subject:"\[scifinoir2\] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor"

Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor

2010-09-07 Thread Martin Baxter

I'll check the video in a bit, and thanks for finding it for me.

And your last sentence again makes me wish I still wrote harder SF.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:

There are several other videos of it on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIg6pWwezEUNR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIg6pWwezEUNR=1I was thinking that
because you can control it with a magnetic field could you also increase
output by using multiple detuned engines that combine at the output?

They said in the video that it could reach speeds up to 140,000mph. Which
could make a trip to the moon and back something you could do on your lunch
break.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

So much for that. Vid's not up right now. I've bookmarked it, and will
come back to it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Martin Baxter
martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

Thanks much, Mr Worf! About to pause the work to watch it now...

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

They have shown it on a couple of shows. It was developed by a former
astronaut. Here's a video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Martin Baxter
martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

No, not yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Did you see the show where they debuted the plasma powered engine?

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Ha-ha! I was watching one of the great science shows on cable
recently. I think it was The Universe on The History Channel. They
had an
ep on deep space probes and discussed ion powered ships. The program
indicated they're getting better all the time, and that in the next ten
-
twenty years, we may be able to see a severalfold increase in the speed
of
probes using ion power.

- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2010 6:15:36 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium
nuclear reactor

Aside from the battery, I'm not seeing anything wrong with that
idea...

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Somewhere in my old house in Fort Worth is a schematic of an ion
drive I did in second grade, after watching an ep of Star Trek (had
to be
Spock's Brain), and reading about electrolytes in my encyclopedia
set. I'd
read about how cesium, when immersed in water, would produce ions in
solution, and I'd read about theories for Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD),
the
idea of using fusion power to drive plasma as a source of motion. Then
there
was that Trek ep where they said the aliens who took Spock's brain
used ion
power, which Kirk said was even beyond Federation tech. So, sure that
I'd
stumbled on a major secret, I took pen to paper. I drew a cutaway of
the
Jupiter Two from Lost in Space. Inside was a giant water tank.
Sitting next
to the tank, like a coal scuttle on a stem locomotive, was a big pile
of
cesium bricks--just sitting there. Next to them were some crazy robot
arms
with gloved hands (think of all the robot extremities as depicted in
old
cartoons). The robot hands--two of them--would take turns dumping
cesium
bricks into the water tank. Attached to the tank was a big A battery
and
wiring so that the ions in solution could be driven to one side of the
tank
by the negative pole of the battery. I then had what was for all the
world a
tailpipe sticking out the side of the ship, through which the electrons
would shoot into space.
Of course, my eight year old self was certain I'd just solved the
problem of both ion drive and FTL travel. To this day I remember how
excited
I was at what I thought I'd created!

- Original Message -
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2010 4:02:26 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium
nuclear reactor

The truly futuristic stuff is starting to appear. Once people
completely move away from the big government thinking on energy I
think the
flood gates will open with new ideas.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Martin Baxter
martinbaxt...@gmail.com wrote:

Took them long enough.

One of my college instructors had a similar thought back in the
late 70s. A shame he's passed on.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Mr. Worf
hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor

2010-09-06 Thread Martin Baxter

No, not yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:

Did you see the show where they debuted the plasma powered engine?

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:

Ha-ha! I was watching one of the great science shows on cable recently. I
think it was The Universe on The History Channel. They had an ep on deep
space probes and discussed ion powered ships. The program indicated they're
getting better all the time, and that in the next ten - twenty years, we may
be able to see a severalfold increase in the speed of probes using ion
power.

Aside from the battery, I'm not seeing anything wrong with that idea...

