Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse
Thanks for posting! Am a bit surprised--how come there were no comparisons made to 4Chan adn some of the campaigns against Scientology arising from there, especially since that was referenced in an earlier article on trolling ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1sq=trolling%204chanst=csescp=1pagewanted=all) ? On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html?hp=pagewanted=all
Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse
A “human flesh search engine” certainly called up some 4chan / goatse (or maybe hp lovecraft) imagery, to be honest. From: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net [mailto:silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Chew Lin Kay Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2010 1:55 PM To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse Thanks for posting! Am a bit surprised--how come there were no comparisons made to 4Chan adn some of the campaigns against Scientology arising from there, especially since that was referenced in an earlier article on trolling (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1sq=trolling%204chanst=csescp=1pagewanted=all sq=trolling%204chanst=csescp=1pagewanted=all) ? On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html?hp= http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html?hp=pagewanted=all pagewanted=all
Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse
Srini RamaKrishnan [Monday, 8 March 2010 4:22 PM]: China’s Cyberposse A cyberposse in search of the killing of a cyberpussy
Re: [silk] How did it get this title?
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Bruce Metcalf bruce.metc...@figzu.comwrote:From the source code for http://silk.arachnis.com/: TITLESilk-list : Intelligent Conversation/TITLE META NAME=author content=Udhay Shankar N Bruce Professional Reference Librarian oho! Thank you, Bruce. I know the culprit now :) Reminds me of the old chestnut about the telegram that was sent to the task force storming the Golden Temple during the militant occupation...the brief was to apprehend the culprits. Someone sent back a note saying that they had apprehended Kulbhushan and Kuldeep but Kulpreet was not to be found. Deepa.
[silk] Atemporality for the Creative Artist
Given that a mailing list is one example (possibly the earliest example) of an asynchronous many-to-many discussion/narrative, reposting this like so has a deliciously recursive feel to it. For a slightly different take on the notion of 'atemporality', see http://www.mrlizard.com/OldSite/permaculture.html Udhay http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2010/02/atemporality-for-the-creative-artist/ Atemporality for the Creative Artist * By Bruce Sterling * February 25, 2010 *An unrepentant sympathizer took the trouble to type up a full transcript of my speech at Transmediale 10 on February 6. *Since this volunteer made such a noble effort, it deserves to be pitched straight into the “Internet meme ooze” of blogs and social media. Here you are. “Atemporality for the Creative Artist” Bruce Sterling Transmediale 10, Berlin, Feb. 6, 02010 I would like to talk about this slogan ‘Futurity Now,’ and how the idea of ‘futurity now’ might become common sense. Not a contradiction in terms, which it obviously is right now, but a legitimate demand. Or a claim, or a lament. So, what is ‘atemporality’? I think it’s best defined as ‘a problem in the philosophy of history’. And I hate to resort to philosophy, because I am a novelist. But I don’t think we have any way out here. It is about the nature of historical knowledge. What we can know about the past, and about the present, and about the future. How do we represent and explain history to ourselves? What are its structures and its circumstances? What are the dynamics of history and futurity? What has happened before? What is happening now? What is really likely to happen next? History is not a science; history is an effort in the humanities. It’s about meanings, values, language, historical identity, institutions, culture. The philosophy of history is about very standard philosophical issues, like ontology, hermeneutics, and epistemology. And I know that’s true, and I can’t help it. But we only have forty minutes here. So I want to deliver a speech that’s in two parts. The first is about atemporality as a modern phenomenon. What does it look like and feel like, as it actually exists? And the second part of the speech is: what can creative artists do about that? So this is ‘Atemporality for the Creative Artist’. Now let me start with an anecdote, because I am a novelist rather than a philosopher, and I kinda like to tell stories. So what makes an atemporal situation diferent from a post-modern situation, or a modernist situation, or a classicist situation, what’s really different about it? Well, let me take a guy who I am very fond of, a very immediate, hard-headed