[silk] Flying Bangalore to Delhi tonight?
Anyone flying from Bangalore to Delhi tonight or early tomorrow morning? (Wednesday 11th March evening or Thursday 12th March morning) If so, Please call/email me off-list Phone: 94498-02167 - Vinit
[silk] Street photography
Drawing from two recent threads... Citizen Matters published a report on the Women's Day demonstrations in Bangalore, with two of my pictures: http://bangalore.citizenmatters.in/articles/view/883-bengaluru-reacts-fearless-karnataka-campaign Their versions are heavily compressed, but you can see the originals here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jace/sets/72157614979031608/ I carried a single lens that evening -- a 50mm 1.8 prime -- and shot everything in raw format with Program mode (which is Nikonesque for semi-automatic mode) and Auto ISO, rising up to ISO 1600 as the night progressed. No flash. To process, I imported them into Lightroom using it's Auto Tone setting and exported to JPEG. I think the results speak for what is possible without being bothered with technicalities. Comments welcome. On a side note, I'd really like to have the new 35mm 1.8 DX, but no one in Bangalore seems to have it. Is there anyone travelling from the US/EU in the near future who can carry it for me? I can transfer money via Paypal or have it directly shipped to your address and cover any customs charges. Best, Jace -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
[silk] Introduction
Hi, Just wanted to drop a line to introduce myself. Some of you know me from that other venerable list called Satin, I was brought on board by the list pappy, Uday - I think he was duly impressed by how much alcohol I could put away. I'm a lawyer practising at the Supreme Court which offers plenty of opportunity to see us, as a nation, mess things up. You'll hear about plenty of such incidents in the future. I look forward to all the learning that Silk promises. Nikhil Nikhil Mehra Advocate, Supreme Court of India Tel: (+91) 9810776904 Res: C-I/10 AIIMS Campus Ansari Nagar New Delhi - 110029.
Re: [silk] Street photography
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote: Drawing from two recent threads... Citizen Matters published a report on the Women's Day demonstrations in Bangalore, with two of my pictures: http://bangalore.citizenmatters.in/articles/view/883-bengaluru-reacts-fearless-karnataka-campaign Their versions are heavily compressed, but you can see the originals here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jace/sets/72157614979031608/ Wow... every picture tells a story, as they say. Thanks for that. -T
Re: [silk] Need help
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: I am looking out for a job since the startup in Hyderabad where I was working had funding woes and had to downsize. If you are an experienced Python programmer I have a vacancy on a United Nations project. Its a full-time position with a very competitive pay package and benefits, but you will have to relocate to Nairobi, Kenya. Ashok
Re: [silk] Introduction
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Nikhil Mehra nikhil.mehra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Just wanted to drop a line to introduce myself. Some of you know me from that other venerable list called Satin, I was brought on board by the list pappy, Uday - I think he was duly impressed by how much alcohol I could put away. I'm a lawyer practising at the Supreme Court which offers plenty of opportunity to see us, as a nation, mess things up. You'll hear about plenty of such incidents in the future. I look forward to all the learning that Silk promises. Nikhil Oh, you are taking silk for the second time, then, Nikhil! Welcome, and looking forward to hearing all the stories from the Supreme Court! -Deepa.
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
I know this is going to be a top post. Gmail for blackberry will just not allow me to do otherwise. :-) So what have we decided? Crap^D^D^Dedars or benjarong? On 3/11/09, sur...@hserus.net sur...@hserus.net wrote: Introducing myself. Raja Venkataraman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedars is crap. Grt has always been known for good food. You prefer grt to bejnarong' then grt it is. Just decide so we can book a table.. -- srs / nokia e71 -original message- Subject: Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re: Introducing myself. Raja Venkataraman From: Krish Ashok krishas...@gmail.com Date: 11-03-2009 10:04 On 11-Mar-09, at 6:12 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Dinner at say 7:45, Benjarong? Or would you prefer some other location? There's also this new Mediterranean place at the GRT Grand (T Nagar) http://chennai.burrp.com/listing/restaurant/117936792_azulia And Cedars in Kotturpuram http://chennai.burrp.com/listing/restaurant/118405891_cedars -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [silk] Introduction
--- On Wed, 11/3/09, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: From: Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [silk] Introduction To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 1:14 PM On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Nikhil Mehra nikhil.mehra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Just wanted to drop a line to introduce myself. Some of you know me from that other venerable list called Satin, I was brought on board by the list pappy, Uday - I think he was duly impressed by how much alcohol I could put away. I'm a lawyer practising at the Supreme Court which offers plenty of opportunity to see us, as a nation, mess things up. You'll hear about plenty of such incidents in the future. I look forward to all the learning that Silk promises. Nikhil Oh, you are taking silk for the second time, then, Nikhil! Paari nah. Welcome, and looking forward to hearing all the stories from the Supreme Court! -Deepa. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
what happened to the grt idea? -gabin On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM, sur...@hserus.net sur...@hserus.net wrote: what do you prefer, middle eastern or thai -- srs / nokia e71 -original message- Subject: Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re: From: Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account s...@venkatmangudi.com Date: 11-03-2009 14:50 I know this is going to be a top post. Gmail for blackberry will just not allow me to do otherwise. :-) So what have we decided? Crap^D^D^Dedars or benjarong?
