RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-21 Thread Martin Baxter 

Do I WANT to know how far?

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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  Wow. He always seemed pretty level headed. Sadly Simmons has gone far 
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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

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> Pardon me. Tired, didn't clarify. He was asking why Democrats see anything 
> wrong with the Wasilla Wingnut.

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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: daikaij...@...

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-20 Thread Martin Baxter 

Pardon me. Tired, didn't clarify. He was asking why Democrats see anything 
wrong with the Wasilla Wingnut.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:09:50 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
Decade


















 



  



  
  
  Has Wilson joined the ranks of wingnuttery? Damn shame because I love his 
Repairman Jack series.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

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> B, I'm feeling the same way toward F. Paul Wilson as you are toward Simmons.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: daikaij...@...

> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:43:40 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
> Decade

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> me. I think I'd do better with an audiobook version because I like the story.

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> 

> William Gibson's Spook Country. I made it through Pattern Recognition but 
> Spook Country didn't hook me. I liked Walter Jon Williams work in the same 
> vein much more. This Is Not A Game was one of favorite books from last year.

> 

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> Dan Simmons' The Terror and Drood were interesting but I couldn't finish 
> either. Plus his political screeds post 9/11 really changed the way I viewed 
> him as a person and some of that affected my enjoyment of his work.

> 

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> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

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> > There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read multiple

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> > times but just haven't managed to finish?

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> > For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9

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> > > I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the

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> > > library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first

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> > > introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was

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> > > Gibson and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the 
> > > genre,

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> > > it nearly ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever

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> > > touched in my life. (And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right

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> > > below "War and Peace".) Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning

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> > > it and having yet to get more than 40 pages into it), but I've since 
> > > learned

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> > > that I'm far from alone there.

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> > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-20 Thread Martin Baxter 

Oh, yes. He wrote an op-ed piece somewhere, asking, basically, what was wrong 
with Sarah Palin. I was reading a Repairman Jack at the time I learned of that. 
Stopped reading it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:09:50 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
Decade


















 



  



  
  
  Has Wilson joined the ranks of wingnuttery? Damn shame because I love his 
Repairman Jack series.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> B, I'm feeling the same way toward F. Paul Wilson as you are toward Simmons.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: daikaij...@...

> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:43:40 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
> Decade

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>   Snow Crash. Stephenson's writing is great but it never really engages 
> me. I think I'd do better with an audiobook version because I like the story.

> 

> 

> 

> William Gibson's Spook Country. I made it through Pattern Recognition but 
> Spook Country didn't hook me. I liked Walter Jon Williams work in the same 
> vein much more. This Is Not A Game was one of favorite books from last year.

> 

> 

> 

> Dan Simmons' The Terror and Drood were interesting but I couldn't finish 
> either. Plus his political screeds post 9/11 really changed the way I viewed 
> him as a person and some of that affected my enjoyment of his work.

> 

> 

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

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> >

> 

> > There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read multiple

> 

> > times but just haven't managed to finish?

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> > 

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> > For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9

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> > times.

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> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Baxter

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> > > I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the

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> > > library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first

> 

> > > introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was

> 

> > > Gibson and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the 
> > > genre,

> 

> > > it nearly ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever

> 

> > > touched in my life. (And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right

> 

> > > below "War and Peace".) Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning

> 

> > > it and having yet to get more than 40 pages into it), but I've since 
> > > learned

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> > > that I'm far from alone there.

> 

> > >

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> > > --

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> > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > > now.

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> > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter 

Hands down, it's the tome I named in the last. Every so often, I give my copy 
away after trying to read it two or three times. Then I'll pick up another 
somewhere. I've bought it six times, if memory serves.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:27:30 -0800
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  There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read 
multiple times but just haven't managed to finish? 

For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9 times.





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I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the 
library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first 
introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was Gibson 
and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the genre, it nearly 
ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever touched in my life. 
(And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right below "War and Peace".) 
Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning it and having yet to get 
more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned that I'm far from alone 
there.

