Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] xsce on centos/rpi3

2016-12-13 Thread Adam Holt 
On Dec 13, 2016 7:53 PM, "Anish Mangal"  wrote:

Are we supporting two OSes or switching to debian as base?

Supporting two OSes sounds too (two) cumbersome. The latter would make more
sense if indeed it is happening.


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For what release is this scheduled?


XSCE 6.2 officially, but Raspbian worked well with George's 6.1 derivative
earlier this autumn.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Anish Mangal  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone has tried installing XSCE on centos on rpi3, and
>>> faced issues. Planning to try this out now that I have rpi3's
>>>
>>
>> Not yet.  Most of us are using Raspbian (see Nov 30's
>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/)
>>
>
> Just FYI a new development is that a growing number of kickass deployments
> are asking me for the full Raspian ("Pixel" takes up 3GB more disk "Lite"
> version, likewise its zip/download is 1.1GB larger) as it provides an
> increasingly well-rounded learning suite for remote teachers/techs/kids to
> learn Linux & much more:
>
>http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
>
> Aside: currently lacking Sugar regrettably, and not quite as well packaged
> for educators as those other Brits @ https://twitter.com/teamkano.
> Naturally there are other deployments that do not want these 3GB of
> learning/IT tools, as things boot faster without, and traditionalists do
> not want visual tools (X Windows).
>
> In essence it took half a decade, but the $35 computer is now unleashing a
> lot of field innovation across these 2 categories primarily:
> 1) "one RPi3 per child" deployments who require modern visual tools on
> each RPi3 (and can afford a cheap LCD per child/seat)
> 2) "one RPi3 server per classroom" deployments (who may or may not be able
> to afford an LCD or projector for the teacher)
>
> Of course there are many of both types of learning communities above and
> others, who do not always see eye to eye (imagine that, another culture
> war, what a surprise ;)  So our Mission is to encourage maximum
> cross-fertilization across these most practical scenarios--wherever we can,
> despite not-invented-here bubbles of innovation--embracing creative
> cross-collaboration / proven best practices as a larger force than
> infantile infighting, across an entire planet of fantastically passionate
> grassroots implementers~
>
> In many cases Sugarizer-on-XSCE/IIAB can provide a partial answer.  But
> Tony Anderson is correct to remind us Sugarizer does not yet provide nearly
> as rich an experience as full Sugar.  Meantime all educators cry out for
> platform stability that constructionism ironically relies on, so
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8 on XO laptops is a big
> step forward with Sugar 0.110, thanks to James Cameron!
>
> or FedBerry (http://fedberry.org) as HW/networking support (Bluetooth,
>> WiFi, etc) is far better.
>>
>> In future CentOS may catch up; these 3 people are certainly trying:
>> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
>>
>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anish
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>



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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] xsce on centos/rpi3

2016-12-13 Thread Anish Mangal 
Are we supporting two OSes or switching to debian as base?

Supporting two OSes sounds too (two) cumbersome. The latter would make more
sense if indeed it is happening.

