Re: [silk] Introduction
On Thursday 07 Feb 2008 12:55 pm, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: all things considered I'd say Hassath is male. Aha! Sex talk eh? shiv
Re: [silk] Introduction
:-) I think the list introduced itself to me as well. On Feb 7, 2008 12:41 PM, Abhishek Hazra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this bulleted list, with its conspicuous gaps of information - what is the color and texture of the desk surface, for example - is in an a way more revealing than a photograph of the desk. The desk is covered with brown teak veneer. We did it ourselves, and had good fun doing it. When we moved into this house and decided where the desk should be, we went looking around for the right kind and thickness of plywood. (We finally settled on the best 19mm we could find.) Then hunted for some shop which would do the comparatively simple job of cutting it to the size we wanted, and polishing it.(Almost all of them wanted to do something fancy to it.) That's when we settled for this veneer. We didn't want legs, which meant we had to mount it on the wall. We calculated the size of the angle brackets, and found that none of that size were readily available. Which meant another look around to see who could weld it for us, with the holes where we wanted them to be. Three trips to the welder, no less, and we finally had four 4mm iron brackets. We wanted to put it up ourselves (it had to be *exactly* level) and it was tough doing it, though we enjoyed it too- armed with drilling machine, spirit level, a long ruler and the long bolts we had managed to get. And yes, in spite of the disarray it is in currently, good work does get done at it. :-) -- - Hassath
Re: [silk] Introduction
Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: I haven't known anyone called Hassath, so I can't hazard assumptions on the gender. However there are characteristics to the introduction that smack of a computer geek. Men are in the majority among computer geeks, so all things considered I'd say Hassath is male. Oh my, whatever became of the good old asl plz? :)
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On 07-Feb-08, at 1:11 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote: Maybe Hassath is the one on the left, and our friend AMS is the fellow in the middle. Fair guess, following from NS1.TOROID.ORG You may recall Quinn Norton's India trip for the Global Voices Summit was preceded by a post to this list by Danny O'Brien [1]. The photo's date coincides. [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/18260
Re: [silk] Introduction
Men are in the majority among computer geeks, so all things considered I'd say Hassath is male. Cheeni AARRRGGHH!!! This from someone who calls himself Sugar...when he has a child I look forward to calling him Sugar Daddy. Welcome to Resham, Hassath! Er...what's a 5-subject notebook? Deepa. On Feb 7, 2008 12:55 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 12:53 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Abhijit seems like an odd name for a girl. I haven't known anyone called Hassath, so I can't hazard assumptions on the gender. However there are characteristics to the introduction that smack of a computer geek. Men are in the majority among computer geeks, so all things considered I'd say Hassath is male. Cheeni
Re: [silk] Introduction
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Deepa Mohan wrote: | Er...what's a 5-subject notebook? Possibly that kind of notebook that BILT retails through various outlets - - has plastic or like material separator for subjects and has pages which remind me of the arithmetic copies of my youth -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHqvxIXQZpNTcrCzMRAl3gAJ4yKig/LD7h1xpGbdvTjkpq2uFfWACeOz/U V7TuuYawjNT7yxBwDKJ9Vnw= =S6Nl -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [silk] Do you think Ubuntu is dead?
