Re: [silk] Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding

2014-02-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
It is only two easy to indeed, or to introduce undesirable traits like a 
neurotic temperament along with the good looks you're aiming for. 

I have seen one too many puppy mills as you can probably tell. 

--srs (htc one x)

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From: Surabhi Tomar surabhi.to...@gmail.com
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: [silk] Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding
Date: Sat, Feb 1, 2014 1:23 PM

 resilience at all. What you're concerned about is pure breeding, even if
 the result of this breeding creates an animal that is so strangely
 shaped that more than two out of every three of its kind have diseases


As an atheist, religious discussions bore me. But as a dog lover, I'd like
to correct that pure-breeding does not equal in-breeding.

Re: [silk] Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding

2014-02-01 Thread Lahar Appaiah
Skimmed through in 30 seconds (Mensa member), so may not have got all
nuances, but can we also have a thread branching into Test cricket and the
abomination that is IPL in particular and T-20 in general?


On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 Because it's been too long since we've had a good flamewar.

 Because this made me grin.

 Because Aadisht (along with most of the list) has been too silent of late.

 Udhay

 http://www.aadisht.net/blog/2014/01/31/why-hindutva-is-like-dog-breeding/

 Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding

 I have had an insight. Admittedly it was one of those insights which you
 get at 1 am when you can't sleep because you had the last cappuccino of
 the day a little too late in the day; but despite the circumstances in
 which it arose, I think it is a valuable insight. And it is basically
 this: the two extreme views of what Hinduism actually is correspond
 exactly to the two extreme views dog lovers have about how you should go
 about getting a dog as a pet.

 Explaining the analogy means I will have to first provide context.

 For many years, I was mystified by the fact that Hindutvawadis could
 hold these two beliefs simultaneously:

 Hinduism is really awesome
 Hinduism is under grave, horrible threat and must be preserved at
 all costs from any combination of:
 Sickular Media
 CONgis
 Love Jihad
 Vatican Missionaries
 The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty
 Ramachandra Guha
 Twitter Secret Santa

 These simultaneous beliefs would manifest into calls for legal and
 illegal action against anybody who criticised or denigrated Hinduism in
 any way, no matter their actual intent.

 I, and other likeminded people would be bewildered and say things like
 If Hinduism is so great, surely it can withstand these very minor
 criticisms. In fact, it was really polite people like Salil Tripathi
 who would say such things. I used to say much more outrageous things
 like Boss if Hinduism is this vulnerable to criticism, why are you even
 bothering with something so weak? Start practicing a more robust
 religion like Islam or Thor-worship or some such. Persisting with
 Hinduism can only lead to tears and misery as you watch it collapse
 around you.

 It was not until this month that I realised that this argument was
 totally pointless because it assumes that we were thinking of Hinduism
 in the same way. We weren't. I was thinking of Hinduism in the way that
 Gautam John and Anoopa Anand think of Indian Pi Dogs. They were thinking
 of Hinduism in the way that pug owners regard their pugs1 (or actually,
 any purebreed dog, but pugs are fashionable these days, so the analogy
 becomes clearer - and actually more forceful, as we'll see later on). In
 fact, considering how loaded the terms Hindutvawadi and liberal have
 become these days, using the terms Pug view of Hinduism and Pi View of
 Hinduism might actually be more enlightening in the general discourse2.
 More so if you consider that Hindutvawadi could refer to actual
 behaviour or actions, while Pug View and Pi View very clearly refer to
 mindsets.

 If you are Good Guy Gautam, or somebody similar, then resilience,
 health, and being robust are necessary conditions of being awesome. You
 think pi dogs make great pets and companions because they're healthy,
 active, and friendly. A wide genetic stock, you feel, allows for a
 pleasing variety of very resilient specimens. Extending the analogy to
 religion, what you like most about Hinduism are the practices or beliefs
 that are easy to live with and carry on, and its ability to absorb
 influences from other religions if they're good ideas.

 But if you're on the other extreme, you're not bothered about health and
 resilience at all. What you're concerned about is pure breeding, even if
 the result of this breeding creates an animal that is so strangely
 shaped that more than two out of every three of its kind have diseases
 that are directly traceable to its weird shape. The strange, disease
 prone, almost nonviable form of the pug (which, along with the modern
 bulldog, exemplifies selective breeding run amok) is a feature, not a
 bug, because it makes the pug look so cute and distinctive.

 Extending this to religion, the weirdest parts of Hinduism, that make it
 so difficult and cumbersome to practice, and which also seem so totally
 pointless to the disinterested observer, are precisely what the devoted
 but threatened promoter of Hinduism thinks are the whole point. It is
 irrelevant that fasting for your husbands' good health, letting your own
 or other peoples' gotra or caste influence your decisions, practicing a
 sattvik diet, or going through elaborate rituals to qualify as a proper
 Hindu have not made them happier, more prosperous, or more productive
 than the rest of the world that has happily gotten along without all
 these.  It is because it is difficult to maintain, easy to go wrong, and
 serves 

Re: [silk] Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding

2014-02-01 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Lahar Appaiah thew...@gmail.com wrote:

 (Mensa member)

Oh, you poor thing.

g,d,r



Re: [silk] Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding

2014-02-01 Thread Mahesh Murthy
One would imagine mentions such as this would immediately disqualify the
mentioner from said membership :)
On 01-Feb-2014 6:42 pm, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Lahar Appaiah thew...@gmail.com wrote:

  (Mensa member)

 Oh, you poor thing.

 g,d,r




Re: [silk] Why Hindutva is Like Dog Breeding

2014-02-01 Thread Lahar Appaiah
No, we are happy to parade it (T-Shirts, etc). But, since we are by
definition smarter than everyone else, what we do may seem illogical to
others, but perfectly obvious to us.


On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.comwrote:

 One would imagine mentions such as this would immediately disqualify the
 mentioner from said membership :)
 On 01-Feb-2014 6:42 pm, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

  On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Lahar Appaiah thew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   (Mensa member)
 
  Oh, you poor thing.
 
  g,d,r