Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
(I was looking at it again today. It really gets me what an effect this very flawed story has on me--I think it is the ultimate fanboy superhero book--better than "Return of the Dark Knight" by a longshot--I hesitate to call it a graphic novel since it was a miniseries (I remember when it first came out. I was turned off by the stiff artwork and odd narrative--until #4--that episode, "Watchmaker, watchmaker" I consider one of the best pieces of short fiction ever--I mean ever. Alan Moore has not even come close to it--but it would be a tough act to follow. --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote: > > In reading "Watchmen," I am most struck by the God, Man and Superman subtext > of all the "Who is killing the Masks" drama. Moore posits the notion that > there is no God and in the absense of God man must create one while > simultaneously arguing that IF there is a God He would be as detached and > removed from day-to-day human interaction as Dr. Manhattan. > > ~rave! > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hayden" wrote: > > > > (I am re reading it, too, after seeing "The Tales of The Black Freighter" > > and re-viewing the film again. > > > > Funny how the film and dvd kept hitting those lines and scenes from the > > book and I would key on the image from the book, Dave Simmons work and the > > movie absolutely hit that scene--the director even portrayed some better. > > > > That is the ultimate fanboy superhero experience--again, it will be sort of > > like a cult film-- > > > > While I was watching the film again I watched with two minds--fanboy mind > > in which the comic is imprinted on my brain--and unattached objective mind, > > which was wondering what the hell all this was about. > > > > Totally useless to anybody who is not a diehard historian of the genre--I > > know the hope. That "Watchmen" will infect the world. > > > > It was not to be. > > > > The rest of the world wants Super-heroes. > > > > Not Masks. Or Watchmen. > > > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote: > > > > > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" > > > wrote: > > > > > > What are you reading?>> > > > > > > > > > I am reading Alan Moore's graphic novel "Watchmen" (and enjoying the hell > > > out of it) and the "Octavian Nothing" duology (I adore the language). > > > Although the two Octavian Nothing books take place in pre revolutionary > > > America, they are about a preternaturally gifted young black slave > > > plopped into a strange new world and his first person account of trying > > > to rationally navigate that maddingly contradictory world. > > > > > > ~rave! > > > > > > http://theworldebon.blogspot.com > > > > > >
Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
In reading "Watchmen," I am most struck by the God, Man and Superman subtext of all the "Who is killing the Masks" drama. Moore posits the notion that there is no God and in the absense of God man must create one while simultaneously arguing that IF there is a God He would be as detached and removed from day-to-day human interaction as Dr. Manhattan. ~rave! --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hayden" wrote: > > (I am re reading it, too, after seeing "The Tales of The Black Freighter" and > re-viewing the film again. > > Funny how the film and dvd kept hitting those lines and scenes from the book > and I would key on the image from the book, Dave Simmons work and the movie > absolutely hit that scene--the director even portrayed some better. > > That is the ultimate fanboy superhero experience--again, it will be sort of > like a cult film-- > > While I was watching the film again I watched with two minds--fanboy mind in > which the comic is imprinted on my brain--and unattached objective mind, > which was wondering what the hell all this was about. > > Totally useless to anybody who is not a diehard historian of the genre--I > know the hope. That "Watchmen" will infect the world. > > It was not to be. > > The rest of the world wants Super-heroes. > > Not Masks. Or Watchmen. > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote: > > > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > > > What are you reading?>> > > > > > > I am reading Alan Moore's graphic novel "Watchmen" (and enjoying the hell > > out of it) and the "Octavian Nothing" duology (I adore the language). > > Although the two Octavian Nothing books take place in pre revolutionary > > America, they are about a preternaturally gifted young black slave plopped > > into a strange new world and his first person account of trying to > > rationally navigate that maddingly contradictory world. > > > > ~rave! > > > > http://theworldebon.blogspot.com > > >
Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
(I am re reading it, too, after seeing "The Tales of The Black Freighter" and re-viewing the film again. Funny how the film and dvd kept hitting those lines and scenes from the book and I would key on the image from the book, Dave Simmons work and the movie absolutely hit that scene--the director even portrayed some better. That is the ultimate fanboy superhero experience--again, it will be sort of like a cult film-- While I was watching the film again I watched with two minds--fanboy mind in which the comic is imprinted on my brain--and unattached objective mind, which was wondering what the hell all this was about. Totally useless to anybody who is not a diehard historian of the genre--I know the hope. That "Watchmen" will infect the world. It was not to be. The rest of the world wants Super-heroes. Not Masks. Or Watchmen. --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" wrote: > > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > What are you reading?>> > > > I am reading Alan Moore's graphic novel "Watchmen" (and enjoying the hell out > of it) and the "Octavian Nothing" duology (I adore the language). Although > the two Octavian Nothing books take place in pre revolutionary America, they > are about a preternaturally gifted young black slave plopped into a strange > new world and his first person account of trying to rationally navigate that > maddingly contradictory world. > > ~rave! > > http://theworldebon.blogspot.com >
Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: What are you reading?>> I am reading Alan Moore's graphic novel "Watchmen" (and enjoying the hell out of it) and the "Octavian Nothing" duology (I adore the language). Although the two Octavian Nothing books take place in pre revolutionary America, they are about a preternaturally gifted young black slave plopped into a strange new world and his first person account of trying to rationally navigate that maddingly contradictory world. ~rave! http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
One other note... word is Universal Pictures bought the rights to Jordan's works and--in some kind of fantasy fraticidal match-up--there's talk of an "Eye of the World" movie set for 2011, same time as "The Hobbit" sequel. Why anyone would try to make a movie out of Jordan's epic (which spans 15 books) is beyond me. Even if they decide to make it animated (which is rumored by some), it's still way too much to put on a big screen. And given Jordan's complexity and detail, going to be hard to merge/cut books. Not to mention the screams of bloody murder that would arise from his fans. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117990464.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Carter wrote: > > > Um did you say late Robert Jordan? > > -Original Message- > From: Sincere > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:45 AM > To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? > > lol > > and i thought it was just me... :) > > I'm reading A New Spring- the Wheel of Time prequel by the late Robert > Jordan... it's been sitting on my shelf forever, and I finally just picked > it up and started thumbing through it. Walking through Brooklyn, found a > copy of RA Salvatore's The Orc King on the stoop of a brownstone--one of > the > many tales of Drizzt Do'Urden the dark elf from the Forgotten Realms > Fantasy > series. I read the original Drizzt novels (along with the accompanying > Icewind Dale books) way back as a kid. I didn't keep up with the continuing > novels or spin-offs. So I have to go on wiki just to catch myself up to > what > the heck's been going on. I'm sure tales of the "ebon-skinned" evil elves > will get under my own ebon skin as I read... though I always did like the > storyline. When this semester ends, I might dive into it. > > Sin aka Black Galactus > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, ravenadal > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading > > ANYTHING...sci fi? > > > > ~rave? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __._,_._ > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
yeah... Robert Jordan (James Rigney), Wheel of Time Series author, as of mid Sept. 2007... dead...heart condition...bummer. long awaited thick-as-hell final novel to decide the fate of Rand al'Thor and company...unfinished. Jordan anticpated losing his bout with this illness however and left a horde of notes. the end of the series is currently being finished by Brandon Sanderson...who along with TOR have decided (probably because the books are biblical in page-length, and i'm sure the elongated marketing angle is a bonus) to stretch it out as 3 separate novels. the first hits the shelves this coming Nov. whether Jordan's writing style and wit can be matched by Sanderson, is the big question. press release below: *http://us.macmillan.com/NewsDetails.aspx?id=12669*<http://www.brandonsanderson.com/article/56/Splitting-AMOL> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Carter wrote: > > > Um did you say late Robert Jordan? > > -Original Message- > From: Sincere > > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:45 AM > To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? > > lol > > and i thought it was just me... :) > > I'm reading A New Spring- the Wheel of Time prequel by the late Robert > Jordan... it's been sitting on my shelf forever, and I finally just picked > it up and started thumbing through it. Walking through Brooklyn, found a > copy of RA Salvatore's The Orc King on the stoop of a brownstone--one of > the > many tales of Drizzt Do'Urden the dark elf from the Forgotten Realms > Fantasy > series. I read the original Drizzt novels (along with the accompanying > Icewind Dale books) way back as a kid. I didn't keep up with the continuing > novels or spin-offs. So I have to go on wiki just to catch myself up to > what > the heck's been going on. I'm sure tales of the "ebon-skinned" evil elves > will get under my own ebon skin as I read... though I always did like the > storyline. When this semester ends, I might dive into it. > > Sin aka Black Galactus > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, ravenadal > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading > > ANYTHING...sci fi? > > > > ~rave? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __._,_._ > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
I just just finished the first half pr the Chronicles of amber and am starting the latest in the Dresden books. -Original Message- From: ravenadal Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:30 AM To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading ANYTHING..sci fi? ~rave? Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
Um did you say late Robert Jordan? -Original Message- From: Sincere Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:45 AM To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? lol and i thought it was just me... :) I'm reading A New Spring- the Wheel of Time prequel by the late Robert Jordan... it's been sitting on my shelf forever, and I finally just picked it up and started thumbing through it. Walking through Brooklyn, found a copy of RA Salvatore's The Orc King on the stoop of a brownstone--one of the many tales of Drizzt Do'Urden the dark elf from the Forgotten Realms Fantasy series. I read the original Drizzt novels (along with the accompanying Icewind Dale books) way back as a kid. I didn't keep up with the continuing novels or spin-offs. So I have to go on wiki just to catch myself up to what the heck's been going on. I'm sure tales of the "ebon-skinned" evil elves will get under my own ebon skin as I read... though I always did like the storyline. When this semester ends, I might dive into it. Sin aka Black Galactus On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, ravenadal wrote: > > > This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading > ANYTHING...sci fi? > > ~rave? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_._ [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
"Just After Sunset" a collection of shorts from Stephen King. Tim -- -- Now Available--HUMAN TRIAL e-book format ($10.99) from www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/eBookDetails.asp?BookID=137522 Available in paperback at https://www.createspace.com/3366977 and Jan. 18 from amazon, borders and allthingsthatmatterpress.com $18.99 What happens when all that remains of the world is fear, distrust and desperation? Daron Turner and pregnant co-worker Regina Jackson leads a scattershot group of men and women are left to fend off alien attackers who have waged a thermal war on the earth. The survivors must endure intense heat while warding off marauders, rabid animals and their own prejudices. The aliens desire to use the remaining children on earth for study and hybrid procreation. Daron and his cohorts must decide whether to give up or fight to protect the planet’s future: Regina ’s unborn child. --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 2:44 PM I'm just finishing up The Darker Mask as collection of short stories by Steven Barnes, Walter Mosley, LA Banks and others. I just finished a story about a Latina crack addict turned superhero and a story about the life of a henchman from his perspective. Only three more stories left, so I'm looking for something else What are you reading? From: SciFiNoir_Lit@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SciFiNoir_Lit@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:30 AM To: SciFiNoir_Lit@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading ANYTHING...sci fi? ~rave? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
I'm just finishing up The Darker Mask as collection of short stories by Steven Barnes, Walter Mosley, LA Banks and others. I just finished a story about a Latina crack addict turned superhero and a story about the life of a henchman from his perspective. Only three more stories left, so I'm looking for something else What are you reading? From: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir_...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:30 AM To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading ANYTHING...sci fi? ~rave? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I own and recommend "Raggamuffin" and Mr. Uzzle used to hang around these environs. ~rave! --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, Milton Davis wrote: > > I don't come by often...because I'm reading. I'm currently reading Desires > and Designs, a fantasy novel by K.J. Parker. Next on my list is Retro-KM by > Edward Uzzle, then Raggamuffin, by Tobias S. Bucknell. > > --- On Fri, 4/17/09, ravenadal wrote: > > > From: ravenadal > Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? > To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 3:30 PM > > > > > > > > > This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading > ANYTHINGsci fi? > > ~rave? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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I don't come by often...because I'm reading. I'm currently reading Desires and Designs, a fantasy novel by K.J. Parker. Next on my list is Retro-KM by Edward Uzzle, then Raggamuffin, by Tobias S. Bucknell. --- On Fri, 4/17/09, ravenadal wrote: From: ravenadal Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING? To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 3:30 PM This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading ANYTHINGsci fi? ~rave? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
lol and i thought it was just me... :) I'm reading A New Spring- the Wheel of Time prequel by the late Robert Jordan... it's been sitting on my shelf forever, and I finally just picked it up and started thumbing through it. Walking through Brooklyn, found a copy of RA Salvatore's The Orc King on the stoop of a brownstone--one of the many tales of Drizzt Do'Urden the dark elf from the Forgotten Realms Fantasy series. I read the original Drizzt novels (along with the accompanying Icewind Dale books) way back as a kid. I didn't keep up with the continuing novels or spin-offs. So I have to go on wiki just to catch myself up to what the heck's been going on. I'm sure tales of the "ebon-skinned" evil elves will get under my own ebon skin as I read... though I always did like the storyline. When this semester ends, I might dive into it. Sin aka Black Galactus On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:30 AM, ravenadal wrote: > > > This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading > ANYTHING...sci fi? > > ~rave? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[SciFiNoir Lit] ...is anybody reading ANYTHING?
This is supposed to be a SciFiNoir LIT group...is anybody reading ANYTHING...sci fi? ~rave?
