Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
Sorry, sent this to ray, but should have been to the group! - Original Message - From: ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine On Thursday 25 September 2003 17:11, Allan Bruce wrote: the windows and taskbar appear for a few milliseconds and then disappear. So there is nothing I can on the desktop at all I do not understand. As the KDE machine is headless, I take it that you are having problems with the MS-Windows box? If you want specific rather than generic help you will have to be a bit more specific about your set-up and what you have done/installed where. ok, specifics inline! Are you using a standard Linux distribution? If so which one? Mandrake 9.1 What version of KDE are you using? 3.1.3 IIRC What version of XFree86 / VNC is installed? X 4.0.3, RealVNC 3.3.7 Are you in run level 5? nope, 3 Is there a special reason for running the (many years obsolete/insecure) telnet daemon rather than openssh? yes, I am within my local LAN so security is not an issue. I use SSH to remote login to work, but I have not set up an ssh server on the linux box yet. Any hints as to how I start with this? What version of MS-Windows are you using? XP SP1 Have you installed an X server and/or VNC on the MS box? If so which versions? just TightVNC as per your recommendation v1.2.9 (also tried RealVNC but no luck) Is the MS-Windows installation clean or do you have anti-virus, port blocking, etc. software running? No anit-virus and no port blocking - I have IPv6 installed on both machines though. If the reason for telnet is because you do not have a MS-Windows ssh client, you should get putty.exe and set the keyboard for the Linux session to XtermR6. Is your intention to be able to open a window on th MS box and perform a graphical login to a KDE session on the Linux box? That would be great. I want a decent looking desktop, not just the plain X, but if thats all I can get then it will do (as long as I can get access to the (dare I say it) start menu) Thanks Allan ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
Are you using a standard Linux distribution? If so which one? Mandrake 9.1 I do not use this, I use SuSE 8.2, but someone else will be able to help here. For setting up VNC the major point is; does are you using xinetd or inetd? What version of KDE are you using? 3.1.3 IIRC What version of XFree86 / VNC is installed? X 4.0.3, RealVNC 3.3.7 Are you in run level 5? nope, 3 _You have to be in level 5 for X_ (init 5 as root). This should be in the Mandrake stuff to go to run level 5 on booting. Is there a special reason for running the (many years obsolete/insecure) telnet daemon rather than openssh? yes, I am within my local LAN so security is not an issue. I use SSH to remote login to work, but I have not set up an ssh server on the linux box yet. Any hints as to how I start with this? But you said I have got my linux machine now setup and running as a router and mail/web server. so you should not be running the telnet daemon. Sshd is normally installed by default; a Mandrake 9.1 user should be able to help here. Why not just try a ssh to your linux box? What version of MS-Windows are you using? XP SP1 ... just TightVNC as per your recommendation v1.2.9 (also tried RealVNC but no luck) No anit-virus and no port blocking - I have IPv6 installed on both machines though. Then when you have configured VNC on your linux box, you should be able to run TightVNV (Fast Compression)* and open a window into kdm. -- ray ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
- Original Message - From: ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine Are you using a standard Linux distribution? If so which one? Mandrake 9.1 I do not use this, I use SuSE 8.2, but someone else will be able to help here. For setting up VNC the major point is; does are you using xinetd or inetd? I am using xinetd What version of KDE are you using? 3.1.3 IIRC What version of XFree86 / VNC is installed? X 4.0.3, RealVNC 3.3.7 Are you in run level 5? nope, 3 _You have to be in level 5 for X_ (init 5 as root). This should be in the Mandrake stuff to go to run level 5 on booting. I know how to do this, so thats no problem Is there a special reason for running the (many years obsolete/insecure) telnet daemon rather than openssh? yes, I am within my local LAN so security is not an issue. I use SSH to remote login to work, but I have not set up an ssh server on the linux box yet. Any hints as to how I start with this? But you said I have got my linux machine now setup and running as a router and mail/web server. so you should not be running the telnet daemon. Sshd is normally installed by default; a Mandrake 9.1 user should be able to help here. Why not just try a ssh to your linux box? I did, and it worked just by starting the daemon - no keys just now, but that will come. What version of MS-Windows are you using? XP SP1 ... just TightVNC as per your recommendation v1.2.9 (also tried RealVNC but no luck) No anit-virus and no port blocking - I have IPv6 installed on both machines though. Then when you have configured VNC on your linux box, you should be able to run TightVNV (Fast Compression)* and open a window into kdm. I'll let you know how I get on! Thanks for the help Allan ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
On Friday 26 September 2003 10:40, Allan Bruce wrote: I am getting connected, and I see the backdrop of KDE but just no icons, menus or windows. Well, sometimes they appear for a few milliseconds before disappearing, but mostly they are never there. I do get the clipboard icon until I click it, and then it disappears too! It seems that you are connecting to a running KDE session. That session will locally be required to grant permission for access. The first X session will be 0 which is the default for TightVNC if you do not specify a session number. You do not want to be running KDE when you connect with VNC. You need a local VNC service running from xinetd to start kdm, or the Mandrake equivalent. This will permit login to a new KDE session via VNC. -- ray ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
