Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
In terms of casual, non-tech users, i agree with your statement. Win95 wasn't bad for its time, but had problems. Win2K is actually a pretty good OS, but it was more for corporate environments. It lacked the heavy multimedia and graphics bells and whistles aimed for the home consumer. That's what ME and Vista were supposed to bring, but failed at doing. XP was the successful combination of the security/stability of 2K with the multimedia/user friendliness of what ME and Vista were supposed to be. Again, Windows 7 is a really good OS, too. I like the new look, the many options, the expanded help menus. But it has a pretty steep learning curve to master, and the cost is just prohibitive for many people. As for Linux, i agree. There are many user friendly versions with ever-increasing user friendly GUI's and stuff, but you still need to get under the hood to make it work fully in all home situations. I'm teaching myself Ubuntu, but that's a career move as well as for a genuine interest in learning it. - Original Message - From: "Bosco Bosco" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:53:27 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP It's my own marginally informed opinion that XP is the only decent, stable and fully functional version of Windows ever. I didnt hate 98 but ME blew chunks and 2000 was not a great system for casual users like myself. Everything since XP has been a piece of crap. Microsoft has made a fortune stealing ideas and repackaging them poorly. There's no mystery in the desire to kill the best thing they ever made. There's no need to return to the trough if you're getting good feed. If you take away the food, you make people hungry again. It's pity that Apple costs a billion times more than the hardware's worth and linux requires a reasonable tech mind to run effectively. Bosco --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 6:16 PM Vista was the worst OS Microsoft has put out in decades, with the possible exception of the horrid Windows Millennium. Both are buggy, hard to troubleshoot, and just plain unstable. I bypassed both, sticking with Win2K until XP, then XP until 7... - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:36:17 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Makes me angry as well, Keith. Just a few minutes ago, my niece, running Vista on her laptop, had lost all sound on her system, and we had to puzzle out how to reset the drivers. I've never had that issue using XP. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > wrote: No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what they're trying to do here. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < martinbaxter7@ gmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to upgrade? More at: http://www.pcworld. com/article/ 202612/microsoft s_notsosecret_ plan_to_cripple_ windows_xp. html?tk=nl_ wbx_h_crawl1 -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
It's my own marginally informed opinion that XP is the only decent, stable and fully functional version of Windows ever. I didnt hate 98 but ME blew chunks and 2000 was not a great system for casual users like myself. Everything since XP has been a piece of crap. Microsoft has made a fortune stealing ideas and repackaging them poorly. There's no mystery in the desire to kill the best thing they ever made. There's no need to return to the trough if you're getting good feed. If you take away the food, you make people hungry again. It's pity that Apple costs a billion times more than the hardware's worth and linux requires a reasonable tech mind to run effectively. Bosco --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 6:16 PM Vista was the worst OS Microsoft has put out in decades, with the possible exception of the horrid Windows Millennium. Both are buggy, hard to troubleshoot, and just plain unstable. I bypassed both, sticking with Win2K until XP, then XP until 7... - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:36:17 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Makes me angry as well, Keith. Just a few minutes ago, my niece, running Vista on her laptop, had lost all sound on her system, and we had to puzzle out how to reset the drivers. I've never had that issue using XP. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what they're trying to do here. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to upgrade? More at: http://www.pcworld. com/article/ 202612/microsoft s_notsosecret_ plan_to_cripple_ windows_xp. html?tk=nl_ wbx_h_crawl1 -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
Vista was the worst OS Microsoft has put out in decades, with the possible exception of the horrid Windows Millennium. Both are buggy, hard to troubleshoot, and just plain unstable. I bypassed both, sticking with Win2K until XP, then XP until 7... - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:36:17 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Makes me angry as well, Keith. Just a few minutes ago, my niece, running Vista on her laptop, had lost all sound on her system, and we had to puzzle out how to reset the drivers. I've never had that issue using XP. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what they're trying to do here. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to upgrade? More at: http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
Depends on the sound device. I have problems with my sound everyday when I'm online because of a problem with flash. (usually closing the browser will fix it.) On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Makes me angry as well, Keith. Just a few minutes ago, my niece, running > Vista on her laptop, had lost all sound on her system, and we had to puzzle > out how to reset the drivers. I've never had that issue using XP. > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy >> with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it >> back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and >> hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data >> abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to >> direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's >> great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, >> even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have >> to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a >> real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what >> they're trying to do here. >> >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Martin Baxter" >> To: "SciFiNoir2" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP >> >> >> >> Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of >> Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista >> and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system >> that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, >> putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to >> upgrade? >> >> More at: >> http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 >> >> -- >> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell >> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> > > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