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Rishab Ghosh wrote: So I was trying it again last night after the kernel update, and resume will sometimes come back - and other times appear to come back, but without turning the LCD backlight on. That is, I can tell the LCD is drawing something on the screen - I can make out the box for entering a password at resume, and after doing so, my desktop - but it's just not have you tried swsuspend? yeah i know it is a hack. i found hibernation works better than suspend (in my case, perfectly) - but again, with reference to the subject line, i don't know that this is an ubuntu problem rather than a general linux problem - do other distributions do a much better job at out-of-the-box suspend/resume? not in my experience. Yeah, but I couldn't find s2ram, so I couldn't get suspend working, and didn't want to futz with hibernation. It seemed like a poorly documented hack that didn't inspire a lot of confidence, and I had burned way too much time on something that should JFW. The X40 I had worked perfectly, so again, I point the finger at Lenovo. Brian
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AARRRGGHH!!! :-) Welcome to Resham, Hassath! Thanks, Deepa. Er...what's a 5-subject notebook? It's a notebook which has five sections- with coloured separators to demarcate the different sections. The pages are either all the same colour (mostly white), or each section is a different colour. Very useful when you want to take different kinds of notes in the same book. Yes, I guess it's used mostly in colleges, which is why it's called a 5-subject notebook. -- - Hassath
Re: [silk] Introduction
Oh my, whatever became of the good old asl plz? :) I have obviously led far too sheltered a life: Back in June, I learned that, if one's wife suddenly sports a Brazilian, it might be wise to reevaluate the health of one's marriage; further, if she proceeds to empty the bank accounts and max out one's credit cards during a visit to her ailing mother, it might be advisable to retain counsel as soon as possible. Your humble narrator, having failed utterly to do either of these things until well after having been ambushed with the papers, recalls being distinctly non-amused with this lesson. On the other hand, last week having been Carnaval, I was vastly amused to learn that protocol IRL is almost exactly similar to that of IRC, modulo the easily verified fact that in meatspace gender is displayed but handles are not, so a natural transformation maps asl to anl: age, name, location. -Dave
Re: [silk] Introduction
Deepa Mohan wrote: Ah. My aarghh was the same sort of argh! NOM..No Offence Meant, Cheeni! (apropos of which...could sugar have come from China, to get that name? How much more convenient to ask someone than to go a-googling...) Deepa. Hmmm. Sandeep Kapoor again. Shiv, don't think your last attempt went unnoticed. Bharath
Re: [silk] Introduction
At 2008-02-07 20:15:05 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apropos of which...could sugar have come from China, to get that name? No, actually it's exactly backwards. China got sugar from India, which might have been where sugar was first cultivated. The origin of 'chini' is not clear, but I seem to remember that it had something to do with cinnamon. -- ams
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 8:06 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone who calls himself Sugar...when he has a child I look forward to calling him Sugar Daddy. AARRRGGHH!!! Ah. My aarghh was the same sort of argh! NOM..No Offence Meant, Cheeni! (apropos of which...could sugar have come from China, to get that name? How much more convenient to ask someone than to go a-googling...) Deepa. geeks, so all things considered I'd say Hassath is male. Cheeni AARRRGGHH!!! Did I say something annoying? This from someone who calls himself Sugar...when he has a child I look forward to calling him Sugar Daddy. AARRRGGHH!!! Yes. I
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 7:49 PM, Ramjee Swaminathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We (meaning: my spouse and her grouse) used to know one hassath, in a few avatars of her - very many years ago. :-) Yes, it is the same Hassath. (Tried to get in touch with Sowmya several times, but I guess her email address has changed.) -- - Hassath
Re: [silk] Introduction
Hi Hassath, On Thursday 07 February 2008, Hassath wrote: [snip] I'm looking at this list and failing to see where you mentioned that your daughter is awesome. I think that's a pretty big oversight. -Taj.
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 6:48 AM, Hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I couldn't think of a better introduction. if '/me' implies 'person' and 'person' implies 'www.svaksha.com', then /me = www.svaksha.com || vid || ...crawls back into her shell after waving a hello to Hassath :)
Re: [silk] Introduction
On 2/7/08, Hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) I think the list introduced itself to me as well. NO, not yet! What the hell, let me hassath a guess too. We (meaning: my spouse and her grouse) used to know one hassath, in a few avatars of her - very many years ago. If it is OR you are *that* hassath then hellos to you from your ol' friends - nice to see you resurfacing :-). I could see some tell tale shards of nostalgic memory reads from the bio-netted list that you have posited and elsewhere. If I am incorrect, then hellos from your new fiends. __r. PS: Let me go back to sulk list, post haste, where I normally hang myself. -- http://www.qsl.net/vu2sro/ Mathematics has given economics rigor, but alas, also mortis. -- Robert Heilbroner
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- The case of an iPod nano, with its USB cable Just the case? Like the shell or husk of what once was an iPod Nano? Or perhaps the carrying case for a working still Nano? If it (the Nano) isn't in its case, where is it? I'm all for the breaking apart of iPods, though their design demands that we not do it. Casey P.S. Welcome.
