Re: [silk] Climate Panel Cites Near Certainty on Warming - NYTimes.com

2013-08-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 06:14:09AM +0530, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:

 Crude Oil was $30 a decade ago, $110 now and likely $250 in a decade. India

Won't happen due to demand destruction (assuming you account for
inflation). Which is a bad thing, obviously, given that there are
no alternatives to shift to.

 doesn't have the extraction capability, the military or economic might or
 the underground reserves to satisfy its population by a very long shot.
 China has more of everything and it's unlikely that even China will emerge
 with all its population intact.



Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread SS
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 12:37 +0530, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote:
 
 Perhaps I've just met the wrong demographic among those who read
 self-help
 books, but most of those who have pushed such books at me were fairly
 successful - and I wasn't aware of any failure that prompted them to
 read
 such books. 

Interesting observation and here is my explanation

The person/s who pushed such books were fairly successful in your
eyes, but they might feel that they are not successful enough. I have
seen this among several colleagues of mine, who have, from time to time
referred to self improvement books or courses they have attended. 

shiv




Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 27 August 2013 19:02, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:


 Why the dichotomy? Are you suggesting that personality/character is not
 trainable/malleable?


Trainable - perhaps
Malleable - absolutely

Kiran


Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
On 28 August 2013 18:19, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting observation and here is my explanation

 The person/s who pushed such books were fairly successful in your
 eyes, but they might feel that they are not successful enough. I have
 seen this among several colleagues of mine, who have, from time to time
 referred to self improvement books or courses they have attended.


Either that or self-affirmation is the motive.

Kiran


Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Thaths
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan 
kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 August 2013 19:02, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Why the dichotomy? Are you suggesting that personality/character is not
  trainable/malleable?
 Trainable - perhaps
 Malleable - absolutely


I still don't understand why you say skill training is different from
behavior training.  There is increasing evidence showing that
personality/character is trainable.

See:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/brains/2007/04/train_your_brain.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness_(psychology)

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:


 Isn't improving one's life just a collection of individual life hacks?


Some improvements can be achieved by a sequence of locally optimal smaller
improvements, but not all.

Which is to say, you may not be able to hack your way to happiness.

-- Charles
*
*
*In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind
there are few*.


Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Charles Haynes
charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Which is to say, you may not be able to hack your way to happiness.

I have personal experience that is very much to the contrary but I'm
just a data point and not a representative sample size.



Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Thaths
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Charles Haynes charles.hay...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Isn't improving one's life just a collection of individual life hacks?
 Some improvements can be achieved by a sequence of locally optimal smaller
 improvements, but not all.

 Which is to say, you may not be able to hack your way to happiness.


may not is not the same as will not, right? I wonder why some people
are more successful at this than others. I suspect debilitating conditions
like clinical depression makes it difficult for some to achieve happiness.

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
When I say A hill climbing algorithm does not always find a global
maximum and you reply But mine did! I have three replies.

1) That does not refute the original assertion (as I'm sure you know)
2) How do you know? (That you found the global maximum)
3) If the plural of anecdote is not data, then obviously the singular is
not (as you know)

-- Charles



Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Haynes
Well for one reason, you may have the problem that all hill climbing
algorithms are subject to. You may get stuck on a local maximum where
every small change (hack) actually makes things worse.

In which case you either have to completely change where you're starting
from, or you have to use an algorithm that is not based on small continuous
improvements.

(or be happy with a local maximum!) :)

-- Charles


Re: [silk] Myanmar siklisters/advice?

2013-08-28 Thread John Sundman
Wow. Great photos.

jrs

On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Thaths wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Charles Haynes hay...@edgeplay.org wrote:
 
 I'm leaving for Myanmar in three days, are there any silklisters in Myanmar
 that would like to meet?
 
 
 I was in Myanmar earlier this year. Photos from my trip:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/thaths/sets/72157634459216225/
 
 
 Alternatively, are there any silklisters about things to see or do while in
 Myanmar? Our basic plan is to land in Yangon, spend a very small amount of
 time there, then make our way overland to the Inle Lake area and then to
 Bagan. Am hoping to take the slow train for some of the journey, and
 busses and boats for other parts.
 
 
 General
 * Have hotel reservations. At a minimum for the first few days of your stay
 in Myanmar. Medium- and high-end hotels are very heavily booked. If
 possible, have reservations for your whole trip before you go. But if that
 doesn't work, check into your first hotel and ask for their help in finding
 you reservations for the rest of your trip.
 * Myanmar is expensive compared to Thailand/Cambodia/Laos
 
 Yangon:
 * Definitely try the food and beer on 19th street in Yangon
 * In terms of beer, my favorite was Dagon draft
 * Try the spirulina beer if you can find it (I tried it in someplace near
 Mandalay)
 
 Inle Lake:
 * IMO, this is overrated and crowded with tourists. I completely skipped
 it. YMMV.
 
