Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?

2016-04-06 Thread Adam Holt 
Profound thanks to Peter Robinson for holding up the fort -- even if he
Can't join all of us for the amazing http://linuxfestnorthwest.org North of
Seattle in 2+ weeks, where Fedora will very well represented!

Still, if Peter's available this year to put on his makeup in the
Australian desert, he should be #1 on our list when Unleash Kids restarts
our video interviews across the OLPC/Sugar community(*)

(*) or post-OLPC/Sugar community to keep the gloomy depressives solidly
hooked+loyal...as sky-is-falling negativity sells right off the charts
according to this Mr T guy whose building in NYC I keep walking by...he
even has red ballcaps imprinted with "Make the Internet Great Again" to
fund us apparently ;)


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Jerry Vonau  wrote:

>
> > On April 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM Peter Robinson 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Vonau  wrote:
> > >> On April 6, 2016 at 8:46 AM Tim Moody  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jerry could list the problems he's aware of.
> > >>
> > >
> > > For F23+ we have some ansible issues out of the box:
> > >
> > > https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/126
> >
> > There's a work around for that in the ticket
> > https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/126#comment:5
> >
>
> Yes I know, I added the required rpms to %packages before ansible is called
> in %post[1]. I'm using livecd-creator for F23, looking to switch over to
> lorax for F24, just waiting to see how things shakeout rich_deps/dnf wise.
>
> > > Along with some early dnf dependency resolution issues, I don't recall
> > > the
> > > full details of, think it is related to the use of repoquery --alldeps.
> >
> > For aarch64? Any issues there please come to the arm mailing list or
> > IRC channel #fedora-arm and ask so we can fix them. They're generally
> > transitorary but if not we need to know about it.
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/a...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> >
>
> No, not just aarch64, dnf in general, while building live-F23isos I was
> facing dependency resolution issues when adding devel rpm packages to the
> build via ansible. The workaround I used was to declare the devel rpms in
> %packages, letting yum(via livecd-creator) deal with the dependencies. For
> example:
> ---
> TASK: [xsce-admin | Install packages for cmdsrv]
> **
> failed: [127.0.0.1] =>
>
> (item=gcc,gcc-c++,php-devel,php-pear,python-devel,python-pip,zeromq3-devel,cracklib-python)
> => {"changed": true, "item":
>
> "gcc,gcc-c++,php-devel,php-pear,python-devel,python-pip,zeromq3-devel,cracklib-python",
> "rc": 1, "results": ["python-pip-6.0.8-1.fc22.noarch providing python-pip
> is already installed", "Last metadata expiration check performed 0:00:52
> ago on Tue Apr  5 14:15:34 2016.\n(try to add '--allowerasing' to command
> line to replace conflicting packages)\n"]}
> msg: Yum command has been deprecated, redirecting to '/usr/bin/dnf -d 2 -y
> install gcc gcc-c++ php-devel php-pear python-devel zeromq3-devel
> cracklib-python'.
> See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information.
> To transfer transaction metadata from yum to DNF, run:
> 'dnf install python-dnf-plugins-extras-migrate && dnf-2 migrate'
>
> Error: package php-devel-5.6.8-1.fc22.i686 requires php-cli(x86-32) =
> 5.6.8-1.fc22, but none of the providers can be installed
>
> 
>
> The above error is typical of what I was seeing on F23, this is a 64bit box
> should be 32bit free unless asked to install i686. I haven't tried a F23
> respin lately, might be much better today. Now in the last week a respin of
> F22 was acting as above, but doesn't occur today. The latest updates
> corrected the issue, just not sure which one caused this issue for me. I'm
> just glad it's resolved now.
>
> Jerry
>
> 1.
> https://github.com/XSCE/xsce/blob/master/installer/livecd/Fedora-23/ks.cfg
>
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?

2016-04-06 Thread Tim Moody 
Jerry could list the problems he's aware of.

But if you can get 64bit F24 running on Pine64, then you can use 
https://github.com/XSCE/xsce/wiki/XSCE-Installation#do-everything-from-scratch 
to install XSCE with ansible.  At that point you can tell us what works and 
what doesn't.

I ordered mine in Feb and am still waiting for delivery.

