Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
In a message dated 2/3/2005 7:28:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My problem is seeing the justification in buying a 3" swingvalve. You then have to get a 3" downpipe. TU sells them for $300! $300 for a chunk of cast iron and a steel pipe? I can buy an entire T2 car that has a 2.5" swingvalve and downpipe for a little more than that, and have all kinds of spare parts. Course, I dont have the room to store it, but you know what I mean. How much HP is actually gained with a 3" piece? Do you lose any lag with it? Plus, then you probably should spend the money to port your intake and exhaust, and install biger housing on your turbo, and on and on and on. Im not trying to rain on anyone parade, but where does it end? Yeah, you could gain maybe 30 mph in the 1/4 mile, but since when in drag racing did the speed count. Its all about consistancy. My father in law has a 55 Chevy chop top drag car that will do 138 in the 8th mile. Problem is, he has too much power and cant keep the car consistent. He has sank a ton in that car, but cant win for anything. I will get off my soapbox now, but what do you guys think? Im guessin you've never gone any larger than a 2.5 crimp bent exhaust? ;) your boost responce/lag spool up times drop pretty drastically and theres no mistaken the power difference.. sometimes just an exhaust upgrade yeilds you 1 - 2 psi more due to the lack of after turbo back pressure..After the turbo, thats all useless backpressure anyways.. Now if you mod the turbo and roll with a larger exhaust housing (SV), there is much more potential.. the quicker you get the exhaust out of the turbo, the fasster the spool, the more efficient it becomes for making power and thus drops your ET's You cant really compair a 55 chevy to a turbo car.. You could realistically gain a modest 30hp by ditchin the stock 2.25sv/stock exhaust and runnin a 3" SV/full 3" exhaust setup..You mite get that HP gain on that 55 chevy, but thats more than twice the size of the engine.. :) On the mistu powered 2.5's that turbo spools up quick enough as it is.. just has no top end pull in my experiences.. Its amazing what the large gains are when proper additions on a turbo car are made. Where as on a civicyour lucky to get a wopping total of about 15-20hp with more mods than were talkin about here.. examplea cold air intake, header and full exhaust.. and at those prices (header usually about 150-250+) (cold air Intake around 150-200), (full exhaust 400 - 650+) ya arent gettin much for your money in the way of performance.. your just pushin around your power/tork curves a bit on those.. :) heres my challenge for you.. disconnect your exhaust from the turbos swingvalve or about 2 feet after the turbo and take a few runs around the block.. tell me if you feel a difference.. trust me, Ill make a believer out of you yet..;) then with the 3" SV setup its just that much more pull and power... Ya cant go wrong on this mod.. so 300 bucks for the swingvalve and downpipe 65 for a cat, 200 for 3" mandrel bent exhaust.. Muffler optional at about 45 bucks (Naaahh) plus a bit of shipping.. about 600 bucks.. considering the performance you get out of it vs what the new cars that arent turbocharged.. night and day brother! Chris Pauluk - Modesto CA. - 1984 T2 Rampage "Ramlet" _www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/pentastarturbo) - _www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage_ (http://www.cardomain.com/id/solo2rampage) Almost complete with parts gathering, head in machine shop ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
My problem is seeing the justification in buying a 3" swingvalve. You then have to get a 3" downpipe. TU sells them for $300! $300 for a chunk of cast iron and a steel pipe? I can buy an entire T2 car that has a 2.5" swingvalve and downpipe for a little more than that, and have all kinds of spare parts. Course, I dont have the room to store it, but you know what I mean. How much HP is actually gained with a 3" piece? Do you lose any lag with it? Plus, then you probably should spend the money to port your intake and exhaust, and install biger housing on your turbo, and on and on and on. Im not trying to rain on anyone parade, but where does it end? Yeah, you could gain maybe 30 mph in the 1/4 mile, but since when in drag racing did the speed count. Its all about consistancy. My father in law has a 55 Chevy chop top drag car that will do 138 in the 8th mile. Problem is, he has too much power and cant keep the car consistent. He has sank a ton in that car, but cant win for anything. I will get off my soapbox now, but what do you guys think? Brian Schulteis wrote: Sorry, I hit enter too soon, I also meant to mention the hassle of trying not to snap every single bolt on the swingvalve. Which is one of the biggest reasons why I didn't upgrade. I also just had a hard time believing that an extra quarter inch in the SV was worth $90. Might as well move up to 3", and if your going to do 3", you should just get a bigger turbo.. heh, kinda snowballs.. On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:27:30 -, Mullikin, Stefan P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, yeah but since when has been going faster not cost money? A 2.5" swing valve is a performance upgrade, just like a 3" swing valve is a performance upgrade. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Schulteis Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: shelby-dodge@sdml.org Subject: Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question Except that's $90 more than just having a buddy weld the EGR hole shut, and that On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:13:57 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: theres a refurbished 2.5" swingvalve on _www.turbosunleashed.com_ (http://www.turbosunleashed.com) for like 95 bucks.. direct bolt up and slight upgrade.. Most of the T2 cars had these 89 and later.. :) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
Sorry, I hit enter too soon, I also meant to mention the hassle of trying not to snap every single bolt on the swingvalve. Which is one of the biggest reasons why I didn't upgrade. I also just had a hard time believing that an extra quarter inch in the SV was worth $90. Might as well move up to 3", and if your going to do 3", you should just get a bigger turbo.. heh, kinda snowballs.. On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 00:27:30 -, Mullikin, Stefan P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, yeah but since when has been going faster not cost money? > > A 2.5" swing valve is a performance upgrade, just like a 3" swing valve > is a performance upgrade. > > Stefan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Schulteis > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: shelby-dodge@sdml.org > Subject: Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question > > Except that's $90 more than just having a buddy weld the EGR hole shut, > and that > > On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:13:57 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > theres a refurbished 2.5" swingvalve on _www.turbosunleashed.com_ > > (http://www.turbosunleashed.com) for like 95 bucks.. > > direct bolt up and slight upgrade.. Most of the T2 cars had these 89 > and > > later.. :) > -- Brian J. Schulteis Bremerton, Washington '85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done) '88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body) '88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD> T2 Conversion Question
Well, yeah but since when has been going faster not cost money? A 2.5" swing valve is a performance upgrade, just like a 3" swing valve is a performance upgrade. Stefan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Schulteis Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: shelby-dodge@sdml.org Subject: Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question Except that's $90 more than just having a buddy weld the EGR hole shut, and that On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:13:57 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > theres a refurbished 2.5" swingvalve on _www.turbosunleashed.com_ > (http://www.turbosunleashed.com) for like 95 bucks.. > direct bolt up and slight upgrade.. Most of the T2 cars had these 89 and > later.. :) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
Except that's $90 more than just having a buddy weld the EGR hole shut, and that On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:13:57 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > theres a refurbished 2.5" swingvalve on _www.turbosunleashed.com_ > (http://www.turbosunleashed.com) for like 95 bucks.. > direct bolt up and slight upgrade.. Most of the T2 cars had these 89 and > later.. :) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
>From what I can remember the only T2's that had EGRs were California Cars. If you have one I'd cut a block off out of 1/8 Aluminum and put a gasket and sealant on it and call it good. -- Later, Duane 1966 Ford F100 1967 Dodge Coronet 440 1967 Chrysler Newport Custom 1989 Dodge Daytona Shelby 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 #1990/2000 1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 #201/1000 1992 Chrysler Town & Country http://users.sisna.com/dkwatters ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
theres a refurbished 2.5" swingvalve on _www.turbosunleashed.com_ (http://www.turbosunleashed.com) for like 95 bucks.. direct bolt up and slight upgrade.. Most of the T2 cars had these 89 and later.. :) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD> T2 Conversion Question
I had a friend mig weld the hole on the swingvalve shut. :) On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:24:57 -0600, Mike Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, I hope this is a simple one. When I am doing my conversion, what do > I do with the EGR? I have heard there are EGR's on the T2 cars, but I > havent seen anything on adding it or if it even needs it. Thanks guys. > > Mike > > ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING > Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ > > To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html > -- Brian J. Schulteis Bremerton, Washington '85 Shelby Charger (resto project 25% done) '88 Chrysler Lebarron Convertible (J body) '88 Daytona Pacifica (Intercooled 2.5L daily driver) ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD> T2 Conversion Question
The 86 GLH-S had an EGR (it plumbed into the bottom of the 2-piece intake just behind the throttle body with the other end connected to the outlet of the turbo). The rest of the T2 cars I've seen have not had EGR. On the T1 car I'm converting, I'm just blocking off the ports and running a later model 1-piece intake which doesn't have an EGR port. So, I wouldn't worry about it. Good luck, Stefan Mullikin Portland, OR Co-Founder PNW-SDAC http://www.pnw-sdac.org 1980 Fiat X-1/9 1984 Dodge Rampage 2.2 1987 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z 1987 Shelby CSX #106 1988 Shelby CSX-T #3 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:25 PM To: sdml Subject: SD> T2 Conversion Question Ok, I hope this is a simple one. When I am doing my conversion, what do I do with the EGR? I have heard there are EGR's on the T2 cars, but I havent seen anything on adding it or if it even needs it. Thanks guys. Mike ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD> T2 Conversion Question
Ok, I hope this is a simple one. When I am doing my conversion, what do I do with the EGR? I have heard there are EGR's on the T2 cars, but I havent seen anything on adding it or if it even needs it. Thanks guys. Mike ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
