Re: [silk] Camera gurus - need advice

2015-05-08 Thread Venkat Mangudi - Silk
So I did more research and reading. I agree that mirrorless is the future.
But for wildlife photography, the recommendation is still to go with  a
DSLR. I'm debating between Olympus OM-D EM-5 which is a mirrorless that
comes highly recommended and  Canon EOS 7D now.  No more full frame
thoughts now. My pictures are going to be mainly wildlife and aviation. The
Canon mirrorless I have, will remain the casual camera, I guess.

Thoughts?
On May 3, 2015 10:01 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

 And I partially agree with Ashwin, except for the phrase “full-frame”.  I
 think that the current state of the art, things like the range of lenses
 available and - especially - the ergonomics, are a much bigger deal than
 the number of pixels or square mm.The ergonomics of the main mirrorless
 lines - Olympus, Fujifilm, Sony - are wildly different, and reflect very
 different ways of thinking about taking pictures.

 Did I mention it’s the golden age of photography?

 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Ashwin Kumar ashw...@live.in wrote:

  I agree with Tim. Venkat, do try the mirrorless full frame cameras one
  more time. I have a Sony A7 and been very happy with it. In fact, I have
  completely given up on my film cameras.
  I use 35mm and 90mm fixed lenses, but I have shot it with longer lenses
  and it was very good both ergonomically and IQ wise.
  ~ashwin
  +919483466818
 
 
 
 
  On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:40 PM -0700, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
  wrote:
  Hm. It’s quite likely wrong to conclude from your experience that
  mirrorlesses are slow in general. Lots of people who've been using SLRs
 for
  years have been going the other way recently, drawn by the charms of
  mirrorless size and ergonomics.  I think you'd find the recent offerings
  from Olympus, Panasonic, and Fujifilm probably would please you.
  ​Some people like the recent Sonys but I found the one I tried to be
  ergonomically painful, and they have HUGE sensors which means you wait
  forever while downloading and processing them.  On the other hand, if you
  want to make 1 meter x 3 meter prints…  Having said that, you can get a
  little more for your money in SLR-land, particularly in used-SLR land.
 
  Your question is a little unusual because many photographers, including
  some with very high visibility, have in the last couple of years switched
  from SLR to mirrorless.  I don’t have high visibility but I did too
  (Fujifilm in my case) and can’t imagine going back.
  ​
  ​
  On May 1, 2015 7:36 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
  
   Why would you want a larger, heavier camera that won't actually take
  better
   pictures?
 
  Actually I found that the mirrorless was quite slow. During my recent
 trip,
  the camera and the rented lens (prime lens at that)  was too slow.
  Besides, the buffer was not able to match the speed of the wildlife and
  birds that I typically try to capture. It was pretty frustrating. The
  mirrorless is good for relatively slower subjects and casual photos.
 
  -V
 



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Re: [silk] Camera gurus - need advice

2015-05-08 Thread Bhaskar Dasgupta
DSLR any time over mirrorless. I use the mirrorless for casual walkabout 
photography but for serious landscape, aviation, animal, etc. photography, the 
beast comes out. Got myself a nice chest harness and that allows me to handle a 
bigass 500mm lens as well. 

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Subject: Re: [silk] Camera gurus - need advice

So I did more research and reading. I agree that mirrorless is the future.
But for wildlife photography, the recommendation is still to go with  a DSLR. 
I'm debating between Olympus OM-D EM-5 which is a mirrorless that comes highly 
recommended and  Canon EOS 7D now.  No more full frame thoughts now. My 
pictures are going to be mainly wildlife and aviation. The Canon mirrorless I 
have, will remain the casual camera, I guess.

Thoughts?
On May 3, 2015 10:01 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

 And I partially agree with Ashwin, except for the phrase “full-frame”.  
 I think that the current state of the art, things like the range of 
 lenses available and - especially - the ergonomics, are a much bigger deal 
 than
 the number of pixels or square mm.The ergonomics of the main mirrorless
 lines - Olympus, Fujifilm, Sony - are wildly different, and reflect 
 very different ways of thinking about taking pictures.

 Did I mention it’s the golden age of photography?

 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Ashwin Kumar ashw...@live.in wrote:

  I agree with Tim. Venkat, do try the mirrorless full frame cameras 
  one more time. I have a Sony A7 and been very happy with it. In 
  fact, I have completely given up on my film cameras.
  I use 35mm and 90mm fixed lenses, but I have shot it with longer 
  lenses and it was very good both ergonomically and IQ wise.
  ~ashwin
  +919483466818
 
 
 
 
  On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:40 PM -0700, Tim Bray 
  tb...@textuality.com
  wrote:
  Hm. It’s quite likely wrong to conclude from your experience that 
  mirrorlesses are slow in general. Lots of people who've been using 
  SLRs
 for
  years have been going the other way recently, drawn by the charms of 
  mirrorless size and ergonomics.  I think you'd find the recent 
  offerings from Olympus, Panasonic, and Fujifilm probably would please you.
  ​Some people like the recent Sonys but I found the one I tried to be 
  ergonomically painful, and they have HUGE sensors which means you 
  wait forever while downloading and processing them.  On the other 
  hand, if you want to make 1 meter x 3 meter prints…  Having said 
  that, you can get a little more for your money in SLR-land, particularly in 
  used-SLR land.
 
  Your question is a little unusual because many photographers, 
  including some with very high visibility, have in the last couple of 
  years switched from SLR to mirrorless.  I don’t have high visibility 
  but I did too (Fujifilm in my case) and can’t imagine going back.
  ​
  ​
  On May 1, 2015 7:36 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
  
   Why would you want a larger, heavier camera that won't actually 
   take
  better
   pictures?
 
  Actually I found that the mirrorless was quite slow. During my 
  recent
 trip,
  the camera and the rented lens (prime lens at that)  was too slow.
  Besides, the buffer was not able to match the speed of the wildlife 
  and birds that I typically try to capture. It was pretty 
  frustrating. The mirrorless is good for relatively slower subjects and 
  casual photos.
 
  -V
 



 --
 - Tim Bray (If you’d like to send me a private message, see
 https://keybase.io/timbray)