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:38 AM
> To: Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com>
> Cc: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com; Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>; server-
> devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most
> ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?
> 
> Not sure how they do that. If it's done with something like ansible it would
> be very easy to migrate to new releases.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> wrote:
> > Jerry and George spent a lot of time migrating legacy XS code from F18 to
> F22.  There is more work to get to F24.  I agree that we want to get there.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:42 AM
> >> To: Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com>
> >> Cc: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com; Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>;
> server-
> >> devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s)
> >> most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> wrote:
> >> > For xsce I'd start with f22.  You can look at the rpi images on
> >> > xsce.org/downloads
> >>
> >> They're 32 bit ARMv7 are they not? Personally I'd be starting with
> >> Fedora 24 as you'll have support until July 2017, instead of the 3 or
> >> so months left for for F-22. Also for an aarch64 device F-23+ is highly
> recommended.
> >>
> >> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  Original message 
> >> > From: Alex Perez <ape...@alexperez.com>
> >> > Date: 4/2/2016 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
> >> > To: Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>
> >> > Cc: server-devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>,
> >> > xsce-de...@googlegroups.com
> >> > Subject: [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable
> >> > for OLPC fieldwork?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Will the $15 http://pine64.com (which just raised $1.7M) become
> >> > genuinely productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB
> >> > MicroSD cards by late 2016?  On the bright side, it accommodates
> >> > 128GB maximum, which is exactly what we need on the high end in
> 2016.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Looping back on this...
> >> >
> >> > My PINE64 arrived in the mail today. Mine is the 2GB RAM variant,
> >> > with gigabit ethernet, but no bluetooth or Wi-Fi (which is an
> >> > add-in
> >> > module)
> >> >
> >> >  I actually have a couple of 200GB microSD cards that I just
> >> > acquired, and I’ll be putting it through its paces. The SanDisk
> >> > SDSDQUAN-200G-G4A retails for $249, but the actual street prices
> >> > are
> >> > $80 (on Amazon)
> >> >
> >> > I suspect it will work fine in the PINE64. Does anyone here have
> >> > any recommendations for putting XSCE through its paces, or
> >> > otherwise stress-testing the install, besides normal benchmarking
> >> > of static HTTP page load performance.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Alex Perez
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?

2016-04-06 Thread Peter Robinson 
Not sure how they do that. If it's done with something like ansible it
would be very easy to migrate to new releases.

Peter

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> wrote:
> Jerry and George spent a lot of time migrating legacy XS code from F18 to 
> F22.  There is more work to get to F24.  I agree that we want to get there.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:42 AM
>> To: Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com>
>> Cc: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com; Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>; server-
>> devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most
>> ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> wrote:
>> > For xsce I'd start with f22.  You can look at the rpi images on
>> > xsce.org/downloads
>>
>> They're 32 bit ARMv7 are they not? Personally I'd be starting with Fedora 24
>> as you'll have support until July 2017, instead of the 3 or so months left 
>> for for
>> F-22. Also for an aarch64 device F-23+ is highly recommended.
>>
>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> >
>> >
>> >  Original message 
>> > From: Alex Perez <ape...@alexperez.com>
>> > Date: 4/2/2016 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> > To: Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>
>> > Cc: server-devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>,
>> > xsce-de...@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable
>> > for OLPC fieldwork?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Will the $15 http://pine64.com (which just raised $1.7M) become
>> > genuinely productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB
>> > MicroSD cards by late 2016?  On the bright side, it accommodates 128GB
>> > maximum, which is exactly what we need on the high end in 2016.
>> >
>> >
>> > Looping back on this...
>> >
>> > My PINE64 arrived in the mail today. Mine is the 2GB RAM variant, with
>> > gigabit ethernet, but no bluetooth or Wi-Fi (which is an add-in
>> > module)
>> >
>> >  I actually have a couple of 200GB microSD cards that I just acquired,
>> > and I’ll be putting it through its paces. The SanDisk
>> > SDSDQUAN-200G-G4A retails for $249, but the actual street prices are
>> > $80 (on Amazon)
>> >
>> > I suspect it will work fine in the PINE64. Does anyone here have any
>> > recommendations for putting XSCE through its paces, or otherwise
>> > stress-testing the install, besides normal benchmarking of static HTTP
>> > page load performance.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Alex Perez
>> >
>> >
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>> > Server-devel@lists.laptop.org
>> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
>> >
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?

2016-04-06 Thread Tim Moody 
Jerry and George spent a lot of time migrating legacy XS code from F18 to F22.  
There is more work to get to F24.  I agree that we want to get there.

