Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
I'm with you on this, Mr Worf. Whoopi lost me as a fan back when, on the view, she and Sherri Shepard both defended the use of the N-word as acceptable, bringing Elisabeth Hasselbeck to tears as she decried its use. Never agreed with Hasselbeck on a single point of hers before that. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's got a few things to say:http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135 *I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
I think she lost me when she did the black face jokes thing with Ted Danson, On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: I'm with you on this, Mr Worf. Whoopi lost me as a fan back when, on the view, she and Sherri Shepard both defended the use of the N-word as acceptable, bringing Elisabeth Hasselbeck to tears as she decried its use. Never agreed with Hasselbeck on a single point of hers before that. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's got a few things to
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
I'd forgotten all about that stunt. Another mark against her in my book. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think she lost me when she did the black face jokes thing with Ted Danson, On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: I'm with you on this, Mr Worf. Whoopi lost me as a fan back when, on the view, she and Sherri Shepard both defended the use of the N-word as acceptable, bringing Elisabeth Hasselbeck to tears as she decried its use. Never agreed with Hasselbeck on a single point of hers before that. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote: I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because
[scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers... This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's got a few things to say: I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in my house with my kids, added Goldberg, 54.I don't like what he's done, make no mistake, she went on. I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying I don't see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with him. That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com. She's apparently taken the stance that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly boneheaded, it's not necessarily racist. Goldberg's careful to add that she doesn't support Gibson's behavior or the things that he's said that might be construed as threatening to Gibson's ex or children, but that whole pack of n---gers thing definitely wasn't racist. With that in mind, let's take a trip down memory lane for the other non-racist and tolerant things that Gibson's been caught saying on camera, on tape, or by police officers with glorious breasts: You look like a f-cking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n---ers, it will be your fault. F-cking Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world… Are you a Jew? With this look, who's going to think I'm gay? I don't lend
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
No harm, no foul. I post, you comment. Fair play. :-) Brent Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net writes: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons.Ê But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me.Ê The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels,Ê yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks.Ê By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes.Ê This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things.Ê With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist.Ê Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers... This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand.Ê The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons.Ê On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media.Ê This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press.Ê On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist.Ê Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi [ http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135 ]Goldberg's got a few things to say: I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in my house with my kids, added Goldberg, 54.I don't like what he's done, make no mistake, she went on. I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying I don't see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with him. That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com.Ê She's apparently taken the stance that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly boneheaded, it's not necessarily racist.Ê Goldberg's careful to add that she doesn't support Gibson's behavior or the things that he's said that might be construed as threatening to Gibson's ex or children, but that whole pack of n---gers thing definitely wasn't racist.Ê With that in mind, let's take a trip down memory lane for the other non-racist and tolerant things that Gibson's been caught saying on camera, on tape, or by police officers with glorious breasts: You look like a f-cking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n---ers, it will be
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's got a few things to say:http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135 *I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in my house with my kids, added Goldberg, 54.I don't like what he's done, make no mistake, she went on. I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying I don't see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with him.* That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com. She's apparently taken the stance that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
The whole Whoppi Goldberg thing is bizarre. I can't imagine hearing these words from anyone I know and then trying to defend that person. Does anyone else feel as though this recording is getting so much play just because news outlets want to play slurs, even when they're bleeped? On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his) rose garden, and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's got a few things to say:http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135 *I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
There could be a couple of things going on here. One could be that there are some producers milking it for what its worth. (that's always a certainty) The other is that someone is getting pleasure out of it because it is so un-PC which is a conservative hot button. It fits right in with the teabagger crap. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Tracy Curtis tlcurti...@gmail.com wrote: The whole Whoppi Goldberg thing is bizarre. I can't imagine hearing these words from anyone I know and then trying to defend that person. Does anyone else feel as though this recording is getting so much play just because news outlets want to play slurs, even when they're bleeped? On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to plant her in (his)
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
You're right on both counts. Gibson's dad spends his time as a traveling Holocaust denier. Gibson subscribes to some older tenets of the Catholic Church--officially abandoned by the church a few decades back--that lean more toward things such as condemning the Jews for the Crucifixtion. I have certainly known closet bigots on this level in my life, but it's been a while... As for Goldberg, unfortunately I have friends and relatives just like that. They condemn blacks for all the wrongs they suffered at their hands, but don't hold the same grudges against whites. I have black friends who are really quick to call blacks ghetto, or label all black women golddiggers or whatever, but who never speak in general terms about the bad characteristics of other ethnic groups. Dennis Rodman is an example. He loves to say he dates white women because black women were so cruel to him before he gained fame and money. somehow he's never forgiven those knucklehead sisters who were shallow in his youth, but doesn't seem to realize few white women would be dating him if he weren't rich? Don't get it. A big concern of mine recently has been the explosion in black men who are quick to call Sisters gold diggers, but don't seem to label other races--often more deserving--as quickly with that title. I get that it hurts more coming from your own, but shouldn't forgiveness start there too? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17:36 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things. With that said
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist
I believe that there needs to be more of a dialog on this but until someone in the media takes on the topic it will not exist. I guess Whoopi and others are the equivalent of self hating black ala Uncle Ruckus. Or denial on overdrive. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: You're right on both counts. Gibson's dad spends his time as a traveling Holocaust denier. Gibson subscribes to some older tenets of the Catholic Church--officially abandoned by the church a few decades back--that lean more toward things such as condemning the Jews for the Crucifixtion. I have certainly known closet bigots on this level in my life, but it's been a while... As for Goldberg, unfortunately I have friends and relatives just like that. They condemn blacks for all the wrongs they suffered at their hands, but don't hold the same grudges against whites. I have black friends who are really quick to call blacks ghetto, or label all black women golddiggers or whatever, but who never speak in general terms about the bad characteristics of other ethnic groups. Dennis Rodman is an example. He loves to say he dates white women because black women were so cruel to him before he gained fame and money. somehow he's never forgiven those knucklehead sisters who were shallow in his youth, but doesn't seem to realize few white women would be dating him if he weren't rich? Don't get it. A big concern of mine recently has been the explosion in black men who are quick to call Sisters gold diggers, but don't seem to label other races--often more deserving--as quickly with that title. I get that it hurts more coming from your own, but shouldn't forgiveness start there too? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17:36 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: Mel Gibson is Not a Racist I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This happens to a lot of people of color that gain acceptance through tokenism and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with the world. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Brent, I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of The Passion of the Christ were troublesome as well. As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she attacks people who use the term African-American, saying she's just an American, as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard. She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at black labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, What the fu**, Mel?! http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racisthttp://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist *We've been following the goings-on over at the Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard
