Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-19 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I feel guilty.  I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
 Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
 Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
 wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
 great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
 i'm happy to pay for those channels. 

 And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
 just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
 that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
 before--like the Magnificent Seven--i check it off the list). Everything 
 from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
 seen race films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
 TCMs Thirty Days of Oscar (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
 Oscar nominated films).   I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
 from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
 channels take care of that need of mine.



 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
 Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
 trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
 two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
 Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
 days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
 plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
 more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
 still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
 However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
 I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
 The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
 much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
 but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
 downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find 
 it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

 channel 44 is PBS in low def
 channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
 channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
 etc.

 And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
 HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
 channel-search.

 For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
 NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
 movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand 
 demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly 
 expense.

 Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL 
 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-19 Thread KeithBJohnson
i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
channels

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
 Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
 Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
 wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
 great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
 i'm happy to pay for those channels. 

 And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
 just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
 that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
 before--like the Magnificent Seven--i check it off the list). Everything 
 from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
 seen race films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
 TCMs Thirty Days of Oscar (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
 Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
 from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
 channels take care of that need of mine.



 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
 Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
 trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
 two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
 Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
 days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
 plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
 more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
 still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
 However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
 I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
 The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
 much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
 but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
 downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find 
 it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

 channel 44 is PBS in low def
 channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
 channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
 etc.

 And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
 HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
 channel-search.

 For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
 NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
 movies, and so forth is 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-19 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
True.  I wish it was more extensive.  What I do like is that must of the 
movies from the premium channels that you are subscribed to are on 
demand, so you are not locked into their schedule

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
 channels

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
 Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
 Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
 wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
 great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
 i'm happy to pay for those channels. 

 And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
 just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
 that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
 before--like the Magnificent Seven--i check it off the list). Everything 
 from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
 seen race films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
 TCMs Thirty Days of Oscar (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
 Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
 from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
 channels take care of that need of mine.



 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
 Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
 trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
 two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
 Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
 days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
 plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
 more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
 still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
 However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
 I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
 The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
 much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
 but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
 downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD 
 and sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or 
 find it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

 channel 44 is PBS in low def
 channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
 channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
 etc.

 And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
 HD, too. 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-19 Thread KeithBJohnson
i get Turner Classic Movies as part of the basic package, so not much extra 
money there

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
True. I wish it was more extensive. What I do like is that must of the 
movies from the premium channels that you are subscribed to are on 
demand, so you are not locked into their schedule

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
 channels

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
 Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
 Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
 wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
 great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
 i'm happy to pay for those channels. 

 And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
 just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
 that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
 before--like the Magnificent Seven--i check it off the list). Everything 
 from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
 seen race films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
 TCMs Thirty Days of Oscar (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
 Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
 from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
 channels take care of that need of mine.



 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
 Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
 trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
 two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
 Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
 days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
 plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
 more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
 still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
 However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
 I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
 The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
 much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
 but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
 downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD 
 and sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or 
 find it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-19 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
But I have premium channels

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i get Turner Classic Movies as part of the basic package, so not much extra 
 money there

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 True. I wish it was more extensive. What I do like is that must of the 
 movies from the premium channels that you are subscribed to are on 
 demand, so you are not locked into their schedule

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
 channels

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
 Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
 Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
 wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
 great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
 i'm happy to pay for those channels. 

 And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
 just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
 that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
 before--like the Magnificent Seven--i check it off the list). Everything 
 from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
 seen race films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), 
 to TCMs Thirty Days of Oscar (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning 
 or Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think 
 of from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
 channels take care of that need of mine.



 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
 Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
 trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
 two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
 Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
 days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
 plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
 more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
 still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
 However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
 I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
 The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
 much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
 but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
 downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD 
 and sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or 
 find it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Keith:

Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection?  
You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies.  how do 
you get them on demand.   I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
rarely use the pay portion.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer 
 to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it 
 online.  Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange 
 and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

 channel 44 is PBS in low def
 channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
 channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
 etc.

 And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
 HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
 channel-search.

 For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
 NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
 movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand 
 demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly 
 expense.

 Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL 
 far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here 
 in Mass).

 George
 http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 [source: MediaPost TV Board]

 Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
 by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008

 I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing 
 
 statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service, 
 Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:
   
 Level of Service 

 Current Price

 Basic (3,5) 
 $15.95 

 New Price February 1, 2008
 $17.95 

 Expanded Basic Service

 $36.04 

 $36.54 

 Standard Cable (2,3)

 $51.99 

 $54.49 

 Digital Starter (4)

 $55.98 

 $58.48 



 1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC 
 
 SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to 
 subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service, 
 programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing, 
 programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
 866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium 
 channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
 Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
   
 equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.

 2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded 
 
 Basic Service.
   
 3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service 
 
 or Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-
 866-660-6137 for further information.
   
 4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital 
 
 Cable Box, a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice 
 and limited Channel 1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted 
 high definition cable box and remote control, an additional $6 
 equipment fee is required.
   
 5) Discount available to subscribers who are age 65+ and not more 
 
 than 1 person under age 65 in household. Customers must complete and 
 submit application to Comcast Cable at 21 Old Route 6, Carmel, New 
 York 10512. Restrictions apply.
   
 I'm fine with all this information, although I must admit that the 
 
 fine print didn't really help clarify exactly what I was getting for 
 my dough. Being the curious type of guy that I am, with trepidation I 
 turned to the next page and the next and the next -- and then my head 
 imploded. Too many pricing choices, each with its own arcane 
 definition. Take a look for yourself (left and right, at two out 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread KeithBJohnson
i may do that, thanks

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Plus you can now download movies and TV series using Netflix. The cable
company is definitely the old and more expensive way to get down. I bought
a second tier package through Time Warner because I want to watch soccer all
year long, but I also write part of my cable bill off. I would give Netflix
or GreenCine a shot because, like Tracey says, you seem to like a lot of the
stuff that isn¹t available through cable.

On 1/18/08 12:56 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 
 
 Keith:
 
 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection?
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I
 rarely use the pay portion.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote:
  that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there.
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer
 to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it
 online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange
 and History and so forth
 
  Really good system you have, though
 
  -- Original message --
  From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:g123curious%40yahoo.com
  
  Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month.
  It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd
  get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't
  get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable
  channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.
 
  I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD
  channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I
  hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to
  watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several
  HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
  channel 4 is CBS in low-def
  channel 4.1 is CBS in HD
 
  channel 5 is ABC in low-def
  channel 5.1 is ABC in HD
 
  channel 7 is NBC in low-def
  channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
  channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD
 
  channel 2 is PBS in low def
  channel 2.2 is PBS in HD
 
  channel 44 is PBS in low def
  channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
  channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
  etc.
 
  And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in
  HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
  channel-search.
 
  For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with
  NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS
  movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand
  demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly
  expense.
 
  Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL
  far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here
  in Mass).
 
  George
  http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com
 
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ,
 Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  [source: MediaPost TV Board]
 
  Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
  by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008
 
  I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing
  
  statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service,
  Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:
  
  Level of Service
 
  Current Price
 
  Basic (3,5) 
  $15.95 
 
  New Price February 1, 2008
  $17.95 
 
  Expanded Basic Service
 
  $36.04 
 
  $36.54 
 
  Standard Cable (2,3)
 
  $51.99 
 
  $54.49 
 
  Digital Starter (4)
 
  $55.98 
 
  $58.48 
 
 
 
  1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC
  
  SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to
  subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service,
  programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing,
  programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
  866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium
  channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
  Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
  
  equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.
 
  2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded
  
  Basic Service.
  
  3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service
  
  or Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-
  866-660-6137 for further information.
  
  4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital
  
  Cable Box, a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice
  and limited Channel 1 On Demand content. To 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer.  
Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores.  But, I am having 
trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores.  There are 
two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix.  
Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
days for a movie to arrive.  Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
plan.  I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores.  
However, I do understand.  My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when I've 
 wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. The 
 whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I much 
 prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, but I 
 think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer 
 to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it 
 online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange 
 and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

 channel 44 is PBS in low def
 channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
 channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
 etc.

 And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
 HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
 channel-search.

 For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
 NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
 movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand 
 demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly 
 expense.

 Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL 
 far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here 
 in Mass).

 George
 http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 [source: MediaPost TV Board]

 Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
 by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008

 I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing 

   
 statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service, 
 Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:

 
 Level of Service 

 Current Price

 Basic (3,5) 
 $15.95 

 New Price February 1, 2008
 $17.95 

 Expanded Basic Service

 $36.04 

 $36.54 

 Standard Cable (2,3)

 $51.99 

 $54.49 

 Digital Starter (4)

 $55.98 

 $58.48 



 1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC 

   
 SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to 
 subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service, 
 programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing, 
 programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
 866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium 
 channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
 Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate

 
 equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.

 2) 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread Daryle
Plus you can now download movies and TV series using Netflix. The cable
company is definitely  the old and more expensive way to get down. I bought
a second tier package through Time Warner because I want to watch soccer all
year long, but I also write part of my cable bill off. I would give Netflix
or GreenCine a shot because, like Tracey says, you seem to like a lot of the
stuff that isn¹t available through cable.


On 1/18/08 12:56 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
 
 Keith:
 
 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection?
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies.  how do
 you get them on demand.   I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I
 rarely use the pay portion.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net  wrote:
  that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there.
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer
 to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it
 online.  Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange
 and History and so forth
 
  Really good system you have, though
 
  -- Original message --
  From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:g123curious%40yahoo.com
  
  Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month.
  It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd
  get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't
  get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable
  channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.
 
  I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD
  channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I
  hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to
  watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several
  HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
  channel 4 is CBS in low-def
  channel 4.1 is CBS in HD
 
  channel 5 is ABC in low-def
  channel 5.1 is ABC in HD
 
  channel 7 is NBC in low-def
  channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
  channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD
 
  channel 2 is PBS in low def
  channel 2.2 is PBS in HD
 
  channel 44 is PBS in low def
  channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
  channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
  etc.
 
  And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in
  HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
  channel-search.
 
  For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with
  NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS
  movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand
  demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly
  expense.
 
  Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL
  far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here
  in Mass).
 
  George
  http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com
 
  --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ,
 Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  [source: MediaPost TV Board]
 
  Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
  by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008
 
  I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing
  
  statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service,
  Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:

  Level of Service
 
  Current Price
 
  Basic (3,5) 
  $15.95 
 
  New Price February 1, 2008
  $17.95 
 
  Expanded Basic Service
 
  $36.04 
 
  $36.54 
 
  Standard Cable (2,3)
 
  $51.99 
 
  $54.49 
 
  Digital Starter (4)
 
  $55.98 
 
  $58.48 
 
 
 
  1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC
  
  SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to
  subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service,
  programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing,
  programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
  866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium
  channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
  Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate

  equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.
 
  2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded
  
  Basic Service.

  3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service
  
  or Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-
  866-660-6137 for further information.

  4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital
  
  Cable Box, a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice
  and limited Channel 1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted
  high definition cable box and remote 

[scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread g123curious
Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
channel 4 is CBS in low-def
channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

channel 5 is ABC in low-def
channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

channel 7 is NBC in low-def
channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

channel 2 is PBS in low def
channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

channel 44 is PBS in low def
channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
etc.

And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
channel-search.

For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand 
demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly 
expense.

Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL 
far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here 
in Mass).

George
http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 [source: MediaPost TV Board]
 
 Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
 by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008
 
 I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing 
statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service, 
Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:
 
 Level of Service 
 
 Current Price
  
 Basic (3,5) 
 $15.95 
 
 New Price February 1, 2008
 $17.95 
 
 Expanded Basic Service
 
 $36.04 
 
 $36.54 
 
 Standard Cable (2,3)
 
 $51.99 
 
 $54.49 
 
 Digital Starter (4)
 
 $55.98 
 
 $58.48 
 
 
 
 1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC 
SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to 
subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service, 
programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing, 
programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium 
channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
 equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.
 