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
gabin kattukaran [11/03/09 15:15 +0530]: what happened to the grt idea? grt also has a middle eastern restaurant - besides south indian and generic asian. and a quite usable bar.
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote: What I was trying to 'sell' to you, Shiv, as you have spotted, is the idea that matriarchal society was the accepted norm right through pre-history, with all the riff-raff (males) sent safely far away from the camp to hunt, while grown-ups (females) worked on getting on with life, and were allowed back in with the fruits of this go-out-and-play-now only in the evening or night. This was a very stable system until patriarchal societies replaced them. The precise nature and the reasons behind this revolutionary change are far too complex to discuss even in a book or two hundred. The wandering of the Indo-Aryans was one of the phenomena which contributed to this revolution. Think of male domination of society as a disease. The IA volkswanderueng spread the patriarchal cosmogony and patriarchal social architecture over a large part of the Northern hemisphere using the very effective language and its future developed sub-forms as a vector. Recent developments in the last two thousand years are a particularly squalid manifestation of this disease - a nauseating sub-type, if you like. We have to wait for the virus to mutate into harmless forms, or find a ratiocinated cure. If you look at the way women address daily life versus the way men do, the analogy might be of a Phalcon on an IL76 platform, versus an SU 30 MKI. I hope you are enjoying it. It was like a dip in an ice-cold pool for me the first time I read it. Which book is this? -gabin -- Joan Collins - The problem with beauty is that it's like being born rich and getting poorer.
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan [11/03/09 15:21 +0530]: All for GRT? +1
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
Am ok On 3/11/09, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan chandrachoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.comwrote: what happened to the grt idea? Between Benjarong and Cedars, I prefer Cedars solely because I lunched at B only last week. So, if not Cedars, GRT works best for me in terms of travel to and from. It's a 10 minute walk from my office. All for GRT? C -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages http://www.linkedin.com/in/ravages http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/ +91-9884467463 -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
SO, it's grt then? On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: Am ok On 3/11/09, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan chandrachoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.comwrote: what happened to the grt idea? Between Benjarong and Cedars, I prefer Cedars solely because I lunched at B only last week. So, if not Cedars, GRT works best for me in terms of travel to and from. It's a 10 minute walk from my office. All for GRT? C -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages http://www.linkedin.com/in/ravages http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/ +91-9884467463 -- Sent from my mobile device -- Joan Collins - The problem with beauty is that it's like being born rich and getting poorer.
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
SO, it's grt then? GRT. How many people? Suresh Ramasubramanian Krish Ashok Chandrachoodan G Gabin Kattukaran Venkat Mangudi Sruthi Krishnan Who else? Maybe book a table for about 10 people? I know Arun Mehta is in town for this foss event ..
[silk] OT Re: Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
Folks, I screwed up and left home without my power cord. Do I have any hope of getting it when I come in at 9:35 pm on the shatabdi? I have a T61. :( On 3/11/09, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: SO, it's grt then? GRT. How many people? Suresh Ramasubramanian Krish Ashok Chandrachoodan G Gabin Kattukaran Venkat Mangudi Sruthi Krishnan Who else? Maybe book a table for about 10 people? I know Arun Mehta is in town for this foss event .. -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
2009/3/11 ss cybers...@gmail.com On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 8:14:05 am Charles Haynes wrote: As I mention above, even if you believe that children are best raised in a stable multi-adult environment, it's not clear how that implies marriage, or even traditional family. It does not, but the only known method so far is the family unit, with monogamy for the female in most societies. Nobody can argue that nothing else will work, but nothing else seems to have been thrown up as a solution in thousands of years of human history. If you know something different, I would like to know too. If one were to combine human potential and human curiosity along with rigorous science, then one would have to have an ongoing prospective research study to see whether any other model is as good or better. The only problem is that the timescales to prove or disprove anything are so large that reseacrh becomes impractical. Perhaps time will tell if there is any other method. Until then - I will continue to hold the conservative viewpoint that what seems to have worked so far might possibly be the best bet until someone else does the experimentation and figures out that something else is equally good or better. shiv monogamy and the control of women's sexuality in general, are only necessary when patrilineal private property is the norm. all communal forms are, therefore, viable alternatives. - Ingrid
Re: [silk] OT Re: Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
Have asked the hotel, never mind my previous request. Thanks for not flaming. :-) On 3/11/09, Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote: Folks, I screwed up and left home without my power cord. Do I have any hope of getting it when I come in at 9:35 pm on the shatabdi? I have a T61. :( On 3/11/09, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: SO, it's grt then? GRT. How many people? Suresh Ramasubramanian Krish Ashok Chandrachoodan G Gabin Kattukaran Venkat Mangudi Sruthi Krishnan Who else? Maybe book a table for about 10 people? I know Arun Mehta is in town for this foss event .. -- Sent from my mobile device -- Sent from my mobile device
[silk] PIN Code to Lat/Long
