Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Tarun Pondicherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They need to copy and paste from Write. I can enable copy and paste > icons in the editor to make that easier. There is a security issue with JS-driven "paste", so the "paste" button doesn't work out of the box in FF. We might have to "whitelist" the XS to allow paste to happen. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Greg, > I think its OK if you refresh and change the screen if a kid changes > which blog he wants to send the content to. My only concern is if they > write the blog post then clik on something that changes the page and > they lose all their work. We want to avoid them losing what they type > in the HTML input field no matter what. I see the concern. Is it something we can address after the beta test? > You are making great progress! Since you sound caught up, let me raise > a fresh point :-) > > Pablo and the teachers were very concerned that the kids be able to > write the blog posts offline. Then put them in to edublog when they > are connected to it or the Internet. > > I said he can write text and images in the XO Write tool then copy and > paste in later. That seemed to work for me. However, now that you are > talking about a "local blog" I'm wondering if there is another option. > Let me know what you think is best in that area. They need to copy and paste from Write. I can enable copy and paste icons in the editor to make that easier. The blogs are only local in the sense that they reside on the School Server. It can also still be visible from the web if desired. Kids will not need internet access but need to have XS connectivity. For true offline blogging, we would need to have code installed on the XO. (Write modification or separate activity). > Also on the "local Blog" concept. If you don't hide it, what would it > contain? Is it only the posts from that kid or is it a full local > version of the non-local blog? Its a full version of the non local blog. Essentially it is an OU Blog instance. The added feature will auto push all these posts to a remote site or posts selected by the teacher to a remote site. Currently, its a one way to the remote site. But, better synchronization is feasible in future versions. I uploaded a newer version of the mockup page. Let me know if the upload issue is fixed. If not, I think the alternative could be to just display a regular file input box on non XO machines. I figure they would be familiar with it if they are using a non XO environment anyway. Thanks, Tarun ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Tarun, Great progress! On this: "In that case I'm confused why there needed to be two options for the student "post to local blog" and "post to internet blog" when we did the mockups." I thought those were just two different blog choices. Since we didn't have the "local blog" at that time I thought you were just showing a second blog choice. I think its OK if you refresh and change the screen if a kid changes which blog he wants to send the content to. My only concern is if they write the blog post then clik on something that changes the page and they lose all their work. We want to avoid them losing what they type in the HTML input field no matter what. The need to click on the extreme left of the upload icon was seen on FF3 on XP for me. You are making great progress! Since you sound caught up, let me raise a fresh point :-) Pablo and the teachers were very concerned that the kids be able to write the blog posts offline. Then put them in to edublog when they are connected to it or the Internet. I said he can write text and images in the XO Write tool then copy and paste in later. That seemed to work for me. However, now that you are talking about a "local blog" I'm wondering if there is another option. Let me know what you think is best in that area. Also on the "local Blog" concept. If you don't hide it, what would it contain? Is it only the posts from that kid or is it a full local version of the non-local blog? I think/hope we will have the new server online Monday. Do you, Marcel or Said have any idea how much time it will take to upload your latest code to that and start using it for beta test if we get it online w/ XS-163 by Monday? Thanks, Greg S Tarun Pondicherry wrote: > Hi Greg, >> That was my intention originally but I'm not sure its critical at this >> stage. I think its all right if the teacher can choose from many >> available blogs and just show one or two to the kids at a time. > There is a select box at the top that shows all the different blogs > (Comes with Moodle). The page needs to be reloaded if a different blog > is selected. >> If the kids can choose from a menu of many blogs (frog, cricket, >> turtle, etc) that was my original intention but it may also be confusing. >> >> BTW I never meant to make a distinction between "internal" and >> "external" blogs in the first place. I think it would be helpful to >> know if the post will go public or just within the school or other >> restricted access network. > In that case I'm confused why there needed to be two options for the > student "post to local blog" and "post to internet blog" when we did the > mockups. For a development point of view, we need to post to a local > blog before publishing to Blogger (if needed we can hide the local blog > and delete from it as posts are uploaded). This is incase errors occur > during posting to Blogger and it needs to be reposted. >> If you only have the option to post to two different blogs, they could >> be totally different. e.g. internal blog has homework submissions and >> external has pictures of what the kids do for fun. > They would have to click on the jump to xyz blog to change. This lets > the teacher's custom text change and resets options. We can look into a > more AJAX approach in the next version. For the time being, I think we > need to reload the page when they choose a new blog. >> Are you thinking that internal blog and external blog have the same >> content? > Yes. All content goes to the local blog. From there it gets pushed out > by the teacher or automatically as students post depending on how it is > set up. If we hide those local blogs, then the system is just like what > you described. I've already coded the approval feature for locally run > blogs as well. Can I leave that in there? > > I think I understand what you envision now. I'll modify it to reflect > that. >> On the review of current site, I have some HTML tweaks (e.g. image >> upload "hot area" is not exactly on t he image so its hard to hit) > Just got a dev XO, so I should be able