Re: [Scottish] IRC Debate logs
Tony Dyer wrote: Nice to see how you act when someone challenges your views. So your colours are showed true here. Tony Dyer. [entire previous message including irc log snippage] If you are going to suggest list membership be a prerequisite for LUG membership and communication, can you at least trim previous replies in your posts to the list? :( -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _ When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb. -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
Hallo all : - Regarding talk of further fragmenting the Scottish LUG community this allegation assumes at least three things : - 1 That Tony's proposed new UG would be under the LUG umbrella; 2 That one could not be in both a LUG and the pnUG (so as in religious and political mainstreams and sects); 3 That fragmentation is bad in itself and that Tony forking off in despair (if he does) couldn't lead anywhere for the rest. Assumes, I say, but I was told in recent years that to ASSUME makes an ASS of U and ME. For the current record where is there a brief history of ScotLUG's early days please? Pat On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:17:45 + William Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Dyer wrote: I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. This kind of response is disappointing to say the least. A lack of progress and decisions regarding the LUG in the middle of December is hardly something to get worked up about - this is a time when most people are winding down and are possibly away from keyboards. Some good comments have been made over the last couple of weeks, and while formalised progress hasn't been decided upon, I think it's only fair to mull over further comments and thoughts over the holiday period. I notice that you didn't participate in the discussion which you yourself initiated on the 9th - any reason for that? You could have guided that thread to engage and enliven LUG members to be more proactive, but you didn't - why? You changed your mind from offering to turn up at meetings and do some content for the website at around half past eight on Monday night to forming another Glasgow LUG at about half past ten. If you attribute your change of heart to some indigestion after your dinner, I can somewhat understand, but otherwise it just smacks of impatience and offhanded irritation. If you feel that your only way forward is to abandon the existing LUG and attempt to form a new one, then good luck to you, but it seems an extremely rash and ill-mannered decision to make. If you want to take charge of something and take it forward, why not do so with the existing LUG instead of creating a new LUG, fragmenting the community? I suggested earlier in the month that the community that is ScotLUG become GLUG, retaining the current membership, times, goals, etc, and the ScotLUG brand be used as an umbrella organisation to help bring together the LUG communities in Scotland. You are suggesting further fragmenting the Scottish LUG community - can we have more details reasons why you feel this is necessary? Please don't take any of these comments as an attack - I genuinely would like to hear your answers to my questions, and any other comments you wish to make to make your position and thinking clearer. if you still feel your only course of action is to fragment the community, I again wish you luck and also a guid new year. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _ When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb. -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish -- Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r0 Sylpheed 0.7.4 are free software Free as in http://fsfeurope.org/ or http://www.fsf.org/ also http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ http://www.ukcdr.org/ http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Re: Scottish Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11
Soundcard issue I have a new soundcard, which is an M-audio Audiohpile 2496. to my dismay!! I bought the wrong bloody Midi cable for it, so I can't connect uit Yet to my midi keyboard. however I can connect my keyboard to my onboard soundcard? My question, can I have two soundcards running simutaniously? all I need the onboard soudncard is for the midi/joyport so I can connect it to my midi Keyboard! Any taker? On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 12:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Scottish mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Scottish digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: IRC Debate logs (William Anderson) 2. Re: Forming New LUG (ptb) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:27:20 + From: William Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Scottish] IRC Debate logs To: SLUG-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tony Dyer wrote: Nice to see how you act when someone challenges your views. So your colours are showed true here. Tony Dyer. [entire previous message including irc log snippage] If you are going to suggest list membership be a prerequisite for LUG membership and communication, can you at least trim previous replies in your posts to the list? :( -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _ When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb. -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:56:57 + From: ptb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG To: SLUG-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hallo all : - Regarding talk of further fragmenting the Scottish LUG community this allegation assumes at least three things : - 1 That Tony's proposed new UG would be under the LUG umbrella; 2 That one could not be in both a LUG and the pnUG (so as in religious and political mainstreams and sects); 3 That fragmentation is bad in itself and that Tony forking off in despair (if he does) couldn't lead anywhere for the rest. Assumes, I say, but I was told in recent years that to ASSUME makes an ASS of U and ME. For the current record where is there a brief history of ScotLUG's early days please? Pat On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:17:45 + William Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Dyer wrote: I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. This kind of response is disappointing to say the least. A lack of progress and decisions regarding the LUG in the middle of December is hardly something to get worked up about - this is a time when most people are winding down and are possibly away from keyboards. Some good comments have been made over the last couple of weeks, and while formalised progress hasn't been decided upon, I think it's only fair to mull over further comments and thoughts over the holiday period. I notice that you didn't participate in the discussion which you yourself initiated on the 9th - any reason for that? You could have guided that thread to engage and enliven LUG members to be more proactive, but you didn't - why? You changed your mind from offering to turn up at meetings and do some content for the website at around half past eight on Monday night to forming another Glasgow LUG at about half past ten. If you attribute your change of heart to some indigestion after your dinner, I can somewhat understand, but otherwise it just smacks of impatience and offhanded irritation. If you feel that your only way forward is to abandon the existing LUG and attempt to form a new one, then good luck to you, but it seems an extremely rash and ill-mannered decision to make. If you want to take charge of something and take it forward, why not do so with the existing LUG
Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
More mud for the waters.. I'd be keen to see ScotLUG/aLUG/anyLUG move forward and provide a more structured forum for discussion and also offer a point of contact for business and newbies. To do this we need names and probably titles, this is the least that a lot of folks from outside the world of open software projects expect to see. If for whatever reasons we can't agree on this then can I suggest that we form a SIG within ScotLUG and try and keep us all under one banner? The last thing anyone trying to advocate Linux needs is a schism and I don't see any real disagreement that the various alternative proposals are wrong, just wrong for some of us. Obviously for this to work we would need to draw a line under any ill feeling caused by the recent 'discussions'. To summarise the ramble above, could we have an organised sub-group working within ScotLUG? This groups can be self directing and is unlikely to come into conflict with the aims of the main group... talking of which can someone please remind me again what these were? George ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
