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1. antitheft:: avoiding the need (jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org)
2. antitheft:: avoiding the need - cont.
(jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org)
3. Re: antitheft (Tony Anderson)
4. Re: antitheft (Yannick Warnier)
5. Re: antitheft:: avoiding the need - cont. 2
(jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org)
6. Re: antitheft:: avoiding the need - cont. (Sameer Verma)
7. registering an xo for second time (vanessa ramos da cruz)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 10:53:28 -0600
From: jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org
To: server-devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: [Server-devel] antitheft:: avoiding the need
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We got around the need for antitheft measures with a community-based
approach. This may not work in all communities, but it has worked very
well for us.
BEFORE distributing any computers for student use, we held meetings with
all participants, including teachers, students, parents, and the
community. After getting their input, we guided the teachers and school
administrators in developing a written set of rules and regulations for
the project, with four sets of contracts that the students, parents,
teachers, and school administration had to sign in order to participate in
the project. We did this by posing a series of "what if" scenarios, and
then requiring the local educators to come up with answers that best
suited their school and community's culture, needs, and economic
situation.
Included in the contracts that resulted from this were "fine schedules"
and clearly defined consequences for any damage, loss, or theft of a
laptop. Because we work in very poor communities, "work in lieu of fines"
for parents was included, with a very detailed schedule of hours and type
of work required.
One critical stipulation that we required to be included in the governing
documents was that, if a laptop goes missing (lost or stolen), the project
comes to a complete halt until there is a satisfactory resolution. What
constitutes a satisfactory resolution is clearly defined in the documents.
Since deployment, within the school and immediate community, laptops can
be left unattended in classrooms and the school yard without worry. This
is because they aren't ever really "unattended." The entire community is
hyper-vigilant about keeping an eye on them. When students or teachers
who live in other communities take laptops home, they are hyper-vigilant
about taking care of the laptops and protecting them, to the point that
one teacher who lives in an unsafe area will not even take his flash drive
home with him, let alone a laptop. Their protectiveness is so strong that
one school paid to put burglar bars on the classrooms and storage room,
and another school hired a security guard for off-hours.
The result has been that 2? years after deployment, we have not had a
single laptop damaged, lost, or stolen. This is especially impressive
considering that I was told repeatedly before we started about cases of
computer theft and vandalism at other computer projects in the country.
We were told this would be a major impediment, but we proved them wrong.
Our approach was a long, grueling process, but by bringing the
participants into the process, allowing them to customize the governing
documents to meet their needs, and giving them complete control over the
outcome, we have not had to deal with any theft or vandalism. That's not
to say it can't happen someday, or that it will be as effective in all
countries and communities, but I think it is essential to long-term
success to incorporate community involvement in the design,
implementation, and operation of any computer project. The time invested
in laying the groundwork pays huge dividends in the long run.
Janissa Balcomb
Laptops to Lesotho Inc.
www.laptopstolesotho.org
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:32:37 -0600
From: jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org
To: server-devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: [Server-devel] antitheft:: avoiding the need - cont.
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I plan to attend the OLPC conference in San Francisco in October. I will
be available there to anyone who wishes to discuss our Laptops to Lesotho
model in more detail.
You can see the Rules& Regulations, Contracts, and Fine Schedules written
in December 2010 for Nohana Primary School on our blog at:
http://olpc2010-lesotho.blogspot.com/p/2011-rules-regulations-contracts-fee.html
Janissa Balcomb
Laptops to Lesotho Inc.
www.laptopstolesotho.org
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:14:46 +0200
From: Tony Anderson<tony_ander...@usa.net>
To: server-devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: Re: [Server-devel] antitheft
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Hi,
The Saint Jabob school in Kigali where I am providing deployment support
is not currently allowing the students to take laptops home
because the antitheft capability is not implemented.
The laptops were donated by WCE in Stuttgart. The laptops are locked.
The software version installed (852) does not allow the screen to be
rotated (a real problem for pdf reading). Recently, OLPC Germany has
helped provide the school with some additional laptops, also locked, but
with a 860 build.
So essentially, there are two problems. One, being able to install a
custom XO and second, to enable the XS-0.7 server to provide
activation-leases.
The os-build documentation (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_Builder)
suggests that it is possible for a deployment to 'sign' a custom build.
If I knew how to do this, it would be possible to install an identical
build on all of the schools laptops.
The description of the 'antitheft howto'
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Antitheft_HowTo)
implies that this can be done by a deployment based
on the serial-number and uuid.
Somehow I need to get this resolved by Jan. 7 when the new school year
begins so that the students can take the laptops home.
Naturally, all of this must be done without internet access.
Tony
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2. Re: antitheft (Yannick Warnier)
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:41:43 -0500
From: Sameer Verma<sve...@sfsu.edu>
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Hello!
I'm looking to get a sense of how widely antitheft is being used and
to what level of success. There was a post recently where Bruce Baikie
came across 500 XO-1s in Ethiopia, that were locked, but the server
was dead/gone/missing/ so these were unusable. On the other hand, when
XOs are not set up for antitheft, there is attrition (we have some in
one of our Jamaica projects, although its fairly low).