Hello! Would anyone know where I can find a mapping of Indian (or just Karnataka) PIN codes to Lat/Long? Thanks! -Gautam -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:51:23AM +0530, ss wrote: It seems to me that, at least for now, overpopulation is a more serious threat to sustainability. Sustainability is a function of the technology available. Unfortunately we're in an unstable regime where we need to push for ridiculously advanced technologies in a very short time frame, orelse we'll experience massive depopulation on about a century time scale. Reducing the footprint can be only a temporary stop-gap measure, and in fact could become a trap. Missing a launch windows could be fatal. I decided to respond to this separately because this is an interesting response. Overpopulation and sub fertility are two separate issues because sub-fertlity In terms of the ecosystem carrying capacity, there's definitely massive overpopulation. and falling populations are occurring in different areas of the world from the areas of high fertility and high population. The time scale is also important. Sudden changes from hyperfertility to sub-replacement fertility will set societies up for massive failure if not compensated for. What is needed is not sub-fertility in Europe and hyper-fertility in India, but exactly the opposite. I would have thought that Europe could do with increased fertlity and India with reduced fertility. No matter how many The actual reasons for subreplacement fertility are high costs. Some subpopulations do have a very high fertility which if sustained in time will break out dramatically through the receding population landscape. European women fail to have kids for the noble cause of global The less noble cause is you nowadays need two working parents to raise children, and this will bring you on the brink of poverty. The wages stayed flat since 1990, or so. overpopulation, it makes no difference to the fertility in India. Or Africa. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
OT but all this talk of marriage and family reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ysm9eRtYHk shiv
Re: [silk] Introduction
Nikhil Mehra wrote: Some of you know me from that other venerable list called Satin, Or from the venerable centre of excellence in sunny Nagarabhavi :) -- Alok Most people can't understand how others can blow their noses differently than they do. -- Turgenev
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
2009/3/11 ss cybers...@gmail.com On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 4:34:15 pm Ingrid wrote: monogamy and the control of women's sexuality in general, are only necessary when patrilineal private property is the norm. all communal forms are, therefore, viable alternatives. Could you expand on this a little bit more please shiv maternity is usually a provable fact. paternity, without DNA testing, a claim. this is not a significant issue when resources and responsibilities are jointly owned or shared by a tribe/clan/commune/kibbutz/joint family. it is also not an issue once private property is institutionalised when property is handed down the maternal line. it only becomes an issue when a) there is private property to be inherited/bequeathed and b) this is done down the paternal line since the risk of a 'cuckoo in the nest' kicks in. from a female perspective the upside to monogamy is not being left alone to raise the offspring in which she has invested greater genetic, time and effort resources than the sperm donor has. communal living and resource sharing arrangements address this more or less adequately. all the hunter-gatherer/pastoral communities i'm aware of fit this pattern i.e. they are polygamous/polyandrous and do not have severe proscriptions against what monogamous cultures term promiscuity. hence my conclusion. - Ingrid
Re: [silk] Introduction
Or from the venerable centre of excellence in sunny Nagarabhavi :) You mean the one you rejected for its mediocrity. It is a lovely, abnormal place. Dude, also I'm seriously jealous of the beard. You are definitely a man of patience. Nikhil Mehra Advocate, Supreme Court of India Tel: (+91) 9810776904 Res: C-I/10 AIIMS Campus Ansari Nagar New Delhi - 110029. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Alok G. Singh alephn...@hcoop.net wrote: Nikhil Mehra wrote: Some of you know me from that other venerable list called Satin, -- Alok Most people can't understand how others can blow their noses differently than they do. -- Turgenev
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
Can I norrow this book if someone (from silk) in Bangalore has it? V On 3/11/09, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 3:21:27 pm gabin kattukaran wrote: Which book is this? Lost Ciivilizations of the Stone Age - Richard Rudgley, Arrow 1998 -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
This is wtf-ness of the leave-me-speechless-knock-me-down-with-a-feather variety. It mocks bollywood in a way in which only someone desperately trying to imitate and not mock, can. Actually, that bit I don't find insulting, I find it amusing. Also, apparently our armed forces are equatable to some kind of damsel in distress that needs Isreali protection. I mean what's the logic behind this. Why would it work? Why would you do something this stupid when you want to bid for a contract that is of immense value? Nikhil Mehra Advocate, Supreme Court of India Tel: (+91) 9810776904 Res: C-I/10 AIIMS Campus Ansari Nagar New Delhi - 110029. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 8:34:46 am Venkat Mangudi wrote: ss wrote: On Tuesday 10 Mar 2009 3:14:28 pm gabin kattukaran wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:18 AM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/03/iron-eagle-isra.html Now I can't get the tune out of my head. It had the same effect on me. After I put it up on Youtube - I was surprised to find that it initially got a lot of hits form China of all places. Right now most of the views are from South Korea. shiv
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
easily available everywhere? On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:39 AM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 3:21:27 pm gabin kattukaran wrote: Which book is this? Lost Ciivilizations of the Stone Age - Richard Rudgley, Arrow 1998
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Nikhil Mehra nikhil.mehra...@gmail.com wrote: Also, apparently our armed forces are equatable to some kind of damsel in distress that needs Isreali protection. My interpretation was that Israel would like to do to the Indian armed forces what the guy would like to do (to) the damsels in the video. Thaths -- You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel. -- Homer J. Simpson