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Men are in the majority among computer geeks, so all things considered I'd say Hassath is male. Cheeni AARRRGGHH!!! Did I say something annoying? This from someone who calls himself Sugar...when he has a child I look forward to calling him Sugar Daddy. AARRRGGHH!!!
Re: [silk] Introduction
At 2008-02-07 20:23:00 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, actually it's exactly backwards. China got sugar from India, which might have been where sugar was first cultivated. The origin of 'chini' is not clear, but I seem to remember that it had something to do with cinnamon. I refreshed my vague memory: http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Cinn_cas.html The unclear parts are the ultimate etymological origin of cinnamon and (at least to me) what the link is between cinnamon and sugar that would cause similar terms to be used; but it seems very unlikely that the word means something other than from China for sugar. Ironic, isn't it? China got sugar from India, and the word sugar is itself apparently derived from Sanskrit; but Indian languages call sugar Chini because cinnamon came to India from China. -- ams
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 6, 2008 11:11 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 12:18 PM, Hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Samsung SyncMaster 172s 17 LCD monitor HP LP3065 30 LCD - mwahahahaha Tut, tut! Sometimes, Cheeni, a monitor is just a monitor. Thaths -- Bart: We were just planning the father-son river rafting trip. Homer: Hehe. You don't have a son. Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
Re: [silk] long
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: | BTW, in Malayalam, cc sugar is usually called pan[cha]sara. I've only | heard the charkarai form used for gur or perhaps palm sugar. Is there | a similar distinction in Tamil? Speaking of which, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster makes a gory read -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHq8ZJXQZpNTcrCzMRAk4GAKCFdbVfc1jEy0TxQ6sYBaUEXMgGWQCgoJ1m NOFrVVDKJe6A8CE1RziTErQ= =5wck -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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BTW, in Malayalam, cc sugar is usually called pan[cha]sara. I've only | heard the charkarai form used for gur or perhaps palm sugar. Is there | a similar distinction in Tamil? No...gur is called vellam...and palm sugar is panam kalkandu. (kalkandu is sugar candy ...the kind that comes in crystals and is offered when one enters a wedding hall.) Deepa. On Feb 8, 2008 8:32 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: | BTW, in Malayalam, cc sugar is usually called pan[cha]sara. I've only | heard the charkarai form used for gur or perhaps palm sugar. Is there | a similar distinction in Tamil? Speaking of which, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster makes a gory read -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHq8ZJXQZpNTcrCzMRAk4GAKCFdbVfc1jEy0TxQ6sYBaUEXMgGWQCgoJ1m NOFrVVDKJe6A8CE1RziTErQ= =5wck -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [silk] long
On Feb 8, 2008 9:05 AM, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No...gur is called vellam...and palm sugar is panam kalkandu. There is also this liquid palm sugar syrup, in Kerala, that is called paani.
