news show BET tonight (with, at various times, Ed Gordon and Tavis Smiley). There was a talk show with the great Bev Smith--who, curiously, was the *only* dark-skinned person hosting a major show in BET for quite a long time. Bev is good, no nonsense, and well informed, and her show reflected her abilities. There was a good show aimed at teens that aired on Saturdays (I think it was called Teen Beat). Before the gangtsa rap thing really hit, it had a feeling that now I guess we'd call innocent, dealing with real issues like divorce, drugs, school quality, along with having guests who'd come in and talk to the kids. There was music, videos, and dancing, but like I said, it didn't have the harder, more carnal edge that even shows aimed at young adults can have nowadays. Finally, there was a good news talk show hosted by Ed Gordon that had a panel including George Curry and Clarence Page. Good, informed discussions. I forget the name of the show. But curiously, BET chose to air both it and Bev Smith's show on Sundays before noon--when most black folk were at church or brunch! There was even an enjoyable entertainment themed show where Tanya Hart interviewed various celebrity guests. Last I saw, I think Ms. Hart does some kind of gossip stuff, as I see her show up on TMZ-like shows dishing on who's sleeping with whom in Hollywood. But yeah, back then BET had enough shows like the above so that I watched it a least a few hours a week. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:41:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Personally, Michelle, I never got deep enough into BET to judge programming or camera angles or any such. Their systematic mistreatment of women was, to me, nauseating. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Date : Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:58:06 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I haven't watched BET except in passing for years. It always seemed to me as if the company that owned BET, Viacom (which also owns MTV) wasn't putting as much effort into the look and quality of BET as they were putting into MTV's programming. In recent years, I've felt as if BET was just airing bad remakes of shows premiered on MTV. For
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People
I stopped watching it when they ruined Charmed. Which they did on their own but CW did not needed to help. --Lavender -- From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:58 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People The CW ain't exactly GM. If it went away tomorrow I wonder f anybody would even notice. I haven't watched the channel in... On May 31, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Well, DAY-UM... if i don't exist, then I might as well stop paying this $60/month internet bill, save myself the money. To date, there are three channels I've removed from memory on my TV; BET, Golf Channel and CW. 'Nuff said. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] The CW: Ain't No Beautiful Black People Date : Sun, 31 May 2009 12:48:27 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com www.chicagotribune.com/features/arts/chi-0524-cwmay24,0,3868838.story chicagotribune.com TELEVISION CW bets on beautiful people By Maria Elena Fernandez Tribune Newspapers May 24, 2009 NEW YORK -- Last season was do-or-die for the CW network -- and it did not die. The two scripted shows the young network needed the most, the freshman 90210 and the sophomore Gossip Girl, succeeded well enough to show that the CW can reach its target audience of 18- to 34-year-old women as well as create a brand. And veteran series One Tree Hill, Supernatural and America's Next Top Model continued to perform well. Next season, the network, which canceled its only comedies, The Game and Everybody Hates Chris, will air only dramas and reality shows starring young, attractive people in alluring settings. The network announced three new dramas for fall and one for midseason, and will order new reality series for midseason, CW President Dawn Ostroff said last week during a press conference after her presentation to advertisers at Madison Square Garden. Honestly, I think we've had a lot of disappointments in comedy, Ostroff said. It's not to say that we couldn't find the right comedy. But we did several shows, like 'Chris' and 'Aliens in America,' which we were really proud of. We thought they were different. They were about something. The writing was wonderful, and we just couldn't make a go of it. So we decided to stick with what's working for us now. Of the new series, the most highly anticipated is the remake of Melrose Place, the Fox hit and spinoff of the original Beverly Hills, 90210. Fans of the Heather Locklear-starring series will be pleased about the return of Laura Leighton, as the resurrected Sydney -- does anyone really die on TV anymore? -- and Thomas Calabro as Michael Mancini. From the clip shown at Madison Square Garden, there is a love triangle of sorts involving Sydney, Michael and his son, and a death in the pool. Melrose Place will air Tuesdays after 90210. Also on the fall roster is The Beautiful Life, set in the high- fashion modeling world and, yes, it's full of beautiful people. The Vampire Diaries is centered on two vampire brothers vying for the same woman. Ostroff also ordered a midseason drama, Parental Discretion Advised, which is set in Portland, Ore., and is the story of a 16- year-old girl who has lived in the foster system her whole life and finds her biological parents, who had her when they were in high school. The CW probably will pick up another midseason drama, but Ostroff said she wanted to wait and see how the season plays out before making a decision. The network developed six drama pilots, including a Gossip Girl spinoff starring Brittany Snow, which aired as part of a Gossip Girl episode earlier this month and was not received very well by fans. That series could make an appearance next year, Ostroff said. Although it's been reported that Smallville, which will air Fridays, will enter its ninth and final season next year, Ostroff said a final decision had not been made, and she hoped the show could continue. Copyright © 2009, Chicago Tribune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Movies set for remake
I may be the only person that feels this way but I would love to see another Ghostbusters movie and would love to see another Robocop. But I am sure it will be darker and lets all hope that time travel is not involved. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Movies set for remake This was taken from one of the classes I'm in. I don't have the source of the article. Movies set for remake Robocop If the Terminator can get tuned up for a revival, why not that other 1980s mechanical hero? After several fits and starts, MGM announced in March that a reboot of “Robocop” would be in theaters in 2010. Darren Aronofsky (“The Wrestler,” “Requiem for a Dream”) is directing the remake of Paul Verhoeven’s bloody movie about a Detroit cop who is gunned down but then put back on patrol as a cyborg with troubled soul The Terminator It’s not a remake, but filmmaker McG’s plan to revive the killer robot franchise with a new sequel next summer starring Christian Bale as John Connor has been circled by fans after a strong showing this past summer at Comic-Con International. “Terminator Salvation” is set in the future and shows the grim war between humans and Skynet with its murderous metallic armies. The plan is for a full trilogy … When Worlds Collide Steven Spielberg is one of the producers and Stephen Sommers (“The Mummy,” “Van Helsing”), infamous for his “give me more” attitude toward CGI effects, is directing. Like the original 1951 film produced by George Pal, this “Worlds,” due in theaters next year, is about the mad scramble to build a spaceship to save humanity before Earth is destroyed by a rogue planet entering its orbit. The problem comes when there aren’t enough seats for everybody on Earth. Gail says: The conflict is, of course, a remake of the old ethical dilemma used in every beginning ethics class since time began: If the lifeboat only has room for 12 people and there are 13 to be saved who gets left behind? Ghostbusters There’s talk of making a third installment in the hugely successful sci-fi comedy franchise and bringing back the original crew -- Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Harold Ramis and Ernie Hudson -- as well as some new-blood, second-generation busters. Lee Eisenberg and Gene Stupnitsky, writers for “The Office,” are at work on the script for Columbia Pictures and Murray, in the past the most reluctant to return to the franchise, has said publicly that he’s open to the idea. There was talk of Seth Rogen being a likely cast addition but don’t bother calling him: “It sounds,” he said in October, “like the worst idea ever. Logan's Run This is a remake that can’t seem to find sanctuary even after a decade of attempts. A few years ago, Bryan Singer (“The X-Men,” “The Usual Suspects”) was all set to re-imagine the 1976 movie about a society where everyone submits to state-ordered execution parlors on their 30th birthday or gets hunted down by agents called Sandmen (the age was 21 in the 1967 novel by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson that served as source material). Singer dropped out to make “Superman Returns,” though, and now producer Joel Silver (“The Matrix” films) appears intent to regenerate with a newcomer as director, namely Joseph Kosinski, who has made his name in television commercials. Flash Gordon After the “Black Lagoon” remake, director Eisner is planning to revive Flash Gordon for Columbia, bringing back the brand that hit the silver screen in 1980 with the campy Dino DeLaurentiis production that so memorably featured the music of Queen, not to mention the unexpectedly galactic pair of Topol and Timothy Dalton. Alex Raymond’s classic space hero, originally created as a comic strip rival to Buck Rogers, celebrates his 75th anniversary in pop culture next month but it's not clear that his retro appeal still holds. Earlier this year, Sci Fi canceled its “Flash Gordon” series, which had ratings that proved that Ming isn’t the one who is merciless. The Creature from the Black Lagoon Breck Eisner, the director of “Sahara” and son of former Disney chief Michael Eisner, is directing while screenwriter Gary Ross is on board to retell the story of an Amazon River expedition that crosses paths with a prehistoric amphibian humanoid. The presence of Ross gives the 2009 release a link to the original 1954 film — that Universal classic was written by his father, Arthur A. Ross. Bill Paxton's name has come up as one of the rumored cast members. Westworld The late Michael Crichton wrote and directed the 1973 sci-fi thriller about a theme park where rich visitors can live out fantasies like engaging in Old West gunfights, thanks to the park’s androids, such as the menacing robot cowboy memorably portrayed by Yul Brynner. Just like in his “Jurassic Park,” though, you know things are going to go badly for the smug and boozy tourists.