 2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded 
Basic Service.
 
 3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service 
or Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-
866-660-6137 for further information.
 
 4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital 
Cable Box, a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice 
and limited Channel 1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted 
high definition cable box and remote control, an additional $6 
equipment fee is required.
 
 5) Discount available to subscribers who are age 65+ and not more 
than 1 person under age 65 in household. Customers must complete and 
submit application to Comcast Cable at 21 Old Route 6, Carmel, New 
York 10512. Restrictions apply.
 
 
 I'm fine with all this information, although I must admit that the 
fine print didn't really help clarify exactly what I was getting for 
my dough. Being the curious type of guy that I am, with trepidation I 
turned to the next page and the next and the next -- and then my head 
imploded. Too many pricing choices, each with its own arcane 
definition. Take a look for yourself (left and right, at two out of 
the three pages. Perhaps this printed exercise was meant to satiate 
the government as well as obfuscate instead of clarify. Beats me. 
Don't get me wrong -- I enjoy my Comcast service (though I wish my 
HD/DVR wouldn't freeze up so often and the set top box would be 
cooler than a hot griddle). However, there must be an easier, more 
inviting way to communicate viewing and service options to consumers.
 
 Then again, I should be thankful that the Comcast services pricing 
litany was at least in decipherable English. You should see my family 
plan monthly wireless billing statement...
 
 
 Mitch Oscar is executive vice president, director of CaratDigital, 
Carat North America.





Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread KeithBJohnson
that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. I've 
never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and sending 
it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer to do 
pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it online.  
Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange and History 
and so forth

Really good system you have, though

-- Original message -- 
From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
channel 4 is CBS in low-def
channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

channel 5 is ABC in low-def
channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

channel 7 is NBC in low-def
channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

channel 2 is PBS in low def
channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

channel 44 is PBS in low def
channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
etc.

And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
channel-search.

For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand 
demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly 
expense.

Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL 
far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here 
in Mass).

George
http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 [source: MediaPost TV Board]
 
 Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
 by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008
 
 I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing 
statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service, 
Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:
 
 Level of Service 
 
 Current Price
 
 Basic (3,5) 
 $15.95 
 
 New Price February 1, 2008
 $17.95 
 
 Expanded Basic Service
 
 $36.04 
 
 $36.54 
 
 Standard Cable (2,3)
 
 $51.99 
 
 $54.49 
 
 Digital Starter (4)
 
 $55.98 
 
 $58.48 
 
 
 
 1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC 
SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to 
subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service, 
programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing, 
programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium 
channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
 equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.
 
 2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded 
Basic Service.
 
 3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service 
or Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-
866-660-6137 for further information.
 
 4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital 
Cable Box, a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice 
and limited Channel 1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted 
high definition cable box and remote control, an additional $6 
equipment fee is required.
 
 5) Discount available to subscribers who are age 65+ and not more 
than 1 person under age 65 in household. Customers must complete and 
submit application to Comcast Cable at 21 Old Route 6, Carmel, New 
York 10512. Restrictions apply.
 
 
 I'm fine with all this information, although I must admit that the 
fine print didn't really help clarify exactly what I was getting for 
my dough. Being the curious type of guy that I am, with trepidation I 
turned to the next page and the next and the next -- and then my head 
imploded. Too many pricing choices, each with its own arcane 
definition. Take a look for yourself (left and right, at two out of 
the three pages. Perhaps this printed exercise was meant to satiate 
the government as well as obfuscate instead of clarify. Beats me. 
Don't get me wrong -- I enjoy my Comcast service (though I wish my 
HD/DVR wouldn't freeze up so often and the set top box would be 
cooler than a hot griddle). However, there must be an easier, more 
inviting way to communicate viewing and 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread KeithBJohnson
you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when I've 
wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. The whole 
concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I much prefer 
the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, but I think part 
of me is waiting for everything to be available via downloads

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Keith:

Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
rarely use the pay portion.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer 
 to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it 
 online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange and 
 History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
 channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD

 channel 2 is PBS in low def
 channel 2.2 is PBS in HD

 channel 44 is PBS in low def
 channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
 channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
 etc.

