Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Mayank Dhingra
I will read all the books that I've bought and borrowed , travel both in
India and abroad, preferably road trips and resume playing sports.

Had a similar discussion some time back here  http://tr.im/16wl


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 13:00 +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
 Reading
 the responses so far it seems fair to make the working hypothesis that
 the average silk lister is interested in (in no particular order)
 
 - Reading up on history
 - Getting fit
 - Catching up with a long list of unread books
 - Traveling the world
[...]
 I wonder why no one desires the most popular pastime of mankind when
 time and money are no object. [...]
 Perhaps this silk list place is a bunch of weirdos, eh?

i'm a great believer in revealed preferences [1]. this implies that
things to do when i have the time are basically things i don't do and
don't actually want to do, that much. so the working hypothesis implies
that the average silklister is not historical, fit, well read or well
travelled. perhaps enough should be inserted as a qualifier.
similarly, the implication here is that the average silklister is
frequently occupied in the most popular pastime of mankind that it is
not something left for when i have the time. although perhaps enough
should be used as a qualifier here, too, for frequently occupied.

-rishab

1. An example of a popular joke among economists: two economists see a
Ferrari. “I want one of those,” says the first. “Obviously not,” replies
the other. see
http://www.economist.com/research/Economics/alphabetic.cfm?letter=R#revealedpreference




Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 18 Nov 2008 12:12:29 am ashok _ wrote:
 Perhaps rationality follows a darwinian system of natural selection...
 with its own rules and mechanisms of selection..
 You can rationally chose not to propagate...but that goes against
 darwinian selection...where the natural instinct is to use the ability
 to propagate...

Correct. Check The Selfish Gene for views on morality and evolution.

Rationally choosing not to propagate would reduce the presence in the gene 
pool of genes of people who  rationally chose not to propagate. with a 
relative increase in proportion of people in the gene pool carrying genes 
that make them rationally choose to propagate

shiv



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 18 Nov 2008 8:59:37 am Mahesh Murthy wrote:
 Sent from my iPhone

er - is this an announcement that you have an iPhone, or an announcement that 
it is working at last? 

With no disrespect towards iPhones in general, aren't email capable phones a 
dime a dozen now?


shiv



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 18 Nov 2008 9:06:02 am Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
 how do you determine gender from IP address? is a terrific question
 for a job interview.

 On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 08:01 +1100, Charles Haynes wrote:
   Your question does raise a rather important point about the current
   state of computing and networking technology. The fact that all those
   bright people (especially some of them on Silk) are unable to write a
   simple function that can determine gender from IP Address is something
   I just cannot understand.

On the question of how IP relates to gender - would not the question of 
whether you stand or sit when UP be relevant?

shiv






Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-18 Thread ss
On Tuesday 18 Nov 2008 6:53:01 am Deepa Mohan wrote:
 Yes, gender is as much between the ears as between the legs

You mean stuff like bent gent, kink think and the like?

shiv



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder why no one desires the most popular pastime of mankind when
 time and money are no object.

Because it's not a thing I would like to do when I get the time it's
the reason I don't have time to do those other things...

-- Charles



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-18 Thread .
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Joe Barrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Isn't that what finger is for?


ping


v.



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread .
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd rather ask it this way: can we rationally explain our morals without
 stating it as a *belief* that something is right or wrong? I can't. It
 appears to me that our brains are inherently irrational, but capable of
 rationality as a (self) imposed discipline.
 I can separate morality from religion, can rationally explain why I'm an
 atheist, but can't rationalise the morals.

I've never understood how one defines theism or atheism for that
matter even religion with a fixed frame of thought.


.



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread .
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do you define destruction?

 as each moment (nano seconds, if you wish) that just passed me by
as I typed this, was destroyed forever, never to return.

v.



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:34:55PM +0530, . wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How do you define destruction?
 
  as each moment (nano seconds, if you wish) that just passed me by
 as I typed this, was destroyed forever, never to return.

Not nearly good enough. It lacks a measurement process for the information
irretrievably erased (all assuming time travel is impossible), and which would 
involve a hierarchy of scopes each with their own dynamics (your CNS is 
adequately 
described at six orders of magnitude slower timebase, whereas things at Planck 
scale consider ~ns an effective eternity).

In general destruction of inanimate things are cheap. Look at the Moon, no
ecosystems to destroy. Inasmuch destruction of future potentials is to be 
considered
you can always counter that by maximized potential/mole realized by postbiota.




Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread .
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not nearly good enough. It lacks a measurement process for the information
 irretrievably erased (all assuming time travel is impossible), and which would
 involve a hierarchy of scopes each with their own dynamics (your CNS is 
 adequately

how? evolution does take time so does not destruction of any sort
(including cost of creation, probably in terms of time) make it
measurable?


 In general destruction of inanimate things are cheap. Look at the Moon, no

if you consider time inanimate, its still not cheap vis-a-vis the time
it takes to create/grow anything. Even the Moon's evolution took some
time. So destruction whilst a finality is not cheap, hence a loss.

 ecosystems to destroy. Inasmuch destruction of future potentials is to be 
 considered
 you can always counter that by maximized potential/mole realized by postbiota.

explain ?

.



Re: [silk] Time for another FoU Camp

2008-11-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I guess I'll need to hitch a ride anyway - coming in from Madras. 

srs


 I have just booked 2 suites (3 beds/suite) at the Mysore Sports Club
 for 20th Dec. Which leaves with the next item: agenda. Thoughts? (I
 for one am OK with just letting it happen)
 
 The plan as of now is to meet up at my place and drive to Mysore from
 there. I assume Thaths will ride with me, so I have one more place
 free in my car, first come first served.




Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
  Inasmuch destruction of future potentials is to be considered
  you can always counter that by maximized potential/mole realized by
 postbiota.

 explain ?


Yes, yes, please explain. There was a loud zipping noise as this sentence
shot past over my head.

Deepa.



 .




Re: [silk] Time for another FoU Camp

2008-11-18 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I guess I'll need to hitch a ride anyway - coming in from Madras.

Solely from the efficiency point of view, and speaking to the 'anyway'
in your reply - the Shatabdi Express can get you all the way to
Mysore.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder why no one desires the most popular pastime of mankind when
 time and money are no object.

 Because it's not a thing I would like to do when I get the time it's
 the reason I don't have time to do those other things...

Despite the title, I think most people put down here wishes that they
know they have a good chance of attaining. At least I did.

Cheeni
P.S. I didn't realize you led a rock star lifestyle, remind me to pay
close attention to you the next time we meet :-)



Re: [silk] Time for another FoU Camp

2008-11-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Yeah - but half the fun is lost if I come in alone.

I've done enough traveling alone for business to last me a lifetime.

srs

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Srini Ramakrishnan
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:24 PM
 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
 Subject: Re: [silk] Time for another FoU Camp
 
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I guess I'll need to hitch a ride anyway - coming in from Madras.
 
 Solely from the efficiency point of view, and speaking to the 'anyway'
 in your reply - the Shatabdi Express can get you all the way to
 Mysore.
 
 Cheeni





Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Malini Aisola
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Mayank Dhingra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I will read all the books that I've bought and borrowed , travel both in
 India and abroad, preferably road trips and resume playing sports.

 I will do the same minus the sports (those I suck at). I will also watch a
thousand movies, learn a new language, order cable TV to watch the news
channels and food shows, and acquire a dog/cat/fish (depending on finances
and willingness to take on responsibility).


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Bonobashi
--- On Tue, 18/11/08, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] When I Have The Time
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 18 November, 2008, 7:26 PM

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder why no one desires the most popular pastime of mankind when
 time and money are no object.

 Because it's not a thing I would like to do when I get the
time it's
 the reason I don't have time to do those other things...

Despite the title, I think most people put down here wishes that they
know they have a good chance of attaining. At least I did.

Cheeni
P.S. I didn't realize you led a rock star lifestyle, remind me to pay
close attention to you the next time we meet :-)

Given for a moment that he does lead a rock star lifestyle, what good reason 
does that give you to pay close attention to him? Unless you wish to pick up 
tips at the feet of the master.




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http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Despite the title, I think most people put down here wishes that they
 know they have a good chance of attaining. At least I did.

 Cheeni
 P.S. I didn't realize you led a rock star lifestyle, remind me to pay
 close attention to you the next time we meet :-)



Cheni! Still laughing.

Deepa.


[silk] [Silk-List] Meetup in Bangalore next week

2008-11-18 Thread Ramakrishna Reddy
Hey Folks

$Subject. Anybody for a silk-list meetup in Bangalore next week.  In
Bangalore for FSCK.IN. (Err.. I mean Foss.in).  Devdas, Jace, Venky
and Biju might be the usual silkers at the conference.


regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy   GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090



Re: [silk] [Silk-List] Meetup in Bangalore next week

2008-11-18 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey Folks

 $Subject. Anybody for a silk-list meetup in Bangalore next week.  In
 Bangalore for FSCK.IN. (Err.. I mean Foss.in).  Devdas, Jace, Venky
 and Biju might be the usual silkers at the conference.

