Re: [scots-l] More Scottish fiddle questions

2003-01-11 Thread BOBBIFIDDLER
I have so many CD's, it's hard to know where to start! I can tell you the ones I seem to pull out most often, although, this list is a mix of Scot/Shetlands/and Cape Breton.

Willie Hunter,( he was from the Shetlands, but seemed to favor Scots tunes)

David Greenburg,( the most fabulous bowing I've ever heard, book is out of print right now, I found a copy on line in Australia titled: Dungreen Collection)

Winnie Chafe, ( Cape Breton: gorgeous waltzes and slow airs)

Carl MacKenzie,( Cape Breton, plays tunes outside the dance repertoire)

Bruce MacGregor,( lots of originals tunes..also with
Blazin' Fiddles,( yes, it's a group..but all fiddles)

Mairi Rankin,( wonderful easy, unforced sound, Cape Breton)

Jerry Holland,( see if you can find the Fiddlesticks collection...get the books)

Jennifer and Hazel Wrigley (I believe they are from the Orkneys).

Well,...that should get you started!


Re: [scots-l] A Fiddler's Book of Scottish Jigs

2003-01-11 Thread John Chambers
Irena Aligizakis writes:
| Would a fiddler play at a different tempo for people
| doing a Scottish country dance than for a stepdancer?
| I'm just wondering b/c ever since I started
| stepdancing I'm a lot more conscious of rhythm and
| tempo and things like that in music.

Yep.  Step dancers usually have a lot of  different  tempi.
But they are also usually wearing hard-soled shoes, so they
are giving you the rhythm and tempo in a very audible form.
You can treat them as a kind of drummer. All you have to do
is listen and adjust to them.

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Re: [scots-l] A Fiddler's Book of Scottish Jigs

2003-01-11 Thread John Chambers
Bob Rogers wrote:
| Cynthia Cathcart wrote:
|  While we're talking about reels, and since there are a good smattering
|  of fiddlers here, I will hazard another question: how fast are they
|  usually played for dancers? One organization here in the States
|  advertises the actual tempo of reels at 130-140 per half note/minim.
|  ...
| Well, in the preface to Skinner's _Harp and Claymore_, the editor, Gavin
| Greig, M.A., wrote regarding Strathspeys and reels,
|
| The tempo of the former is 1/2 note = 94 and the latter 1/2 note = 126.
| This represents 20 seconds for the Strathspey, and 15 for the Reel.
| These are the rates given by Mr. Skinner, and coincide with those given
| by G.F Graham. Mr. John Glenn makes the Strathspey somewhat slower.
|
| For listening? My wife was practicing some Mozart at a tempo 1/2 note =
| 152, which is really fast. I was listening to a field recording of an
| American Celtic fiddler (on headphones in the next room), and his
| tempo exactly matched her metronome. It sounded very fast, but not
| really hurried or rushed.

In general, the proper speed is very different for different kinds of
dancing,  and there's usually at least a 10% variation on either side
of the average speed.

For some years, my wife and I have been playing for  a  rapper  sword
team.  They dance mostly to jigs.  I've taken an electronic metronome
along to a number of morris/sword events, and the typical rapper team
dances at about 160.  Their footwork gets really clunky and tiring if
the tempo is less than about 150.

Now, many musicians' reaction to this is 160?  Awk!!! But actually,
a  jig  at  160  and  a  reel  at 120 are the same speed, 8 notes per
second. 120 is about the average speed for New England contras (which
we also play a lot). So anyone who plays reels for contras can play a
jig at 160.

I also play for a lot of Scottish (RSCDS) dances, and there the usual
speed for reels and jigs is around 112.  With the usual 10% variance,
of course, depending on the dance and the tunes.  It can be funny  to
watch contra musicians trying to hold down the tempo to 112.  But the
dancers will usually give you a lot of too fast feedback  when  the
tempo creeps up.

One thing that I like to point out to newcomers  to  this  and  other
kinds  of  dance is that there's an interesting pattern to the speed:
When playing for novices, you will need  to  play  a  bit  slowly  at
first, and speed up as they learn the dances.  But when playing for a
crowd of experienced dancers, they will want you to slow down.   This
is, contrary to common opinion, not an age-related thing.  The better
dancers have learned fancy things that  they  like  to  do  with  the
steps,  and  they can't do them at a fast tempo.  For an intermediate
crowd, a fast tempo works, because they mostly don't know  the  fancy
things,  and  they  also  don't  have the balance that slower dancing
requires.  But the more advanced  dancers  have  the  steps  and  the
balance, and they'll like the music slower so they can do things with
the dance.

A while ago I noticed that over the weekend I'd played Stan Chapman's
jig  at 112 for a Scottish dance, at 120 for a contra, and at 160 for
a rapper dance.  The style you  need  for  all  of  these  is  rather
different, of course, but the tune works for all of them.

I've also played for a lot of Irish step dancers  in  the  past,  and
they  have at least 6 distinct jigs, each with a different rhythm and
tempo.  Then there's Morris dancing, with its  deliberate  tempos  of
around  80 or 90.  One of my favorite ways of educating musicians who
are impressed by fast and loud is to get them to  try  playing  along
with Morris dancers.  This is a crowd that is *not* impressed by fast
and loud. Too fast is simply wrong.  And you need to play loud enough
to  be heard, but not so loud that you drown the calls.  And you have
to learn a lot of style. And, of course, you need to learn the proper
irreverent, nonchalant attitude towards it all.



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[scots-l] Re: Scottish Fiddlers

2003-01-11 Thread Ken Pollard

Bob Rogers wrote:

* CDs to buy: I've got CDs by Alasdair Fraser, Bonnie Rideout, Elke
Baker, and John Taylor. I've also got cds by a bunch of Irish fiddlers.
I want to buy more Scottish fiddle CDs. I don't want CDs of bands that
have fiddles, just fiddler's CDs.


I've recently run across John Taylor, out of California.  He plays for the
local Scottish Country Dance organization (Sacramento?) and has three CDs
out now, any one of which is top notch.

One is called Live, and that's what it is -- recorded at a dance.

Another is called After the Dance, and is the best for listening by a
general audience.  Has a great MacPherson's Lament/Rant.

And the third is titled Steppin' Out, which is dance music, including a
marvelous strathspey set.  I like this one best for dance-fiddle music.

I do have some commercial interest, as I have a fiddle repair shop here in
Idaho and now try to keep his CDs on hand for my local customers, but you
can contact John directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] , and buy it straight from
the fiddler, and then I make no money, so have no commercial interest,
aside from keeping a great fiddler encouraged.  Being a fiddler as well, I
listen to these CDs intently.

Ken Pollard

*
Owyhee Mountain Fiddle Shop
4211 Sunny Ridge Rd., Nampa, Idaho 83686
(208) 466-3633 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Repairs neatly done, instruments new  used for sale  rent, bows, cases,
instructional books,  the finest of accessories.

Adjunct Instructor in Mathematics  Physics at Boise State University.


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