Re: [scifinoir2] Intro: Nicole from Hellertown, Pa
Hi Nicole, welcome to the group. Oh how I love this group. I have to agree with you on the fact on what they have done with Rouge. I was highly upset. Hopefully, and I say hopefully they will correct it in the next movie. --Lavender From: Nicole Zoltack Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:40 AM To: SciFiNoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Intro: Nicole from Hellertown, Pa 1. Name: Nicole Zoltack 2. Location: Pa 3. Nickname/ Alias: Nicole is fine 4. To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): I've always loved elves. 5. Favorite SciFi Genres: I love SciFi, especially with romance elements 6. Favorite Scifi Movies: SW 7. Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows ((canceled shows ok) I don't watch much TV 8. Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors Spielberg 9. Favorite SciFi Characters: Han Solo 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: Darth Vader. I used to Love Boba Fett until learning that he was just a clone. He kindly lost his luster then. 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels X-Men (loved the comic and the cartoon series, hate what they did to Rogue's character in the movies.) 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: LotR (not exactly SciFi but I love it) 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: I did enjoy X-Men Origins: Wolverine 14. Favorite SciFi Film movie (s) that flopped: 15. Your SciFi Favorite TVShow (s)that was/were canceled unfairly: 16. Favorite Speculative Fiction Books: Definitely LotR 17. Favorite Speculative Fiction Authors: Tolkien, Brooks 18. List speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: Anything that's too overdone. I like to read fresh twist on old themes, not the same rehashed story. 19. Other topics of importance to you: I love reading and writing just about anything and everything. 20. List your own published works, if any: Woman of Honor (fantasy romance published by Desert Breeze Publishing) and Little Cowgirl (romance short included in One Touch, One Glace: A Sweet Romance Anthology published by Freya's Bower). I have some SciFi story ideas but I haven't written one yet. Have written some YA and horror as well. 21. Your web site: www.NicoleZoltack.com 22. Favorite Scifi Web Sites: Nicole Zoltack Woman of Honor, Desert Breeze Publishing One Touch, One Glance, Freya’s Bower http://www.twitter.com/NicoleZoltack http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicole-Zoltack/52400598 http://www.myspace.com/scarlett9284 People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Buffy Remake Without Joss? Whedonites Will Burn L.A. To The Ground First
Hmm, I don't know. I have to say though when I saw the first movie I did not like it. It was terrible. It seems when people remakes things why do they have to go the darker route? Makes me wonder if they remade Tales from the Darkside would it now become Tales from the Lightside? --Lavender From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Buffy Remake Without Joss? Whedonites Will Burn L.A. To The Ground First Hollywood wants to remake the original Buffy The Vampire Slayer movie - but darker, with all new characters, and (most importantly) without Joss Whedon. Do they know who they're messing with? According to The Hollywood Reporter: Roy Lee and Doug Davison of Vertigo Entertainment are working with original movie director Fran Rubel Kuzui and her husband, Kaz Kuzui, on what is being labeled a remake or relaunch, but not a sequel or prequel. This film would have no ties to the TV series, and characters like Angel, Xander, Willow or Spike would not appear. Rumors are the re-creators are looking for a darker alternate storyline, with a new slayer in today's times. Whedon, the writer of the original Buffy film and eventual producer, writer, director and caretaker of the entire Buffy franchise, hasn't even been approached about the remake. Says THR: The producers do not rule out Whedon's involvement but have not yet reached out to him. Well they'd better get him on board, unless they want to make a movie that will unleash the deepest, most horrible backlash of all time. With all the vampire media hype today, it's no wonder they want to strike while the staking is hot, but to remake Buffy, without Whedon? That just seems wrong, and pretty darn stupid. Granted, Kuzui was the executive producer of the Buffy TV series and Angel spin off, but it was always Whedon's baby. To make it without his involvement seems to be missing the point as to why people loved this franchise. It's all Whedon - his characters, voice, dialogue, story telling, quirks - the list goes on. Back in 1998 Variety reported that Whedon was toying with the idea of a big budget Buffy film, and just this April Whedon was quoted telling the press that a Buffy movie was Not gonna happen, Whedon told reporters in Hollywood on Wednesday. Not gonna happen. Until I gather the press and make a public announcement myself that it's going to happen, never believe anything. Kuzui Enterprises owns the rights to the Buffy, script which she developed and got the funding for, from the then past writer of Roseanne Whedon, so this could all really happen, with or without him. http://io9.com/5269598/buffy-remake-without-joss-whedonites-will-burn-la-to-the-ground-first People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] Whatever Happened to Original Black Power Ranger?
