[silk] NYT: Losing an Edge, Japanese Envy In dia’s Schools

2008-01-15 Thread Jim Grisanzio

Very interesting.

NYT: Losing an Edge, Japanese Envy India’s Schools:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/business/worldbusiness/02japan.html?_r=2oref=sloginoref=slogin

This has been on the local news here lately as well. And there is an 
Indian school near where I live. Who knows, maybe I'll send my half 
Japanese/American kid to an Indiana school in Tokyo. :) Wild world.


Jim
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[silk] Education in India; Questions for the list...

2008-01-15 Thread Gautam John
As some of you may know, I'm working with an NPO that focusses on the
education space in India. A recurring issue that we've discussed
threadbare involves the lack of institutional support for external
initiatives, such as ours.

I've distilled the problem areas down to this:

Lack of Permanence (Among the government staff and the bureaucrats)

Lack of Ownership (In said group)

Lack of Accountability (Of said group, to anyone)

Lack of Commitment (Again, of said group)

As best as we can influence this group and these problem areas, we're
thinking of focussing on the accountability aspect as we also see that
the others, barring the first, flow from this. As far as that goes
we've identified social accountability, to society at large, as one
way to go about it. Amit had suggested accountability to parents would
be better idea because they have a vested interest in the functioning
of the system. However, such accountability can only come about
because we currently monitor, record and display [1] information that
can be used to instil accountability. Our worry is that once the data,
in a form that can be used more widely, is public we'll lose access
and hence the project will fall flat.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Best,

Gautam

[1] For eg., see: http://karnatakalearningpartnership.org/mapguide/klp/index.jsp



[silk] Wiki Publishing

2008-01-15 Thread Gautam John
So here's an idea that's been running through my head: A 'wiki' type
publishing house.

It'll involve:

1. A hosted wiki.
2. One that can run in multiple, regional, languages.
3. Can accept images.
4. Some sort of overview.
5. CC license to cover it all.

In time, I'd hope that it becomes a repository of Indian, and other,
language stories with a particular focus on children. We'd also like
to run a special imprint using books so developed. Given that it'd be
run by a NPO, piracy isn't a concern. Obscurity and access are. And
one would have to acknowledge that we may not be the best editors,
publishers or have the best distribution network and we're hoping that
the world at large, can pitch in.

Again, suggestions and ideas are welcome. In particular, technical
suggestions as to how best to go about this.

Cheers!

Gautam



Re: [silk] Will India Become the New Vanguard of the OpenSourceMovement?

2008-01-15 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 15 Jan 2008 12:22 pm, Charles Haynes wrote:
  However given the reaction
 some works that I consider only mildly challenging have already gotten
 (e.g. M.F. Husain, or the recent incidents in Chennai) I'm not really
 surprised.

Sometime last year I had been to Coimbatore and decided to visit the temple at 
Perur whose earliest history dates back 1900 years, though much of the temple 
was built around 1500 years ago.

The square pillars around the inner sanctum have bas reliefs of people 
worshipping the deity (Shiva). One pillar caught my eye because the figure 
was of a meditating yogini, (female yogi) standing on one leg completely nude 
of course worshipping Shiva. What caught my eye was that rock of the genital 
region of the yogini figure had been worn clean and black by human touch 
compared with the grey granite of the rest of the pillar and figure. 

I then noticed something else that blew me away. On a face of the same pillar 
at right angles to the yogini was the bas relief of a bearded man with a big 
grin and an enormous erection pointing at the yogini.

Someone explained to me that many temples had such carvings. Sometimes erotic 
carvings would form the lower rows of the pyramidal outer structure of the 
temple, while the upper rows would gradually lead up to figures who were 
detached from worldly wants and pleasures. The idea was to depict the paths 
and phases a human might have to go through and later discard on the way to 
realizing the ultimate truth or bliss.

This sort of stuff is now only present in South Indian temples that survived 
Islamic ravaging. The relative absence of ancient temples in North India is 
testament to the ravages of islam. But although the structures survived in 
the South the free artistic tradition died out. New temples are built even 
today, but the plaster/stone figures on the superstructure are politically 
correct figurines conforming to today's near-Victorian morality. So something 
died. Some things did not die.

There is one hour The Learning Channel (TLC) video of Ancient Indian temples 
online somewhere. I downloaded the video, but I can't for the life of me find 
the url. If I find it, I will post it on here.

shiv



Re: [silk] OpenBravo anyone?

2008-01-15 Thread Valsa Williams
So is Opentaps suitable for small and medium businesses. Would you recommend
that ?

On Jan 14, 2008 11:50 AM, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have briefly evaluated WebERP before. When you take a look at the demo
 of Opentaps and WebERP, you will notice significant differences in the
 way they are set up. I would not say LAMP is unsuitable for large
 enterprise applications or that they don't scale. But I know that the
 Opentaps/OFBiz stack scales much better. Besides, Opentaps integrates
 CRM, Financial Accounting and Pentaho's BI tools. Therefore, a better
 choice. Smaller organizations might prefer the simplicity provided by
 WebERP.

 Venkat

 Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
  Venkat, what about WebERP? Have you tried it?
  http://www.weberp.org/HomePage
 
  J.
 
  On 13-Jan-08, at 12:25 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote:
 
  Take a look at Opentaps (www.opentaps.org), based on Apache's OFBiz.
  Opentaps is a much better ERP system and I recommend it to all my
  clients.
 
  Venkat
 
  Bharath Chari wrote:
  Hi,
  Has anyone on the list implemented Openbravo ERP in a production
  environment? Was looking at it as an alternative to Compiere.
  Bharath
 
 
 
 
 





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Re: [silk] OpenBravo anyone?

2008-01-15 Thread Venkat Mangudi

Valsa Williams wrote:

So is Opentaps suitable for small and medium businesses. Would you recommend
that ?


Opentaps is suitable for small, medium and large enterprises. It scales 
very well and can serve the needs of most businesses who need an 
integrated solution for their ERP, CRM and SCM. It is flexible to 
support different types of business like manufacturing, trading and 
online businesses. But this line of thought might get too technical and 
sales-y for Silk.


Opentaps is the only ERP solution I recommend to my clients, whether 
they have an existing solution or otherwise.


Venkat



Re: [silk] Will India Become the New Vanguard of the OpenSourceMovement?

2008-01-15 Thread shiv sastry
On Tuesday 15 Jan 2008 9:38 pm, shiv sastry wrote:
 There is one hour The Learning Channel (TLC) video of Ancient Indian
 temples online somewhere. I downloaded the video, but I can't for the life
 of me find the url. If I find it, I will post it on here.

OK here it is
http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2006/06/more-vicarious-traveling-lost-temples.html

shiv



Re: [silk] Will India Become the New Vanguard of theOpenSourceMovement?

2008-01-15 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
On Jan 15, 2008 9:38 PM, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The relative absence of ancient temples in North India is
 testament to the ravages of islam.


OT: Um, I was never of Islam. I used to be pretty religious a hindu, but I
have since then changed my mind.
So, please

C



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Re: [silk] Will India Become the New Vanguard of the Open Source Movement?

2008-01-15 Thread Thaths
On Jan 14, 2008 10:36 AM, Tea Beedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This from Thaths seems to indicate that, as real life intrudes, OS/
 fun-work communities recede:
   is married and thoroughly domesticated these days from what I hear.

To be perfectly clear, I was not referring to the subject's withdrawal
from open source activities. I was referring to the subject's open
substance activities.

Thaths
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Homer: Hehe. You don't have a son.
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Re: [silk] Will India Become the New Vanguard of the Open Source Movement?

2008-01-15 Thread Tea Beedi
Thanks all for your comments on this; since this subject line has  
morphed to art/ coooking, I won't press it further.


On Jan 14, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Biju Chacko wrote:

On Jan 11, 2008 2:01 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Then, there's this consistent pressure to earn, earn, earn ..  
join Cognizant, get married, have kids, settle down into a  
comfortable middle class lifestyle - that kind of gets in the way  
too.




I agree.


Protocol query: Hope you won't mind if I quote some of this to other  
friends having this discussion. I'm part of a larger group discussion  
on FOSS and want especially to make the point that both men and women  
have this issue about family/work pressures in the context of OS/ 
creative work. Often 'family stuff is considered a women's career  
issue but you make the important larger/ general point about  
creativity and social structures.


And Suresh, would love to hear more about your foss.in comment of  
course :) i know the debate you're referring to but you can't deny  
the force of that position at bangalore last time. So, it is here to  
stay, whether we agree or not.

Tea



[silk] Silk list chennai meetup?

2008-01-15 Thread Thaths
Hi,

I will be in Chennai for almost 2 weeks starting this weekend. Is
anyone up for a meetup on Friday, Jan 25 or Saturday, Jan 26? I prefer
meeting up in Central Madras (near Gemini flyover) or Anna Nagar.

Thaths
-- 
Bart: We were just planning the father-son river rafting trip.
Homer: Hehe. You don't have a son.
Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders



Re: [silk] Silk list chennai meetup?

2008-01-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Thaths wrote:

 I will be in Chennai for almost 2 weeks starting this weekend. Is
 anyone up for a meetup on Friday, Jan 25 or Saturday, Jan 26? I prefer
 meeting up in Central Madras (near Gemini flyover) or Anna Nagar.

There's me, there's Chandrachoodan, there's Karra .. and Subhash Jeyan if he
is free 

Madras seems a bit denuded of silklisters right now

Got a 7 AM flight to catch on the 26th morning (off to attend a wedding) so
if we can meet for Lunch on the 25th, that'd work. Or earlier if possible.

Dinner not an option, not when I would have to head for the airport at 5:30
AM.

srs





Re: [silk] Two Nations, Two Choices (Interesting article by Vir Sanghvi onIndia and Pakistan )

2008-01-15 Thread Aadisht Khanna
On 1/16/08, Bonobashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was enjoying your rebuttal till the last line, where your English
 confused me.

 Quote
 snip
 Ah - two biases for the price of one - anti-banker and anti-Indian!

 Unquote

 Which part of Indian with an impeccable reputation gave you the clue
 that the writer was anti-Indian?




Nothing about that line - it was more that the writer seemed to call it
divine retribution that a 'mere Indian' had displaced Shaukat Aziz as Citi
CEO.


Re: [silk] Silk list chennai meetup?

2008-01-15 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
On Jan 16, 2008 12:04 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 There's me, there's Chandrachoodan, there's Karra .. and Subhash Jeyan if
 he
 is free


Saturday  Sunday I have a dozen weddings to grace with my presence. Lunch
on 25th is cool.


C

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Re: [silk] Will India Become the New Vanguard of the Open Source Movement?

2008-01-15 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Jan 15, 2008 11:51 PM, Tea Beedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Protocol query: Hope you won't mind if I quote some of this to other
 friends having this discussion.

shrug Speaking for myself, I don't mind, especially since this is a
publicly archived list.

What I *do* find interesting, however, is how your desire to study,
and leverage, openness plays out with questions of privacy [1] and
identity [2].

Your thoughts?

Udhay

[1] http://deponti.livejournal.com/53545.html?thread=108073#t108073
[2] such as the current persona, Tea Beedi

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