Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers
One of my favorite episdoes was the mammoth car which was a train I believe that was detroyed and made of solid gold. From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 10:21:49 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette .us/images/ 2011_corvette. jpg and a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have
Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers
Mammoth car was a semi truck with extra trailers. They call them truck trains and use them in the outback of Australia. One of the cool things about the Mammoth car was that it had 2 drivers and a bunch of equipment in the truck and still raced. They race semi trucks in Europe. Its pretty interesting to watch because they aren't very graceful. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v5d6yps=3 The truck trains are totally illegal here because you can't maneuver around them. Plus driving them around a curve here would be pretty hazardous. In the outback its pretty much flat and straight through the desert. I think they used to allow up to 7 trailers in tow, but they cut it down to 4. Check out these pics that I found: http://truck-photos.net.s3.amazonaws.com/1560.jpg http://www.mrupp.info/Photos/2005-Australia/katherine_roadtrain.jpg http://photofile.ru/photo/hexell/95023232/95800245.jpg On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:09 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote: One of my favorite episdoes was the mammoth car which was a train I believe that was detroyed and made of solid gold. -- *From:* Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 10:21:49 AM *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette .us/images/ 2011_corvette. jpghttp://2010corvette.us/images/2011_corvette.jpgand a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.netkeithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.netkeithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me
Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers
Yea I remember that! That was a two parter I believe. He tried to make the jump but couldn't do it and crashed. I'm planning on re-watching the series soon. We forgot to talk about the gunplay involved in the show too. Gangsters with Tommy guns, rifle assassins etc. Speed shooting back at the bad guys in one episode. (The way he rolled on the ground and shot was used a lot in cop / private dic shows in the 70s) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I remember that Speed Racer ep--I've seen 'em all a million times. There's the Great Race, where they race across mountains at night in the driving rain. Remember taht one? Speed had to take the Car Acrobatic Team, whose cars had wings on them that allowed them to jump across chasms and someone turn 360 spins while doing so! A whole bunch of racers died in that one. A live action Robotech? That could be really good or really horrible, depending on who does it.But then, that applies to most cartoon-to-movie translations, especially the more fantastical anime. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one of my favs of all time. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 6:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers That's one of the things about anime that I find disturbing. The style in most anime movies is that the characters take on caucasian appearances. Although the character's name may be Japanese and their mannerisms, customs etc are Japanese. Unfortunately, that is how it has been since the beginning. The live action movies have been different though, sometimes having a mixed cast. For example
Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers
The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette.us/images/2011_corvette.jpg and a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one
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You tell it, Keith! Martin (wanting to break out into the Star Blazers theme song every time this subject comes up) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: What a trip. I am a *huge* fan of the Americanized version that I saw back in junior high, and have several eps on tape. I loved the Comet Empire arc as well, especially the finale when the Starforce attacked the base. Interesting. While the two Starblazers cartoons shown on TV here had decidedly European looking characters, everyone in this movie is clearly Japanese. Maybe they should have shipped some of them over for M. Knight to cast in his flick! :) - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 4:48:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers My innerchild is dancing right now. It is taking a lot of concentration to type this out, but the movie is due this December! Here is some info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato Here's the advanced trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHXxWg7pw4 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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Mr Worf, I heard rumors of that as well. Hoping that it's close to reality. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one of my favs of all time. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 6:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers That's one of the things about anime that I find disturbing. The style in most anime movies is that the characters take on caucasian appearances. Although the character's name may be Japanese and their mannerisms, customs etc are Japanese. Unfortunately, that is how it has been since the beginning. The live action movies have been different though, sometimes having a mixed cast. For example, the later Godzilla movies. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: What a trip. I am a *huge* fan of the Americanized version that I saw back in junior high, and have several eps on tape. I loved the Comet Empire arc as well, especially the finale when the Starforce attacked the base. Interesting. While the two Starblazers cartoons shown on TV here had decidedly European looking characters, everyone in this movie is clearly Japanese. Maybe they should have shipped some of them over for M. Knight to cast in his flick! :) - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 4:48:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers My innerchild is dancing right now. It is taking a lot of concentration to type this out, but the movie is due this December! Here is some info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato Here's the advanced trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHXxWg7pw4 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity
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I remember that! He rolled and rolled, and the bad guys dropped. What I can reproduce on the e-mail are the crazy, crazy voice actors. The way the people would grunt when hit was funny! The voice dubbing made that show. For example, there was one who guy did half the characters. His was the narrator's voice, the voice of Inspector Detector, villains like Ali Ben Schemer, that crazy mad scientist who created the Car With a Brain, etc. And let's not forget the hilarious way Speed would gasp with fear when in danger, or Trixie's trademark yell! Okay...you got me, I'm going to rewatch some eps this weekend! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:05:54 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers Yea I remember that! That was a two parter I believe. He tried to make the jump but couldn't do it and crashed. I'm planning on re-watching the series soon. We forgot to talk about the gunplay involved in the show too. Gangsters with Tommy guns, rifle assassins etc. Speed shooting back at the bad guys in one episode. (The way he rolled on the ground and shot was used a lot in cop / private dic shows in the 70s) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I remember that Speed Racer ep--I've seen 'em all a million times. There's the Great Race, where they race across mountains at night in the driving rain. Remember taht one? Speed had to take the Car Acrobatic Team, whose cars had wings on them that allowed them to jump across chasms and someone turn 360 spins while doing so! A whole bunch of racers died in that one. A live action Robotech? That could be really good or really horrible, depending on who does it.But then, that applies to most cartoon-to-movie translations, especially the more fantastical anime. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters
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Isn't that the ep where Speed and Racer X had to team up? One was blinded, one had problems with his legs, so they teamed up to drive one car. I also seem to remember a little doll hanging from Speed's rearview mirror. I think a little girl had given it to him as a good luck charm. What's so funny is the way I took those eps seriously as a child. The music--like in much anime, again superiour to American 'toons--was actually very emotional. I remember being so concerned that Speed would make the jump across the chasm, feeling sad at his blindness. I remember getting very sad when he'd stand at the end of an ep and say Someday Racer X, we'll have a race, just the two of us. And I'll beat you--I'll beat you. The scene would then show the sun setting and the silhouette or Racer X in that cool car driving away, and we knew of course that he was Speed's older brother Rex who ran away from home years ago. I was so caught up in that stuff! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:05:54 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers Yea I remember that! That was a two parter I believe. He tried to make the jump but couldn't do it and crashed. I'm planning on re-watching the series soon. We forgot to talk about the gunplay involved in the show too. Gangsters with Tommy guns, rifle assassins etc. Speed shooting back at the bad guys in one episode. (The way he rolled on the ground and shot was used a lot in cop / private dic shows in the 70s) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I remember that Speed Racer ep--I've seen 'em all a million times. There's the Great Race, where they race across mountains at night in the driving rain. Remember taht one? Speed had to take the Car Acrobatic Team, whose cars had wings on them that allowed them to jump across chasms and someone turn 360 spins while doing so! A whole bunch of racers died in that one. A live action Robotech? That could be really good or really horrible, depending on who does it.But then, that applies to most cartoon-to-movie translations, especially the more fantastical anime. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non
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That's the one, truly one of the coolest car designs I've *ever* seen, as was Racer X's car. That whole series had awesome car designs. I think the speedometer on the GRX was in KPH, so it actually hit 250+ mph or something. As for a reboot, I've seen two animated redoes and both sucked. Back in the late '90s or something there was an updated Speed Racer that was godawful. Just in the last year, of course, there was that updated one where the children of Speed and others are going to some kind of racing school. It was horrible! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:21:49 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette.us/images/2011_corvette.jpg and a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized
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The last incarnation of Speed Racer was done about 2 years ago. (I think just before or just after the movie) The storyline was that it was in the future. Speed Racer was a legend and had gotten together with Spridal to create a powerful engine that did not use gasoline. When Speed was supposed to make the announcement to the world about the engine, the heads of the oil companies tried to have him killed. Through some other events, Speed's sons were separated and both eventually end up at a racing academy years later where Speed jr. finds the designs for the engine through clues left to him by his father and he builds the Mach 6. The show was kind of an homage to the Speed Racer series and was loosely tied to the original creator of the show. There are a lot of references to the original show including footage from Speed's races and some of the bad guys that were racers back then reappear. The guy that did Speed's voice owns the rights to the show and he has been trying to build into something for many years, which is why there are so many different versions of it. The 1990s version of Speed Racer had almost nothing to do with any of the series. I think that it was supposed to be a different show but they wanted to tie it to a name. 250KPH was pretty fast back then, but there were cars that could do speeds in that neighborhood. (Including the Mach 5) This conversation started me watching the series early! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: That's the one, truly one of the coolest car designs I've *ever* seen, as was Racer X's car. That whole series had awesome car designs. I think the speedometer on the GRX was in KPH, so it actually hit 250+ mph or something. As for a reboot, I've seen two animated redoes and both sucked. Back in the late '90s or something there was an updated Speed Racer that was godawful. Just in the last year, of course, there was that updated one where the children of Speed and others are going to some kind of racing school. It was horrible! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:21:49 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette.us/images/2011_corvette.jpg and a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG
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Yes! I think so but I am going to watch the episodes to make sure. I think that the show captured the appropriate amount of drama and tension for pre-teens without being overwhelming. On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Isn't that the ep where Speed and Racer X had to team up? One was blinded, one had problems with his legs, so they teamed up to drive one car. I also seem to remember a little doll hanging from Speed's rearview mirror. I think a little girl had given it to him as a good luck charm. What's so funny is the way I took those eps seriously as a child. The music--like in much anime, again superiour to American 'toons--was actually very emotional. I remember being so concerned that Speed would make the jump across the chasm, feeling sad at his blindness. I remember getting very sad when he'd stand at the end of an ep and say Someday Racer X, we'll have a race, just the two of us. And I'll beat you--I'll beat you. The scene would then show the sun setting and the silhouette or Racer X in that cool car driving away, and we knew of course that he was Speed's older brother Rex who ran away from home years ago. I was so caught up in that stuff! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:05:54 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers Yea I remember that! That was a two parter I believe. He tried to make the jump but couldn't do it and crashed. I'm planning on re-watching the series soon. We forgot to talk about the gunplay involved in the show too. Gangsters with Tommy guns, rifle assassins etc. Speed shooting back at the bad guys in one episode. (The way he rolled on the ground and shot was used a lot in cop / private dic shows in the 70s) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I remember that Speed Racer ep--I've seen 'em all a million times. There's the Great Race, where they race across mountains at night in the driving rain. Remember taht one? Speed had to take the Car Acrobatic Team, whose cars had wings on them that allowed them to jump across chasms and someone turn 360 spins while doing so! A whole bunch of racers died in that one. A live action Robotech? That could be really good or really horrible, depending on who does it.But then, that applies to most cartoon-to-movie translations, especially the more fantastical anime. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking
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That's the show, it was horrible. I couldn't stand the animation/CGI style, the whole plot of the racing academy was dopey even for a series where race cars had saws and stuff, hated the robotic monkey--you name it. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:04:16 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The last incarnation of Speed Racer was done about 2 years ago. (I think just before or just after the movie) The storyline was that it was in the future. Speed Racer was a legend and had gotten together with Spridal to create a powerful engine that did not use gasoline. When Speed was supposed to make the announcement to the world about the engine, the heads of the oil companies tried to have him killed. Through some other events, Speed's sons were separated and both eventually end up at a racing academy years later where Speed jr. finds the designs for the engine through clues left to him by his father and he builds the Mach 6. The show was kind of an homage to the Speed Racer series and was loosely tied to the original creator of the show. There are a lot of references to the original show including footage from Speed's races and some of the bad guys that were racers back then reappear. The guy that did Speed's voice owns the rights to the show and he has been trying to build into something for many years, which is why there are so many different versions of it. The 1990s version of Speed Racer had almost nothing to do with any of the series. I think that it was supposed to be a different show but they wanted to tie it to a name. 250KPH was pretty fast back then, but there were cars that could do speeds in that neighborhood. (Including the Mach 5) This conversation started me watching the series early! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: That's the one, truly one of the coolest car designs I've *ever* seen, as was Racer X's car. That whole series had awesome car designs. I think the speedometer on the GRX was in KPH, so it actually hit 250+ mph or something. As for a reboot, I've seen two animated redoes and both sucked. Back in the late '90s or something there was an updated Speed Racer that was godawful. Just in the last year, of course, there was that updated one where the children of Speed and others are going to some kind of racing school. It was horrible! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:21:49 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette.us/images/2011_corvette.jpg and a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters
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They started the show off with a couple of good episodes that started out as a mystery, but I guess after the pilot, they decided to tone it down. So we ended up with a watered down more kid friendly version of the show. I took a look at wikipedia and there was another version of the show that was a bastardized version of the original show called The New Adventures of Speed Racer (1993) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arU5EXJaMz8 In the show there were intelligent animals that controlled vehicles. Speed Racer X was a late 90's version of the show where Rex is presumed dead, so Pops creates the Mach 5 with a safety system and flight controls. They made Trixie a reporter, and Spritel her brother instead of Speed's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arU5EXJaMz8 I can't find the one that was on WB or UPN. It was the worst of all and was set in the future. I think it came out around 2005. I cannot find any info on it at all. On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: That's the show, it was horrible. I couldn't stand the animation/CGI style, the whole plot of the racing academy was dopey even for a series where race cars had saws and stuff, hated the robotic monkey--you name it. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:04:16 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The last incarnation of Speed Racer was done about 2 years ago. (I think just before or just after the movie) The storyline was that it was in the future. Speed Racer was a legend and had gotten together with Spridal to create a powerful engine that did not use gasoline. When Speed was supposed to make the announcement to the world about the engine, the heads of the oil companies tried to have him killed. Through some other events, Speed's sons were separated and both eventually end up at a racing academy years later where Speed jr. finds the designs for the engine through clues left to him by his father and he builds the Mach 6. The show was kind of an homage to the Speed Racer series and was loosely tied to the original creator of the show. There are a lot of references to the original show including footage from Speed's races and some of the bad guys that were racers back then reappear. The guy that did Speed's voice owns the rights to the show and he has been trying to build into something for many years, which is why there are so many different versions of it. The 1990s version of Speed Racer had almost nothing to do with any of the series. I think that it was supposed to be a different show but they wanted to tie it to a name. 250KPH was pretty fast back then, but there were cars that could do speeds in that neighborhood. (Including the Mach 5) This conversation started me watching the series early! On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: That's the one, truly one of the coolest car designs I've *ever* seen, as was Racer X's car. That whole series had awesome car designs. I think the speedometer on the GRX was in KPH, so it actually hit 250+ mph or something. As for a reboot, I've seen two animated redoes and both sucked. Back in the late '90s or something there was an updated Speed Racer that was godawful. Just in the last year, of course, there was that updated one where the children of Speed and others are going to some kind of racing school. It was horrible! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:21:49 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers The supercar was called the GRX! One of my favorite episodes. I think it broke the 500mph barrier or something like that. That car design is being used now in the Ferrari 599 model. It also looked similar to the Corvette Stingray 2010 model http://2010corvette.us/images/2011_corvette.jpg and a few other prototypes. I am sure that most of car designers watched the same episode at some point in their lives. :) I would love to see a retro Speed Racer reboot. (live action or cgi) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem
[scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers
My innerchild is dancing right now. It is taking a lot of concentration to type this out, but the movie is due this December! Here is some info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato Here's the advanced trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHXxWg7pw4 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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What a trip. I am a *huge* fan of the Americanized version that I saw back in junior high, and have several eps on tape. I loved the Comet Empire arc as well, especially the finale when the Starforce attacked the base. Interesting. While the two Starblazers cartoons shown on TV here had decidedly European looking characters, everyone in this movie is clearly Japanese. Maybe they should have shipped some of them over for M. Knight to cast in his flick! :) - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 4:48:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers My innerchild is dancing right now. It is taking a lot of concentration to type this out, but the movie is due this December! Here is some info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato Here's the advanced trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHXxWg7pw4 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one of my favs of all time. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 6:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers That's one of the things about anime that I find disturbing. The style in most anime movies is that the characters take on caucasian appearances. Although the character's name may be Japanese and their mannerisms, customs etc are Japanese. Unfortunately, that is how it has been since the beginning. The live action movies have been different though, sometimes having a mixed cast. For example, the later Godzilla movies. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: What a trip. I am a *huge* fan of the Americanized version that I saw back in junior high, and have several eps on tape. I loved the Comet Empire arc as well, especially the finale when the Starforce attacked the base. Interesting. While the two Starblazers cartoons shown on TV here had decidedly European looking characters, everyone in this movie is clearly Japanese. Maybe they should have shipped some of them over for M. Knight to cast in his flick! :) - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 4:48:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers My innerchild is dancing right now. It is taking a lot of concentration to type this out, but the movie is due this December! Here is some info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato Here's the advanced trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHXxWg7pw4 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one of my favs of all time. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 6:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers That's one of the things about anime that I find disturbing. The style in most anime movies is that the characters take on caucasian appearances. Although the character's name may be Japanese and their mannerisms, customs etc are Japanese. Unfortunately, that is how it has been since the beginning. The live action movies have been different though, sometimes having a mixed cast. For example, the later Godzilla movies. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: What a trip. I am a *huge* fan of the Americanized version that I saw back in junior high, and have several eps on tape. I loved the Comet Empire arc as well, especially the finale when the Starforce attacked the base. Interesting. While the two Starblazers cartoons shown on TV here had decidedly European looking characters, everyone in this movie is clearly Japanese. Maybe they should have shipped some of them over for M. Knight to cast in his flick! :) - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 4:48:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers My innerchild is dancing right now. It is taking a lot of concentration to type this out, but the movie is due this December! Here is some info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato Here's the advanced trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHXxWg7pw4 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany
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I remember that Speed Racer ep--I've seen 'em all a million times. There's the Great Race, where they race across mountains at night in the driving rain. Remember taht one? Speed had to take the Car Acrobatic Team, whose cars had wings on them that allowed them to jump across chasms and someone turn 360 spins while doing so! A whole bunch of racers died in that one. A live action Robotech? That could be really good or really horrible, depending on who does it.But then, that applies to most cartoon-to-movie translations, especially the more fantastical anime. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one of my favs of all time. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 6:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers That's one of the things about anime that I find disturbing. The style in most anime movies is that the characters take on caucasian appearances. Although the character's name may be Japanese and their mannerisms, customs etc are Japanese. Unfortunately, that is how it has been since the beginning. The live action movies have been different though, sometimes having a mixed cast. For example, the later Godzilla movies. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: What a trip. I am a *huge* fan of the Americanized version that I saw back in junior high, and have several eps on tape. I loved the Comet Empire arc as well, especially the finale when the Starforce attacked the base. Interesting. While the two Starblazers cartoons shown on TV here had decidedly European looking characters, everyone in this movie
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Speaking of wild cars--and did Speed Racer have anything else?--do you remember the ep where there was an engine so powerful and fast that it was too dangerous to drive? Pops was part of the team that built it, and it was so powerful that every test driver died in fiery crashes. So the creative team decided it was too much for man to control, and buried the engine in a graveyard like some kind of mythical creature or magical artifact! It was great: the engine was found by some unsavory types who planned to race cars with it. They'd created a spray that could give a man temporary super confidence and skill. This was the only one a mortal could the car. Problem was, once the spray wore off, the dude was not only no longer brave, but was reduced to a quivering, whimpering fearful mass. Speed ends up driving the car and is zooming through the streets at night. Drunk with its power, he starts laughing at first, then has trouble focusing. He then starts saying the car is going so fast it's taking him to another dimension--a dimension bourne of speed, then passes out. It was hilarious! I think the engine was the GRX. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 10:15:37 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers You brought up an excellent point. One of the most intense cartoon moments that I remember was watching Speed Racer and watching the brother of the woman that owned the Melange car die. (A robot driven car that had a metal face and 19th century clothes) Topped by one of the main characters (Roy Fokker) in Robotech dieing and going through the grieving process by his fiance. A totally realistic relationship and response. Captain Harlock also had many characters die in it as well. I plan on re-watching all of these soon. Did you know that there were plans for a live action Robotech movie? The last I read was that there were writing direction issues. I would love to see live action versions of all of these. (as long as it doesn't turn into the last few episodes of BSG) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, I never have understood it. Could never determine if they do that in order to appeal to worldwide (read: white ) audiences, or based on some internal self-hatred. As for the Starblazers thing, thanks to you I blew an hour on You Tube watching eps of the Comet Empire and Iscandar series. I really, really loved that show. Decades later, though the animation's not as clean as nowadays, the show holds up perfectly. Amazing time spent on the jets, things you never saw in American 'toons like the sunlight sliding down the Argo as it emerges from the ocean, or the ship dippling slightly as it transitions from water to air. Amazing! One thing about anime that captivated me from the start was the more mature stories that had real world results to the action. Even as a younger kid, I never got why no one in US-based cartoons ever died. Remember how in GI Joe, whole jets would explode, then they'd take pains to show the pilots jump to safety? Whether it was C.O.P.S, Thundercats, Bravestar, Batman, Superfriends, whatever, in American toons no one died. Not that I'm ghoulish, it just seemed unrealistic. So when I saw the likes of Speed Racer, where dudes died all the time in car crashes, it caught my interest. The same with Starblazers, where ships exploded all the time in combat, and no pilots were jettisoned to safety. And that's speaking of the Americanized, sanitized versions of both of those series. American toons were always too busy with one-note villains around which the entire series were built, or dealing with that horrid 70s-era mandate that all cartoons had to be non-violent and have a moral. Remember the And knowing is half the battle BS of 'GI Joe' or all the message-heavy shows like Shazaam and others back in the day? Even in recent years, toons like The Batman have all the cops shooting laser weapons instead of projectile ones. Why? Because the censors feel guns are too intense for youngsters. Ugh! The first American-based 'toon I can recall that had mature, complex plots, attention to the real physics of how ships would move, and realistic battles in which people paid the ultimate price, was Exo-Squad. It's one of my favs of all time. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 5, 2010 6:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers That's one of the things about anime that I find disturbing. The style in most anime movies is that the characters take on caucasian appearances. Although the character's name may be Japanese and their mannerisms, customs etc are Japanese. Unfortunately, that is how it has been since the beginning