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 8:25:00 pm Nikhil Mehra wrote: This is wtf-ness of the leave-me-speechless-knock-me-down-with-a-feather variety. It mocks bollywood in a way in which only someone desperately trying to imitate and not mock, can. Actually, that bit I don't find insulting, I find it amusing. Also, apparently our armed forces are equatable to some kind of damsel in distress that needs Isreali protection. I mean what's the logic behind this. Why would it work? Why would you do something this stupid when you want to bid for a contract that is of immense value? :D I seem to be in a minority. I liked the video as a bit of fun. It all depends on how yo erad the symbolism. If you look at ethe girl as India and the man as Israel all these objections could arise. But I think you need to look at the company Rafael promoting its missiles to a end user together forever - I'll hold you in my heart Like I said I loved the video. It's original if nothing else. shiv
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 6:46:40 pm Ingrid wrote: maternity is usually a provable fact. paternity, without DNA testing, a claim. this is not a significant issue when resources and responsibilities are jointly owned or shared by a tribe/clan/commune/kibbutz/joint family. it is also not an issue once private property is institutionalised when property is handed down the maternal line. it only becomes an issue when a) there is private property to be inherited/bequeathed and b) this is done down the paternal line since the risk of a 'cuckoo in the nest' kicks in. from a female perspective the upside to monogamy is not being left alone to raise the offspring in which she has invested greater genetic, time and effort resources than the sperm donor has. communal living and resource sharing arrangements address this more or less adequately. all the hunter-gatherer/pastoral communities i'm aware of fit this pattern i.e. they are polygamous/polyandrous and do not have severe proscriptions against what monogamous cultures term promiscuity. hence my conclusion. Very interesting. Thanks. shiv
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
[Meta: Glad to see Bonobashi has (for the most part) fixed his mail client's quoting] On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Bonobashi bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote: The wandering of the Indo-Aryans was one of the phenomena which contributed to this revolution. Think of male domination of society as a disease. The IA volkswanderueng spread the patriarchal cosmogony and patriarchal social architecture over a large part of the Northern hemisphere using the very effective language and its future developed sub-forms as a vector. I am confused about the collation of Indo-Aryan (ethnicity, for I lack a better term) and Indo European. The former a branch of a people who migrated from Western Asia/Easter Europe and the latter, a collection of languages that all evolved from a parent proto language. The Indo-Aryans spoke one of the (many) Indo European languages. To have had the sort of effect you are talking about the language that the Indo-Aryans spoke must be very close to the trunk of Indo European languages (which is not what most Linguists say) and they must have spread to more parts of the world than is accepted wisdom among historians. Thaths -- You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel. -- Homer J. Simpson
Re: [silk] Street photography
Shooting in RAW requires access to a software like Lightroom else it is not practical. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote: Drawing from two recent threads... Citizen Matters published a report on the Women's Day demonstrations in Bangalore, with two of my pictures: http://bangalore.citizenmatters.in/articles/view/883-bengaluru-reacts-fearless-karnataka-campaign Their versions are heavily compressed, but you can see the originals here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jace/sets/72157614979031608/ I carried a single lens that evening -- a 50mm 1.8 prime -- and shot everything in raw format with Program mode (which is Nikonesque for semi-automatic mode) and Auto ISO, rising up to ISO 1600 as the night progressed. No flash. To process, I imported them into Lightroom using it's Auto Tone setting and exported to JPEG. I think the results speak for what is possible without being bothered with technicalities. Comments welcome. On a side note, I'd really like to have the new 35mm 1.8 DX, but no one in Bangalore seems to have it. Is there anyone travelling from the US/EU in the near future who can carry it for me? I can transfer money via Paypal or have it directly shipped to your address and cover any customs charges. Best, Jace -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
Re: [silk] Street photography
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: Shooting in RAW requires access to a software like Lightroom else it is not practical. Many software (including free ones like Picasa) can recognize RAW format. JPG is a lossy format. Every time you make changes to the image and save it, you introduce more loss of information in your image. If you shoot in RAW format, you can do more post processing (if you are into that sort of thing). Thaths -- You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel. -- Homer J. Simpson
Re: [silk] Street photography
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: Shooting in RAW requires access to a software like Lightroom else it is not practical. Many software (including free ones like Picasa) can recognize RAW format. JPG is a lossy format. Every time you make changes to the image and save it, you introduce more loss of information in your image. If you shoot in RAW format, you can do more post processing (if you are into that sort of thing). Thaths What I have found is, if speedy documentation is what you want to do, then shooting in JPG format is better; it saves a lot of time, occupies less space on your camera memory card. But if you like to tweak your photographs, then shooting in RAW is better. Some photographers shoot in both and this often results in the memory card becoming full just as the really interesting photo-opportunity arrives! I find that many of my friends post just a few photographs from the hundreds that they shoot. And that, after a long gap...because post-processing takes time and effort. But having said thata well-processed photograph is indeed a thing of beauty, and enhances the appeal of the original image quite a bit. Deepa.
