Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
Well, you guys are in luck. As it happens, I am a Harappan-American, and as such, belong to one of the original people of the land now called Pakistan (and India). It turns out that I am descended from the ancient Harappans on my mother's side. Well, guys, we Harappans believe in the Great Buffalo in the Sky. We stand for less hostility, more civility. And the Great Buffalo in the Sky does not countenance discrimination against gays. So, two things: one, we ask Ghulam Nabi Azad to please keep very quiet about homosexuality in India. We have learnt that the Great Buffalo is not pleased. (Reference Kusum Ingots v. Union of India.); and two, we would like to draw your attention to our secession from Pakistan. Given the intolerable conditions of our religious rights in Pakistan, we have been forced to declare ourselves a separate country. We do not recognize any religious law (Islamic, Hindu, Christian or any other) in any of our lands. We believe that our constitution will not only lead to basic human rights, but also lead to greater economic progress. We do not recognize laws against homosexuality in Pakistan, specifically, the ones that requires death (and other penalties) for homosexuals. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to pray to the Great Buffalo in the Sky. Oooom. M. Oooom. M. Oooom. M. Anand :+: Linkback : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indo-euro-americo-asian_list/message/519 From: another.prufr...@gmail.com another.prufr...@gmail.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net; silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas? Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Anand Manikutty manikuttyan...@yahoo.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... Date: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 8:37 pm There is some cooperative behavior to be seen in the changing of the guard obviously, but the hostility between the two sides is what jumps out. Yes, there is some cooperation going on, but it exists because it is what these people are supposed to do as part of their jobs in the first place. Anyway, some departure from rules and norms is to be expected in any organization. It is only the form that this sort of departure (from the rules and norms) takes that varies from one organization to another. Granted, it may be indicative of the underlying hostility to some people, but honestly, who doesn't know about the tensions between the two countries? So, to me, there is nothing surprising here. It doesn't add much to the big picture. Looking out from here in the U.S., the bigger picture is that India is doing a lot better than Pakistan. It is on course to continue to do even better. And this is because whereas India has painstakingly built up a reasonably efficient market economy (thanks to some fine institutions) over the years, Pakistan has not. That Pakistan has failed in this respect, to me, is very worrying. Anand :+: Linkback : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indo-euro-americo-asian_list/message/515 From: Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: For all the supposed hostilities the choreography seems to indicate some level of co-operation between the two sides. Hostilitiy theatre
[silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
...we wouldn't have http://www.wimp.com/indiapakistan/ Buckingham palace guards have *nothing* on these folks.
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
...we wouldn't have http://www.wimp.com/indiapakistan/ Buckingham palace guards have *nothing* on these folks. While this is true, I believe this practice has been toned down substantially, not least because of injuries to the soldiers involved in the goose-stepping. -- Sumant Srivathsan http://sumants.blogspot.com
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On Thursday 21 Jul 2011 5:30:59 pm Eugen Leitl wrote: ...we wouldn't have http://www.wimp.com/indiapakistan/ Buckingham palace guards have *nothing* on these folks. It's women now http://online.wsj.com/video/hostilities-on-display-at-india-pakistan- border/14F353A3-12D1-4EE2-9A22-E775115D112F.html?mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1 shiv
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: ...we wouldn't have http://www.wimp.com/indiapakistan/ Buckingham palace guards have *nothing* on these folks. For all the supposed hostilities the choreography seems to indicate some level of co-operation between the two sides. -gabin -- measure with a micrometer, mark with a chalk, cut with an axe
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: For all the supposed hostilities the choreography seems to indicate some level of co-operation between the two sides. Hostilitiy theatre
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
