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Yeah, whoa...! And like many white people back then, she didn't really get it, but she complied with my dad's wishes. Sometimes all you can ask from people is compliance, and understanding will have to come later. THIS should be saved in the archives next to King's I have a dream speech. Your parents are wonderful, and God bless them for making the effort and taking the time to deal with these issues so you wouldn't be scarred for life by having to deal with them first-hand as a young person. Too many of today's parents don't have the finesse to deal with confronting ugly issues and knowing when to let something go to be absorbed later. Hence, culturally different teachers are intimidated, children suffer and don't learn, and classes are tense... in a lot of instances. Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:28 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons Whoa... (flabbergasted) KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: i say this all the time, but you really have so many stories to tell, they ought to be written down somewhere. that's amazing history. I'm 43, and was one of the first generations back in Fort Worth who started school in an integrated environment (both my older brothers started in black only schools, then were moved to integrated schools when desegregation hit Texas). But I was still in the minority in many cases. Looking at my first grade class picture, I seem to recall perhaps 5 blacks and two or three Mexicans in a class of 20 or so. That's actually better than many of y'all probably had, I admit, but there is still the issue of who's *running* things, which was mostly white folks. And even the well intentioned ones needed to be educated. My first grade teacher (who was white) loved me, loved and respected my older brothers, who she taught, greatly respected my family. But one day she decided to reward to everyone in the class who made a A on a test. So, each kid got a cool assignment: one girl got to pass out papers, another got to take up papers, one boy got to go buy drinks for the class, and another got the most coveted job of all, which was cleaning the erasers out back. (Everyone loved that 'cause it meant banging the erasers against something and watching the chalk dust fly!). That night, i went home and told my mom about it. Momma, I said, I made an 'A' on my test and i got a reward! I then first proceeded to tell my mom what the other kids got, and then she said And what did you get? Proudly, I proclaimed, I got to pick up all the trash off the floor! What?! I remember my mom snapping. I got to stay after class and pick up all the trash, i repeated, oblivious. I picked up all the paper and put it in the garbage can. Well, thirty-plus years later, I still remember my vague confusion at Mamma seeming to be displeased. I didn't get why she didn't gush over my accomplishment. Later, I found out she told my dad when he got home from work what happened and the very next day, getting home from his third shift job, Dad got dressed, put on the old man hat and shiny shoes, and went to have a talk with my teacher. When he confronted her, she was completey clueless, but Dad schooled her. He spoke of how he and Mom had spent too many years working to give us boys a better life to have me treated like a janitor. He asked why I was the one relegated to trash detail. Well all the kids got some kind of reward, my teacher sputtered, and that's the one i chose for him. If that's your idea of a reward, you can keep it! Dad replied. Why don't you just go back to putting gold stars on their papers like they did when i was a child? Well, she was flustered but in time she got it. And like many white people back then, she didn't really get it, but she complied with my dad's wishes. Sometimes all you can ask from people is compliance, and understanding will have to come later. But I'm pretty sure it all sank in later, because i never picked up trash again as a reward. Neither did any other kid in my class, black, white, or Mexican. The kicker? I never knew about this whole incident until i was well into my '20s. My folks didn't want to sour me on my teacher, didn't want to burden me with the whole thing. But thanks to them, the next time I got an A my reward? A cup of sweet-as-honey grape juice! As an adult, i later found out there were many such instances throughout my school life. Many times when my parents called or visited teachers or principals making sure I wasn't being ignored, mistreated, or treated differently because of my color. I believe there were other
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I second the motion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: memoir, memoir, memoir! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] No foolin'! My mom told me about it a few years back. I didn't remember the painting. I remembered fighting a lot. I verified with my dad independently. He said I almost killed us. Remember, back then all paint was oil-based... So it took a trip to the hospital, then lots of paint thinner and turpentine to return us to our healthier Black state! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons no foolin'?! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com Hey... You left the room. I painted me and my sister white. Just different reactions to traumatic events... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney
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directed to put my butt in... I'm 60 now. Those memories are just a day old. I treat everybody well because I'm a good person. But do NOT f**k with me racially, or you get to see my other side. I used to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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racially, or you get to see my other side. I used to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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? And their grandchildren? And remember the 'Hokey Pokey'? You put your right foot in you take your right foot out. That's what it's all about Well...I was always directed to put my butt in... I'm 60 now. Those memories are just a day old. I treat everybody well because I'm a good person. But do NOT f**k with me racially, or you get to see my other side. I used to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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, it was the parents who put their children up to that. I wonder what my classmates taught their children? And their grandchildren? And remember the 'Hokey Pokey'? You put your right foot in you take your right foot out. That's what