Good question. Do they go to a Power Ranger retirement home? My nephew use to love that show. What version are they on now? Power Rangers: CSI.. I have to admit though--the only shows or episodes I like was the ones that they lost. I loved it!! --Lavender -- From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Whatever Happened to Original Black Power Ranger? The subject line is among the many questions that I have never asked myself. ~rave? http://blackgeekdom.com/blog/page/2/ I'm referring to the actor Walter Emanuel Jones who played the original Black Ranger Zack Jones on the Power Rangers television show. He was written out of the series midway through the second season after appearing in 81 episodes, apparently due to disagreements over wages and fee. Since then he has been doing voice over work , starred in several independent films and made appearances on several television shows like CSI and The Shield. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office
It would appear to me this is the seasons of changing the time lines. I wonder if Q is involved in this or some over jealous film exec when back in time and tried to change things? Anyone notice anything different? --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office I plan on catching it tomorrow, B. I'm still trying to figure out how this is a reboot of the franchise by ignoring the events/existence of T3. Leaving T3 in makes this work fine, IMO. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office Date : Mon, 25 May 2009 18:40:35 - From : B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I enjoyed thye heck out of Terminator: Salvation. It has flaws but I think a lot of grief from fanboys and reviewers alike is that the movie isn't what they thought it would be. I also think people just don't want grim and gritty right now. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Duplicity was so bad I wanted my money back at a press screening. Julia Roberts is DONE. Clive Owen gets a 5 movie pass due to Children Of Men. Terminator:Salvation was a waste of $200 million. If James Cameron doesn't want to direct another Terminator movie, then the story is done. The only way to save Terminator is to give it to Robert Rodriguez. Night Of the Museum could be awful. We'll never know. It's a family movie. And family movie means one car = 2-5 tickets sold. Terminator movie is barely a date movie, so one car = 1 ticket. This is why Star Trek is still doing well. People aren't going alone. So yeah, Terminator was beat by 10 million dollars. What was Warner Brothers thinking? You only go against a family movie if you think the movie has something offensive that will keep a segment out of theaters. It will do sorta well on DVD, but Paramount will probably time the DVD release of Transformers to beat it there, too. On May 25, 2009, at 10:11 AM, ravenadal wrote: I went to the Budget Theater Sunday and plunked down my two bucks to see Duplicity starring Julia Roberts and Clive Owen. Roberts and Owen are great on-screen together but it was easy to see why this movie just sort of laid there at the box office. It COULD have been a contenda but the ending twist, which should have popped like champagne, is flat like reopened soda where someone forgot to properly fasten the cap. On the plus side, the theater, the purveyor of the best popcorn in Milwaukee - REAL butter! - has introduced an EXTRA-LARGE bucket to go with their regular small, medium and large bag offerings. It's all good. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: I'm not. People just want to see stuff in the summer. I lament the ascent of the term summer movie, and how people put their brains on hold for explosions and CGI during the warmer months. But what's really doing well still is Star Trek. My wife wanted to see it again (her second time) Saturday night at the five dollar theatre near us. We jetted over for the 7 pm show, and it was sold out thirty minutes before showtime. We caught the 3 pm show Sunday, and it sold out too. It's a cut above a summer movie--several cuts, in fact, but it too has its share of brain-on-hold action, laughs, and FX. - Original Message - From: ravenadal To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:11:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office I am surprised by the performance of the 4th Terminator movie. Guess it just goes to show in this economy people just wanna see stuff blow up good. ~rave! http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/quotmuseumquot- comedy-beats-quotterminatorquot-box-office-reuters Museum comedy beats Terminator at box office (Reuters) May 24, 2009, 12:57 pm EDT Buzz up! Night at the Museum: Teaser
Re: [scifinoir2] A naysayer's guide to the new 'Star Trek' -For Martin
I think this means that he likes it? --Lavender From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:56 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; ggs...@yahoo.com ; cinque3...@verizon.net Subject: [scifinoir2] A naysayer's guide to the new 'Star Trek' -For Martin Dangerous Days: Trek Gets All Michael Bay'd Out A naysayer's guide to the new 'Star Trek' By CHRISTOPHER OLDAKER May-19-2009 Source: Airlock Alpha http://www.airlockalpha.com/news426367pall.html Some people might call me a Trekkie, but I'm far from being a purist or some kind of psycho who can't stand to see my beloved franchise tainted. I loved Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine most of all and (feel free to call me a pansy, but) I've always been more of a Picard guy than a Kirk guy. There have been episodes I've loved and episodes I've hated, spinoffs that have worked and spinoffs that have embarrassed the hell out of me. Same goes for the movies. And while the latest attempt at a reboot of the franchise certainly has it's moments, all-in-all, it offers very little other than pretty CGI to the versed Trek fan. First thing's first, despite all the bells and whistles, the swirling camera shots, the lens flares and the Hollywood heartthrobs, this movie is basically Star Trek: Nemesis with a few roles reversed. Swap Spock for Picard and Nero for Shinzon and you have basically the same general premise -- a maniacal villain that's been wronged by the vast workings of the universe, but focuses his malice mainly on a Starfleet captain and wants to force said captain to watch as he destroys his home to avenge the wrongs inflicted upon his peoples, or something like that. Even Nero's costume was pretty much exactly what Shinzon was rocking in Nemesis, with a little less goth-fetish and a little more of an old-timey chimney sweep look going on. But aside from some plot similarities and the carrying over of characters from the original series, this reboot of the franchise is not really Star Trek. I'm not saying that simply because it sucked, but because the fundamental elements that make something Star Trek were absent. To me, Star Trek was never about Capt. Kirk or Spock. It was never about Picard or Worf or Data or Janeway. Star Trek is about a universe in which humanity has gone through their absolute lowest point, when all seemed hopeless, and yet they powered through, overcame their petty differences and strove to create not only a world where people could live in peace and prosperity, but a unified universe free of money, greed and the corruption and exploitation that they spawn. In the Trek universe, nobody gets paid for what they do, they work together for the betterment of society and all their needs are satisfied by technology. There are, of course, varying view points on what constitutes the betterment of society and thus there are conflicts between planets and species. But the Federation is supposed to represent something like the United Nations, where all are welcome and all are equal under the law. In this new vision of Trek, however, that is not the case. If you're human, then you're kosher -- no worries there -- but if you happen to have large eyes that are slightly skewed on your face or if you have a weird buggy look about you, then you can expect a life of second-class citizenship aboard the Enterprise or any other Federation vessel. Verbal abuse, constant belittlement, racial slurs and even physical violence are just some of the friendly obstacles you'll come up against as a non-human alien in JJ Abrams' Trek. Ethnically diverse background characters don't have it much better unless, of course, they have some stereotypical cultural trait that can be exploited for gags, such as a funny accent or a background in martial arts. If you think that Star Trek is about Capt. Kirk being a cocky womanizer or Spock being an angsty emo, then you've completely missed the point. Trek is about the universe itself, not just the characters that populate it. The problem I have with this movie is that J.J. Abrams admittedly has tried to turn Star Trek into Star Wars, and they are just two completely different things. I'm not saying that you can't bring Trek into the modern age or make it more action packed and accessible, but if you're doing it at the expense of the true core of the franchise, then you're better off just naming it something else and starting fresh. When Ronald D Moore rebooted Battlestar Galactica, he completely changed the tone of the original, but at it's essence they were the exact same concepts, just treated with a little more seriousness and realism. There was a real reason to approach that material again and give it the respect it deserved, and it resulted in some incredibly groundbreaking writing and filmmaking. I would have been very happy to have the same thing done for Star Trek, but in this case it wasn't necessarily the material
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS