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:

Somewhere in my old house in Fort Worth is a schematic of an ion drive I
did in second grade, after watching an ep of Star Trek (had to be Spock's
Brain), and reading about electrolytes in my encyclopedia set. I'd read
about how cesium, when immersed in water, would produce ions in solution,
and I'd read about theories for Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), the idea of
using fusion power to drive plasma as a source of motion. Then there was
that Trek ep where they said the aliens who took Spock's brain used ion
power, which Kirk said was even beyond Federation tech. So, sure that I'd
stumbled on a major secret, I took pen to paper. I drew a cutaway of the
Jupiter Two from Lost in Space. Inside was a giant water tank. Sitting next
to the tank, like a coal scuttle on a stem locomotive, was a big pile of
cesium bricks--just sitting there. Next to them were some crazy robot arms
with gloved hands (think of all the robot extremities as depicted in old
cartoons). The robot hands--two of them--would take turns dumping cesium
bricks into the water tank. Attached to the tank was a big A battery and
wiring so that the ions in solution could be driven to one side of the tank
by the negative pole of the battery. I then had what was for all the world a
tailpipe sticking out the side of the ship, through which the electrons
would shoot into space.
Of course, my eight year old self was certain I'd just solved the problem
of both ion drive and FTL travel. To this day I remember how excited I was
at what I thought I'd created!

The truly futuristic stuff is starting to appear. Once people completely
move away from the big government thinking on energy I think the flood gates
will open with new ideas.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Martin Baxter
martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

Took them long enough.

One of my college instructors had a similar thought back in the late
70s. A shame he's passed on.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Here are details of the subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear
reactor designed by Nobel Laureate Carlo Rubbia.
http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/uk-telegraph-supports-new-thorium.htmlThis
reactor was given a supportive article by the UK Telegraph. It has been
extensively studied for over 15 years and is expected to have half the
cost
of existing light water reactors and burn up almost all of the nuclear
fuel.
The Norwegian group Aker Solutions has bought Dr Rubbia’s patent for the
thorium fuel-cycle, and is working on his design for a proton accelerator
at
its UK operation. They are raising 100 million pounds ($150 million USD)
for
the next stage of an estimated 2 billion pound ($3 billion USD) project to
develop the first commercial unit.

http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VyTCyizqrHs/THyDzmlalII/I3U/xWKRAKNWsYI/s1600/rubbiaenergyamp.gif

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Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor

2010-09-06 Thread Mr. Worf

They have shown it on a couple of shows. It was developed by a former
astronaut. Here's a video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

No, not yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:

Did you see the show where they debuted the plasma powered engine?

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:

Ha-ha! I was watching one of the great science shows on cable recently. I
think it was The Universe on The History Channel. They had an ep on deep
space probes and discussed ion powered ships. The program indicated they're
getting better all the time, and that in the next ten - twenty years, we may
be able to see a severalfold increase in the speed of probes using ion
power.

Aside from the battery, I'm not seeing anything wrong with that idea...

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Somewhere in my old house in Fort Worth is a schematic of an ion drive I
did in second grade, after watching an ep of Star Trek (had to be
Spock's
Brain), and reading about electrolytes in my encyclopedia set. I'd read
about how cesium, when immersed in water, would produce ions in solution,
and I'd read about theories for Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), the idea of
using fusion power to drive plasma as a source of motion. Then there was
that Trek ep where they said the aliens who took Spock's brain used ion
power, which Kirk said was even beyond Federation tech. So, sure that I'd
stumbled on a major secret, I took pen to paper. I drew a cutaway of the
Jupiter Two from Lost in Space. Inside was a giant water tank. Sitting
next
to the tank, like a coal scuttle on a stem locomotive, was a big pile of
cesium bricks--just sitting there. Next to them were some crazy robot arms
with gloved hands (think of all the robot extremities as depicted in old
cartoons). The robot hands--two of them--would take turns dumping cesium
bricks into the water tank. Attached to the tank was a big A battery and
wiring so that the ions in solution could be driven to one side of the tank
by the negative pole of the battery. I then had what was for all the world
a
tailpipe sticking out the side of the ship, through which the electrons
would shoot into space.
Of course, my eight year old self was certain I'd just solved the
problem of both ion drive and FTL travel. To this day I remember how
excited
I was at what I thought I'd created!