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
:D I seem to be in a minority. I liked the video as a bit of fun. It all depends on how yo erad the symbolism. If you look at ethe girl as India and the man as Israel all these objections could arise. But I think you need to look at the company Rafael promoting its missiles to a end user together forever - I'll hold you in my heart Like I said I loved the video. It's original if nothing else. I totally get this perspective but I felt that this isn;t the kind of topic or industry in which innovative ways to make your point are necessary. I can't imagine a committee of generals or other high-ups in the armed forces being even mildly amused by this. Hence, I thought it was self-defeating. Nikhil Mehra Advocate, Supreme Court of India Tel: (+91) 9810776904 Res: C-I/10 AIIMS Campus Ansari Nagar New Delhi - 110029. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:51 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 8:25:00 pm Nikhil Mehra wrote: This is wtf-ness of the leave-me-speechless-knock-me-down-with-a-feather variety. It mocks bollywood in a way in which only someone desperately trying to imitate and not mock, can. Actually, that bit I don't find insulting, I find it amusing. Also, apparently our armed forces are equatable to some kind of damsel in distress that needs Isreali protection. I mean what's the logic behind this. Why would it work? Why would you do something this stupid when you want to bid for a contract that is of immense value? :D I seem to be in a minority. I liked the video as a bit of fun. It all depends on how yo erad the symbolism. If you look at ethe girl as India and the man as Israel all these objections could arise. But I think you need to look at the company Rafael promoting its missiles to a end user together forever - I'll hold you in my heart Like I said I loved the video. It's original if nothing else. shiv
Re: [silk] Street photography
2009/3/11 Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com Shooting in RAW requires access to a software like Lightroom else it is not practical. Several of the photos I've processed this month were done with F-Spot and UFRaw on an Ubuntu netbook. It's totally practical. Picasa also has a nice, easy to use interface, but for the fatal drawback of not being able to read EXIF tags from raw images. I've used exiftool to copy from raw to jpeg, but it's not practical. F-Spot+UFRaw on the other hand works very well. I use Lightroom when I have a large batch to process quickly; F-Spot+UFRaw when on the road. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
Re: [silk] Street photography
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote: Several of the photos I've processed this month were done with F-Spot and UFRaw on an Ubuntu netbook. It's totally practical. I am surprised that no one mentioned GIMP. There is in fact an excellent video podcast on post processing using GIMP http://meetthegimp.org/ -- Vinayak
Re: [silk] Street photography
2009/3/11 Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com: well, I was about to ask Kiranjace about GIMP, which I have downloaded but never used! But you forestalled me. GIMP seems to work with JPG images, too. And it's nice and freeunlike Photoshop and its $1000 times 51 rupees... Thanks for that link VinayakH, I will visit. There is a very cheap alternative to buying Photoshop at the market price. Just ask any buddy of yours working in Adobe Bangalore to buy the employee discounted version of it. I got the entire suite for $80 and it works just like the one you buy for $1000, updates and all. Kiran
Re: [silk] Street photography
2009/3/11 Thaths tha...@gmail.com Are you sure that the Adobe EULA allows this? If one is going to break the EULA anyway, there are several torrents available online for getting Adobe s/w suite at no additional cost. BTW, I am not condoning the downloading of pirated copies of Adobe software. In fact, I bought my copy of Lightroom. Yep. I have even contacted Adobe support for an installation problem with my registration key, after telling them that a friend in Adobe got it for me. There are restrictions however. They allow only one suite per employee per year and there are some others. You should see what the MS Office suite gets sold at at the MS Store in Redmond (I have one of those too) :) Kiran
Re: [silk] PIN Code to Lat/Long
2009/3/11 Gautam John gkj...@gmail.com Would anyone know where I can find a mapping of Indian (or just Karnataka) PIN codes to Lat/Long? These guys seem to have a good db. Browse for free online or buy the Indian database for €50. http://www.geopostcodes.com/index.php?pg=browsegrp=1sort=1niv=4id=3807l=0 -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
Re: [silk] PIN Code to Lat/Long
2009/3/11 Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com These guys seem to have a good db. Browse for free online or buy the Indian database for €50. http://www.geopostcodes.com/index.php?pg=browsegrp=1sort=1niv=4id=3807l=0 I just noticed that the post codes are only mapped to the district level. That's totally not worth €50. You can do it yourself using OpenStreetMap and the public Indian postcode database. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
Re: [silk] PIN Code to Lat/Long
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote: I just noticed that the post codes are only mapped to the district level. That's totally not worth €50. You can do it yourself using OpenStreetMap and the public Indian postcode database. Thanks Kiran! -- Please read our new blog at: http://blog.prathambooks.org