You know I thought the same thing. Any ideas how it would go. Heck what am I talking about, I never seen Medium. Please don't shoot me out the airlock just yet. I can be reformed if any fans are out there!! --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:49 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Betting pool's now open. How long before there's aMedium/Ghost Whisperer crossover? I've got six eps. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 00:17:39 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the top four broadcasters to reveal its fall schedule to advertisers this week, said it was canceling Without a Trace, The Unit and Eleventh Hour. New series with Jenna Elfman and Julianna Margulies are moving in. The nation's most popular network is a model of stability in a roiled broadcast industry. It's the only network with more viewers this season than last, yet had less advertising revenue than its previous year because of a depressed market. Sensitive about a stodgy image, CBS Corp. chief executive Leslie Moonves cited in a presentation to advertisers on Wednesday a newspaper article that talked about the network's ratings successes despite not being sexy. When you come right down to it, winning really is the only sexy thing out there, Moonves said. CBS moved quickly to grab Medium. As an aging show, production costs were going up. But since it is made by a production company owned by CBS Corp., the costs were more easily absorbed by CBS. It lands on CBS' Friday schedule at 9 p.m., between Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs. Simon Baker's The Mentalist was broadcast TV's only real new hit this season, and CBS decided to move it from Tuesday nights to Thursday at 10 p.m. Thursdays are important for networks as they seek income from advertisers like film studios looking ahead to the weekend. CBS also said it sees the chance to gain a competitive edge at 10 p.m. with NBC's decision to air Jay Leno's new comedy show at that hour each weeknight Your request is being processed... CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' .html digg /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s% 20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 Share this on Facebook .html Huffpost - CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' stumble 9/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC %27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 reddit icks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20Cancel ed%20%27Medium%27 del.ico.us om/2009/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up %20NBC%27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 ShareThis RSS DAVID .html BAUDER | May 20, 2009 07:26 PM EST | AP Compare other versions .html Compare and versions I Like It .html I Don .html 't Like It Read More: Cbs , Medium , Nbc , Patricia Arquette , Television , Entertainment News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/bookmarking/digg-submit.pngBe the First to Submit /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 This Story to Digg ww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2F05%2F20%2Fcbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751. html Buzz up! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090520/us-tv-cbs-new-season/image s/b369da4e-7b30-4fb4-979e-769eed9eea53.jpg FILE - In this May 14, 2008 file photo, actor Simon Baker from The Mentalist, attends the CBS Upfront at Carnegie Hall in New York. (AP Photo/Peter Kramer, File) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/email.gif Get Breaking News Alerts never spam * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/share.gif Share * .html?view=print http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/print.gif
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS
I think for me that was a part that I had to get use to as well. I am use to one head slap, or a watchful eye. Hopefully they will deal more with the characters as the show progress. Did anyone notice two people from other things. One from a toothpaste commercial and one from CSI? --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:53 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS As for the NCIS spinoff, I tasted that one four minutes into the two-parter that introduced the new team. IMDB didn't even bother to hide it, clearly placing a spin-off' tag in with the rollover keywords. Might work. I'm a big NCIS fan, and I wasn't too keen on the lack of team interplay within that NCIS has always had. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 00:17:39 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the top four broadcasters to reveal its fall schedule to advertisers this week, said it was canceling Without a Trace, The Unit and Eleventh Hour. New series with Jenna Elfman and Julianna Margulies are moving in. The nation's most popular network is a model of stability in a roiled broadcast industry. It's the only network with more viewers this season than last, yet had less advertising revenue than its previous year because of a depressed market. Sensitive about a stodgy image, CBS Corp. chief executive Leslie Moonves cited in a presentation to advertisers on Wednesday a newspaper article that talked about the network's ratings successes despite not being sexy. When you come right down to it, winning really is the only sexy thing out there, Moonves said. CBS moved quickly to grab Medium. As an aging show, production costs were going up. But since it is made by a production company owned by CBS Corp., the costs were more easily absorbed by CBS. It lands on CBS' Friday schedule at 9 p.m., between Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs. Simon Baker's The Mentalist was broadcast TV's only real new hit this season, and CBS decided to move it from Tuesday nights to Thursday at 10 p.m. Thursdays are important for networks as they seek income from advertisers like film studios looking ahead to the weekend. CBS also said it sees the chance to gain a competitive edge at 10 p.m. with NBC's decision to air Jay Leno's new comedy show at that hour each weeknight Your request is being processed... CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' .html digg /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s% 20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 Share this on Facebook .html Huffpost - CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' stumble 9/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC %27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 reddit icks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20Cancel ed%20%27Medium%27 del.ico.us om/2009/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up %20NBC%27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 ShareThis RSS DAVID .html BAUDER | May 20, 2009 07:26 PM EST | AP Compare other versions .html Compare and versions I Like It .html I Don .html 't Like It Read More: Cbs , Medium , Nbc , Patricia Arquette , Television , Entertainment News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/bookmarking/digg-submit.pngBe the First to Submit /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 This Story to Digg ww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2F05%2F20%2Fcbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751. html Buzz up! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090520/us-tv-cbs-new-season/image s/b369da4e-7b30-4fb4-979e-769eed9eea53.jpg FILE - In this May 14, 2008 file photo, actor Simon Baker from The Mentalist, attends the CBS Upfront at Carnegie Hall in New York. (AP Photo/Peter Kramer, File)
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS
I think it would work great with Grissom. Also would be great to have Lady Heather to help Grissom to believe. I would love the fact if they would have to have her to be there but then have Warrick ghost still earth bound trying to solve a case. --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:54 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS I say 4. :) Even better a CSI / Ghostwhisper crossover! :) On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Betting pool's now open. How long before there's aMedium/Ghost Whisperer crossover? I've got six eps. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 00:17:39 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the top four broadcasters to reveal its fall schedule to advertisers this week, said it was canceling Without a Trace, The Unit and Eleventh Hour. New series with Jenna Elfman and Julianna Margulies are moving in. The nation's most popular network is a model of stability in a roiled broadcast industry. It's the only network with more viewers this season than last, yet had less advertising revenue than its previous year because of a depressed market. Sensitive about a stodgy image, CBS Corp. chief executive Leslie Moonves cited in a presentation to advertisers on Wednesday a newspaper article that talked about the network's ratings successes despite not being sexy. When you come right down to it, winning really is the only sexy thing out there, Moonves said. CBS moved quickly to grab Medium. As an aging show, production costs were going up. But since it is made by a production company owned by CBS Corp., the costs were more easily absorbed by CBS. It lands on CBS' Friday schedule at 9 p.m., between Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs. Simon Baker's The Mentalist was broadcast TV's only real new hit this season, and CBS decided to move it from Tuesday nights to Thursday at 10 p.m. Thursdays are important for networks as they seek income from advertisers like film studios looking ahead to the weekend. CBS also said it sees the chance to gain a competitive edge at 10 p.m. with NBC's decision to air Jay Leno's new comedy show at that hour each weeknight Your request is being processed... CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' .html digg /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s% 20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 Share this on Facebook .html Huffpost - CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' stumble 9/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC %27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 reddit icks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20Cancel ed%20%27Medium%27 del.ico.us om/2009/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up %20NBC%27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 ShareThis RSS DAVID .html BAUDER | May 20, 2009 07:26 PM EST | AP Compare other versions .html Compare and versions I Like It .html I Don .html 't Like It Read More: Cbs , Medium , Nbc , Patricia Arquette , Television , Entertainment News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/bookmarking/digg-submit.pngBe the First to Submit /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmlamp;title=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 This Story to Digg ww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2F05%2F20%2Fcbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751. html Buzz up! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090520/us-tv-cbs-new-season/image s/b369da4e-7b30-4fb4-979e-769eed9eea53.jpg FILE - In this May 14, 2008 file photo, actor Simon Baker from The Mentalist, attends the CBS Upfront at Carnegie Hall in New York. (AP Photo/Peter Kramer, File) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/email.gif Get Breaking News Alerts never spam * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/share.gif Share * .html?view=print http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/print.gif .html?view=print Print * .html#comments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/images/sidebar/comments.gif .html#comments Comments NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the top four
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS
One person is named Louise Lomnbard. She was on CSI as a detective and once moved to a CSI. Then the guy with the glasses on stared in a Reach tooth brush commercial. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3BkCcb73Bs trust me it works for me...lol and I am not talking about the link. --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:08 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Not offhand, Lavendar, but I was zonked while viewing. Any and all prompting gratefully accepted. ;-) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 19:00:20 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I think for me that was a part that I had to get use to as well. I am use to one head slap, or a watchful eye. Hopefully they will deal more with the characters as the show progress. Did anyone notice two people from other things. One from a toothpaste commercial and one from CSI? --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:53 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS As for the NCIS spinoff, I tasted that one four minutes into the two-parter that introduced the new team. IMDB didn't even bother to hide it, clearly placing a spin-off' tag in with the rollover keywords. Might work. I'm a big NCIS fan, and I wasn't too keen on the lack of team interplay within that NCIS has always had. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' LL Cool J Gets NCIS Date : Fri, 22 May 2009 00:17:39 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : NEW YORK - A couple of television crime-fighters are on the move: Patricia Arquette and Medium from NBC to CBS, and Simon Baker's .html The Mentalist to CBS' Thursday-night lineup. CBS, the last of the top four broadcasters to reveal its fall schedule to advertisers this week, said it was canceling Without a Trace, The Unit and Eleventh Hour. New series with Jenna Elfman and Julianna Margulies are moving in. The nation's most popular network is a model of stability in a roiled broadcast industry. It's the only network with more viewers this season than last, yet had less advertising revenue than its previous year because of a depressed market. Sensitive about a stodgy image, CBS Corp. chief executive Leslie Moonves cited in a presentation to advertisers on Wednesday a newspaper article that talked about the network's ratings successes despite not being sexy. When you come right down to it, winning really is the only sexy thing out there, Moonves said. CBS moved quickly to grab Medium. As an aging show, production costs were going up. But since it is made by a production company owned by CBS Corp., the costs were more easily absorbed by CBS. It lands on CBS' Friday schedule at 9 p.m., between Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs. Simon Baker's The Mentalist was broadcast TV's only real new hit this season, and CBS decided to move it from Tuesday nights to Thursday at 10 p.m. Thursdays are important for networks as they seek income from advertisers like film studios looking ahead to the weekend. CBS also said it sees the chance to gain a competitive edge at 10 p.m. with NBC's decision to air Jay Leno's new comedy show at that hour each weeknight Your request is being processed... CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' .html digg /cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20 Canceled%20%27Medium%27 20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s% 20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 Share this on Facebook .html Huffpost - CBS Picks Up NBC's Canceled 'Medium' stumble 9/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC %27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 reddit icks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up%20NBC%27s%20Cancel ed%20%27Medium%27 del.ico.us om/2009/05/20/cbs-picks-up-nbcs-cancele_n_205751.htmltitle=CBS%20Picks%20Up %20NBC%27s%20Canceled%20%27Medium%27 ShareThis RSS DAVID .html BAUDER | May 20, 2009 07:26 PM EST | AP Compare other versions .html Compare and versions I Like It .html I Don
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan
I agree with you, I think he did what he thought was best for the series to bring more people to view it. I am sure all the other movies needed was good writers that could have saved it. Now on the flip side of all of this--if a new show was to spun from the movie or future movies perhaps it will not go on UPN, which proved the death of Voyager and Enterprise. Which based on some, was already dying just had Scotty to squeeze a little more time out of it. Perhaps Sci-fi channel will adapt it. --Lavender -- From: tdemorsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Well put Bosco. I could not have said it better. There were choices that were made that I did not agree with, but that did not take away from the story. These were his choices to make and his story to tell. He told HIS story well. I remember being in this place with Battlestar and their decision to make Starbuck a woman and Tigh White. While I still think that moore has some issues with Blacks and screwed up the finale, he told his story well and the casting decisions proved to good ones. I think Abrams bristles at some of the hardcore trekkers/trekkies reactions and sometimes goes out of his way to alienate them in his interviews and some of the marketing. I also think that some of that dynamic in going on with his bizarro relationship with Shatner. I like Shatner, but he sometimes does appear to have some type of Star Trek god complex going on. If Abrams is the type of person who does not brush off his shoulders when outsiders tell him they think he is wrong, then that might explain some of his actions. I think Shatner going public with his crusade to be on the show, guaranteed his fate. It was tacky and idiotic to take the casting issue to the public. I too found that a tremendous amount of work and care went into breathing life into a dying franchise, by evolving it into something new, a wonderful hybrid of new and old,while staying true to some many of the aspects that are important to trekkies. I was home again. I saw flaws, but overall after years of missteps with Trek films over the last decade or so, (First Contact being the exception) Abrams delivered the goods. I also saw improvements. In my mind, I hated that Uhuru, Sulu, Scotty and Chekov were glorified extras. I see potential for more character development with their characters. In a way, there was more character development for them in two hours than in the entire three years the series was on. Showing more of the internal batter with being both human and vulcan was also an interesting move in my opinion. Just remember, two years ago, we did not know if or when there would be a new trek film or show. Now, thanks to Abrams, we have Trekkers 2.0 with new fans that are hooked on the Trek mythology. We are likely to have guaranteed at least a decade of trek films and there is a Trek series in the works with a really good producer with great scifi production credentials. we also will likely see even more scifi movie productions. With all the money that will be made, if there are ways to keep production casts down, networks will open up again to more scifi series. The man gave us a gift. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Keith One of the things I love about this list are your posts. I'm saying that up front because I am gonna respectfully disagree with you.I LOVE the new Trek Film. I will say without question it's the best Trek Film EVER. It's not lazy. That's partly because it's Trek and partly because it's not. It's not lazy. It's just not what you want. It's clear that a tremendous amount of research, thought and work went into this film. Because Abrams made choices you would not have does not make him a lazy story teller. I have always loved science fiction because it creates other possibilities and amazing worlds of what if. The constraints of reality have always been cast away for better story telling. That's exactly what the new Trek film DOES WELL!!! I've also made no secret of late that one of the things I love about the new Trek Film is the way it INFURIATES the Trek nerds. It's freakin awesome that it has been so successful, so good and produced a reaction so strong. Indicative, I think, that Abrams got it EXACTLY right in order to breathe life into the franchise. Let's face it, it WAS DEAD, Jim. The fact that some of the older generation of Trek fans can't let go of the bloated corpse of what was, simply makes me giggle. I'm sorry for your loss but unless some Trekditionalists get a bunch of funds together to make another in long line of generally subpar science fiction films, it's Abrams world now
Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan
Listening to your comments so far Mr. Johnson--I have to agree with you. If we had to based the trek lore on just the movies then I am sure it would not have the fan following. Lets be honest and think about this for a moment. Way back in the day for most people who saw the Wrath of Khan for none followers they would say ahh it is the guy from Fantasy Island. He seems as a Bad ass. But then for those who follows the series we say ahh he is back. Yes we remember how this plays into this and that. Star Trek has or never will be a show about shoot em ups. It a show--if done right about the human nature of all of us. The good and bad. The movies can or is a extension of just that fact. First Contact proved that point with the Borg, Khan did with the Wrath of Khan. I think to me the last generation film would have been even better if Crusher was to finally tell Picard how she really felt. Instead of just being about Troi and Riker. Now for those who don't watch the series would say why does that matter. But for those who watch the series would say ahh I agree (play along with me even if you don't) see the point because every time she had the chance or he would or they would interrupted before she could finish the line. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:08 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan That's my point. Abrams and all the non-Trek fans and box-office-stars-in-their-eyes Trek fans seem to think that there were no stories left to tell. DS9-with its brilliant creation of the Dominion, and its fleshing out of both the Bajorans and the Cardassians--showed that's just not true. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:44:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I just wanted to chime in on the comment on TNG and where would they go after the Borg. Well to be honest they could have done a stories with the Founders. I mean if they did not want to pull the cast of DS9 over they could have used Odo. I mean it would not have been the first cross over we have seen in the Star Trek universe. We never knew anything about what the Enterprise crew was doing during this war that seem to have DS9 at the fore front. --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I don't think I need to remind anyone that I love Star Trek. But the old continuity WAS restrictive. That's why the TNG movies fell off after First Contact, they had to make up species because -- where do you go after The Borg? (Well, you go to DS9, but that's another discussion) The reason everybody loves Wrath of Khan is because it stepped outside of continuity. After all, how COULD Chekov have known Khan? And how could a whole planet explode and people survive in a shell of a ship on the next world? If Mars BLEW UP one day, we wouldn't exactly all be here to talk about it years later. But that didn't stop the movie from being the best! Had the movie series gone on the way the first movie dictated, it would have died after 3. That being said, this is JJ Abrams we're talking about, so I think there is ONE direction to go in that would make things right with everyone. Ready? Make nice with Harlan and do City On the Edge Of Forever the way he'd originally written it. For $100M you can tell the whole story, update a few things, and end one of the darkest chapters in this franchise's history, by paying Harlan Ellison. You do a 2 hour City On the Edge Of Forever, with the right Edith Keeler, and I dare say that it could be the first science fiction film to be nominated for an Oscar. Think of it. Romance. Mystery. SCIENCE. I don't think Paramount can go wrong with this. On May 16, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: I'm sorry, but every time I listen to Abrams make statements like The old continuity was restrictive, it angers me. That's just lazy film making. The Trek universe spans five series, ten movies, and --including enterprise--about two centuries. You're telling me he couldn't find something in *all that* to fuel new, action-driven stories? He couldn't have brought together this crew in the movie in any way other than to reset the timeline? Why not just have told the previously untold story of how Kirk assembled his crew in the original continuity in this movie? It's not exactly as if anyone's ever said there was only one way that could have been done. My point is there is no reason to change history just to use young cast members. Kirk in the movie is about 2 -3 years younger than Kirk was in the original timeline when he became captain,
Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan
DS9 also dealt with the fact of a world or a future where technology does not save the day --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:05 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan DS9's my favorite, but let's remember...DS9 was a reaction to the times. It's not like Gene had this vision of DS9 al those years. the world was getting cynical and there was an undercurrent of mistrust for authority in teh early 90s. DS9 appealed to people who liked Star Trek but were having trouble relating. On May 16, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: That's my point. Abrams and all the non-Trek fans and box-office-stars-in-their-eyes Trek fans seem to think that there were no stories left to tell. DS9-with its brilliant creation of the Dominion, and its fleshing out of both the Bajorans and the Cardassians--showed that's just not true. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:44:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I just wanted to chime in on the comment on TNG and where would they go after the Borg. Well to be honest they could have done a stories with the Founders. I mean if they did not want to pull the cast of DS9 over they could have used Odo. I mean it would not have been the first cross over we have seen in the Star Trek universe. We never knew anything about what the Enterprise crew was doing during this war that seem to have DS9 at the fore front. --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I don't think I need to remind anyone that I love Star Trek. But the old continuity WAS restrictive. That's why the TNG movies fell off after First Contact, they had to make up species because -- where do you go after The Borg? (Well, you go to DS9, but that's another discussion) The reason everybody loves Wrath of Khan is because it stepped outside of continuity. After all, how COULD Chekov have known Khan? And how could a whole planet explode and people survive in a shell of a ship on the next world? If Mars BLEW UP one day, we wouldn't exactly all be here to talk about it years later. But that didn't stop the movie from being the best! Had the movie series gone on the way the first movie dictated, it would have died after 3. That being said, this is JJ Abrams we're talking about, so I think there is ONE direction to go in that would make things right with everyone. Ready? Make nice with Harlan and do City On the Edge Of Forever the way he'd originally written it. For $100M you can tell the whole story, update a few things, and end one of the darkest chapters in this franchise's history, by paying Harlan Ellison. You do a 2 hour City On the Edge Of Forever, with the right Edith Keeler, and I dare say that it could be the first science fiction film to be nominated for an Oscar. Think of it. Romance. Mystery. SCIENCE. I don't think Paramount can go wrong with this. On May 16, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: I'm sorry, but every time I listen to Abrams make statements like The old continuity was restrictive, it angers me. That's just lazy film making. The Trek universe spans five series, ten movies, and --including enterprise--about two centuries. You're telling me he couldn't find something in *all that* to fuel new, action-driven stories? He couldn't have brought together this crew in the movie in any way other than to reset the timeline? Why not just have told the previously untold story of how Kirk assembled his crew in the original continuity in this movie? It's not exactly as if anyone's ever said there was only one way that could have been done. My point is there is no reason to change history just to use young cast members. Kirk in the movie is about 2 -3 years younger than Kirk was in the original timeline when he became captain, but you can work around that. We don't know the backstories of how Bones, Uhura, and Scotty were brought to the Enterprise, so you can write that story. Just because Chekhov never showed up in season one of the OS doesn't mean you can't finesse things a bit and bring him in for the movie. Only three of the original five years of Kirk's original mission were shown on TV. Nothing there to mine? Like them or not, Brannon and Braga jiggered Trek continuity a bit for Enterprise: the Xindi attack on Earth...the Borg sphere found on Earth (something blamed on First Contact) And while some of that made some of us howl, as the series got better toward its end, we saw it was okay. Indeed, we liked it precisely