For what release is this scheduled?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Anish Mangal  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone has tried installing XSCE on centos on rpi3, and
>>> faced issues. Planning to try this out now that I have rpi3's
>>>
>>
>> Not yet.  Most of us are using Raspbian (see Nov 30's
>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/)
>>
>
> Just FYI a new development is that a growing number of kickass deployments
> are asking me for the full Raspian ("Pixel" takes up 3GB more disk "Lite"
> version, likewise its zip/download is 1.1GB larger) as it provides an
> increasingly well-rounded learning suite for remote teachers/techs/kids to
> learn Linux & much more:
>
>http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
>
> Aside: currently lacking Sugar regrettably, and not quite as well packaged
> for educators as those other Brits @ https://twitter.com/teamkano.
> Naturally there are other deployments that do not want these 3GB of
> learning/IT tools, as things boot faster without, and traditionalists do
> not want visual tools (X Windows).
>
> In essence it took half a decade, but the $35 computer is now unleashing a
> lot of field innovation across these 2 categories primarily:
> 1) "one RPi3 per child" deployments who require modern visual tools on
> each RPi3 (and can afford a cheap LCD per child/seat)
> 2) "one RPi3 server per classroom" deployments (who may or may not be able
> to afford an LCD or projector for the teacher)
>
> Of course there are many of both types of learning communities above and
> others, who do not always see eye to eye (imagine that, another culture
> war, what a surprise ;)  So our Mission is to encourage maximum
> cross-fertilization across these most practical scenarios--wherever we can,
> despite not-invented-here bubbles of innovation--embracing creative
> cross-collaboration / proven best practices as a larger force than
> infantile infighting, across an entire planet of fantastically passionate
> grassroots implementers~
>
> In many cases Sugarizer-on-XSCE/IIAB can provide a partial answer.  But
> Tony Anderson is correct to remind us Sugarizer does not yet provide nearly
> as rich an experience as full Sugar.  Meantime all educators cry out for
> platform stability that constructionism ironically relies on, so
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8 on XO laptops is a big
> step forward with Sugar 0.110, thanks to James Cameron!
>
> or FedBerry (http://fedberry.org) as HW/networking support (Bluetooth,
>> WiFi, etc) is far better.
>>
>> In future CentOS may catch up; these 3 people are certainly trying:
>> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
>>
>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anish
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>



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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] xsce on centos/rpi3

2016-12-13 Thread James Cameron 
Yes, the Rpi3, clones, and similar devices are encouraging.

We have everything needed for Sugar 0.110 on the Rpi3 within Raspbian
as a desktop option or as applications within the desktop.

I've done tests in my lab as part of testing Sugar for the OLPC
laptops.  My collection of Rpi3 have helped with my recent work on
OLPC OS 16.04.2 on Ubuntu 16.04 and OLPC OS 13.2.8 on Fedora 18.

But my focus is still on OLPC laptops, and so I'm not really in a
position to fully support Rpi3 yet.  The OLPC laptops have the best
Sugar experience, in my biased opinion.

Developers who wish to be involved on a Sugar on Raspbian push should
be talking on sugar-devel@ and taking the lead from Jonas Smedegaard
and Sebastian Silva.  Their work is packaging and integrating, using
resources such as the Debian git repositories, package tracker, bug
tracker, package archive, and mailing lists.  Tip of the iceberg
occasionally shows on sugar-devel@ or Sugar git repositories;
especially noisy last couple of days.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 04:20:11AM -0500, Adam Holt wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Adam Holt <[1]h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Anish Mangal <[2]anis...@umich.edu> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> Wondering if anyone has tried installing XSCE on centos on rpi3, and
> faced issues. Planning to try this out now that I have rpi3's
> 
> Not yet.  Most of us are using Raspbian (see Nov 30's [3]https://
> www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/)
> 
> Just FYI a new development is that a growing number of kickass deployments are
> asking me for the full Raspian ("Pixel" takes up 3GB more disk "Lite" version,
> likewise its zip/download is 1.1GB larger) as it provides an increasingly
> well-rounded learning suite for remote teachers/techs/kids to learn Linux &
> much more:
> 
>    [4]http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
> 
> Aside: currently lacking Sugar regrettably, and not quite as well packaged for
> educators as those other Brits @ [5]https://twitter.com/teamkano.  Naturally
> there are other deployments that do not want these 3GB of learning/IT tools, 
> as
> things boot faster without, and traditionalists do not want visual tools (X
> Windows).
> 
> In essence it took half a decade, but the $35 computer is now unleashing a lot
> of field innovation across these 2 categories primarily:
> 1) "one RPi3 per child" deployments who require modern visual tools on each
> RPi3 (and can afford a cheap LCD per child/seat)
> 2) "one RPi3 server per classroom" deployments (who may or may not be able to
> afford an LCD or projector for the teacher)
> 
> Of course there are many of both types of learning communities above and
> others, who do not always see eye to eye (imagine that, another culture war,
> what a surprise ;)  So our Mission is to encourage maximum cross-fertilization
> across these most practical scenarios--wherever we can, despite
> not-invented-here bubbles of innovation--embracing creative 
> cross-collaboration
> / proven best practices as a larger force than infantile infighting, across an
> entire planet of fantastically passionate grassroots implementers~
> 
> In many cases Sugarizer-on-XSCE/IIAB can provide a partial answer.  But Tony
> Anderson is correct to remind us Sugarizer does not yet provide nearly as rich
> an experience as full Sugar.  Meantime all educators cry out for platform
> stability that constructionism ironically relies on, so [6]http://
> wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8 on XO laptops is a big step forward
> with Sugar 0.110, thanks to James Cameron!
> 
> or FedBerry ([7]http://fedberry.org) as HW/networking support (Bluetooth,
> WiFi, etc) is far better.
> 
> In future CentOS may catch up; these 3 people are certainly trying:
> [8]https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
>  
> 
> Best,
> Anish
> 
> --
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [9]http://unleashkids.org !
> 
> --
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [10]http://unleashkids.org !
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] mailto:h...@laptop.org
> [2] mailto:anis...@umich.edu
> [3] https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/
> [4] http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt
> [5] https://twitter.com/teamkano
> [6] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8
> [7] http://fedberry.org/
> [8] https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
> [9] http://unleashkids.org/
> [10] http://unleashkids.org/