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
Also, apparently our armed forces are equatable to some kind of damsel in distress that needs Isreali protection. My interpretation was that Israel would like to do to the Indian armed forces what the guy would like to do (to) the damsels in the video. Thaths For some reason, I couldn't bring myself to see the whole video. It may have had something to do with how utterly crappy it looked. I mean, sure, someone in the Israeli company decided they wanted to get this video made. But why the heck not go and hire a decent Bollywood music director to do it. Heck, even a decent any-wood director. This is like IBM trying to market it's supercomputers with mailed postcards! Just not the right medium for the target market. - Vinit
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:51:01PM +0530, ss wrote: Like I said I loved the video. It's original if nothing else. i loved it too. it was so sad-funny. and low budget. shows a sense of humour. but a poor judgement of the customer, since i don't think indian defence bureaucrats (or for that matter, israeli defence bureaucrats) share that humour. must have been made by a couple of kids from the draft. -r
Re: [silk] Introduction
Nikhil Mehra wrote: Hi, Just wanted to drop a line to introduce myself. Some of you know me from that other venerable list called Satin, I was brought on board by the list pappy, Uday - I think he was duly impressed by how much alcohol I could put This is Udhay getting back at me for poaching some of his silk peeps, isn't it? He poaches right back. :P -- * Madhu Menon Shiok Far-eastern Cuisine | Moss Cocktail Lounge 96, Amar Jyoti Layout, Inner Ring Road, Bangalore @ http://shiokfood.comhttp://mosslounge.com Join the Moss group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39295417270
Re: [silk] Introduction
This is Udhay getting back at me for poaching some of his silk peeps, isn't it? He poaches right back. :P Madhu, You're my first and sole love. Nuff said. Nikhil -- * Madhu Menon Shiok Far-eastern Cuisine | Moss Cocktail Lounge 96, Amar Jyoti Layout, Inner Ring Road, Bangalore @ http://shiokfood.comhttp://mosslounge.com Join the Moss group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39295417270
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
Also, from what I've read: - DNA testing of hunter / gatherer societies show different dispersion of parentage - much more of the supposed alpha-male-in-a-commune kind of patterns, with no discernible lineage of the two-parents-in-mutual-fidelity kind - this two-parent-in-mutual-fidelity lineage begins to get visible from times when men settled down and became agrarian - i.e. recent centuries / millenia - this begets the theory that fidelity is a recent construct that was actually implemented by males, to ensure their property (i.e. land) went to their heirs, and not to the heirs of their partner that were not provably from their sperm. I.e. the threat of withholding hereditary property was used as a threat to keep potentially wayward females in line. - which begets the theory that the religions with the most proscriptions on female behaviour (of the thou-shalt-not-stray kind) are those run by rich old males - ie. Christianity and Islam - which seems to neatly back up Ingrid's point that fidelity is a relatively modern social construct that is designed to preserve hereditary property in patrilineal societies. - Fidelity doesn't need to - and indeed doesn't - exist in property-agnostic cultures (i.e. the very poor / very rich classes and hence the adage about fidelity being the hobgoblin that haunts the middle class) and also in cultures that are matrilineal, like modern Iceland / parts of Kerala / Bengal / the North East of India etc. - Fidelity is an aberration from the point of view of evolutionary biology, where fidelity is not indicated as a means to produce the fittest offspring. - If you were to consider humankind as merely another specie, then the female's best chance of producing a child that survives is to (a) find a mate that provides the best nest (loosely speaking: a rich, stable guy) and (b) to do so with the best sperm (which is usually from the alpha male kind - and those are rarely the types to be stable nest providers). - Virtually no species on Earth display fidelity - and most display some variant of this live-with-nest-provider-but-get-sperm-from-alpha-male indicated behaviour that is most preferred from an evolutionary point of view. This behaviour is not uncommon among humankind either, with it offering sufficient grist-for-the-mill for soap operas around the planet. My $0.02, Mahesh On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:53 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 6:46:40 pm Ingrid wrote: maternity is usually a provable fact. paternity, without DNA testing, a claim. this is not a significant issue when resources and responsibilities are jointly owned or shared by a tribe/clan/commune/kibbutz/joint family. it is also not an issue once private property is institutionalised when property is handed down the maternal line. it only becomes an issue when a) there is private property to be inherited/bequeathed and b) this is done down the paternal line since the risk of a 'cuckoo in the nest' kicks in. from a female perspective the upside to monogamy is not being left alone to raise the offspring in which she has invested greater genetic, time and effort resources than the sperm donor has. communal living and resource sharing arrangements address this more or less adequately. all the hunter-gatherer/pastoral communities i'm aware of fit this pattern i.e. they are polygamous/polyandrous and do not have severe proscriptions against what monogamous cultures term promiscuity. hence my conclusion. Very interesting. Thanks. shiv
