Re: [Server-devel] ds-backup
Your analysis conforms with my experience. When I tried to carry mod_python over into FC18, it conflicted with apache. I didn't spend much time thinking about carrying apache along. I'm sort of looking forward to debugging my new version of ds-backup server, which uses mod_wsgi. It seems like a relatively localized change. George On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I noticed that you were working on ds-backup recently. I was trying to get XSCE running on fc18, and encountered the issue of fedora dropping mod-python (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5165). Is it ok to just carry the fc17 version along in our repo, and try to see if it just works, or should we set a goal of rewriting to mod_wsgi? Carrying along an old mod_python might be tricky, I think F18 has a new apache version with some incompatibilities. I would port it to wsgi. Daniel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: ds-backup
This brings up the interesting issue of basing the XS-CE on a long term release. I have trying to sit on my hands for these discussion to see how they play out. I am pulled between two sides Stability -- Servers need to be inherently stable. Especially when we work at the scale that exists in large deployment. This seems to implies that something like CentOS would be the preferred OS. The added benefit is that we don't expend too many of our limited resources chasing upstream. New Hardware -- The other side of the coin is the desire to run on new hardware such as the XO4 or RaspberryPI. One of the ways long term releases achieve stability is letting new ideas and new drivers 'bake' in frequent release OS's like fedora. I wish I had a good answer to this. Dave On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:00 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Your analysis conforms with my experience. When I tried to carry mod_python over into FC18, it conflicted with apache. I didn't spend much time thinking about carrying apache along. I'm sort of looking forward to debugging my new version of ds-backup server, which uses mod_wsgi. It seems like a relatively localized change. George On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I noticed that you were working on ds-backup recently. I was trying to get XSCE running on fc18, and encountered the issue of fedora dropping mod-python (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5165). Is it ok to just carry the fc17 version along in our repo, and try to see if it just works, or should we set a goal of rewriting to mod_wsgi? Carrying along an old mod_python might be tricky, I think F18 has a new apache version with some incompatibilities. I would port it to wsgi. Daniel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: ds-backup
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:47 AM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: This brings up the interesting issue of basing the XS-CE on a long term release. I have trying to sit on my hands for these discussion to see how they play out. I am pulled between two sides Stability -- Servers need to be inherently stable. Especially when we work at the scale that exists in large deployment. This seems to implies that something like CentOS would be the preferred OS. The added benefit is that we don't expend too many of our limited resources chasing upstream. New Hardware -- The other side of the coin is the desire to run on new hardware such as the XO4 or RaspberryPI. One of the ways long term releases achieve stability is letting new ideas and new drivers 'bake' in frequent release OS's like fedora. I wish I had a good answer to this. Dave We are sorta married to Fedora, because of the Sugar dependency, but if I had a choice to run a server, I'd run it on Debian. In fact, I have run servers with incredible stability on Debian and Ubuntu. Services x86 and ARM and should work for most of what we want to do. Most RPi distros run on Debian. Probably won't work for running Sugar UI and activities, but yes, the Fedora dependency is a problem that no one wants to talk about :-( Sameer On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:00 AM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Your analysis conforms with my experience. When I tried to carry mod_python over into FC18, it conflicted with apache. I didn't spend much time thinking about carrying apache along. I'm sort of looking forward to debugging my new version of ds-backup server, which uses mod_wsgi. It seems like a relatively localized change. George On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I noticed that you were working on ds-backup recently. I was trying to get XSCE running on fc18, and encountered the issue of fedora dropping mod-python (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5165). Is it ok to just carry the fc17 version along in our repo, and try to see if it just works, or should we set a goal of rewriting to mod_wsgi? Carrying along an old mod_python might be tricky, I think F18 has a new apache version with some incompatibilities. I would port it to wsgi. Daniel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] ds-backup
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:00 AM, George Hunt wrote: Your analysis conforms with my experience. When I tried to carry mod_python over into FC18, it conflicted with apache. I didn't spend much time thinking about carrying apache along. It is my understanding mod_python was dropped as a supported package beginning with fedora 18. mod_python upstream has not been updated for years it seems. It is my understanding that mod_wsgi has a better memory foot print than mod_python. I'm sort of looking forward to debugging my new version of ds-backup server, which uses mod_wsgi. It seems like a relatively localized change. George On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM, George Hunt georgejh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, I noticed that you were working on ds-backup recently. I was trying to get XSCE running on fc18, and encountered the issue of fedora dropping mod-python (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5165). Is it ok to just carry the fc17 version along in our repo, and try to see if it just works, or should we set a goal of rewriting to mod_wsgi? Carrying along an old mod_python might be tricky, I think F18 has a new apache version with some incompatibilities. I would port it to wsgi. Daniel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