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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] xsce on centos/rpi3

2016-12-13 Thread Adam Holt 
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Anish Mangal  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Wondering if anyone has tried installing XSCE on centos on rpi3, and
>> faced issues. Planning to try this out now that I have rpi3's
>>
>
> Not yet.  Most of us are using Raspbian (see Nov 30's
> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/)
>

Just FYI a new development is that a growing number of kickass deployments
are asking me for the full Raspian ("Pixel" takes up 3GB more disk "Lite"
version, likewise its zip/download is 1.1GB larger) as it provides an
increasingly well-rounded learning suite for remote teachers/techs/kids to
learn Linux & much more:

   http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/release_notes.txt

Aside: currently lacking Sugar regrettably, and not quite as well packaged
for educators as those other Brits @ https://twitter.com/teamkano.
Naturally there are other deployments that do not want these 3GB of
learning/IT tools, as things boot faster without, and traditionalists do
not want visual tools (X Windows).

In essence it took half a decade, but the $35 computer is now unleashing a
lot of field innovation across these 2 categories primarily:
1) "one RPi3 per child" deployments who require modern visual tools on each
RPi3 (and can afford a cheap LCD per child/seat)
2) "one RPi3 server per classroom" deployments (who may or may not be able
to afford an LCD or projector for the teacher)

Of course there are many of both types of learning communities above and
others, who do not always see eye to eye (imagine that, another culture
war, what a surprise ;)  So our Mission is to encourage maximum
cross-fertilization across these most practical scenarios--wherever we can,
despite not-invented-here bubbles of innovation--embracing creative
cross-collaboration / proven best practices as a larger force than
infantile infighting, across an entire planet of fantastically passionate
grassroots implementers~

In many cases Sugarizer-on-XSCE/IIAB can provide a partial answer.  But
Tony Anderson is correct to remind us Sugarizer does not yet provide nearly
as rich an experience as full Sugar.  Meantime all educators cry out for
platform stability that constructionism ironically relies on, so
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.8 on XO laptops is a big step
forward with Sugar 0.110, thanks to James Cameron!

or FedBerry (http://fedberry.org) as HW/networking support (Bluetooth,
> WiFi, etc) is far better.
>
> In future CentOS may catch up; these 3 people are certainly trying:
> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html
>
>
>> Best,
>> Anish
>>
>
> --
> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>



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Re: [Server-devel] [XSCE] xsce on centos/rpi3

2016-12-13 Thread Adam Holt 
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Anish Mangal  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Wondering if anyone has tried installing XSCE on centos on rpi3, and faced
> issues. Planning to try this out now that I have rpi3's
>

Not yet.  Most of us are using Raspbian (see Nov 30's
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/a-security-update-for-raspbian-pixel/) or
FedBerry (http://fedberry.org) as HW/networking support (Bluetooth, WiFi,
etc) is far better.

In future CentOS may catch up; these 3 people are certainly trying:
https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-December/162276.html


> Best,
> Anish
>

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