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
Also, from what I've read: - DNA testing of hunter / gatherer societies show different dispersion of parentage - much more of the supposed alpha-male-in-a-commune kind of patterns, with no discernible lineage of the JADP, even in modern Western societies, dispersion of parentage is much higher than most people would assume. I remember reading about some study done in pre-DNA testing days (maybe the 70s or the 80s) using blood types, which showed that something like 10% of children were not fathered by the man they thought was their father. And the true number is probably much higher because (as I understand it), blood type testing is cruder than DNA testing, and does not distinguish in some cases between a father and son who are not biologically related. Badri
Re: [silk] Street photography
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: Shooting in RAW requires access to a software like Lightroom else it is not practical. Well, there are alternatives, but Lightroom and Aperture seem the best right now. I use a tool called ViewNX - from Nikon. Fairly decent picture manager and RAW reader. It lets you do basic posting of your RAW files (reads only Nikon Raw (NEF), obviously) and add tags/XML data to your images. You can then convert it to JPG, GIF, TIFF and PNG and do your Photoshop/Gimp things on it. C -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages http://www.linkedin.com/in/ravages http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/ +91-9884467463
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
I've heard the number 10% for India too. That's somewhat astounding - implying that some 100+ million people here are not the children of their mothers' long-term partners. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Badri Natarajan asi...@vsnl.com wrote: Also, from what I've read: - DNA testing of hunter / gatherer societies show different dispersion of parentage - much more of the supposed alpha-male-in-a-commune kind of patterns, with no discernible lineage of the JADP, even in modern Western societies, dispersion of parentage is much higher than most people would assume. I remember reading about some study done in pre-DNA testing days (maybe the 70s or the 80s) using blood types, which showed that something like 10% of children were not fathered by the man they thought was their father. And the true number is probably much higher because (as I understand it), blood type testing is cruder than DNA testing, and does not distinguish in some cases between a father and son who are not biologically related. Badri
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Rishab Ghosh ris...@dxm.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:51:01PM +0530, ss wrote: Like I said I loved the video. It's original if nothing else. i loved it too. it was so sad-funny. and low budget. shows a sense of humour. but a poor judgement of the customer, since i don't think indian defence bureaucrats (or for that matter, israeli defence bureaucrats) share that humour. must have been made by a couple of kids from the draft. OTOH, maybe the israelis know something about your defence bureaucrats that you don't. Andre
Re: [silk] Street photography
At 2009-03-11 21:59:28 +0530, j...@pobox.com wrote: Several of the photos I've processed this month were done with F-Spot and UFRaw on an Ubuntu netbook. It's totally practical. http://www.rawtherapee.com also looks pretty good. -- ams
Re: [silk] Tell me what I might want to search for *or* read my mind
We find that proper-nouns constitute 40% of query terms, and proper nouns and nouns together constitute over 70% of query terms. We also show that the majority of queries are nounphrases, not unstructured collections of terms. Way back when, we had a web-authoring environment that proposed likely hyperlinks by picking noun phrases out of a draft webpage and matching them against a full-text index of other content on the same server. At the time NCSA's what's new page was state-of-the-art in finding third-party web content; it might be interesting were someone else to take a run at that fence using modern search engine queries... -Dave
[silk] Need some help
We are looking to rent a 2 BHK apartment in Wilson Garden, Lal Bagh Road, Jayanagar or JP Nagar 1st phase area. If people know of options, please let us know. Sorry for posting on this list. Cheers, Zainab -- Zainab Bawa Ph.D. Student and Independent Researcher Between Places ... http://wbfs.wordpress.com
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
Its chandrachoodan's birthday I see, from facebook. Now what do we do to him when we meet him at the dinner? Sing happy birthday and cut a cake too? :) Suresh Ramasubramanian [11/03/09 15:53 +0530]: SO, it's grt then? GRT. How many people? Suresh Ramasubramanian Krish Ashok Chandrachoodan G Gabin Kattukaran Venkat Mangudi Sruthi Krishnan Who else? Maybe book a table for about 10 people? I know Arun Mehta is in town for this foss event ..