 And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
 HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
 channel-search.

 For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
 NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel, TBS 
 movies, and so forth is available on DVD via NetFlix (or via instand 
 demand via NetFlix). And I don't have a cable box nor it's monthly 
 expense.

 Add up my monthly cable ($9) and NetFlix ($15) bills and it's STILL 
 far cheaper than Comcast cable's standard package ($54 per month here 
 in Mass).

 George
 http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [source: MediaPost TV Board]

 Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
 by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008

 I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing 
 
 statement was an IMPORTANT Information alert about Service, 
 Installation  Equipment Prices for myself and my neighbors:
 
 Level of Service 

 Current Price

 Basic (3,5) 
 $15.95 

 New Price February 1, 2008
 $17.95 

 Expanded Basic Service

 $36.04 

 $36.54 

 Standard Cable (2,3)

 $51.99 

 $54.49 

 Digital Starter (4)

 $55.98 

 $58.48 



 1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC 
 
 SERVICE. As a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to 
 subscribe to any other video service offered by Comcast Service, 
 programming and equipment are subject to availability. All pricing, 
 programming channel locations are subject to change. Please call 1-
 866-660-6137 for further information. The purchase of premium 
 channels, packages and a la carte services including iN DEMAND, Pay-
 Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
 
 equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.

 2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded 
 
 Basic Service.
 
 3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service 
 
 or Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-
 866-660-6137 for further information.
 
 4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital 
 
 Cable Box, a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice 
 and limited Channel 1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted 
 high definition cable box and remote control, an additional $6 
 equipment fee is required.
 
 5) Discount available to subscribers who are age 65+ and not more 
 
 than 1 person under age 65 in household. Customers must complete and 
 submit application to Comcast Cable at 21 Old Route 6, Carmel, New 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

2008-01-18 Thread KeithBJohnson
The thing is, I absolutely get that the Netflix mail system is great. Everyone 
I know who has it loves it. But  i often let DVDs sit around for a *long* time 
before I'm in the mood to watch them. For example, i have Superman/Doomsday 
on DVD from two months ago and have yet to watch it. Been meaning to watch 
Batman Begins again, but not yet, and still haven't finished watching 
Battlestar Galactica 2.5 from over a year ago.  I'd have a tendency to get a 
bunch of Netflix DVDs and never watch them. So as far as that goes, I prefer 
owning DVDs.  I'm just not the type who'd take advantage of the mail order 
system.

And for the downloads, I'm not yet setup with the computer multimedia system 
I'd like to watch movies only on a PC. I need to rebuild my current desktop 
(probably with Linux, which will take a while, as I don't know it yet).  My 
other PC is a laptop from work, but I don't want to use it for movie stuff. 
That leaves me to build yet another PC as a multimedia machine, which I plan to 
integrate into my home network and entertainment system. The idea is so I can 
then stream things from that PC upstairs to my TV downstairs. Also once that's 
in place, if the download systems allow me to keep the movies, then I can store 
them on my hard drive. Once I have my system setup , and the download model is 
more expansive in its offerings, that's definitely the way I'll go. I love the 
convenience of On Demand right now.

The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My wife 
digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some great 
things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So i'm happy 
to pay for those channels. 

And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show just 
about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies that I 
consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen before--like the 
Magnificent Seven--i check it off the list). Everything from silent 
films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little seen race 
films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to TCMs Thirty 
Days of Oscar (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or Oscar nominated 
films).   I don't think there's a classic film I can think of from the last 80 
years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those channels take care of 
that need of mine.



-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when I've 
 wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. The 
 whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I much 
 prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, but I 
 think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
 sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I prefer 
 to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find it 
 online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and Boomerange 
 and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as antenna service... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN