Re: MUSCLE standards

2000-05-22 Thread Peter W Tomlinson

Here is a brief summary of work done in 1998 to compare ISO 7816-
3:1997 and EMV V3.1.1.

Attached file ISO_EMV_Comp.doc

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 Peter W Tomlinson wrote:
 
  I will try to find time to give detailed responses to David's frustrations,
  but for now I generally support Matthias. Except I remind you all that
  EMV's T=1 is different from ISO's T=1 - both have errors in the error
  recovery, but the errors are different, and they also have different
  definitions of the fields for changing protocol parameters.
 
 This is interesting.
 Can you give us more details about the differences between EMV's T=1 and
 ISO's T=1 ?
 
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Re: MUSCLE standards

2000-05-22 Thread Andreas Schwier

Hi Dave

I fully agree with your statements, but it's not that terrible. I've been
working in the industry for 14 years now and as a former member of the German
standardisation body (NI17.4) I've been involved in the work that gave us
ISO7816-3,4 and 5.

Industry standards are always a tradeoff. They usually reflect the interest of
companies that send people to these standardisation groups. It's
quite expensive to do this kind of work, so it does not surprise that
companies only invest that money, if they see some benefit (which is surely not
interoperability).

The other problem with standards, is that they only contain the results of very
long disussions that were held in these groups. Reading the standard
does not tell you why things are done in a certain way. You only see in a very
compressed document, what everyone finally agreed on.

Now other people take these standards and try to implement them. And because
developers don't really like reading standards and because they don't have the
background information, things gets out of hand. A good example is the chaining
mechanism in T=1. Soon after the first drafts of T=1 were written, people
started implementing T=1, but they left out chaining and claimed that it is
optional. If you look at the standard it's clearly not and you see that T=1
without chaining doesn't make any sense.

Standards take very long to develop and it would not work, if companies did not
try to implement proprietary system, just to find the best solution for a
standard. But because of this, standard often need to embrace even these poor
first time shots, because they suddenly got successfull in the marketplace and
defined the common standard (I can think of better ways to exchange documents
than in Word format, but it's there and won't go away soon).

 One of the biggest obstacles in the smartcard industry today is the lack
 of standardization between different cards, readers, and even the platform
 in which they are used.  Back in the early days of the internet many
 different standards existed like token ring, Dec Net, and others making
 the existance of a single infrastructure in which anyone could plug into
 difficult.  Eventually the players began to see the light and one standard
 emerged as the godfather of all internet connectivity standards: ethernet
 and TCP/IP.  

But without the Internet as the killer application, TCP/IP would not be the
de-facto standard today. Just think back a little while, when IPX looked like a
strong candidate.

PC/SC is a good global specification to start with. I guess the combination of
PC/SC with the CT-API / CT-BCS approach in M.U.S.C.L.E will work quite well. I
don't see companies writing terminal drivers for OCF, and IMHO OCF will always
be used as a layer on top of PC/SC.

 Now anyone can plug into the internet and connect with nearly
 everyone else in a simple and seamless manner.  It is no wonder why
 companies such as Cisco are doing as well as they are.  Do you think that
 these companies would be doing as well if many networking standards still
 existed today ?  The Internet would not be growing as quickly if not a
 single standard emerged from the struggle because users need a seamless
 way of connectivity.  The same must exist for smartcards.  Although
 magnetic stripe cards are of a much simpler nature, it is still possible
 for myself to travel to France and use an Automatic Teller Machine to gain
 access to money.  I can even use my VISA card in almost every terminal  
 that exists.  Do you think that these cards would be as useful if every
 bank issued their own proprietary location of information on the magnetic
 stripe ?

Just take your MasterCard, VISA or Amex with an EMV application on the chip and
you can stick it into any EMV terminal around the world. The standards for that
are here, but it's not yet a business case for the banks to invest into chip.

 Smartcards must also develop such standards to make communication to them
 in a seamless manner.  The following is a list of what I consider to be
 necessary for the smartcard industry: 
 
 1)  One communication protocol should be used.  Currently there are
 several:  T=0, T=1, Synchronous, and others.  My personal feeling is that
 all cards should communicate in the T=1 block protocol.  It is much more
 efficient, and gives the card a way of communicating back to the reader to
 establish resynchronization or to communicate the need for more waiting
 time.  T=0 does this through the ATR so if the card needs more time it has
 to change the ATR to notify the host of this.   I feel this is a poor way
 of doing this.   

Most modern cards do that today, unfortunately some French companies do not
really like T=1 for historic reasons. Quite often these cards even support both
protocols with PPS.

 2)  The ATR should be used as a means for card identification.  It is
 ridiculous that much of the ATR can be changed except the protocol
 information.  I think the ATR