Re: [Shotwell] F-Spot Import - Change Dir Name?
On 04.10.2010 23:54, Jim Nelson wrote: When your photos are not available (NFS not mounted), they should be available in the Missing Files page. Are they not there? -- Jim Oh thanks and sorry for not finding out myselfs! Of course all thumbnails can be browsed under Missing Files, Ingo On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ingo Steiner ingo.stei...@gmx.net mailto:ingo.stei...@gmx.net wrote: On 04.10.2010 20:42, Jim Nelson wrote: The ticket that Michael (and others) is referring to is this one: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2476 In the Shotwell 0.7, there's a startup scan to verify all the files backing your photo objects in the library are present. If the file is missing, the photo is moved to the Missing Files page (which is only visible if there are missing files). In 0.8, we've extended this feature to attempt to locate renamed files. If you rename a single photo or rename a subdirectory they are stored in (i.e. ~/Pictures/F-Spot - ~/Pictures/Shotwell), the startup scan will discover the change and associate the renamed files with their old photo objects. An additional feature (http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2478) will scan unknown files in the library directory (which is set in the Preferences dialog) and auto-import them into the library. We plan on both of these being optional in 0.8 ( http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2492). Now, these features have a key limitation: They only work inside the library directory. If you've linked photos from an external directory, Shotwell will *not* scan that directory for renamed files or auto-import from there. This is something we may do in the future; we're taking baby steps with this functionality. This why 0.8 doesn't solve Michael's problem but will solve Mattias and Kenneth's, because they're asking for changes inside the library directory be reflected in Shotwell. We could offer a Locate Photo option, as suggested by Kent, but in the case of 21,000 photos, it's not so simple. (We could offer a Mass Locate Photo, but there's a lot of possibilities, and therefore pitfalls, with that kind of feature.) A re-scan feature would simply do what we're doing at startup; a better solution is active monitoring of the library, which is under consideration: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/374 Finally, regarding Michael's concern about the tediousness of the scan: Yes, it can be time-consuming, but as you said, it's time-consuming for the app, not the user. We're working hard to make the scan as unobtrusive to the user as possible. Fortunately in the normal use-case, all we're doing is verifying the file exists (by checking the modification date and file size), which are low-impact operations. And because it happens in the background, the user shouldn't be stopped from immediately starting work. -- Jim I only started using Shotwell 0.7.2 on Ubuntu-Lucid-amd64 recently. My thanks to the team developing this great piece of software! I want to append another feature request which IMHO fits to this issue: I have my photo collection stored remotely on a NAS which I usually mount with nfs4 on my PC. This mount is not permanent, only on demand. The database of course is stored locally on my PC. All works perfectly when the nfs4 share is available. I even can umount the share with all thumbnails remaining visible and I can even browse through them. However when the nfs4 share is not available when starting Shotwell, all thumbnails shortly appear and when Shotwell is up, all Events are cleared out and no thumbnail preview is available (local database of course is available). Is there any possibility to view and browse the thumbnails even if the photo data are not accessible. Of course editing or opening in nautilus cannot be performed under this condition. Technically it should not be a big issue, as all the thumbnails are stored locally in the database together with the link to the photo itself (except the data to which the link points). This would allow to just scan the whole database to check or search for a photo without editing. Best regards, Ingo On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Kent Tenney kten...@gmail.com mailto:kten...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Michael Hendry hendry.mich...@gmail.com mailto:hendry.mich...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:52 +0300, Mattias Põldaru wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, P, 2010-10-03 kell 13:08, kirjutas Kenneth Jacker: [ Ubuntu
Re: [Shotwell] F-Spot Import - Change Dir Name?
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Michael Hendry hendry.mich...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:52 +0300, Mattias Põldaru wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, P, 2010-10-03 kell 13:08, kirjutas Kenneth Jacker: [ Ubuntu 10.04.1; shotwell-0.7.2 ] When I first ran 'shotwell', I choose the import from F-Spot option. All my prior pictures and tags were then available. But, all the photos are still under the old ../Pictures/F-Spot/ directory. I want to now get rid of F-Spot. My obsessive/compulsive nature would like the path to all my photos now be ../Pictures/Shotwell/ ... corresponding to my new setup and application. Does anyone know how I might this change? Thanks, http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2485 See this ticket. If this is implemented in a smart[1] way, you could simply rename your F-spot directory to Shotwell, then relocate one file and everything would be fine. [1] By smart I mean Shotwell would assume it could have been directory change and would apply the directory change to other missing images as well, where applicable. Somewhere was talk about automatic relocating as well, but unfortunately I cannot find the ticket. Mattias ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell This is a concern of mine, but in the more general case of a reorganisation of my image files and the directories that contain them. I have just imported 21000 images, using links to the files rather than copying all the files, and in future I may well wish to change the directory structure that the images are contained in - e.g. to merge directories containing only a few images, or to move the whole tree to a new disc when the current one fails or gets filled up. Jim Nelson has confirmed that Shotwell will lose track of these files, and they'd have to be reimported and have all the tags restored - a tedious process, and likely to introduce errors. He tells me that additional features are to be introduced in version 0.8, which will attempt to find lost files and re-associate them with the database. This sounds like a time-consuming process (but for the computer, not its operator!), and I wonder if it would be more elegantly done by providing a file manager within Shotwell itself - it would then know where the files had gone, and could make adjustments to the database with this knowledge. Other apps I've used have a relocate feature which allows replacing a portion of the filename path. Given /home/me/my/old/path/2010-09/ containing files or directories, I could ask that /home/me/my/old/path in a filename path would be changed to /mnt/cdrom/ or /usr/local/photos/ or some such. Thanks, Kent Michael ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] F-Spot Import - Change Dir Name?
When your photos are not available (NFS not mounted), they should be available in the Missing Files page. Are they not there? -- Jim On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ingo Steiner ingo.stei...@gmx.net wrote: On 04.10.2010 20:42, Jim Nelson wrote: The ticket that Michael (and others) is referring to is this one: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2476 In the Shotwell 0.7, there's a startup scan to verify all the files backing your photo objects in the library are present. If the file is missing, the photo is moved to the Missing Files page (which is only visible if there are missing files). In 0.8, we've extended this feature to attempt to locate renamed files. If you rename a single photo or rename a subdirectory they are stored in (i.e. ~/Pictures/F-Spot - ~/Pictures/Shotwell), the startup scan will discover the change and associate the renamed files with their old photo objects. An additional feature (http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2478) will scan unknown files in the library directory (which is set in the Preferences dialog) and auto-import them into the library. We plan on both of these being optional in 0.8 ( http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2492). Now, these features have a key limitation: They only work inside the library directory. If you've linked photos from an external directory, Shotwell will *not* scan that directory for renamed files or auto-import from there. This is something we may do in the future; we're taking baby steps with this functionality. This why 0.8 doesn't solve Michael's problem but will solve Mattias and Kenneth's, because they're asking for changes inside the library directory be reflected in Shotwell. We could offer a Locate Photo option, as suggested by Kent, but in the case of 21,000 photos, it's not so simple. (We could offer a Mass Locate Photo, but there's a lot of possibilities, and therefore pitfalls, with that kind of feature.) A re-scan feature would simply do what we're doing at startup; a better solution is active monitoring of the library, which is under consideration: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/374 Finally, regarding Michael's concern about the tediousness of the scan: Yes, it can be time-consuming, but as you said, it's time-consuming for the app, not the user. We're working hard to make the scan as unobtrusive to the user as possible. Fortunately in the normal use-case, all we're doing is verifying the file exists (by checking the modification date and file size), which are low-impact operations. And because it happens in the background, the user shouldn't be stopped from immediately starting work. -- Jim I only started using Shotwell 0.7.2 on Ubuntu-Lucid-amd64 recently. My thanks to the team developing this great piece of software! I want to append another feature request which IMHO fits to this issue: I have my photo collection stored remotely on a NAS which I usually mount with nfs4 on my PC. This mount is not permanent, only on demand. The database of course is stored locally on my PC. All works perfectly when the nfs4 share is available. I even can umount the share with all thumbnails remaining visible and I can even browse through them. However when the nfs4 share is not available when starting Shotwell, all thumbnails shortly appear and when Shotwell is up, all Events are cleared out and no thumbnail preview is available (local database of course is available). Is there any possibility to view and browse the thumbnails even if the photo data are not accessible. Of course editing or opening in nautilus cannot be performed under this condition. Technically it should not be a big issue, as all the thumbnails are stored locally in the database together with the link to the photo itself (except the data to which the link points). This would allow to just scan the whole database to check or search for a photo without editing. Best regards, Ingo On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Kent Tenney kten...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Michael Hendry hendry.mich...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:52 +0300, Mattias Põldaru wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, P, 2010-10-03 kell 13:08, kirjutas Kenneth Jacker: [ Ubuntu 10.04.1; shotwell-0.7.2 ] When I first ran 'shotwell', I choose the import from F-Spot option. All my prior pictures and tags were then available. But, all the photos are still under the old ../Pictures/F-Spot/ directory. I want to now get rid of F-Spot. My obsessive/compulsive nature would like the path to all my photos now be ../Pictures/Shotwell/ ... corresponding to my new setup and application. Does anyone know how I might this change? Thanks, http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2485 See this ticket. If this is implemented in a smart[1] way, you could simply rename your F-spot directory to Shotwell, then relocate one file and everything
Re: [Shotwell] F-Spot Import - Change Dir Name?
Ühel kenal päeval, P, 2010-10-03 kell 13:08, kirjutas Kenneth Jacker: [ Ubuntu 10.04.1; shotwell-0.7.2 ] When I first ran 'shotwell', I choose the import from F-Spot option. All my prior pictures and tags were then available. But, all the photos are still under the old ../Pictures/F-Spot/ directory. I want to now get rid of F-Spot. My obsessive/compulsive nature would like the path to all my photos now be ../Pictures/Shotwell/ ... corresponding to my new setup and application. Does anyone know how I might this change? Thanks, http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2485 See this ticket. If this is implemented in a smart[1] way, you could simply rename your F-spot directory to Shotwell, then relocate one file and everything would be fine. [1] By smart I mean Shotwell would assume it could have been directory change and would apply the directory change to other missing images as well, where applicable. Somewhere was talk about automatic relocating as well, but unfortunately I cannot find the ticket. Mattias ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] F-Spot Import - Change Dir Name?
On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 20:52 +0300, Mattias Põldaru wrote: Ühel kenal päeval, P, 2010-10-03 kell 13:08, kirjutas Kenneth Jacker: [ Ubuntu 10.04.1; shotwell-0.7.2 ] When I first ran 'shotwell', I choose the import from F-Spot option. All my prior pictures and tags were then available. But, all the photos are still under the old ../Pictures/F-Spot/ directory. I want to now get rid of F-Spot. My obsessive/compulsive nature would like the path to all my photos now be ../Pictures/Shotwell/ ... corresponding to my new setup and application. Does anyone know how I might this change? Thanks, http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/2485 See this ticket. If this is implemented in a smart[1] way, you could simply rename your F-spot directory to Shotwell, then relocate one file and everything would be fine. [1] By smart I mean Shotwell would assume it could have been directory change and would apply the directory change to other missing images as well, where applicable. Somewhere was talk about automatic relocating as well, but unfortunately I cannot find the ticket. Mattias ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell This is a concern of mine, but in the more general case of a reorganisation of my image files and the directories that contain them. I have just imported 21000 images, using links to the files rather than copying all the files, and in future I may well wish to change the directory structure that the images are contained in - e.g. to merge directories containing only a few images, or to move the whole tree to a new disc when the current one fails or gets filled up. Jim Nelson has confirmed that Shotwell will lose track of these files, and they'd have to be reimported and have all the tags restored - a tedious process, and likely to introduce errors. He tells me that additional features are to be introduced in version 0.8, which will attempt to find lost files and re-associate them with the database. This sounds like a time-consuming process (but for the computer, not its operator!), and I wonder if it would be more elegantly done by providing a file manager within Shotwell itself - it would then know where the files had gone, and could make adjustments to the database with this knowledge. Michael ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
Re: [Shotwell] F-Spot Import - Change Dir Name?
On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 23:10 +0100, Michael Hendry wrote: [snip] This sounds like a time-consuming process (but for the computer, not its operator!), and I wonder if it would be more elegantly done by providing a file manager within Shotwell itself - it would then know where the files had gone, and could make adjustments to the database with this knowledge. I think there is already a ticket to add a folder view, which would provide some level of file handling, although I can't find it right now. However, that would not solve the original problem. Once things that could be done, now that Shotwell has the ability to change the path of the picture folder, would be to provide an option to copy all the files from the old folder to the new one when that happens. Bruno ___ Shotwell mailing list Shotwell@lists.yorba.org http://lists.yorba.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/shotwell
