Re: [silk] Any Desmond Morris fans/critics here ?

2009-01-01 Thread Dave Long

A better metaphor would be a farm. We are livestock. Some of us
caged in batteries, others free-range. But still, livestock.


At least we've moved on from the idea -- at first blush actually  
quite reasonable -- that the same principles that are optimal for  
governing herds of stock are necessarily also the best for herds of  
people, and, nominally at least, the animals are now in charge of the  
farm.  (under capitalism, man is a wolf to man.  under socialism,  
it's exactly the opposite)



The stables and cages are pretty well hidden, so we imagine ourselves
free. This is good for productivity.


No need to hide the stalls; they represent safety for the stock.  So  
much so that a particular danger during barn fires is panicked stock  
attempting to reenter the building...


-Dave




Re: [silk] Any Desmond Morris fans/critics here ?

2008-12-29 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2008-12-29 09:07:14 +0530, dhingra.may...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am contemplating buying his book Peoplewatching
 %20http://tr.im/2p8b on Body Language, has anyone here read it ?

Yes. It's excellent. So are Animalwatching and Bodywatching.

-- ams



Re: [silk] Any Desmond Morris fans/critics here ?

2008-12-28 Thread Mayank Dhingra
I like the observations he quotes and way he builds up the case on how they
evolved from our basic animal/primate instincts.Things like super-status 
and stimulus struggle are quite true and relevant today and I felt a bit
more self-aware. I don't agree with everything said in his books but for
sure they are interesting and make you think(at least it made me) about
things which generally you take for granted. I also,  remember watching a
bbc series titled The Human Sexes which he hosted a couple of years back
and liked it.

I haven't read Konrad Lorenz, will try to give it a read. I downloaded an
audio book of snow crash but never to listen to it either. I am
contemplating buying his book Peoplewatching %20http://tr.im/2p8b on
Body Language, has anyone here read it ?


Re: [silk] Any Desmond Morris fans/critics here ?

2008-12-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 01:19:38PM +0530, Mayank Dhingra wrote:

 I am reading a book by Desmond Morris called The Human Zoo and am
 finding it pretty intriguing.
 The book talks about how our cities resemble  a super crowded Human Zoo and

A better metaphor would be a farm. We are livestock. Some of us
caged in batteries, others free-range. But still, livestock.
The stables and cages are pretty well hidden, so we imagine ourselves
free. This is good for productivity.

The other way to see it we're a superorganism, and total
freedom is malignant growth. 

 what does the status struggle and
 other aspects of a city life affect its inhabitants and a lot more.
 
 Was wondering if anyone here has read any of his works especially The Human
 Zoo and The Naked Ape and if yes
 how did they find it ?



Re: [silk] Any Desmond Morris fans/critics here ?

2008-12-23 Thread Giancarlo Livraghi

Mayank Dhingra wrote:

 I am reading a book by Desmond Morris
 called The Human Zoo and am
 finding it pretty intriguing.

I read his books many years ago and I remember only a general 
impression. I quite enjoyed The Naked Ape (somewhat less The Human 
Zoo).


I am *not* suggesting that Desmond Morris is superficial, but he hasn't 
the depth of a Konrad Lorenz - and of course there has been relevant 
progress in ethology, zoology and anthropology in later years.


Desmond Morris isn't the greatest scientific authority on these 
subjects, but his books are pleasantly readable and interesting.


(Probably the best narrative description of a human zoo I have ever read 
is Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash.)


Cheers

Giancarlo



[silk] Any Desmond Morris fans/critics here ?

2008-12-22 Thread Mayank Dhingra
Hi Guys,

I am reading a book by Desmond Morris called The Human Zoo and am
finding it pretty intriguing.
The book talks about how our cities resemble  a super crowded Human Zoo and
what does the status struggle and
other aspects of a city life affect its inhabitants and a lot more.

Was wondering if anyone here has read any of his works especially The Human
Zoo and The Naked Ape and if yes
how did they find it ?

Thanks,
Mayank