 Bagan:
 * Stay in Nyaung U or Old Bagan
 * Rent a horsecart or taxi to take you to sunrise (they know the few
 remaining temples where you can clamber on top of the temples. Most temple
 towers are closed these days) and show you the lay of the land
 * Rent a bicycle for another 2 days and look around the temples at your own
 pace
 * My favorite temples were: Shwezigon Paya, Ananda Pahto, Upali Thein,
 Sulamani Paya
 
 Slow trains:
 * Except for a long boat trip and a couple of bus rides, I almost
 exclusively went by trains.
 * There are two beautiful, memorable slow train journeys (both into the
 Shan hills) in Burma:
  * Mandalay - Pyin Oo Lwin -
 Lashiohttp://www.seat61.com/Burma.htm#Mandalay - Pyin Oo Lwin
  * Thazi - Kalaw http://www.seat61.com/Burma.htm#Yangon or Mandalay to
 Inle Lake
 * Among the two, the Thazi-Kalaw line is less crowded (and more scenic,
 IMO)
 * If you arrived in Thazi from Yangon (or Mandalay), you may have to end up
 spending the night in Thazi. The train from Thazi to Kalaw departs at 6 am
 in the morning. There are only a couple of hotels in Thazi (one of them run
 by the military) and they are both not very good.
 
 
 Haven't decided if we should go to Mandalay or not, and am not entirely
 sure I want to stick so closely to the main popular tourist route.
 
 
 Sadly, half the country is still closed to tourists (through travel
 restrictions or expense). There isn't that much outside of the
 Yangon-Bagan-Mandalay-Inle Lake circuit.
 
 One thing you could do is go South East of Yangon towards
 Mawlamyine. Mrauk-U would be great to visit, but is closed to tourists at
 the moment.
 
 Thaths
 -- 
 Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
 Carl:  Nuthin'.
 Homer: D'oh!
 Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
 Homer: Woo-hoo!




Re: [silk] Myanmar siklisters/advice?

2013-08-28 Thread Mahesh Murthy
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Charles Haynes hay...@edgeplay.org wrote:



 Alternatively, are there any silklisters about things to see or do while in
 Myanmar? Our basic plan is to land in Yangon, spend a very small amount of
 time there, then make our way overland to the Inle Lake area and then to
 Bagan. Am hoping to take the slow train for some of the journey, and
 busses and boats for other parts.


 I did pretty much the same thing. Got a visa in Bangkok. Spent a day or so
in Yangon - and chunks of time in Bagan and on Lake Inle.

Stayed in a bb in Bagan - and hired a car / driver for that stay. There's
simply no other way to get to see everything that's there. There are
thousands of temples. And darn it if all of them actually seem worth
stopping at to see and take pictures.

Stayed on the water in a stilt-room at Lake Inle. Hired a boat, spent lots
of time on the water going to temples and markets.

You get sunburnt easily in both places. As Vonnegut apparently said, take
sunscreen.

And yes, it's a load of fun.


Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-28 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Current confirmed attendees:

Rashmi V
Naresh
Andy Deemer
Udhay
Amitha Singh
Vandana Abraham
Meera K
Shoba Narayan
Mark Bergen (+1?)
Julian Philips
Vinay Rao
Samuel Mani


Maybe:

Chandrachoodan G
Venkat Mangudi
Deepak Misra
Lahar Appaiah
Saritha Rai
Sunil Abraham
Kiran Jonnalagadda
Ashwin K
Biju Chacko
Surabhi Tomar
Vinit Bhansali
Deepak Shenoy

-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-28 Thread thewall
Tomorrow, Naresh's office, 7? Still a maybe, but will try to come.



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Current confirmed attendees:

Rashmi V
Naresh
Andy Deemer
Udhay
Amitha Singh
Vandana Abraham
Meera K
Shoba Narayan
Mark Bergen (+1?)
Julian Philips
Vinay Rao
Samuel Mani


Maybe:

Chandrachoodan G
Venkat Mangudi
Deepak Misra
Lahar Appaiah
Saritha Rai
Sunil Abraham
Kiran Jonnalagadda
Ashwin K
Biju Chacko
Surabhi Tomar
Vinit Bhansali
Deepak Shenoy

-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-28 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 Current confirmed attendees:

 Rashmi V
 Naresh
 Andy Deemer
 Udhay
 Amitha Singh
 Vandana Abraham
 Meera K
 Shoba Narayan
 Mark Bergen (+1?)
 Julian Philips
 Vinay Rao
 Samuel Mani


 Maybe:

 Chandrachoodan G
 Venkat Mangudi
 Deepak Misra
 Lahar Appaiah
 Saritha Rai
 Sunil Abraham
 Kiran Jonnalagadda
 Ashwin K
 Biju Chacko
 Surabhi Tomar
 Vinit Bhansali
 Deepak Sheno
 


I notice Alpha B. T. Kellorder does not attend