The truly futuristic stuff is starting to appear. Once people completely
move away from the big government thinking on energy I think the flood
gates
will open with new ideas.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Martin Baxter
martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

Took them long enough.

One of my college instructors had a similar thought back in the late
70s. A shame he's passed on.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Here are details of the subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear
reactor designed by Nobel Laureate Carlo Rubbia.
http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/uk-telegraph-supports-new-thorium.htmlThis
reactor was given a supportive article by the UK Telegraph. It has been
extensively studied for over 15 years and is expected to have half the
cost
of existing light water reactors and burn up almost all of the nuclear
fuel.
The Norwegian group Aker Solutions has bought Dr Rubbia’s patent for the
thorium fuel-cycle, and is working on his design for a proton
accelerator at
its UK operation. They are raising 100 million pounds ($150 million USD)
for
the next stage of an estimated 2 billion pound ($3 billion USD) project
to
develop the first commercial unit.

http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VyTCyizqrHs/THyDzmlalII/I3U/xWKRAKNWsYI/s1600/rubbiaenergyamp.gif

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Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor

2010-09-06 Thread Martin Baxter

Thanks much, Mr Worf! About to pause the work to watch it now...

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:

They have shown it on a couple of shows. It was developed by a former
astronaut. Here's a video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

No, not yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Did you see the show where they debuted the plasma powered engine?

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:

Ha-ha! I was watching one of the great science shows on cable recently.
I think it was The Universe on The History Channel. They had an ep on
deep
space probes and discussed ion powered ships. The program indicated they're
getting better all the time, and that in the next ten - twenty years, we
may
be able to see a severalfold increase in the speed of probes using ion
power.

Aside from the battery, I'm not seeing anything wrong with that idea...

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Somewhere in my old house in Fort Worth is a schematic of an ion drive
I did in second grade, after watching an ep of Star Trek (had to be
Spock's Brain), and reading about electrolytes in my encyclopedia set.
I'd
read about how cesium, when immersed in water, would produce ions in
solution, and I'd read about theories for Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), the
idea of using fusion power to drive plasma as a source of motion. Then
there
was that Trek ep where they said the aliens who took Spock's brain used
ion
power, which Kirk said was even beyond Federation tech. So, sure that I'd
stumbled on a major secret, I took pen to paper. I drew a cutaway of the
Jupiter Two from Lost in Space. Inside was a giant water tank. Sitting
next
to the tank, like a coal scuttle on a stem locomotive, was a big pile of
cesium bricks--just sitting there. Next to them were some crazy robot
arms
with gloved hands (think of all the robot extremities as depicted in old
cartoons). The robot hands--two of them--would take turns dumping cesium
bricks into the water tank. Attached to the tank was a big A battery and
wiring so that the ions in solution could be driven to one side of the
tank
by the negative pole of the battery. I then had what was for all the
world a
tailpipe sticking out the side of the ship, through which the electrons
would shoot into space.
Of course, my eight year old self was certain I'd just solved the
problem of both ion drive and FTL travel. To this day I remember how
excited
I was at what I thought I'd created!

The truly futuristic stuff is starting to appear. Once people
completely move away from the big government thinking on energy I think
the
flood gates will open with new ideas.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.com
wrote:

Took them long enough.

One of my college instructors had a similar thought back in the late
70s. A shame he's passed on.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Here are details of the subcritical accelerator driven thorium
nuclear reactor designed by Nobel Laureate Carlo Rubbia.
http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/uk-telegraph-supports-new-thorium.htmlThis
reactor was given a supportive article by the UK Telegraph. It has been
extensively studied for over 15 years and is expected to have half the
cost
of existing light water reactors and burn up almost all of the nuclear
fuel.
The Norwegian group Aker Solutions has bought Dr Rubbia’s patent for the
thorium fuel-cycle, and is working on his design for a proton
accelerator at
its UK operation. They are raising 100 million pounds ($150 million
USD) for
the next stage of an estimated 2 billion pound ($3 billion USD) project
to
develop the first commercial unit.

http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VyTCyizqrHs/THyDzmlalII/I3U/xWKRAKNWsYI/s1600/rubbiaenergyamp.gif

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Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor

2010-09-06 Thread Martin Baxter

So much for that. Vid's not up right now. I've bookmarked it, and will come
back to it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

Thanks much, Mr Worf! About to pause the work to watch it now...

