Re: [Server-devel] [UKids] ext2 vs ext4 vs exFAT for XO content SD cards?

2015-08-17 Thread Tim Moody
I agree that http://www.tvetacademy.org/ looks interesting, provided you can 
meet their staff requirements.  In your case probably you can use a lot of 
their Eng materials so no need to shoot videos, etc.  It would be great if you 
would contact them and see what develops.

 

From: unleashk...@googlegroups.com [mailto:unleashk...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomson

 

BTY, have you seen the TVET equivalent of Khan? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqcaxsyK0E

 

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Re: [Server-devel] [UKids] ext2 vs ext4 vs exFAT for XO content SD cards?

2015-08-16 Thread Adam Holt
Great points all around.

To give a genuine voice to innovative but non-technical grassroots
teachers, I'd very much advocate for a 1GB exFAT/NTFS/FAT32 partition (or
whatever, let's say 1% of the 64GB or 128GB or 256GB SD card) to give
streets-is-talkin local educators authentic voice, alongside neocolonial
megapublishers birthing new 21st century learning cultures.  (We ARE the
99%, so at least give us 1% of the disk :-)

Much as Daniel Drake's 2009-era http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_Builder is a
far better tool for national deployments, as compared to Michael Stone's
2008-era http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customization_stick which was so
effective for community deployments during its heyday, much was also lost
(beyond just Michael Stone's paycheck ;)  As Mass Customization is never as
easy as the buzzword implies, and supporting both approaches became too
expensive for OLPC.

But both styles have their essential place (mass-production and
in-field-artisanry) so going forward I strongly hope we make a place for
both: megapublishers mass-cloned content a-la-IIAB, and equally important:
in-field customization by amateur/local true-as-can-be educators 
librarians, rise-of-the-rest folks who will rarely speak English nor
understand our documentation, let's be honest!

(Even if God Forbid teachers occasionally bootleg motivating content, using
this 1% partition of static local content, just like every interesting
teacher has done over the past half century, at the mimeograph/xerox
duplication machine...)

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote:

 I've some questions and statements.

  On August 16, 2015 at 4:28 PM Ian Thomson ithomson...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  Hi Adam,
 
  This is an excellent initiative and just what we are looking for in the
  Pacific. We are thinking of 3 versions of the SD Card,

 Hi Ian,
 I'm wondering about your creation method that you plan on using, are you
 planning to create the initial SDcard then adding your content with the
 intent on cloning the configured SDcard later?


  one each for
  primary, secondary and TVET. We are collecting a good range of content
  with
  some focussed on the Pacific, but we are also looking at people creating
  their own or adapting them to suit local conditions and adding it to the
  pool
 
  BTY, have you seen the TVET equivalent of Khan?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqcaxsyK0E
 
  Please keep us in the loop
 
  Ian
 

 Now to clear some misconceptions and classify some limitations.


 
  On 16 August 2015 at 13:05, Adam Holt h...@laptop.org wrote:
 
   What filesystem would people recommend for ~128GB SD cards inserted
   into
   XO laptops or XSCE servers heading far afield, to insert very large
   (evolving?) digital libraries just like Internet-in-a-Box?
  
   Multiyear reliability for all this content would be important, but some
   say ext4 (slow journaled filesystems?) have their own problems on SD?
  
   Is wear-leveling of modern SD cards (Flash memory) fully taken care of
   by
   the largest manufacturers/drivers already, or should we seek out
   particular
   filesystems/drivers?  And unmount / power off carefully etc?
  

 /library contains databases and squid's cache it is going to be linux only
 period. Which type of linux filesystem is open for debate.


   In-country copying and eventually in-country remixing of SD cards
   (containing local-language, local-vid cultural jewels) would be
   Absolutely
   Wonderful -- if we can achieve that by using a filesystem that works
   instantly (exFAT?
 That needs added support to be useful.

   NTFS
 That should be included out of the box but speak up if you find that
 lacking in what you are using.

 ?) across all Windows and Mac computers ideally?  For
   all static content anyway, on 1 partition of several?  Accelerating
   dup'ing
   of SD cards as a bonus?!
  

 I support the reading of all filesystem types for content importing
 purposes for use within the XSCE but we can't really make use of non-linux
 filesystems within the running system without jumping through hoops(with
 lookback mounts sort of like a swapfile). We can set aside some space but
 it would be a trade-off against what is available for the system. I think
 the entire configured SDcard should be linux for the system, with content
 that has not be pre-installed be available on different physical media,
 like with activities and usbmount.

 Once the content is added/imported you can clone the SDcard, now there is a
 project create a cloning playbook.

 Now *maybe* in the future new playbooks to export data, think directory
 tree here for lets say portal for use/editing elsewhere in zip format. The
 export could go to a non-linux file system if that support is installed.
 Now the import could unzip the tree back into place, ensure the permissions
 are sane and restart the service. Or whatever data/zims/pubs/ you're
 messing with the pull request would be welcome. We have a pretty good
 handle