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:42 AM
> To: Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com>
> Cc: xsce-de...@googlegroups.com; Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>; server-
> devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>
> Subject: Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most
> ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Tim Moody <t...@timmoody.com> wrote:
> > For xsce I'd start with f22.  You can look at the rpi images on
> > xsce.org/downloads
> 
> They're 32 bit ARMv7 are they not? Personally I'd be starting with Fedora 24
> as you'll have support until July 2017, instead of the 3 or so months left 
> for for
> F-22. Also for an aarch64 device F-23+ is highly recommended.
> 
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Alex Perez <ape...@alexperez.com>
> > Date: 4/2/2016 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>
> > Cc: server-devel <server-devel@lists.laptop.org>,
> > xsce-de...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable
> > for OLPC fieldwork?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> > Will the $15 http://pine64.com (which just raised $1.7M) become
> > genuinely productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB
> > MicroSD cards by late 2016?  On the bright side, it accommodates 128GB
> > maximum, which is exactly what we need on the high end in 2016.
> >
> >
> > Looping back on this...
> >
> > My PINE64 arrived in the mail today. Mine is the 2GB RAM variant, with
> > gigabit ethernet, but no bluetooth or Wi-Fi (which is an add-in
> > module)
> >
> >  I actually have a couple of 200GB microSD cards that I just acquired,
> > and I’ll be putting it through its paces. The SanDisk
> > SDSDQUAN-200G-G4A retails for $249, but the actual street prices are
> > $80 (on Amazon)
> >
> > I suspect it will work fine in the PINE64. Does anyone here have any
> > recommendations for putting XSCE through its paces, or otherwise
> > stress-testing the install, besides normal benchmarking of static HTTP
> > page load performance.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex Perez
> >
> >
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?

2016-04-06 Thread Peter Robinson 
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Tim Moody  wrote:
> For xsce I'd start with f22.  You can look at the rpi images on
> xsce.org/downloads

They're 32 bit ARMv7 are they not? Personally I'd be starting with
Fedora 24 as you'll have support until July 2017, instead of the 3 or
so months left for for F-22. Also for an aarch64 device F-23+ is
highly recommended.

> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Alex Perez 
> Date: 4/2/2016 2:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Adam Holt 
> Cc: server-devel ,
> xsce-de...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC
> fieldwork?
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> Will the $15 http://pine64.com (which just raised $1.7M) become genuinely
> productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB MicroSD cards by
> late 2016?  On the bright side, it accommodates 128GB maximum, which is
> exactly what we need on the high end in 2016.
>
>
> Looping back on this...
>
> My PINE64 arrived in the mail today. Mine is the 2GB RAM variant, with
> gigabit ethernet, but no bluetooth or Wi-Fi (which is an add-in module)
>
>  I actually have a couple of 200GB microSD cards that I just acquired, and
> I’ll be putting it through its paces. The SanDisk SDSDQUAN-200G-G4A retails
> for $249, but the actual street prices are $80 (on Amazon)
>
> I suspect it will work fine in the PINE64. Does anyone here have any
> recommendations for putting XSCE through its paces, or otherwise
> stress-testing the install, besides normal benchmarking of static HTTP page
> load performance.
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
>
>
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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?

2016-04-02 Thread Tim Moody 
For xsce I'd start with f22.  You can look at the rpi images on 
xsce.org/downloads


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: Alex Perez  Date: 
4/2/2016  2:12 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Adam Holt  
Cc: server-devel , 
xsce-de...@googlegroups.com Subject: [XSCE] Re: [UKids] Raspberri 
Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork? 


> On Feb 6, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> Will the $15 http://pine64.com  (which just raised $1.7M) 
> become genuinely productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB 
> MicroSD cards by late 2016?  On the bright side, it accommodates 128GB 
> maximum, which is exactly what we need on the high end in 2016.

Looping back on this...

My PINE64 arrived in the mail today. Mine is the 2GB RAM variant, with gigabit 
ethernet, but no bluetooth or Wi-Fi (which is an add-in module)

 I actually have a couple of 200GB microSD cards that I just acquired, and I’ll 
be putting it through its paces. The SanDisk SDSDQUAN-200G-G4A retails for 
$249, but the actual street prices are $80 (on Amazon)

I suspect it will work fine in the PINE64. Does anyone here have any 
recommendations for putting XSCE through its paces, or otherwise stress-testing 
the install, besides normal benchmarking of static HTTP page load performance.

Regards,
Alex Perez

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