Makes me angry as well, Keith. Just a few minutes ago, my niece, running Vista on her laptop, had lost all sound on her system, and we had to puzzle out how to reset the drivers. I've never had that issue using XP. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy > with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it > back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and > hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data > abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to > direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's > great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, > even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have > to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a > real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what > they're trying to do here. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM > Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP > > > > Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of > Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista > and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system > that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, > putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to > upgrade? > > More at: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
I hear you. I have two laptops, both running XP. I don't want to spend the money now to replace them just to get Windows 7. They're an IBM T41 and T42, and run XP great, but would drag a bit with 7. I have a desktop running 7, but I loaded VMWare to it, and then loaded a XP into that VMWare session. Why? So I can do test and support for the many cases where XP is still dominant. Most non-IT people I know with home PCs have told me repeatedly they're happy with XP, and won't get a new OS until they have to buy a new machine. As for Apple, it truly is a different experience. Ducats prevent me from going that route, but I am looking forward to it... - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:41:49 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP I've been happy with XP ever since it first came out. The only reason I'm looking to Apple is because of the considerable charms invoked by lady friends of mine who have Macs. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: I agree. It cosst a *lot* of time and money to move to a new OS. On the corporate side, you can be talking hundreds or thousands of computers, requiring major rollout/upgrade projects. I know 'cause I spent ten years doing it for my last permanent job, from NT 4.0 and OS/2 to Win2003 and XP. There's a lot of software testing that must take place in the corporate world to ensure that critical software functions on new OS's. There's often a major expense in upgrading hardware to accommodate the new OS' greater needs for RAM, CPU power, and hard drive space. For the home user, there's the money to buy a new OS, the always scary prospect of upgrading a machine's OS --somethign I never do, preferring a wipe/new install--and the time and effort needed to learn about using and troubleshooting a new OS at home. And again, if the home user has a PC that's as relatively young as five years old, it may be fine for the old OS, but must be upgraded or replaced to give the most robust experience on the new OS. I've been in IT for over a decade, and learning this stuff is what I have to do, but I admit even my eyes glaze over and my head throbs sometimes at trying to learn the intricacies of a new OS. There are people who'd be perfectly happy using XP five years from now. I say let 'em, 'cause at least they're still sticking with Microsoft instead of bolting to Apple or Linux. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:48:16 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Then they need to stop putting out computers with it. I bought my netbook from Verizon last fall and it has XP on it. They have to realize that if they have a large customer base that uses it, they MUST support it. Period. Or give us a better alternative. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what they're trying to do here. ----- Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put t
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
Great foresight! On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: > > > I thought I'd toss that in just in case they tried to use it as an excuse. > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > >> >> >> I doubt that these sorts have thought so far as to consider the economy. >> Just their own bottom lines. >> >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sp3 at all in the article. Is it >>> because there are still a lot of people that didn't upgrade to sp3? >>> >>> I can understand M$'s point of view on this but I still think that their >>> actions are a bad choice. You cannot force people to upgrade if they are >>> happy with what they have. (even if it isn't the best) Upgrading for >>> upgrading's sake is not the plan. M$ has already mentioned that Windows 8 is >>> coming out in another year or two so why bother? >>> >>> I think that they are pushing the upgrade in hopes to not only pull in >>> another billion but to force the people that may have a hacked copy to >>> possibly pay this time. Yea...Right. >>> >>> Another thing is that in these tough economic times there just aren't a >>> lot of people that can justify upgrading their OS just to make M$ happy. >>> Like Keith mentioned it will require ram and hard drive upgrades. Possibly >>> video card upgrades too. Great for the tech resellers but this will not >>> jumpstart the economy. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Martin Baxter >> > wrote: >>> Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to upgrade? More at: http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>> Mahogany at: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell >> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