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:

They have shown it on a couple of shows. It was developed by a former
astronaut. Here's a video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5a7_1255323536
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote:

No, not yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Did you see the show where they debuted the plasma powered engine?

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Ha-ha! I was watching one of the great science shows on cable recently.
I think it was The Universe on The History Channel. They had an ep on
deep
space probes and discussed ion powered ships. The program indicated
they're
getting better all the time, and that in the next ten - twenty years, we
may
be able to see a severalfold increase in the speed of probes using ion
power.

Aside from the battery, I'm not seeing anything wrong with that idea...

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Keith Johnson
keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Somewhere in my old house in Fort Worth is a schematic of an ion drive
I did in second grade, after watching an ep of Star Trek (had to be
Spock's Brain), and reading about electrolytes in my encyclopedia set.
I'd
read about how cesium, when immersed in water, would produce ions in
solution, and I'd read about theories for Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), the
idea of using fusion power to drive plasma as a source of motion. Then
there
was that Trek ep where they said the aliens who took Spock's brain used
ion
power, which Kirk said was even beyond Federation tech. So, sure that I'd
stumbled on a major secret, I took pen to paper. I drew a cutaway of the
Jupiter Two from Lost in Space. Inside was a giant water tank. Sitting
next
to the tank, like a coal scuttle on a stem locomotive, was a big pile of
cesium bricks--just sitting there. Next to them were some crazy robot
arms
with gloved hands (think of all the robot extremities as depicted in
old
cartoons). The robot hands--two of them--would take turns dumping cesium
bricks into the water tank. Attached to the tank was a big A battery and
wiring so that the ions in solution could be driven to one side of the
tank
by the negative pole of the battery. I then had what was for all the
world a
tailpipe sticking out the side of the ship, through which the electrons
would shoot into space.
Of course, my eight year old self was certain I'd just solved the
problem of both ion drive and FTL travel. To this day I remember how
excited
I was at what I thought I'd created!

The truly futuristic stuff is starting to appear. Once people
completely move away from the big government thinking on energy I think
the
flood gates will open with new ideas.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Martin Baxter
martinbaxt...@gmail.com wrote:

Took them long enough.

One of my college instructors had a similar thought back in the late
70s. A shame he's passed on.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.comwrote:

Here are details of the subcritical accelerator driven thorium
nuclear reactor designed by Nobel Laureate Carlo Rubbia.
http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/08/uk-telegraph-supports-new-thorium.htmlThis
reactor was given a supportive article by the UK Telegraph. It has been
extensively studied for over 15 years and is expected to have half the
cost
of existing light water reactors and burn up almost all of the nuclear
fuel.
The Norwegian group Aker Solutions has bought Dr Rubbia’s patent for
the
thorium fuel-cycle, and is working on his design for a proton
accelerator at
its UK operation. They are raising 100 million pounds ($150 million
USD) for
the next stage of an estimated 2 billion pound ($3 billion USD)
project to
develop the first commercial unit.

http://www.feedblitz.com/t2.asp?/64651/17726256/0/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VyTCyizqrHs/THyDzmlalII/I3U/xWKRAKNWsYI/s1600/rubbiaenergyamp.gif

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Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear reactor

2010-09-06 Thread Mr. Worf

There are several other videos of it on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIg6pWwezEUNR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIg6pWwezEUNR=1I was thinking that because
you can control it with a magnetic field could you also increase output by
using multiple detuned engines that combine at the output?