it's all about Well...I was always directed to put my butt in... I'm 60 now. Those memories are just a day old. I treat everybody well because I'm a good person. But do NOT f**k with me racially, or you get to see my other side. I used to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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to the school. I don't know what happened. I just know that there were no more poems after that. Of course, it was the parents who put their children up to that. I wonder what my classmates taught their children? And their grandchildren? And remember the 'Hokey Pokey'? You put your right foot in you take your right foot out. That's what it's all about Well...I was always directed to put my butt in... I'm 60 now. Those memories are just a day old. I treat everybody well because I'm a good person. But do NOT f**k with me racially, or you get to see my other side. I used to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Ill only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really dont want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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memoir, memoir, memoir! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] No foolin'! My mom told me about it a few years back. I didn't remember the painting. I remembered fighting a lot. I verified with my dad independently. He said I almost killed us. Remember, back then all paint was oil-based... So it took a trip to the hospital, then lots of paint thinner and turpentine to return us to our healthier Black state! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons no foolin'?! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com Hey... You left the room. I painted me and my sister white. Just different reactions to traumatic events... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like
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to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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No foolin'! My mom told me about it a few years back. I didn't remember the painting. I remembered fighting a lot. I verified with my dad independently. He said I almost killed us. Remember, back then all paint was oil-based... So it took a trip to the hospital, then lots of paint thinner and turpentine to return us to our healthier Black state! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 3:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons no foolin'?! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings mcjennings124@ mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com yahoo.com Hey... You left the room. I painted me and my sister white. Just different reactions to traumatic events... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com mesavers.com http://www.legacyho http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ mesavers.com/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken
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Well-said, Keith! I remember being the only Black child in my first grade class. One of two in the whole school (sister in kindergarten). And we had to read Black Sambo! I remember feeling confused, and I'm sure that I tied the story to the poetry my little classmates had me take home to my mom. Pee-u, you stink, like a NR in a sink, Pee-u, you smell, like a NR in a well. My mom went to the school. I don't know what happened. I just know that there were no more poems after that. Of course, it was the parents who put their children up to that. I wonder what my classmates taught their children? And their grandchildren? And remember the 'Hokey Pokey'? You put your right foot in you take your right foot out. That's what it's all about Well...I was always directed to put my butt in... I'm 60 now. Those memories are just a day old. I treat everybody well because I'm a good person. But do NOT f**k with me racially, or you get to see my other side. I used to be afraid of what I might do, so I didn't do a lot. I'm not afraid now. (snide, cruel chuckle...) When I was a police sergeant, most of my officers never saw me angry. They had no need to. But the two who chose to test me...THEY know! And there is still one woman who, after 20 years, is scared to death that I might try to help her. See, we were in a booking area, and she was giving 3 of my officers a 'ration of s**t', refusing to enter a cell. I just walked up to her, took her by the upper arm, and asked her to enter the cell. She almost RAN into the cell. I never raised my voice, I said 'Could you please just do what they asked?' And all the while I was squeezing her arm enough that I could have easily twisted and broken it. All with a smile. Isn't life good? :o) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com com I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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G, I'm thinking that's because of the prevalence of hip-hop music. We see kids of all races and creeds bopping along to it at concerts, side by side, and we just think that everything's hunky-dory between the races because of it, when it's anything but. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/4/07 11:45:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? I don't know but it's the sign of the times. Something simular is happening on the video game side in the form of the preview of the upcomming Resident Evil 4 video game. A lot of vidio game 'fans' are up in arms at those who see something wrong with a white guy mowing down scores of black zombies in a african village and not call it racist. Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to think we've gone a few step backwards in race relations in the past seven years. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Again, bravo, Keith! Right on point! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:11 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons we have gone backwards. People get complacent; more importantly, they get tired of thinking about issues, and so they let stuff creep back in. If i had a nickel for every person--blacks, as well as whites in many cases--who tells me get over it. that was in the past. don't try to see racism in every little thing. Also, we have to remember that in areas of mass entertainment like the video game world, you have a lot of focus on young white males who just want to have fun and escape reality. And in wanting to get wild in those virtual worlds, they sometimes seem to act like prisoners escaped from a jail who want to make up for all the restrictions on their lives. The jail, I guess are certain societal mores against senseless violence, abuse of women, racial sensitivity, etc. I think Martin and Astro among others, have more than once commented on how young white males can be so full of sexist, violent, and racist talk on message boards dealing with everything from anime to comi cs to scifi. They really seem to revel in releasing their baser sides, and i think games like that help them do it. That's one reason I believe in collecting and preserving the very racist material that we're discussing. We have to remember that it was--and still--exists, that it holds sway over people. How else can we hope to fight it? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:GWashin891%40aol.com com In a message dated 12/4/07 11:45:32 PM, KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net writes: agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? I don't know but it's the sign of the times. Something simular is happening on the video game side in the form of the preview of the upcomming Resident Evil 4 video game. A lot of vidio game 'fans' are up in arms at those who see something wrong with a white guy mowing down scores of black zombies in a african village and not call it racist. Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to think we've gone a few step backwards in race relations in the past seven years. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money. http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hey... You left the room. I painted me and my sister white. Just different reactions to traumatic events... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:11 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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no shame at all. you were definitely ahead of the curve as a kid. I suppose the black child on Little Rascals didn't do it for you either? I'm not advocating watching this stuff every day either; i just don't want it to completely pass from our collective memories... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 12/5/07 1:06:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G, I'm thinking that's because of the prevalence of hip-hop music. We see kids of all races and creeds bopping along to it at concerts, side by side, and we just think that everything's hunky-dory between the races because of it, when it's anything but. That and also Rock and Roll is also finially starting to show some diversity. Yet toons and games (and in many cases Sci-Fi itself) seem to be the last holdouts of this anti-PC BS now. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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LMNAO!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no foolin'?! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey... You left the room. I painted me and my sister white. Just different reactions to traumatic events... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:11 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Nope. Still feel horribly guilty over it. Making it all the worse in my case- it took making the acquaintance of a White woman to make me begin examining racial issues in depth. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no shame at all. you were definitely ahead of the curve as a kid. I suppose the black child on Little Rascals didn't do it for you either? I'm not advocating watching this stuff every day either; i just don't want it to completely pass from our collective memories... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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we have gone backwards. People get complacent; more importantly, they get tired of thinking about issues, and so they let stuff creep back in. If i had a nickel for every person--blacks, as well as whites in many cases--who tells me get over it. that was in the past. don't try to see racism in every little thing. Also, we have to remember that in areas of mass entertainment like the video game world, you have a lot of focus on young white males who just want to have fun and escape reality. And in wanting to get wild in those virtual worlds, they sometimes seem to act like prisoners escaped from a jail who want to make up for all the restrictions on their lives. The jail, I guess are certain societal mores against senseless violence, abuse of women, racial sensitivity, etc. I think Martin and Astro among others, have more than once commented on how young white males can be so full of sexist, violent, and racist talk on message boards dealing with everything from anime to comi cs to scifi. They really seem to revel in releasing their baser sides, and i think games like that help them do it. That's one reason I believe in collecting and preserving the very racist material that we're discussing. We have to remember that it was--and still--exists, that it holds sway over people. How else can we hope to fight it? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/4/07 11:45:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? I don't know but it's the sign of the times. Something simular is happening on the video game side in the form of the preview of the upcomming Resident Evil 4 video game. A lot of vidio game 'fans' are up in arms at those who see something wrong with a white guy mowing down scores of black zombies in a african village and not call it racist. Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to think we've gone a few step backwards in race relations in the past seven years. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This has always been my take on race perception. Whites are inordinately blessed by Deity. By this, I mean that there is no single word, phrase or image that can drive a Caucasian person to the heights/depths of rage, relieving one of all rational thought and reducing them to pure base instinct. I can' call a Jew a k*ke, a Black man a n*gger, a Hispanbic man a sp*c, and watch the fireworks go off behind their eyelids. The worst thing you can call a White man? Honky? Cracker? Odds are, they'll laugh at you. The Stars and Bars, to me, was nothing more than a historical footnote regarding a fallen way of life, until the night I saw one burning on a friend's lawn, after he'd committed the unpardonable sin of accepting a dance with a White ladyfriend of his after he scored the winning touchdown to get our HS into the State championship. Martin (relinquishing soapbox) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/4/07 11:45:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? I don't know but it's the sign of the times. Something simular is happening on the video game side in the form of the preview of the upcomming Resident Evil 4 video game. A lot of vidio game 'fans' are up in arms at those who see something wrong with a white guy mowing down scores of black zombies in a african village and not call it racist. Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to think we've gone a few step backwards in race relations in the past seven years. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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no foolin'?! -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey... You left the room. I painted me and my sister white. Just different reactions to traumatic events... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:11 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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hey, at least you reached a point where you began examining. i know far too many adults who still don't want to even think of any of this stuff... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope. Still feel horribly guilty over it. Making it all the worse in my case- it took making the acquaintance of a White woman to make me begin examining racial issues in depth. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no shame at all. you were definitely ahead of the curve as a kid. I suppose the black child on Little Rascals didn't do it for you either? I'm not advocating watching this stuff every day either; i just don't want it to completely pass from our collective memories... -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to toss in my mea culpa here, because I'm the first guy to try and forget that any of this ever came down the pike. Even when I was a kifd watching these, I wouold ge tup and leave the room so as not to have to face this. Shame on me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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A, memories... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:51 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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and many--most--of these cartoons are pretty *good*... -- Original message -- From: Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] A, memories... Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:51 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Site Details Most Racist Disney 'Toons Amazing, but not surprising. I've seen all these. We've had this conversation before about other 'toons. When you're my age (over 40), your childhood memories are full of racist cartoons. Off the top of my head:. Remember the cartoon about Little Sambo, an African child with coal black skin and big lips, a bone in his hair, who spends every episode trying to catch the slow moving, arrogant bird? I grew up watching that 'toon all the time as part of the Merrie Melodies shown in Fort Worth. How about all the Looney Tunes where characters would have dynamite or something blow up in their face, to be transformed into blackface characters? Often they'd then speak in a gruff voice like Rochester from the Jack Benny show: My oh my! Tattletale gray! one exclaimed. Then there's the famous Bugs Bunny ep when Bugs goes down South looking for food and is accosted by Civil War vet Yosemite Sam. At one point Bugs disguises himself as a slow-moving, slow-talking slave. Sam says, Hmm, one of our boys. Hey boy! Play a song, to which Bugs drawls Yowsah and starts singing Yankee Doodle Dandy. When Sam is outraged, Bugs places a whip in his hand, then grovels on the ground begging, Don't whoop me Master! And lets not forget the big black mammy character from the old Tom and Jerry cartoons? You never saw her face, only her big legs, underwear hanging down from under her dress, big black arms, all topped off with a voice performance straight from Gone With the Wind. Watch Turner Classic Movies during Christmas season. they do a block of really old (1920's and '30s) cartoons, many of which have Sambo characters. The host always has to warn people that the images may be offensive. As offensive as the above is, I still don't want to forget. I get editing these films for modern audiences to buy for their kids, but I'd like to own all of them in their original, unedited form. In fact, I make a point of seeking out such fare to collect. I've had several black people tell me I'm crazy for wanting to collect racist postures, figurines, and media products, but I never want to forget where we've come from, what we've had to overcome. It's the type of stuff I'd show my children some day, as a type of history lesson, so they--and I--always remember the struggles we've had, and never be fooled into thinking those days couldn't come again. Even my wife doesn't get this one,but the last thing I want is for black people in future generations to be lulled into some kind of false memory of how times used to be. * http://www.cracked. http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-characters.html These old Disney movies are a little bit like your aging Uncle Frank. Honestly, he means well when he points out that Will Smith is well-spoken. It's just that he, like the assemblage of clips below, dates from a time when people were unfairly characterized by their ethnic background (the acceptable methods are, of course, religion, geography, sexual preference and income)... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm more shocked, though not surprised about all of the comments defending Disney, especially on the obvious ones. But hey that's our world today. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 12/4/07 11:45:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: agreed. well, frankly, many white people still don't get it. They see these are harmless things, or don't see any racism at all (like the light-skinned Arab in the posts who's offended that someone criticizes the Caucasian Aladdin). Or, if they do finally see the racism, they have that it was in the past. let it go attitude. And there's there's the black person who wrote the long post saying the images aren't damaging to young black kids as long as we don't *tell* the kids that the images are racist. WTF is that about??? I don't know but it's the sign of the times. Something simular is happening on the video game side in the form of the preview of the upcomming Resident Evil 4 video game. A lot of vidio game 'fans' are up in arms at those who see something wrong with a white guy mowing down scores of black zombies in a african village and not call it racist. Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to think we've gone a few step backwards in race relations in the past seven years. -GTW ** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