1) Does antitheft work as advertised?
2) What are comfortable parameters for it to work? How many hours
should the lease be?
Not looking for very specific answers...more like a conversation around it.
cheers,
Sameer
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:02:44 -0500
From: Yannick Warnier<ywarn...@chamilo.org>
To: server-devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: Re: [Server-devel] antitheft
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In Peru, after around 2 years of regular contacts with the people in
charge of the deployment of the laptops in the government, the
constitution of an hack-tivism group and a document approved by OLPC
(US), they have allowed on person to have access to the secret key
allowing for the signature of a build.
The person they've allowed access to is Sebastian Silva (icarito on IRC)
and he's working on a localized build right now (which is only available
for XO's 1.5 at this point while a huge majority of laptops in Peru are
XO's 1.0).
In this regard (and this is the antitheft method I was talking about,
not the teachers-students-parents compromise from Lesotho), it has been
a huge brake for the improvements of the local implementation.
That's what I meant.
Tony, I'm not sure who's got the build-signing key in your case, but I
would recommend you try finding out, as this might unlock your
situation.
As we were discussing here, it is very unlikely that anyone with bad
intentions would take the time to try to produce a new build in order to
hack laptops that can only be updated in physical presence, yet this
seems to be why the anti-build-update mechanism was created in the first
place. I hope this can be improved in the future.
Yannick
Le dimanche 26 ao?t 2012 ? 20:14 +0200, Tony Anderson a ?crit :
Hi,
The Saint Jabob school in Kigali where I am providing deployment support
is not currently allowing the students to take laptops home
because the antitheft capability is not implemented.
The laptops were donated by WCE in Stuttgart. The laptops are locked.
The software version installed (852) does not allow the screen to be
rotated (a real problem for pdf reading). Recently, OLPC Germany has
helped provide the school with some additional laptops, also locked, but
with a 860 build.
So essentially, there are two problems. One, being able to install a
custom XO and second, to enable the XS-0.7 server to provide
activation-leases.
The os-build documentation (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_Builder)
suggests that it is possible for a deployment to 'sign' a custom build.
If I knew how to do this, it would be possible to install an identical
build on all of the schools laptops.
The description of the 'antitheft howto'
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Antitheft_HowTo)
implies that this can be done by a deployment based
on the serial-number and uuid.
Somehow I need to get this resolved by Jan. 7 when the new school year
begins so that the students can take the laptops home.
Naturally, all of this must be done without internet access.
Tony
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2. Re: antitheft (Yannick Warnier)
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:41:43 -0500
From: Sameer Verma<sve...@sfsu.edu>
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Details"<de...@lists.laptop.org>
Subject: [Server-devel] antitheft
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Hello!
I'm looking to get a sense of how widely antitheft is being used and
to what level of success. There was a post recently where Bruce Baikie
came across 500 XO-1s in Ethiopia, that were locked, but the server
was dead/gone/missing/ so these were unusable. On the other hand, when
XOs are not set up for antitheft, there is attrition (we have some in
one of our Jamaica projects, although its fairly low).
1) Does antitheft work as advertised?
2) What are comfortable parameters for it to work? How many hours
should the lease be?
Not looking for very specific answers...more like a conversation around it.
cheers,
Sameer
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:49:38 -0600
From: jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org
To: server-devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: Re: [Server-devel] antitheft:: avoiding the need - cont. 2
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p.s. One anti-theft thing that I forgot to mention in my previous list
serve response was that we label and ENGRAVE all the laptops with big bold
numbers and codes in various locations on the laptops so anyone can tell
exactly who they belong to. It?s pretty obvious they are from a school or
organization, not individually owned.
Through public outreach, contact with the local police, and local
word-of-mouth, most everyone in the region knows about our project. So
anyone seen with one of these laptops who isn?t a student or teacher at
one of our schools would be reported to the authorities.
Even communities with schools that don?t have computers want to cooperate
and "stay on our good side" because they know we are gradually expanding
to other schools in the area. We find that if we give them incentive to
cooperate and keep them invested, they?ll bend over backwards to help.
Janissa Balcomb
Laptops to Lesotho Inc.
www.laptopstolesotho.org
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:11:32 -0500
From: Sameer Verma<sve...@sfsu.edu>
To: jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org
Cc: server-devel@lists.laptop.org
Subject: Re: [Server-devel] antitheft:: avoiding the need - cont.
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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM,<jbalc...@laptopstolesotho.org> wrote:
I plan to attend the OLPC conference in San Francisco in October. I will
be available there to anyone who wishes to discuss our Laptops to Lesotho
model in more detail.
You can see the Rules& Regulations, Contracts, and Fine Schedules written
in December 2010 for Nohana Primary School on our blog at:
http://olpc2010-lesotho.blogspot.com/p/2011-rules-regulations-contracts-fee.html
Janissa Balcomb
Laptops to Lesotho Inc.
www.laptopstolesotho.org
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Excellent! Can you submit a proposal, if you haven't already, to
discuss such issues?
http://olpcsf.org/summit
cheers,
Sameer