scientific thinker - Richard Feynman, American physicist. Richard Feynman once wrote about intellectual labor, and he said the following: ‘Step one - write down the problem. Step two - think really hard. Step three - write down the solution’. And I really admire this statement of Feynman’s. It’s no-nonsense, it’s no fakery, it’s about hard work for the intellectual laborer… Of course it’s a joke. But it’s not merely a joke. He is trying to make it as simple as possible. I mean: really just confront the intellectual problem! But there is an unexamined assumption in Feynman’s method, and it’s in step one - write down the problem. Now let me tell you how the atemporal Richard Feynman approaches this. The atemporal Richard Feynman is not very paper-friendly, because he lives in a network culture. So it occurs to the atemporal Feynman that he may, or may not, have a problem. ‘Step one - write problem in a search engine, see if somebody else has solved it already. Step two - write problem in my blog; study the commentory cross-linked to other guys. Step three - write my problem in Twitter in a hundred and forty characters. See if I can get it that small. See if it gets retweeted. Step four - open source the problem; supply some instructables to get me as far as I’ve been able to get, see if the community takes it any further. Step five - start a Ning social network about my problem, name the network after my problem, see if anybody accumulates around my problem. Step six - make a video of my problem. Youtube my video, see if it spreads virally, see if any media convergence accumulates around my problem. Step seven - create a design fiction that pretends that my problem has already been solved. Create some gadget or application or product that has some relevance to my problem and see if anybody builds it. Step eight - exacerbate or intensify my problem with a work of interventionist tactical media. And step nine - find some kind of pretty illustrations from the Flickr ‘Looking into the Past’ photo pool.’ (If you don’t get what atemporality is by the end of these few images, I probably can’t help you.) So, old Feynman, who was not the atemporal Feynman, would naturally object: ‘You have not solved the problem! You have not advanced scientific knowledge. There is no progress in this. You
Re: [silk] Meet-up in Bangalore?
On Monday 08 March 2010 08:07 PM, ss wrote: ..have friends visiting from 12th to the 15th. So, they'll join in? Or will that keep you from meeting up? And, how does Sunday (14th) evening sound? From the previous mails, it seems Aditya, Udhay and Suresh are in. - Pranesh signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse
The parallels are only about half correct though, the trolling is viewed by society as misguided at best, whereas the Chinese cyberposse has societal recognition and de facto government support. That mainstream sanction makes a lot of difference. Cheeni On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Chew Lin Kay chewlin@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting! Am a bit surprised--how come there were no comparisons made to 4Chan adn some of the campaigns against Scientology arising from there, especially since that was referenced in an earlier article on trolling (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1sq=trolling%204chanst=csescp=1pagewanted=all) ? On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html?hp=pagewanted=all
Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.comwrote: The parallels are only about half correct though, the trolling is viewed by society as misguided at best, whereas the Chinese cyberposse has societal recognition and de facto government support. That mainstream sanction makes a lot of difference. Cheeni On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Chew Lin Kay chewlin@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting! Am a bit surprised--how come there were no comparisons made to 4Chan adn some of the campaigns against Scientology arising from there, especially since that was referenced in an earlier article on trolling ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1sq=trolling%204chanst=csescp=1pagewanted=all ) Top-posting on Silk! Tsk, tsk, tsk, Cheeni! Deepa.
Re: [silk] China’s Cyberposse
On Thursday 11 Mar 2010 3:29:39 am Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: The parallels are only about half correct though, the trolling is viewed by society as misguided at best, whereas the Chinese cyberposse has societal recognition and de facto government support. That mainstream sanction makes a lot of difference. There is a famous Sanskrit poem from the Vedas: Jo Lahore mein gaandu, woh Peshawar mein bi gaandu For those who are Sanskrit challenged it means He who is an asshole in Lahore remains an asshole in Peshawar too For the system to allow gaandus to thrive, the system must consist of gaandus. Thus spake the rishis of yore. shiv