There is some cooperative behavior to be seen in the changing of the guard obviously, but the hostility between the two sides is what jumps out. Yes, there is some cooperation going on, but it exists because it is what these people are supposed to do as part of their jobs in the first place. Anyway, some departure from rules and norms is to be expected in any organization. It is only the form that this sort of departure (from the rules and norms) takes that varies from one organization to another. Granted, it may be indicative of the underlying hostility to some people, but honestly, who doesn't know about the tensions between the two countries? So, to me, there is nothing surprising here. It doesn't add much to the big picture. Looking out from here in the U.S., the bigger picture is that India is doing a lot better than Pakistan. It is on course to continue to do even better. And this is because whereas India has painstakingly built up a reasonably efficient market economy (thanks to some fine institutions) over the years, Pakistan has not. That Pakistan has failed in this respect, to me, is very worrying. Anand :+: Linkback : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indo-euro-americo-asian_list/message/515 From: Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: For all the supposed hostilities the choreography seems to indicate some level of co-operation between the two sides. Hostilitiy theatre
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas? Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Anand Manikutty manikuttyan...@yahoo.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... Date: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 8:37 pm There is some cooperative behavior to be seen in the changing of the guard obviously, but the hostility between the two sides is what jumps out. Yes, there is some cooperation going on, but it exists because it is what these people are supposed to do as part of their jobs in the first place. Anyway, some departure from rules and norms is to be expected in any organization. It is only the form that this sort of departure (from the rules and norms) takes that varies from one organization to another. Granted, it may be indicative of the underlying hostility to some people, but honestly, who doesn't know about the tensions between the two countries? So, to me, there is nothing surprising here. It doesn't add much to the big picture. Looking out from here in the U.S., the bigger picture is that India is doing a lot better than Pakistan. It is on course to continue to do even better. And this is because whereas India has painstakingly built up a reasonably efficient market economy (thanks to some fine institutions) over the years, Pakistan has not. That Pakistan has failed in this respect, to me, is very worrying. Anand :+: Linkback : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/indo-euro-americo-asian_list/message/515 From: Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, gabin kattukaran gkattuka...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: For all the supposed hostilities the choreography seems to indicate some level of co-operation between the two sides. Hostilitiy theatre
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On 21-Jul-11 11:53 PM, another.prufr...@gmail.com wrote: We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas? There are already a couple of folks from Pakistan here. Speak up, folks! Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On Thursday 21 Jul 2011 11:53:28 pm another.prufr...@gmail.com wrote: We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas? I have been on a wildly jingoistic, largely right wing Indian defence forum which is very popular. About a decade ago there were similar calls on the forum that We need a Pakistani viewpoint. What became of that is a different story that is not relevant here but my observations on the issue of Pakistanis on English language internet fora provoked some study and some thoughts about that subset of Indians and Pakistanis who actually communicate in English. Like I said - the English speaking groups are a sub-set of the populations of the two nations. Statistics about how many English readers or speakers there are are reasonably easily available from India but are more difficult to access from Pakistan. A lot of Information Technology promotion sites frm Pakistan claim a huge number of English speakers who (it was believed) would give the Indian BPO sector a run for its money. But after repeated and much digging I discovered that the total circulation of English newspapers in Pakistan in the year 2000 was about 150,000 for a population of 134 million (at that time) More recently - there was a burgeoning of TV channels in Pakistan and I recall the observation that there was only one English language TV channel in Pakistan out of a several score channels. My conclusion was that it will be extremely difficult to get a Pakistani viewpoint on here. Apart from the Pakistani press (whcih I follow closely) the other places that give me some inkling into Pakistani thought are a Pakistani liberal blog, which is also frequented by another silklister, and a Pakistani jinoistic military forum. Of late I have also taken to analysing Pakistani comments on dozens of videos I have on a YouTube channel. Some of them gets more hits from Pakistan than any other country. It is interesting (to me) that a large number of Pakistani comments are in Urdu or Punjabi using the English script. Comments from Indians are more often in English than in any Indian language. shiv
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
ss [22/07/11 07:21 +0530]: On Thursday 21 Jul 2011 11:53:28 pm another.prufr...@gmail.com wrote: We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas? I have been on a wildly jingoistic, largely right wing Indian defence forum which is very popular. About a decade ago there were similar calls on the but how relevant is a forum full of indian assholes + pakistani chutiyas (aka the two jingoistic forums) and youtube, rediff, mouthshut etc commentary to pakistanis coming to silklist?
