[scots-l] Mandolin Workshop

2002-02-03 Thread Philip Whittaker



If I were coming, I'd ask for;

- ornmentation of the pipe and the fiddle repertoire.

- strathspeys

I will have to decide at the very last moment.

Philip

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Re: [scots-l] Mandolin Workshop

2002-02-03 Thread Nigel Gatherer

Ted Hastings wrote:

 Unfortunately I'll be unable to attend as I already have other
 commitments for next Saturday. 

I'm sorry about that, Ted. I'm aware that you asked about it
mid-December, but it's only in the past couple of weeks that I've
managed to get the workshop into focus, and figure out exactly what I'm
doing.

 However, a couple of interesting topics might be:

 How can Andy Irvine sing while playing something completely unrelated
 on the mandolin?

Maybe it's because he's a Londoner? It's maybe a case of getting the
motor going (i.e. right hand) and leaving it running while you think
about chord shapes and singing and what the other guys in the band are
doing, and wondering whether the promoter will cough up this time. 

 Banjolins - should they be legalised?

Obvious answer to that one: Are you completely mad?

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[scots-l] Tempi

2002-02-03 Thread Nigel Gatherer

I'm writing an article about the speed of Scottish tunes using my own
research based on recordings of dance bands, although I've just noticed
that I didn't note any Strathspeys. I've always been under the
impression that a Strathspey would be played slower than a reel, but
looking at 'The Caledonian Companion', Alastair Hardie gives reels at
120-128, Most reels, however, will benefit from the less breathless
tempo of 108-116 He gives the Strathspey tempo as between 126-138,
considerably faster than the reel. He has marches at 92-100,
even-rhythmed hornpipes at 104-112, and uneven-rhythmed hornpipes at
69-76, which does seem rather slow to me. I'd like to hear your
opinions. 

For your interest, here are my findings:

Jigs: 118-126
Marches: 108-116
Reels: 118-126
Hornpipes: 86-88

I have to say I did this survey some years ago, and I haven't verified
it lately.

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Re: [scots-l] Tempi

2002-02-03 Thread Steve Wyrick

Nigel Gatherer wrote:

 I'm writing an article about the speed of Scottish tunes using my own
 research based on recordings of dance bands, although I've just noticed
 that I didn't note any Strathspeys. I've always been under the
 impression that a Strathspey would be played slower than a reel, but
 looking at 'The Caledonian Companion', Alastair Hardie gives reels at
 120-128, Most reels, however, will benefit from the less breathless
 tempo of 108-116 He gives the Strathspey tempo as between 126-138,
 considerably faster than the reel. He has marches at 92-100,
 even-rhythmed hornpipes at 104-112, and uneven-rhythmed hornpipes at
 69-76, which does seem rather slow to me. I'd like to hear your
 opinions. 

I'm under the impression (without doing much research) that strathspeys have
slowed down somewhat over the years.  Hugh Thurston, in Scotland's Dances,
quotes Major Edward Topham, in 1775, writing as follows:

Another of the national dances is a kind of quick minuet, or what the
Scotch call a 'Straspae.'  We in England are said to walk a minuet:  this is
gallopping a minuet.  Nothing of the minuet is preserved except the figure;
the step and time most resemble an hornpipe--and I leave you to dwell upon
the picture of a gentleman full-dressed and a lady in a hoop dancing an
hornpipe before a large assembly.

I think he wouldn't have made this observation if he'd encountered the
strathspey at the tempos we dance it nowadays.

I remember a discussion on the STRATHSPEY mailing list in the last couple
years to the effect that even within recent memory the tempo of the
Strathspey has slowed down.  Writers attributed it mostly to the graying
of the SCD population but it may also have to do with the trend toward more
gracefulness in the step.  Some people said they recalled that in the
mid-1900s the strathspey tempo was more like what we now do Glasgow
Highlanders at, ie around 60-66 BPM.  (regarding Hardie's tempo for the
Strathspey it seems to be double what I'm used to.  Do you think he's
counting differently?)

At any rate, regarding current practice, Barbara McOwen (a great fiddler
from San Francisco always in demand for RSCDS functions) writing in 1989
gave these tempi:

Reel and jig:  112-120
Strathspey: 60-66; strathspeys with highland setting may require 66 or
faster, official Highland Fling tempo is 68.

Suzie Petrov (an excellent pianist from Pennsylvania who plays at a lot of
RSCDS functions) writing in 2001 gives tempi for the RSCDS versions of these
tunes as follows:

quick time tunes (jigs, reels  hornpipes):  110-112
Strathspeys: 60

(As an aside, as far as I can tell the Society doesn't differentiate between
hornpipes and reels, using them almost interchangeably as tunes for reels
(the dance).  As I understand it, the Hornpipe as danced historically,
requires a much slower tempo due to the complexity of the steps.)

I hope this is useful. -Steve
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Re: [scots-l] Tempi

2002-02-03 Thread Steve Wyrick

Steve Wyrick wrote:


 Some people said they recalled that in the
 mid-1900s the strathspey tempo was more like what we now do Glasgow
 Highlanders at, ie around 60-66 BPM.

Oops, I meant 66-68 -Steve
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