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 1:00 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Hassath Hassath 7B, Pocket B, SFS Apartments Mayur Vihar Phase 3 Delhi Postal Code:110096 Phone:+91.9811152926 Hmm. That's surely more of an introduction to a list than I would ever have intended. -- - Hassath
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 7, 2008 9:22 PM, Casey O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps the carrying case for a working still Nano? If it (the Nano) isn't in its case, where is it? Yes, just the carrying case. The Nano still works, it's on my bed. :-) I'm all for the breaking apart of iPods, though their design demands that we not do it. I must admit that I have wondered if I could manage... P.S. Welcome. Thanks. -- - Hassath
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At 2008-02-08 08:32:33 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster I am a terrible human being, because I find that description very funny. «The collapse unleashed an immense wave of molasses between 8 and 15 ft (2.5 to 4.5 m) high, moving at 35 mph (56 km/h) and exerting a pressure of 2 ton/ft² (200 kPa).» Did Wikipedia exist in 1919? I can just imagine a bunch of Wikipedia editors running from the wave while arguing about the best way to measure its velocity. -- ams
Re: [silk] Introduction
Biju Chacko wrote, [on 2/8/2008 10:09 AM]: snip home address Hmm. That's surely more of an introduction to a list than I would ever have intended. I have to admit that I thought that post was a little injudicious, Cheeni. I agree. And I have no idea what Cheeni intended to convey, either, with that whois output. Folks, please remember that silk is publicly archived in multiple places. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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On Feb 7, 2008 1:48 AM, Hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I couldn't think of a better introduction. From right to left... [Long list of 'teh awesome' things snipped] I like the gaps analogy - It feels like something out of a Michel Gondry movie - random stuff strung together to construct a scene, with enough gaps to help the observer create his or her own version of reality. Which reminds me of this nice CGI work here: http://www.buzzimage.com/work/making_of/31 Welcome, H! -- Aditya (http://aditya.sublucid.com/)
Re: [silk] greetings and salutations
Hi Brian, nice to see you on silk. At 2008-02-03 23:27:17 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to be in India for the next two weeks [...] Feb 14-15: Delhi (OSIweek) I didn't write earlier because I wasn't sure I would be around while you were in town. But I'm leaving only on the 15th (also for the mountains, but NE of Delhi rather than NW, as Dharamsala is). If you're still free on the 14th evening, I'd love to meet up. Can't have you thinking that everyone on silk is from Bangalore. ;-) Feb 16-17: Dharmsala (fun) Short trip, but should be nice. How will you get to Dharamsala, by train via Pathankot? Are you going up to Macleodganj? -- ams
Re: [silk] Introduction
We wanted to put it up ourselves (it had to be *exactly* level) and it was tough doing it, though we enjoyed it too- indeed. the pleasures of workmanship (yes, its a gendered word, but you get my point) thanks for sharing the details - i am always fascinated by workplace details, particularly the accretion of traces of use - small alcoves with well thumbed paperbacks, or the softboard that becomes a palimpsest of markings, jottings and random visual ephemera. what is also interesting is how this description uses the question of the color and texture of the desk surface to shift the register of the description - from a bulleted list to a more narrative mode. and though gaps remain in this narrative mode too, as a reader you don't sense it immediately - rather you are left with a sense of rich detail. (a 72 dpi photo that looks more like a 300 dpi one) i guess the interesting thing about a narrativised description is precisely this tension between the real and perceived resolution of the description. and also here the fascinating thing is the 'biography of objects' and how an apparently simple structure like a workbench can reveal such a wealth of meaningful detail. -abhishek On Feb 7, 2008 4:14 PM, Hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) I think the list introduced itself to me as well. On Feb 7, 2008 12:41 PM, Abhishek Hazra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this bulleted list, with its conspicuous gaps of information - what is the color and texture of the desk surface, for example - is in an a way more revealing than a photograph of the desk. The desk is covered with brown teak veneer. We did it ourselves, and had good fun doing it. When we moved into this house and decided where the desk should be, we went looking around for the right kind and thickness of plywood. (We finally settled on the best 19mm we could find.) Then hunted for some shop which would do the comparatively simple job of cutting it to the size we wanted, and polishing it.(Almost all of them wanted to do something fancy to it.) That's when we settled for this veneer. We didn't want legs, which meant we had to mount it on the wall. We calculated the size of the angle brackets, and found that none of that size were readily available. Which meant another look around to see who could weld it for us, with the holes where we wanted them to be. Three trips to the welder, no less, and we finally had four 4mm iron brackets. We wanted to put it up ourselves (it had to be *exactly* level) and it was tough doing it, though we enjoyed it too- armed with drilling machine, spirit level, a long ruler and the long bolts we had managed to get. And yes, in spite of the disarray it is in currently, good work does get done at it. :-) -- - Hassath -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - does the frog know it has a latin name? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[silk] Fwd: Introduction