Re: [silk] Need some help
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: What we need is a craigslist for silklist, eh udhay? And maybe a variant of meetup.com for silklist, to plan silkmeets. That way the want to rent an apartment, need a laptop power cord, let's meet at GRT instead of at Benjarong can be forked elsewhere .. silklisters not in madras or bangalore can just ignore it. Considering the very low percentage of such requests why have another administrative task? Guess you could just leave it the way it is. Most requests get resolved off-list anyways. Just my opinion. Venkat
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 9:29:13 pm Nikhil Mehra wrote: I totally get this perspective but I felt that this isn;t the kind of topic or industry in which innovative ways to make your point are necessary. I can't imagine a committee of generals or other high-ups in the armed forces being even mildly amused by this. Hence, I thought it was self-defeating. I think they did it as timepass for the public. They have figured out that a huge number of visitors are just curious onlookers and enthusiasts. Israeli stalls tend to have fairly dramatic videos of mayhem from the thousands of action videos they have. Those were there too as usual - but they have seta precedent and I wonder if someone will learn from them and do something similar. shiv
Re: [silk] Dinga Dee
On Wednesday 11 Mar 2009 11:51:54 pm Rishab Ghosh wrote: i loved it too. it was so sad-funny. and low budget. shows a sense of humour. but a poor judgement of the customer, since i don't think indian defence bureaucrats (or for that matter, israeli defence bureaucrats) share that humour. must have been made by a couple of kids from the draft. What surprised me was that after I spent some minutes videographing that video and uploading it a couple of days later - a friend of mine - who is by all accounts very modern and liberal (he is also 25 years younger than I am) apparantly got the Rafael stall to pull the video because it offends Hindu sensibilities Obviously there seem to be many things that offend many people. But frankly I did not find the video any worse than scores other song and dance sequences that expose themselves to me as I live my life. shiv
Re: [silk] What is Indian culture?
On Thursday 12 Mar 2009 1:43:11 am Mahesh Murthy wrote: - Fidelity is an aberration from the point of view of evolutionary biology, where fidelity is not indicated as a means to produce the fittest offspring. - If you were to consider humankind as merely another specie, then the female's best chance of producing a child that survives is to (a) find a mate that provides the best nest (loosely speaking: a rich, stable guy) and (b) to do so with the best sperm (which is usually from the alpha male kind - and those are rarely the types to be stable nest providers). - Virtually no species on Earth display fidelity - and most display some variant of this live-with-nest-provider-but-get-sperm-from-alpha-male indicated behaviour that is most preferred from an evolutionary point of view. This behaviour is not uncommon among humankind either, with it offering sufficient grist-for-the-mill for soap operas around the planet. The theory sounds compelling and deserves to be considered as a close approximation of reality - but going by Hindu tradition the demand for female fidelity is older than Christianity and Islam. Certainly the acquisition/control of property (a geographical area with resources?) by a physically dominant male would seem to demand female fidelity. But when you compare with animal societies - you tend to find that all competing male sexual partners are kept well out of the way by the dominant alpha male as long as he is able to physically dominate. And during this period female fidelity (and monogamy) is enforced. And the male too is unable to leave his group and wander into some other male's territory and gather more females. Even with all this I think one in five primate species are apparently mainly monoogamous which suggests that there may be some survival advantages in monogamy. It is simplistic to pin down human behavior by comparing with any convenient animal society depending on what bias one might want to highlight. Popular science tends to justify recreational sex in humans based on observations of some animal species - which seems to be a conveinient way of saying 'Bonobos have fun sex aso it is natural for humans to do that - don't feel guilty. This is no different from preacher quoting the example of some supposedly monogamous species to follow. Speaking of animals and survival traits, it is likely that the institution of marriage was merely a formalization of a widespread human custom that aided survival of cooperative human societies (increased cooperation, decreased infighting) by demanding male fidelity as well as female fidelity. Female fidelity to one partner at a time seems to be the norm for almost any species, and male fidelity to one or a group of females is ensured by the need to fight off other competing males. So fidelity during significant sexually active phases of animal life does not seem unusual at all. Its not as if animals are randomly f*ck1ng around. shiv
Re: [silk] Street photography
2009/3/12 Abhijit Menon-Sen a...@toroid.org http://www.rawtherapee.com also looks pretty good. Tried it. There's also RawStudio, LightZone and Bibble, but all of them either (a) have trouble with the small screen of a netbook and/or (b) have too many sliders and too few automagic buttons. I also tried Digikam, but I still can't get over my initial scarring with KDE's sense of UI design. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
Re: [silk] Post locations too .. RE: Chennai Meet - was Re:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.netwrote: Its chandrachoodan's birthday I see, from facebook. Now what do we do to him when we meet him at the dinner? Sing happy birthday and cut a cake too? :) Or, we could just wish him well and deny him the chance to pay tonight's bill. :P On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.comwrote: Of course. Happy birthday @ravages. Thanks saar! C -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages http://www.linkedin.com/in/ravages http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/ +91-9884467463