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You got to be kidding. Let me guess a reality show on Scooby Doo? --Lavender From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:08 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Even the cartoon network is doing multiple reality shows starting in June. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Naught but truth in that, Mr. Worf. Reality TV costs less and makes money. :-( -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 05:58:35 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com They also don't like to spend money on them. Look at how many scifi shows that were started and canceled mid-season or after only one season in the last 4 or 5 years. Some had really good ratings. Out of all of them, Lost and Heroes, and are the only survivors. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Keith, I really don't think that a series spun off from this movie would succeed. (Not me being negative again, folks.) H'Wood has a track record of not following through on series. We can sit here for weeks, rattling off the names of great series that died too soon because the networks that carried them didn't market or back them properly. This Trek is a flash in the pan. A series coming out of it will be the flavor of the week, then become an afterthought. And that HURTS the Trek franchise. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 02:55:53 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The other thing I keep noticing is that people keep talking about the best Trek movie either. Would this take, however, generate a longrunning series? The magic of Trek has never been the movies. They've always been just fun things to make money at the box office. It was the accumulated magic and intelligence of the series that made Trek. So in a way this isn't the right argument. I'm sure the movies will be successful, and I will be there for all of them. I liked this film. A lot. But do we think that in a few years there'll be anew Trek series on TV, that it will do really well, that it'll last for years and that it will spawn future generations of fans the way the other series did? That's the question, and I'm not seeig anything here to answer that in the affirmative. - Original Message - From: Bosco Bosco To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:33:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Keith One of the things I love about this list are your posts. I'm saying that up front because I am gonna respectfully disagree with you.I LOVE the new Trek Film. I will say without question it's the best Trek Film EVER. It's not lazy. That's partly because it's Trek and partly because it's not. It's not lazy. It's just not what you want. It's clear that a tremendous amount of research, thought and work went into this film. Because Abrams made choices you would not have does not make him a lazy story teller. I have always loved science fiction because it creates other possibilities and amazing worlds of what if. The constraints of reality have always been cast away for better story telling. That's exactly what the new Trek film DOES WELL!!! I've also made no secret of late that one of the things I love about the new Trek Film is the way it INFURIATES the Trek nerds. It's freakin awesome that it has been so successful, so good and produced a reaction so strong. Indicative, I think, that Abrams got it EXACTLY right in order to breathe life into the franchise. Let's face it, it WAS DEAD, Jim. The fact that some of the older generation of Trek fans can't let go of the bloated corpse of what was, simply makes me giggle. I'm sorry for your loss but unless some Trekditionalists get a bunch of funds together to make another in long line of generally subpar science fiction films, it's Abrams world now and we're just visiting. Time to find a way to move on. Bosco --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: ggs...@yahoo.com, cinque3...@verizon.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:52 AM I'm sorry, but every time I listen to Abrams make statements like The old continuity was
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Actually it was species 8472. --Lavender From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I think one of the most underdeveloped species was Species 257. I really liked the little of the mythology of the species that they gave us From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:37 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan There was talk about time wars in the last series (Enterprise). I haven't seen the new movie yet, but they could mine that for material.They could also make up new characters as well. I would love to see the origins of the Borg. Or the species 257 from the Voyager show. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 02:05:40 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com DS9's my favorite, but let's remember...DS9 was a reaction to the times. It's not like Gene had this vision of DS9 al those years. the world was getting cynical and there was an undercurrent of mistrust for authority in teh early 90s. DS9 appealed to people who liked Star Trek but were having trouble relating. On May 16, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: That's my point. Abrams and all the non-Trek fans and box-office- stars-in-their-eyes Trek fans seem to think that there were no stories left to tell. DS9-with its brilliant creation of the Dominion, and its fleshing out of both the Bajorans and the Cardassians--showed that's just not true. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:44:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I just wanted to chime in on the comment on TNG and where would they go after the Borg. Well to be honest they could have done a stories with the Founders. I mean if they did not want to pull the cast of DS9 over they could have used Odo. I mean it would not have been the first cross over we have seen in the Star Trek universe. We never knew anything about what the Enterprise crew was doing during this war that seem to have DS9 at the fore front. --Lavender From: Daryle Lockhart Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan I don't think I need to remind anyone that I love Star Trek. But the old continuity WAS restrictive. That's why the TNG movies fell off after First Contact, they had to make up species because -- where do you go after The Borg? (Well, you go to DS9, but that's another discussion) The reason everybody loves Wrath of Khan is because it stepped outside of continuity. After all, how COULD Chekov have known Khan? And how could a whole planet explode and people survive in a shell of a ship on the next world? If Mars BLEW UP one day, we wouldn't exactly all be here to talk about it years later. But that didn't stop the movie from being the best! Had the movie series gone on the way the first movie dictated, it would have died after 3. That being said, this is JJ Abrams we're talking about, so I think there is ONE direction to go in that would make things right with everyone. Ready? Make nice with Harlan and do City On the Edge Of Forever the way he'd originally written it. For $100M you can tell the whole story, update a few things, and end one of the darkest chapters in this franchise's history, by paying Harlan Ellison. You do a 2 hour City On the Edge Of Forever, with the right Edith Keeler, and I dare say that it could be the first science fiction film to be nominated for an Oscar. Think of it. Romance. Mystery. SCIENCE. I don't think Paramount can go wrong with this. On May 16, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: I'm sorry, but every time I listen to Abrams make statements like The old continuity was restrictive, it angers me. That's just lazy film making. The Trek universe spans five series, ten movies, and --including enterprise--about two centuries. You're telling me he couldn't find something in *all that* to fuel new, action- driven stories? He couldn't have brought together this crew in the movie in any way other than to reset the timeline? Why not just have told the previously untold story of how Kirk assembled his crew in the original continuity in this movie? It's not
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Yea I was watching Amazing Race and yelling at the screen, as if she could hear me, that she should just pee at the matt. But just think she could not tell anyone until the show aired. Imagine sitting in the room and having the crowd or family asking or saying what in the heck were you saying. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:20 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan The only reality show that's consistently given rave reviews by critics and fans is The Amazing Race. I've watched very little of it, but it's more fun, more intelligent, and more real seeming by far, due to its treasure hunter nature. And something I find very intriguing about The Amazing Race: I believe that two of its million-dollar winners have been teams of black people. That is something rarely seen in reality TV, and I've been puzzling what that means. It's got a more open structure, one less based on silly cabals and backstabbing like Survivor, and not on dumb projects and godlike judgements a la The Apprenctice. Yeah it's got its eat the frog's testicles and bull's brains foolishness. But it's also won by people who can hustle, decipher clues, adapt quickly to new environments, and really work well with a partner. In that way it reminds me of rally racing. And I understand this last contest possibly could have been won by two Sisters, but one of them had to take a bathroom break--just as her team was entering a stadium where a few hundred yard run could have given them the prize! It was the butt of jokes recently: how a lady's small bladder cost her team a million bucks! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:11:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Argh!! I HATE REALITY TV! From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:23 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan (sighing sadly...) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 06:08:40 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Even the cartoon network is doing multiple reality shows starting in June. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Naught but truth in that, Mr. Worf. Reality TV costs less and makes money. :-( -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 05:58:35 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com They also don't like to spend money on them. Look at how many scifi shows that were started and canceled mid-season or after only one season in the last 4 or 5 years. Some had really good ratings. Out of all of them, Lost and Heroes, and are the only survivors. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Keith, I really don't think that a series spun off from this movie would succeed. (Not me being negative again, folks.) H'Wood has a track record of not following through on series. We can sit here for weeks, rattling off the names of great series that died too soon because the networks that carried them didn't market or back them properly. This Trek is a flash in the pan. A series coming out of it will be the flavor of the week, then become an afterthought. And that HURTS the Trek franchise. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 02:55:53 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The other thing I keep noticing is that people keep talking about the best Trek movie either. Would this take, however, generate a longrunning series? The magic of Trek has never been the movies. They've always been just fun things to make money at the box office. It was the accumulated magic and intelligence of the series that made Trek. So in a way this
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When I first heard of the sci fi network way back when I thought it was going to be about or show those old movies that you see in movies where people are watching in black and white. Perhaps Star Trek and Wars. Which Star Wars was the first thing that they showed. I think who ever took over the network just screwed it over with not keeping it to it's true nature. --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Amazing! i don't even think they deserve the name SyFy. Why didn't they just go with something generic like Beyond, which was an early contender? At least then we wouldn't have to deal with the laughable incongruity of wrestling, Punked-type shows, and reality crap on a station whose name evokes scifi. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:32:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan They are doing a ghost hunting show, and something similar to survivor. I think that there is one more as well. It may be to get kids interested in things outside of the house though. I just don't want to see them turn into mtv. :( On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Say what?? Please elucidate! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:08:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Even the cartoon network is doing multiple reality shows starting in June. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Naught but truth in that, Mr. Worf. Reality TV costs less and makes money. :-( -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 05:58:35 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com They also don't like to spend money on them. Look at how many scifi shows that were started and canceled mid-season or after only one season in the last 4 or 5 years. Some had really good ratings. Out of all of them, Lost and Heroes, and are the only survivors. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Keith, I really don't think that a series spun off from this movie would succeed. (Not me being negative again, folks.) H'Wood has a track record of not following through on series. We can sit here for weeks, rattling off the names of great series that died too soon because the networks that carried them didn't market or back them properly. This Trek is a flash in the pan. A series coming out of it will be the flavor of the week, then become an afterthought. And that HURTS the Trek franchise. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 02:55:53 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The other thing I keep noticing is that people keep talking about the best Trek movie either. Would this take, however, generate a longrunning series? The magic of Trek has never been the movies. They've always been just fun things to make money at the box office. It was the accumulated magic and intelligence of the series that made Trek. So in a way this isn't the right argument. I'm sure the movies will be successful, and I will be there for all of them. I liked this film. A lot. But do we think that in a few years there'll be anew Trek series on TV, that it will do really well, that it'll last for years and that it will spawn future generations of fans the way the other series did? That's the question, and I'm not seeig anything here to answer that in the affirmative. - Original Message - From: Bosco Bosco To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:33:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Keith One of the things I love about this list are your posts. I'm saying that up front because I am gonna respectfully disagree with you.I LOVE the new Trek Film. I will say without question it's the best Trek Film EVER. It's not lazy. That's partly because it's Trek and partly
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I used to watch it. It was the place for me to find codes. Oh how I wish I could find some help for this Star Trek game I got. But getting back to the point at hand. That is another station that has turn for the worse. Video stations that no longer show videos, gaming that no long show games. Makes you wonder when the Cartoon Network will start allowing Wilma Flintstone have her on talk show. --Lavender P.S. I forgot Space Ghost, Coast to Coast. From: Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:42 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Anyone here watch G4 tv? Remember how it was two years ago? It was video games, electronics, and behind the scenes shows of video game making. Now it is reruns of Cops and Cheaters all day long. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: If Mr. Worf doesn't mind me answering for him, Keith, there's this soon-to-arrive dreck. Thought that Ghost Hunters was the end of the horror? No... http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/promotion_landing_page/theothersiders/index.html Martin (putting cotton balls in ears, in anticipation of the screams to come...) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 21:59:50 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Say what?? Please elucidate! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:08:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Even the cartoon network is doing multiple reality shows starting in June. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Naught but truth in that, Mr. Worf. Reality TV costs less and makes money. :-( -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 05:58:35 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com They also don't like to spend money on them. Look at how many scifi shows that were started and canceled mid-season or after only one season in the last 4 or 5 years. Some had really good ratings. Out of all of them, Lost and Heroes, and are the only survivors. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Keith, I really don't think that a series spun off from this movie would succeed. (Not me being negative again, folks.) H'Wood has a track record of not following through on series. We can sit here for weeks, rattling off the names of great series that died too soon because the networks that carried them didn't market or back them properly. This Trek is a flash in the pan. A series coming out of it will be the flavor of the week, then become an afterthought. And that HURTS the Trek franchise. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Date : Sun, 17 May 2009 02:55:53 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com The other thing I keep noticing is that people keep talking about the best Trek movie either. Would this take, however, generate a longrunning series? The magic of Trek has never been the movies. They've always been just fun things to make money at the box office. It was the accumulated magic and intelligence of the series that made Trek. So in a way this isn't the right argument. I'm sure the movies will be successful, and I will be there for all of them. I liked this film. A lot. But do we think that in a few years there'll be anew Trek series on TV, that it will do really well, that it'll last for years and that it will spawn future generations of fans the way the other series did? That's the question, and I'm not seeig anything here to answer that in the affirmative. - Original Message - From: Bosco Bosco To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:33:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan Keith One of the things I love about this list are your posts. I'm saying that up front because I am gonna respectfully disagree with you.I LOVE the new Trek Film. I will say without question it's the best Trek Film EVER. It's not lazy. That's partly because it's Trek and partly because it's not. It's not lazy. It's just not what you want. It's clear that a tremendous