to fix that soon. (If the issue > is with another browser, let me know). I am using that same editor in > the Moodle version, so any input on that is very useful. We also have > the option of 5 other standard editors for more advanced users (comes > with the choosen branch of Moodle). > > Thanks, > Tarun > ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Greg, > That was my intention originally but I'm not sure its critical at this > stage. I think its all right if the teacher can choose from many > available blogs and just show one or two to the kids at a time. There is a select box at the top that shows all the different blogs (Comes with Moodle). The page needs to be reloaded if a different blog is selected. > If the kids can choose from a menu of many blogs (frog, cricket, > turtle, etc) that was my original intention but it may also be confusing. > > BTW I never meant to make a distinction between "internal" and > "external" blogs in the first place. I think it would be helpful to > know if the post will go public or just within the school or other > restricted access network. In that case I'm confused why there needed to be two options for the student "post to local blog" and "post to internet blog" when we did the mockups. For a development point of view, we need to post to a local blog before publishing to Blogger (if needed we can hide the local blog and delete from it as posts are uploaded). This is incase errors occur during posting to Blogger and it needs to be reposted. > If you only have the option to post to two different blogs, they could > be totally different. e.g. internal blog has homework submissions and > external has pictures of what the kids do for fun. They would have to click on the jump to xyz blog to change. This lets the teacher's custom text change and resets options. We can look into a more AJAX approach in the next version. For the time being, I think we need to reload the page when they choose a new blog. > Are you thinking that internal blog and external blog have the same > content? Yes. All content goes to the local blog. From there it gets pushed out by the teacher or automatically as students post depending on how it is set up. If we hide those local blogs, then the system is just like what you described. I've already coded the approval feature for locally run blogs as well. Can I leave that in there? I think I understand what you envision now. I'll modify it to reflect that. > On the review of current site, I have some HTML tweaks (e.g. image > upload "hot area" is not exactly on t he image so its hard to hit) Just got a dev XO, so I should be able to fix that soon. (If the issue is with another browser, let me know). I am using that same editor in the Moodle version, so any input on that is very useful. We also have the option of 5 other standard editors for more advanced users (comes with the choosen branch of Moodle). Thanks, Tarun ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was my intention originally but I'm not sure its critical at this > stage. I think its all right if the teacher can choose from many > available blogs and just show one or two to the kids at a time. > > If the kids can choose from a menu of many blogs (frog, cricket, turtle, > etc) that was my original intention but it may also be confusing. I think the issue of confusion outweighs the usefulness. The code has to support many possible blog engines/types to connect to, but a 1-to-1 relationship between each course blog (oublog "instance" in moodle parlance) and an external blog is sane, simple and non-confusing. > BTW I never meant to make a distinction between "internal" and > "external" blogs in the first place. I think it would be helpful to know > if the post will go public or just within the school or other restricted > access network. Agreed here too. All blog posts are "local" and have the option of being "on the internet-based blog" too. That will help to keep things simple in the UI, and not have to explain too many things... cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Tarun, That was my intention originally but I'm not sure its critical at this stage. I think its all right if the teacher can choose from many available blogs and just show one or two to the kids at a time. If the kids can choose from a menu of many blogs (frog, cricket, turtle, etc) that was my original intention but it may also be confusing. BTW I never meant to make a distinction between "internal" and "external" blogs in the first place. I think it would be helpful to know if the post will go public or just within the school or other restricted access network. If you only have the option to post to two different blogs, they could be totally different. e.g. internal blog has homework submissions and external has pictures of what the kids do for fun. Are you thinking that internal blog and external blog have the same content? The only blog post distinction I was thinking of was: post directly without teacher approval needed and send to teacher for approval before post. HTHs. On the review of current site, I have some HTML tweaks (e.g. image upload "hot area" is not exactly on t he image so its hard to hit) is that kind of comments relevant/useful or should I ask people to hold tweaks like that until next week when we hope to have new version posted on the new server? Just trying to set the right expectation before I send out this URL for review: http://olpc.betarun.com/dev/ui/student_sp.php Thanks, Greg S Tarun Pondicherry wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Do the kids need to choose between different external blogs? So far, > I've seen this as one local blog (OU Blog course1blog) tied to one > remote blog (Blogger uruguay-xo-test). Will course1blog need the option > to post to more than one remoteblog at the same time and let kids select > that information? > > Thanks, > Tarun > > Greg Smith wrote: >> Hi Tarun, >> >> That sounds OK in general but I have a few comments and clarifications. >> >> Make sure the kids know if their post is going to the teacher or >> directly to the blog. >> >> I think the "internal" vs. "external" or "local" vs. "remote" >> designations were meant to separate blogs which are on the local >> school server and only visible from within the school network vs. >> blogs that are on the internet and visible from anywhere on the internet. >> >> We can get rid of that concept and assume that the blog name will be >> familiar to the kids and they will know which posts go to the internet. >> >> The other separation is between blog posts which must be >> edited/approved by the teacher vs. those that get posted to the blog >> directly without further edit. That is what the teacher can select and >> what I hope the kids see from their blog entry page. >> >> Also, we still want the option to post to more than one blog (e.g. >> post to frog blog on Moodle or to turtle blog on blogger.com or to >> grade 1 blog on blogger etc.). The teacher should have the ability to >> enable one or the other blog for the kids. >> >> HTHs. Let me know if that input is not clear or doesn't answer your >> questions. >> >> Once we get a look at it (hopefully next week) I think it will become >> more clear. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg S > > ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Greg, Do the kids need to choose between different external blogs? So far, I've seen this as one local blog (OU Blog course1blog) tied to one remote blog (Blogger uruguay-xo-test). Will course1blog need the option to post to more than one remoteblog at the same time and let kids select that information? Thanks, Tarun Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Tarun, > > That sounds OK in general but I have a few comments and clarifications. > > Make sure the kids know if their post is going to the teacher or > directly to the blog. > > I think the "internal" vs. "external" or "local" vs. "remote" > designations were meant to separate blogs which are on the local > school server and only visible from within the school network vs. > blogs that are on the internet and visible from anywhere on the internet. > > We can get rid of that concept and assume that the blog name will be > familiar to the kids and they will know which posts go to the internet. > > The other separation is between blog posts which must be > edited/approved by the teacher vs. those that get posted to the blog > directly without further edit. That is what the teacher can select and > what I hope the kids see from their blog entry page. > > Also, we still want the option to post to more than one blog (e.g. > post to frog blog on Moodle or to turtle blog on blogger.com or to > grade 1 blog on blogger etc.). The teacher should have the ability to > enable one or the other blog for the kids. > > HTHs. Let me know if that input is not clear or doesn't answer your > questions. > > Once we get a look at it (hopefully next week) I think it will become > more clear. > > Thanks, > > Greg S ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Tarun, That sounds OK in general but I have a few comments and clarifications. Make sure the kids know if their post is going to the teacher or directly to the blog. I think the "internal" vs. "external" or "local" vs. "remote" designations were meant to separate blogs which are on the local school server and only visible from within the school network vs. blogs that are on the internet and visible from anywhere on the internet. We can get rid of that concept and assume that the blog name will be familiar to the kids and they will know which posts go to the internet. The other separation is between blog posts which must be edited/approved by the teacher vs. those that get posted to the blog directly without further edit. That is what the teacher can select and what I hope the kids see from their blog entry page. Also, we still want the option to post to more than one blog (e.g. post to frog blog on Moodle or to turtle blog on blogger.com or to grade 1 blog on blogger etc.). The teacher should have the ability to enable one or the other blog for the kids. HTHs. Let me know if that input is not clear or doesn't answer your questions. Once we get a look at it (hopefully next week) I think it will become more clear. Thanks, Greg S Tarun Pondicherry wrote: > Hi Greg, > > I think we should separate the teacher approval from remote blogging > features to make the system more flexible. It will make it easier to > implement and I think easier to use. It will also allow people to use > remote blogging and teacher approval independently. > > What I suggest is the following: > > On the teacher's create blog page - Under the teacher approval section, > two checkbox options enable teacher approval and enable direct posting. > Under the remote blogging options section, a checkbox to send posts > directly to the remote site or store them locally when students post > On the student's create post page - A selectbox asking what to do with > the post (send to teacher or post to blog or both depending on the > checkboxes the teacher selected under the teacher approval section) > > When a student posts, sending to teacher will publish it locally so only > people with edit privileges can view the post (that student and the > teacher). Clicking post will post the blog locally and if the teacher > has send posts directly selected, it will also be published remotely. > > The teachers blog view page will have the options to post locally > (approve) or remotely (publish to remote blog) as needed. > > The difference from the original idea is that students no longer can > select between send to local blog and send to remote blog. The teacher > will have that preset. > > Let me know what you think. > > Thanks, > Tarun > ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] EduBlog: Teacher Review Options
Hi Greg, I think we should separate the teacher approval from remote blogging features to make the system more flexible. It will make it easier to implement and I think easier to use. It will also allow people to use remote blogging and teacher approval independently. What I suggest is the following: On the teacher's create blog page - Under the teacher approval section, two checkbox options enable teacher approval and enable direct posting. Under the remote blogging options section, a checkbox to send posts directly to the remote site or store them locally when students post On the student's create post page - A selectbox asking what to do with the post (send to teacher or post to blog or both depending on the checkboxes the teacher selected under the teacher approval section) When a student posts, sending to teacher will publish it locally so only people with edit privileges can view the post (that student and the teacher). Clicking post will post the blog locally and if the teacher has send posts directly selected, it will also be published remotely. The teachers blog view page will have the options to post locally (approve) or remotely (publish to remote blog) as needed. The difference from the original idea is that students no longer can select between send to local blog and send to remote blog. The teacher will have that preset. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Tarun ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
