Re: [scots-l] Wha Saw the Forty Second etc
Ted Hastings wrote: [Nigel wrote:] Wha saw the tattie howkers, I believe it may originate as hawkers, based on Irish potato sellers. I think the correct word here is actually howkers, from the Scots verb howk, meaning to dig. I've always known it as howkers (and I know very well the meaning), but I have come across a version of the rhyme from c.1914 which mentions tattie HAWKers, referring to Irishmen who would travel to Glasgow to sell potatoes. They probably called it Potato Excavating or some such Anglicism in Edinburgh. Huzzah! Here come the tuber extractors Who could have seen them ging awa? Has anybody seen those potattie lifters Marching within a stone's throw of Royal Terrace? Have you got something against Edinburgh, Ted? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Places
Nigel wrote: Glasgow... ...A nice easy tune might be Glasgow Highlanders. Or Glasgow Gaelic Club (in ALP book 3); Lochiel's Welcome to Glasgow? Ted wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has yet mentioned any of the tunes associated with Glasgow, eg: Glasgow Gaelic Club, Glasgow Highlanders, Glasgow Lasses, Glasgow Hornpipe, Glasgow Reel, Dick Glasgow's etc. Hey Ted, have you kill-filed me? Or have you just given up reading my contributions? Seriously, what's Dick Glasgow's? I don't think I've come across that one. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Wha Saw the Forty Second etc
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Wha saw the tattie howkers, Wha saw them gang awa? Wha saw the tattie howkers, .. the Berwick Law? I believe it may originate as hawkers, based on Irish potato sellers. No, it's to 'howk' or dig. Tattie howkers is not just Scottish, it's what they are called throughout northern England for sure (I photographed Irish tattie howkers in Yorkshire in 1968 and that was the title used for the series of pix). David Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] Wha Saw the Forty Second etc
-Original Message- From: Nigel Gatherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 October 2001 08:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scots-l] Wha Saw the Forty Second etc Ted Hastings wrote: [Nigel wrote:] Wha saw the tattie howkers, I believe it may originate as hawkers, based on Irish potato sellers. I think the correct word here is actually howkers, from the Scots verb howk, meaning to dig. I've always known it as howkers (and I know very well the meaning), but I have come across a version of the rhyme from c.1914 which mentions tattie HAWKers, referring to Irishmen who would travel to Glasgow to sell potatoes. They probably called it Potato Excavating or some such Anglicism in Edinburgh. Huzzah! Here come the tuber extractors Who could have seen them ging awa? Has anybody seen those potattie lifters Marching within a stone's throw of Royal Terrace? Have you got something against Edinburgh, Ted? Not really, but since I originated near Glasgow, I can never resist the opportunity to push button B, despite having lived in Stirling for the last twenty-odd years. Regards, Ted Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] Places
-Original Message- From: Nigel Gatherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 October 2001 09:38 To: Scots-L Posting Subject: Re: [scots-l] Places Nigel wrote: Glasgow... ...A nice easy tune might be Glasgow Highlanders. Or Glasgow Gaelic Club (in ALP book 3); Lochiel's Welcome to Glasgow? Ted wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has yet mentioned any of the tunes associated with Glasgow, eg: Glasgow Gaelic Club, Glasgow Highlanders, Glasgow Lasses, Glasgow Hornpipe, Glasgow Reel, Dick Glasgow's etc. Hey Ted, have you kill-filed me? Or have you just given up reading my contributions? Seriously, what's Dick Glasgow's? I don't think I've come across that one. Sorry Nigel, I must have missed your earlier message. Dick Glasgow's is a Slip Jig, written by a Scot (from Edinburgh!) now living in Antrim. X:97 T:Dick Glasgow's R:Slip Jig S:Dick Glasgow, Scotland (fiddle) H:I suspect a home compostion D:Private tape Z:Bernie Stocks M:9/8 L:1/8 K:G ABA dcA d2c | ABA cdA G3 | ABA dcA d2e | g2d ege dBG :|! GBB GBd g3 | GBB fge fed | GBB GBd gag | fgf efe dBA :|| I was only including it among the Glasgow tunes for a laugh. For Glasgow songs, how about: Jock Hawk's Adventures in Glasgow Glesga Jean Where is the Glasgow There must be dozens more. Ted Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [scots-l] A Tale of Two Cities
-Original Message- From: Nigel Gatherer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 October 2001 09:36 To: Scots-L Posting Subject: [scots-l] A Tale of Two Cities Scotland has two wonderful cities 44 miles apart: the east coast capital Edinburgh, the west coast metropolis Glasgow. I don't know of any other country which has its two largest cities in such close proximity. I was born in Edinburgh, but lived in Glasgow till I was thirteen when I returned to Edinburgh to spend the rest of my teenage years (then I ventured to Dundee, but that's a whole nother story). I have always loved both cities, celebrating their unique attributes and their differences. There is a rivalry between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Half the time it's good-natured banter; it's traditional for folk in the West to have a dig at the expense of Edinonians and, to a lesser extent, the other other way around. It's good old Scottish flyting. There is, however, all too often a seriousness in the rivalry which disturbs me. There is a jealousy in it, and it's possible that the tongue-in-cheek abuse reinforces a bigotry which exists at a deeper level. The cliches are too easy: Glasgow has fur-coat-and-hat snobs who could rival any Morningside caricature, Edinburgh has areas of deprivation to make your eyes open wide. Edinburgh contains some of the most warm, friendly, honest people you could meet, Glasgow houses some hypocritical aloof bastards. But this is not a competition. Cities contain spectra of human life, and to try to generalise a characteristic and apply it wholesale to such large urban settlements is to deny that individuals make up society. (What the hell am I doing? Obviously a slow day at my desk! Apologies to anyone who, unlikely as it may seem, has read this far. Keep the jibes coming, Ted - I can take it. Although I have to remind you that my big brother is bigger than your big brother.) He would have to be, I don't have a big brother. I think it's worth mentioning that the difference probably originates from the fact that Glasgow was an industrial city, while Edinburgh was a commercial centre, and the inhabitance of the two cities (if they ever met at all) as very different types of people. William McIlvanney once described the journey between Glasgow and Edinburgh as a short distance, but a long way. I find it quite surprising that there's never beeen any great footbal rivalry between the two cities, each preferring to stick to its own internecine strife. Regards, Ted Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