I am game. Since the sunday is off, we can probably make it overnight
as well (29th-30th Nov)
Any suggestions ?

-- Vinayak



Re: [silk] [Silk-List] Meetup in Bangalore next week

2008-11-18 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Vinayak Hegde wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Hey Folks

 $Subject. Anybody for a silk-list meetup in Bangalore next week.  In
 Bangalore for FSCK.IN. (Err.. I mean Foss.in).  Devdas, Jace, Venky
 and Biju might be the usual silkers at the conference.
 

 I am game. Since the sunday is off, we can probably make it overnight
 as well (29th-30th Nov)
 Any suggestions ?

 -- Vinayak

   

I am in. But not for an overnighter.




Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Charles Haynes
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 I wonder why no one desires the most popular pastime of mankind when
 time and money are no object.

 Because it's not a thing I would like to do when I get the time it's
 the reason I don't have time to do those other things...

 I didn't realize you led a rock star lifestyle, remind me to pay
 close attention to you the next time we meet :-)

I know you're being facetious but to be slightly more serious for a
second, while I don't consider it a rock star lifestyle, I *am*
doing the things I want to do. Travel the world, eat in interesting
places, meet interesting people, and yes, all the drugs I want
(fortunately not many), and plenty of sex. I don't have a list of
things I would do if I had the time - they're either things I'm
actually going to do (a short list) or things I've said I'm never
actually going to do this and regretfully let go of.

In any case the world has a way of rearranging your priorities when
you least expect it.

-- Charles



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 In any case the world has a way of rearranging your priorities when
 you least expect it.

Amen to that.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Mayank Dhingra

  I  will extend my list by adding things you've mentioned except for cable
 TV(not much into TV) and pet.

I would also most definitely be involved in some form of social work and
would trace my family tree back to a few
centuries :)


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Is there any reason you're editing the subject line to add your name
and others'? It breaks threading in MUAs that use the subject to group
messages (such as gmail).

Udhay

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Mayank Dhingra
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip


-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there any reason you're editing the subject line to add your name
 and others'? It breaks threading in MUAs that use the subject to group
 messages (such as gmail).

Thank you, +1



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Malini Aisola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Thank you, +1

me too, i'm feeling a little over exposed :)

Subject lines are only one carriage return away from the from field,
usually. How does this make you over exposed, and why the fear of
exposure? Just curious, since the fear seems irrational.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Malini Aisola
 
 me too, i'm feeling a little over exposed :)

 Subject lines are only one carriage return away from the from field,
 usually. How does this make you over exposed, and why the fear of
 exposure? Just curious, since the fear seems irrational.


 ummm most fears are irrational but this is not fear, just fact. my name in
the from line only appears on my posts but my name in the middle of the
subject line appears on every post in the thread.


Re: [silk] [Silk-List] Meetup in Bangalore next week

2008-11-18 Thread Devdas Bhagat
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:43:37PM +0530, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
 Hey Folks
 
 $Subject. Anybody for a silk-list meetup in Bangalore next week.  In
 Bangalore for FSCK.IN. (Err.. I mean Foss.in).  Devdas, Jace, Venky
 and Biju might be the usual silkers at the conference.

I am having to fly out on Saturday instead of Monday as originally planned
(Jet cancelled out the convinient flights on both Sunday and Monday),
so a dinner meet would be feasible. Overnighting, not so.

Devdas Bhagat



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Biju Chacko
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Malini Aisola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 me too, i'm feeling a little over exposed :)

 Subject lines are only one carriage return away from the from field,
 usually. How does this make you over exposed, and why the fear of
 exposure? Just curious, since the fear seems irrational.


 ummm most fears are irrational but this is not fear, just fact. my name in
 the from line only appears on my posts but my name in the middle of the
 subject line appears on every post in the thread.

Now that you're exposed, maybe an introduction is in order? List
convention is that non-lurkers introduce themselves.

-- b



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time (Mayank) (Malini Aisola) (Mayank)

2008-11-18 Thread Malini Aisola
 Now that you're exposed, maybe an introduction is in order? List
 convention is that non-lurkers introduce themselves.

 true, you'll have to dig through your old e-mails to find it then, won't
you? ;)


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-18 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2008-11-17 15:40:46 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd rather ask it this way: can we rationally explain our morals
 without stating it as a *belief* that something is right or wrong?
 I can't.

Doesn't that depend on what your morals are?

-- ams