I'd sum this as unintended consequences of a curious break from stressful work. Also known as curiosity killed the cat. Thanks Hassath and Abhijeet for accepting my explanation and apology. *I am now going to crawl away into a corner where I don't read too much email, it clearly can't be good for me.* Cheeni -- Forwarded message -- From: Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 8, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Introduction To: Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [+hassath] On Feb 8, 2008 7:39 AM, Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Cc: to silk dropped.) At 2008-02-07 12:55:58 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However there are characteristics to the introduction that smack of a computer geek. BTW, it isn't that I've dumped my extra motherboards on her side of the desk, if you were wondering. She's building a couple of new machines to experiment with something. Umm... but I never had that doubt in the first place. Wait! Is the unspoken question here something like why are you such a male chauvinist / immature jerk / unevolved person ? Hell no! Wow! Yeah, I was quite surprised when there was a lot of quiet silence and weird replies from people. I didn't understand it at first, but then I figured that people were misunderstanding whatever I had said. So, allow me to clear the air. a) Hassath's gender didn't even explicitly figure in my head until after I saw Jace's email. Jace's email made me realize that I and perhaps others had been assuming Hassath to be male, when there was a possibility that it might not be so. How male chauvinist of me to assume all geeks were men. I censured myself. But, why did I, who should know better leap to this conclusion? I explained to myself (mostly) and to the list my logic - the probability of a computer geek being male is higher. Ah, relief, I was merely being logical, not a male chauvinist. b) Five minutes using Google revealed me the first signs that Hassath may indeed be a woman, and hence my notice to the list of my possible mistake. Also a case study in how logic failed; but in a completely logical experiment, there is no need to apologize for betting on the majority outcome. Whereas in this particular social context my analysis is considered a faux pas. *sigh* Including the address was just to highlight that highly personal information like an address is easily found, but it still doesn't tell me much about Hassath. Especially about the social context of the discussion. Now the address is public information, easily found via a whois lookup, so I didn't think it would matter to include it. But then of course exposing the address of (anybody, but especially a woman) is generally considered an invitation to all sorts of bad things to happen to her, I understand, I apologize, but it was unintentional. My logical brain met a social context where it began looking weird. IMO, it was a game, of the harmless sort to fill out the incomplete picture that Hassath sent out. As Jace mentions, let the curious resort to the interweb. Now of course, I prefer transparency to opaqueness, hence I've included Hassath to apologize if there were any misgivings. This situation could have easily played out in a non-public space following the same logical course, but exposed to a public list after the the social context was better understood. In 20-20 hindsight, this seems better. Given my preference for transparency over opaqueness this is perhaps not going to be my first reaction, nevertheless something I should mull over. Finally, perhaps best would have been to curb my curiosity (I am curious about anything, a stone on the road can make me curious enough to climb a tree - such things have happened to me) and wait for someone, maybe Hassath herself to complete the picture. I think some of this explanation should go to silk, if you feel comfortable with it, I'd like to forward this email to Silk as well. Cheeni However, Hassath Hassath 7B, Pocket B, SFS Apartments Mayur Vihar Phase 3 Delhi Postal Code:110096 Phone:+91.9811152926 I don't get it. What was the point you were trying to make here? (i.e. However, ... what?) -- ams
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Feb 8, 2008 10:09 AM, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I have to admit that I thought that post was a little injudicious, Cheeni. Yes, yes I know, apologies, and I just sent in an email with what I think is a rough explanation of what may have gone through my mind. As easily accessible and public as whois output is, it's not right to string the clues together for evil people who may do whatever with it. My address can be found online if you look hard enough, but I don't want it exposed for the world to see. I can see how this was not very clever of me. Cheeni