I thought I'd toss that in just in case they tried to use it as an excuse. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > I doubt that these sorts have thought so far as to consider the economy. > Just their own bottom lines. > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: > >> >> >> I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sp3 at all in the article. Is it >> because there are still a lot of people that didn't upgrade to sp3? >> >> I can understand M$'s point of view on this but I still think that their >> actions are a bad choice. You cannot force people to upgrade if they are >> happy with what they have. (even if it isn't the best) Upgrading for >> upgrading's sake is not the plan. M$ has already mentioned that Windows 8 is >> coming out in another year or two so why bother? >> >> I think that they are pushing the upgrade in hopes to not only pull in >> another billion but to force the people that may have a hacked copy to >> possibly pay this time. Yea...Right. >> >> Another thing is that in these tough economic times there just aren't a >> lot of people that can justify upgrading their OS just to make M$ happy. >> Like Keith mentioned it will require ram and hard drive upgrades. Possibly >> video card upgrades too. Great for the tech resellers but this will not >> jumpstart the economy. >> >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Martin Baxter >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of >>> Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista >>> and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system >>> that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, >>> putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to >>> upgrade? >>> >>> More at: >>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 >>> >>> -- >>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >> Mahogany at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >> > > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
I doubt that these sorts have thought so far as to consider the economy. Just their own bottom lines. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: > > > I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sp3 at all in the article. Is it > because there are still a lot of people that didn't upgrade to sp3? > > I can understand M$'s point of view on this but I still think that their > actions are a bad choice. You cannot force people to upgrade if they are > happy with what they have. (even if it isn't the best) Upgrading for > upgrading's sake is not the plan. M$ has already mentioned that Windows 8 is > coming out in another year or two so why bother? > > I think that they are pushing the upgrade in hopes to not only pull in > another billion but to force the people that may have a hacked copy to > possibly pay this time. Yea...Right. > > Another thing is that in these tough economic times there just aren't a lot > of people that can justify upgrading their OS just to make M$ happy. Like > Keith mentioned it will require ram and hard drive upgrades. Possibly video > card upgrades too. Great for the tech resellers but this will not jumpstart > the economy. > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > >> >> >> Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of >> Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista >> and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system >> that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, >> putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to >> upgrade? >> >> More at: >> http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 >> >> -- >> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell >> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
I've been happy with XP ever since it first came out. The only reason I'm looking to Apple is because of the considerable charms invoked by lady friends of mine who have Macs. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > I agree. It cosst a *lot* of time and money to move to a new OS. On the > corporate side, you can be talking hundreds or thousands of computers, > requiring major rollout/upgrade projects. I know 'cause I spent ten years > doing it for my last permanent job, from NT 4.0 and OS/2 to Win2003 and XP. > There's a lot of software testing that must take place in the corporate > world to ensure that critical software functions on new OS's. There's often > a major expense in upgrading hardware to accommodate the new OS' greater > needs for RAM, CPU power, and hard drive space. For the home user, there's > the money to buy a new OS, the always scary prospect of upgrading a > machine's OS --somethign I never do, preferring a wipe/new install--and the > time and effort needed to learn about using and troubleshooting a new OS at > home. And again, if the home user has a PC that's as relatively young as > five years old, it may be fine for the old OS, but must be upgraded or > replaced to give the most robust experience on the new OS. > I've been in IT for over a decade, and learning this stuff is what I have > to do, but I admit even my eyes glaze over and my head throbs sometimes at > trying to learn the intricacies of a new OS. There are people who'd be > perfectly happy using XP five years from now. I say let 'em, 'cause at least > they're still sticking with Microsoft instead of bolting to Apple or Linux. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Adrianne Brennan" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:48:16 PM > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows > XP > > > > Then they need to stop putting out computers with it. I bought my netbook > from Verizon last fall and it has XP on it. > > They have to realize that if they have a large customer base that uses it, > they MUST support it. Period. Or give us a better alternative. > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy >> with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it >> back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and >> hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data >> abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to >> direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's >> great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, >> even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have >> to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a >> real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what >> they're trying to do here. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Baxter" >> To: "SciFiNoir2" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP >> >> >> >> Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of >> Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista >> and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system >> that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, >> putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to >> upgrade? >> >> More at: >> http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 >> >> -- >> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell >> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sp3 at all in the article. Is it because there are still a lot of people that didn't upgrade to sp3? I can understand M$'s point of view on this but I still think that their actions are a bad choice. You cannot force people to upgrade if they are happy with what they have. (even if it isn't the best) Upgrading for upgrading's sake is not the plan. M$ has already mentioned that Windows 8 is coming out in another year or two so why bother? I think that they are pushing the upgrade in hopes to not only pull in another billion but to force the people that may have a hacked copy to possibly pay this time. Yea...Right. Another thing is that in these tough economic times there just aren't a lot of people that can justify upgrading their OS just to make M$ happy. Like Keith mentioned it will require ram and hard drive upgrades. Possibly video card upgrades too. Great for the tech resellers but this will not jumpstart the economy. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of > Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista > and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system > that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, > putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to > upgrade? > > More at: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
I agree. It cosst a *lot* of time and money to move to a new OS. On the corporate side, you can be talking hundreds or thousands of computers, requiring major rollout/upgrade projects. I know 'cause I spent ten years doing it for my last permanent job, from NT 4.0 and OS/2 to Win2003 and XP. There's a lot of software testing that must take place in the corporate world to ensure that critical software functions on new OS's. There's often a major expense in upgrading hardware to accommodate the new OS' greater needs for RAM, CPU power, and hard drive space. For the home user, there's the money to buy a new OS, the always scary prospect of upgrading a machine's OS --somethign I never do, preferring a wipe/new install--and the time and effort needed to learn about using and troubleshooting a new OS at home. And again, if the home user has a PC that's as relatively young as five years old, it may be fine for the old OS, but must be upgraded or replaced to give the most robust experience on the new OS. I've been in IT for over a decade, and learning this stuff is what I have to do, but I admit even my eyes glaze over and my head throbs sometimes at trying to learn the intricacies of a new OS. There are people who'd be perfectly happy using XP five years from now. I say let 'em, 'cause at least they're still sticking with Microsoft instead of bolting to Apple or Linux. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:48:16 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Then they need to stop putting out computers with it. I bought my netbook from Verizon last fall and it has XP on it. They have to realize that if they have a large customer base that uses it, they MUST support it. Period. Or give us a better alternative. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what they're trying to do here. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < martinbaxt...@gmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to upgrade? More at: http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
Then they need to stop putting out computers with it. I bought my netbook from Verizon last fall and it has XP on it. They have to realize that if they have a large customer base that uses it, they MUST support it. Period. Or give us a better alternative. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy > with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it > back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and > hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data > abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to > direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's > great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, > even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have > to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a > real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what > they're trying to do here. > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM > Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP > > > > Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of > Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista > and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system > that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, > putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to > upgrade? > > More at: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > >
Re: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP
No, it's B.S. I've spent the last week fixing a lady's PC that was lousy with infections, so bad they'd turned off Windows Firewall. I had to roll it back from SP3 to SP2, then re-install SP3. I was amazed at how sparse and hard to find the SP2 resources were on Microsoft's site. Also, while XP data abounds at their site, there were obvious links all over the place trying to direct one to Windows 7. I have Windows 7 on the PC I'm using now, and it's great. But XP is the best OS they put out since Windows 2000--better, even--and I see no reason to push people toward it. For those of us who have to watch our money, for people for whom an upgrade to Windows 7 represents a real financial struggle, XP is a godsend. I find it appalling at what they're trying to do here. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:58:45 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Microsoft's Not-So-Secret Plan to Cripple Windows XP Microsoft isn't particularly pleased about the continuing success of Windows XP, which has more than twice the installed base of Windows Vista and 7 put together. So it's trying its hardest to kill the operating system that won't die, including refusing to issue security patches for XP SP2, putting many XP users at risk. Is that the right way to get people to upgrade? More at: http://www.pcworld.com/article/202612/microsofts_notsosecret_plan_to_cripple_windows_xp.html?tk=nl_wbx_h_crawl1 -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