  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter 

B, I'm feeling the same way toward F. Paul Wilson as you are toward Simmons.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:43:40 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
Decade


















 



  



  
  
  Snow Crash. Stephenson's writing is great but it never really engages me. 
I think I'd do better with an audiobook version because I like the story.



William Gibson's Spook Country. I made it through Pattern Recognition but Spook 
Country didn't hook me. I liked Walter Jon Williams work in the same vein much 
more. This Is Not A Game was one of favorite books from last year.



Dan Simmons' The Terror and Drood were interesting but I couldn't finish 
either. Plus his political screeds post 9/11 really changed the way I viewed 
him as a person and some of that affected my enjoyment of his work.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read multiple

> times but just haven't managed to finish?

> 

> For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9

> times.

> 

> 

> 

> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Baxter

> wrote:

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> >

> >

> > I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the

> > library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first

> > introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was

> > Gibson and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the genre,

> > it nearly ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever

> > touched in my life. (And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right

> > below "War and Peace".) Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning

> > it and having yet to get more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned

> > that I'm far from alone there.

> >

> > --

> > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up 
> > now.

> >

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> -- 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter 

Keith, another sob story in my long life -- I had all of the eps of "Jules 
Verne" on my mother's computer (obtained through means best not discussed) and, 
when I got my computer, I deleted my profile on her PC, remembered those eps 
(and two anime movies, including "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie) as soon as the 
deletion completed itself. I was numb for three days. Once she bought a new PC, 
I took out the hard drive of the old one, still hoping that I can find someone 
to restore them.
  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-19 Thread Martin Baxter 

Keith, it is a tough read. I read it when I was new to the genre, and literally 
couldn't get enough of it. I grew up in Danville, Virginia (through no fault of 
my own -- my parents divorced and that was where my mother was from), and the 
public library there only had about two hundred SF/fantasy books on the 
shelves. I think I read all of them at least ten times each, starting in the As 
and going right down the line.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:50:22 +
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The Helliconia book for me: Helliconia Spring, I think. Tried three times, 
can't get past the first chapter. 

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From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:27:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past  
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  There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read 
multiple times but just haven't managed to finish? 

For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9 times.





On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the 
library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first 
introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was Gibson 
and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the genre, it nearly 
ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever touched in my life. 
(And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right below "War and Peace".) 
Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning it and having yet to get 
more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned that I'm far from alone 
there.

  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-18 Thread Keith Johnson 
yeah, that was the time of Odyssey 5, Total Recall 2070, Jake 2.0, and a host 
of other good ones. Don't get me started, or we'll having another one of those 
posts listing all the shows too soon canceled, from G vs. E. all the way back 
to the non scifi but famous "Frank's Place". 
Tracey and I are especially bad about listing a bazillion shows and crying in 
our coffee about their cancellations. :( 
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From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:55:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
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I agree. There has been some cool shows on showtime (Odyssey 5 for example.) 
There were some other shows such as anime and a scifi detective series set on 
Mars. 


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Remember the short lived TV series "The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne" from 
2000? That was a pretty cool show from back when SciFi, Showtime and others 
were always giving us cool new scifi. Steampunk personified... 