Still no luck :o( running as init level 5, vnc connects and I still just get the backdrop. Perhaps I should give up with VNC, unless anybody knows that this is just a settings problem? Allan ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
On Friday 26 September 2003 11:24, Allan Bruce wrote: Although when I start vncserver, it does say New 'X' desktop os Kes:1 I do not understand when I start vncserver and and X isnt running before I start it.. I configure /etc/xinetd.d/vnc to start KDM in response to a remote vnc connection. This allows a KDE login, which starts an X session with KDE which displays in the remote VNC window. But I do not know exactly what happens in Mandrake 9.1. Colin told me how he set up his work SuSE box to allow disadvantaged colleagues to run a KDE session on his workstation from their WinXP boxes. I mostly do things the other way round and use vncviewer from Linux to support remote users running Win2k/TightVNC. -- ray ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
The simplest way to route the display back to a UN*X box is simply to use SSH instead of Telnet- it'll tunnel X by default. As for a Windows box, I'm not sure - does Cygwin include an X server? Or you can pay out for Hummingbird Exceed (£££). - Rory Allan Bruce said: Hi there, I have got my linux machine now setup and running as a router and mail/web server. I have it stashed away with no monitor/mouse/keyb so that it is less ugly to my spare room (or at least for the wife!). I can telnet to it fine, but I want to be able to get a graphical display of it also. Is there a program I can use to do this? I have tried VNC but it doesnt seem to work well with the new KDE - I dont get any icons or menus, which renders it pretty useless. To make matters more difficult, I want to route the display back to a windows machine if possible. Does anybody know if (and how) I can do this? Thanks Allan ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
On Thursday 25 September 2003 14:43, Allan Bruce wrote: I have tried VNC but it doesnt seem to work well with the new KDE - I dont get any icons or menus, which renders it pretty useless. Presumably you want a remote connection to the graphical login window (kdm) Message I got from Colin McKinnon six weeks ago: --- Hi Ray, I solved the VNC thing - the problem was that although I get a VNC session runing after I was logged into the computer, I wanted to be able to initiate the session via VNC (which doesn't have intrinsic support for usernames and PAM). All I needed to do was to enable the vnc service in xinetd.d and startup xinetd. Hey presto - KDM. (OK, its probably not as efficient as using the X Window protocol for writing changes to the terminal screen, but it saves a lot of fiddling about with fonts and colourmaps) Colin --- This refers to the KDE 3.1.3 on SuSE 8.2 To make matters more difficult, I want to route the display back to a windows machine if possible. Does anybody know if (and how) I can do this? Use TightVNC on the MS-Win box (we were calling them windows on graphical BSD boxes before there was such a thing as MS-DOS . when I were a lad) and all will be well. It really is easy. Hmm Kmail isn't handling replying to a list very well. No its the lug mailman omitting the Reply-To: header. -- ray ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
RE: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
The way I do it with servers at work is to run Cygwin with X Windows and then ssh to the server and export the display from that to the IP address that is running Cygwin. HTH Andrew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Bruce Sent: 25 September 2003 14:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine Hi there, I have got my linux machine now setup and running as a router and mail/web server. I have it stashed away with no monitor/mouse/keyb so that it is less ugly to my spare room (or at least for the wife!). I can telnet to it fine, but I want to be able to get a graphical display of it also. Is there a program I can use to do this? I have tried VNC but it doesnt seem to work well with the new KDE - I dont get any icons or menus, which renders it pretty useless. To make matters more difficult, I want to route the display back to a windows machine if possible. Does anybody know if (and how) I can do this? Thanks Allan ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Sending display to another machine
Yeah, cygwin does include an X server, or you could visit wiredx.net where you'll get a java X server that runs inside your browser. cygwin is probably the best option if you've got it on disk or have broadband. Wiredx is probably better if you're on dialup and don't have the disks. You can get cygwin from cygwin.com (or trawl through your old Linux format disks I'm sure it's been on one in the past year). Make sure that your server has a display manager running (runlevel 5 on Redhat and Mandrake) and that the display manager can accept XDMCP queries. Once cygwin is on your Windows box run a shell and type: XWin.exe -query server ip address :0 and you'll get a full screen X display from the server. Phil. Rory Gibson wrote: The simplest way to route the display back to a UN*X box is simply to use SSH instead of Telnet- it'll tunnel X by default. As for a Windows box, I'm not sure - does Cygwin include an X server? Or you can pay out for Hummingbird Exceed (£££). - Rory ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