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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:41:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
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I feel the same way you do. I like the concepts but most of the stuff I've read 
never grabs me. I really tried to get into Cherie Priest's Boneshaker but 
something about it didn't click for me. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
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> I have yet to get into Steampunk stories, but I am really enjoying the 
> general concept of it and the clothing. I love the idea of an alternate 
> reality using such devices. Can you imagine how different the world would be 
> if we had such things as mechanical televisions? 
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> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Martin Baxter 
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> > Steampunk is edging up into the realm of deriving stories from true Steam 
> > settings (i.e. a future derived from an initial Steam realm), and I 
> > couldn't 
> > be happier, because I've been trying my hand at it, unsuccessfully to date 
> > because I'm surprisingly having trouble working within the strict 
> > constraints of Victorian society (would've thought that a Liberal Prude 
> > such 
> > as myself would slip right in). This way, my social vision can more fully 
> > take root (women in stronger roles/positions, true racial equality, et 
> > cetera). 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: tdli...@... 
> > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:21:47 -0800 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
> > Decade 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ann and Jeff VanderMeer are almost done reading the submissions for their 
> > second steampunk anthology, which will focus much more on stories from the 
> > past decade as opposed to classic tales. And they're noticing some big 
> > changes in the make-up of steampunk lit. Writes Jeff VanderMeer: 
> > The biggest change is that a subgenre in which very few women wrote now 
> > features a plethora of women-as Ann and I had suspected, and stated in 
> > various interviews at the time-and thus many more female contributors to 
> > this second volume. The greater variety of setting and situation, though, 
> > is 
> > pretty even across gender. This anthology is also situated at the cusp of 
> > much more robust participation in this subgenre internationally and 
> > multi-culturally... Indeed, Steampunk Version 2.0 seems to have reached its 
> > peakâ€"without that infusion of new perspectives, it's likely to eat itself 
> > rather rapidly. 
> > [Ecstatic Days< 
> > http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2010/02/16/steampunk-reading-almost-done/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ecstaticdays+%28Ecstatic+Days%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
> >  > 
> > ] 
> > 
> > Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at 
> > charliej...@... > http://io9.com/5473434/how-steampunk-literature-has-changed-in-the-past-decade
> >  >. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [image:

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-18 Thread Mr. Worf 
I agree. There has been some cool shows on showtime (Odyssey 5 for example.)
There were some other shows such as anime and a scifi detective series set
on Mars.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Remember the short lived TV series "The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne"
> from 2000? That was a pretty cool show from back when SciFi, Showtime and
> others were always giving us cool new scifi. Steampunk personified...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "B Smith" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:41:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past
> Decade
>
>
>
> I feel the same way you do. I like the concepts but most of the stuff I've
> read never grabs me. I really tried to get into Cherie Priest's Boneshaker
> but something about it didn't click for me.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr.
> Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > I have yet to get into Steampunk stories, but I am really enjoying the
> > general concept of it and the clothing. I love the idea of an alternate
> > reality using such devices. Can you imagine how different the world would
> be
> > if we had such things as mechanical televisions?
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Martin Baxter
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steampunk is edging up into the realm of deriving stories from true
> Steam
> > > settings (i.e. a future derived from an initial Steam realm), and I
> couldn't
> > > be happier, because I've been trying my hand at it, unsuccessfully to
> date
> > > because I'm surprisingly having trouble working within the strict
> > > constraints of Victorian society (would've thought that a Liberal Prude
> such
> > > as myself would slip right in). This way, my social vision can more
> fully
> > > take root (women in stronger roles/positions, true racial equality, et
> > > cetera).
> > >
> > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > From: tdli...@...
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:21:47 -0800
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past
> > > Decade
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ann and Jeff VanderMeer are almost done reading the submissions for
> their
> > > second steampunk anthology, which will focus much more on stories from
> the
> > > past decade as opposed to classic tales. And they're noticing some big
> > > changes in the make-up of steampunk lit. Writes Jeff VanderMeer:
> > > The biggest change is that a subgenre in which very few women wrote now
> > > features a plethora of women-as Ann and I had suspected, and stated in
> > > various interviews at the time-and thus many more female contributors
> to
> > > this second volume. The greater variety of setting and situation,
> though, is
> > > pretty even across gender. This anthology is also situated at the cusp
> of
> > > much more robust participation in this subgenre internationally and
> > > multi-culturally... Indeed, Steampunk Version 2.0 seems to have reached
> its
> > > peakâ€"without that infusion of new perspectives, it's likely to eat
> itself
> > > rather rapidly.
> > > [Ecstatic Days<
> http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2010/02/16/steampunk-reading-almost-done/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ecstaticdays+%28Ecstatic+Days%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
> >
> > > ]
> > >
> > > Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at
> > > charliej...@... http://io9.com/5473434/how-steampunk-literature-has-changed-in-the-past-decade
> >.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-18 Thread Keith Johnson 
The Helliconia book for me: Helliconia Spring, I think. Tried three times, 
can't get past the first chapter. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:27:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
Decade 






There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read multiple 
times but just haven't managed to finish? 

For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9 times. 




On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the 
library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first 
introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was Gibson 
and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the genre, it nearly 
ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever touched in my life. 
(And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right below "War and Peace".) 
Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning it and having yet to get 
more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned that I'm far from alone 
there. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-18 Thread Keith Johnson 
Remember the short lived TV series "The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne" from 
2000? That was a pretty cool show from back when SciFi, Showtime and others 
were always giving us cool new scifi. Steampunk personified... 

- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:41:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
Decade 






I feel the same way you do. I like the concepts but most of the stuff I've read 
never grabs me. I really tried to get into Cherie Priest's Boneshaker but 
something about it didn't click for me. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf"  wrote: 
> 
> I have yet to get into Steampunk stories, but I am really enjoying the 
> general concept of it and the clothing. I love the idea of an alternate 
> reality using such devices. Can you imagine how different the world would be 
> if we had such things as mechanical televisions? 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Steampunk is edging up into the realm of deriving stories from true Steam 
> > settings (i.e. a future derived from an initial Steam realm), and I 
> > couldn't 
> > be happier, because I've been trying my hand at it, unsuccessfully to date 
> > because I'm surprisingly having trouble working within the strict 
> > constraints of Victorian society (would've thought that a Liberal Prude 
> > such 
> > as myself would slip right in). This way, my social vision can more fully 
> > take root (women in stronger roles/positions, true racial equality, et 
> > cetera). 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: tdli...@... 
> > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:21:47 -0800 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past 
> > Decade 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ann and Jeff VanderMeer are almost done reading the submissions for their 
> > second steampunk anthology, which will focus much more on stories from the 
> > past decade as opposed to classic tales. And they're noticing some big 
> > changes in the make-up of steampunk lit. Writes Jeff VanderMeer: 
> > The biggest change is that a subgenre in which very few women wrote now 
> > features a plethora of women-as Ann and I had suspected, and stated in 
> > various interviews at the time-and thus many more female contributors to 
> > this second volume. The greater variety of setting and situation, though, 
> > is 
> > pretty even across gender. This anthology is also situated at the cusp of 
> > much more robust participation in this subgenre internationally and 
> > multi-culturally... Indeed, Steampunk Version 2.0 seems to have reached its 
> > peakâ€"without that infusion of new perspectives, it's likely to eat itself 
> > rather rapidly. 
> > [Ecstatic Days< 
> > http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2010/02/16/steampunk-reading-almost-done/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ecstaticdays+%28Ecstatic+Days%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
> >  > 
> > ] 
> > 
> > Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at 
> > charliej...@... > http://io9.com/5473434/how-steampunk-literature-has-changed-in-the-past-decade
> >  >. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-18 Thread Mr. Worf 
There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read multiple
times but just haven't managed to finish?

For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9
times.



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the
> library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first
> introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was
> Gibson and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the genre,
> it nearly ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever
> touched in my life. (And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right
> below "War and Peace".) Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning
> it and having yet to get more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned
> that I'm far from alone there.
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade

2010-02-18 Thread Martin Baxter 

I'm still waiting for "Boneshaker" to free itself from Queue Heck at the 
library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first 
introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was Gibson 
and Sterling's "The Difference Engine". And, like many in the genre, it nearly 
ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever touched in my life. 
(And Joyce's "Ulysses" ranks #5 on that list, right below "War and Peace".) 
Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning it and having yet to get 
more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned that I'm far from alone 
there.
  
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