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On 07/22/2011 07:21 AM, ss wrote: On Thursday 21 Jul 2011 11:53:28 pm another.prufr...@gmail.com wrote: We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas? I have been on a wildly jingoistic, largely right wing Indian defence forum which is very popular. About a decade ago there were similar calls on the forum that We need a Pakistani viewpoint. What became of that is a different story that is not relevant here but my observations on the issue of Pakistanis on English language internet fora provoked some study and some thoughts about that subset of Indians and Pakistanis who actually communicate in English. Like I said - the English speaking groups are a sub-set of the populations of the two nations. Statistics about how many English readers or speakers there are are reasonably easily available from India but are more difficult to access from Pakistan. A lot of Information Technology promotion sites frm Pakistan claim a huge number of English speakers who (it was believed) would give the Indian BPO sector a run for its money. But after repeated and much digging I discovered that the total circulation of English newspapers in Pakistan in the year 2000 was about 150,000 for a population of 134 million (at that time) More recently - there was a burgeoning of TV channels in Pakistan and I recall the observation that there was only one English language TV channel in Pakistan out of a several score channels. My conclusion was that it will be extremely difficult to get a Pakistani viewpoint on here. Apart from the Pakistani press (whcih I follow closely) the other places that give me some inkling into Pakistani thought are a Pakistani liberal blog, which is also frequented by another silklister, and a Pakistani jinoistic military forum. It would be as relevant as any viewpoint expressed on silk list. As relevant as the viewpoint of an English speaking Indian, at the very least. . Bharath
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On Friday 22 Jul 2011 7:57:22 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: but how relevant is a forum full of indian assholes + pakistani chutiyas As relevant as your words represent an accurate reflection of what your mind dwells upon. Sir. You reaffirm my faith in the idea that Silk list is all about intelligent conversation. It's a privilege to learn from you, Just my luck. I guess. shiv
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
That still doesn't answer my question at all If you cite two individual fora of jingoistic racists as evidence that pakistanis aren't all that proficient in english, that just isn't enough --Original Message-- From: ss Sender: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ReplyTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan... Sent: Jul 22, 2011 09:28 On Friday 22 Jul 2011 7:57:22 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: but how relevant is a forum full of indian assholes + pakistani chutiyas As relevant as your words represent an accurate reflection of what your mind dwells upon. Sir. You reaffirm my faith in the idea that Silk list is all about intelligent conversation. It's a privilege to learn from you, Just my luck. I guess. shiv -- srs (blackberry)
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
On Friday 22 Jul 2011 10:03:27 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: That still doesn't answer my question at all If you cite two individual fora of jingoistic racists as evidence that pakistanis aren't all that proficient in english, that just isn't enough LOL Thanks but no thanks You won't draw me in with your faux curioisty about my opinions. This will be the last time I actually attempt conversation with you, knowing that you have long absolved yourself from the intelligent variety. It was my fault for trying in the first place. I am certain you can live without my answer and continue to add wisdom and wit here as only you know how. shiv
Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...
I'll live with that. ss [22/07/11 10:24 +0530]: On Friday 22 Jul 2011 10:03:27 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: That still doesn't answer my question at all If you cite two individual fora of jingoistic racists as evidence that pakistanis aren't all that proficient in english, that just isn't enough LOL Thanks but no thanks You won't draw me in with your faux curioisty about my opinions. This will be the last time I actually attempt conversation with you, knowing that you have long absolved yourself from the intelligent variety. It was my fault for trying in the first place. I am certain you can live without my answer and continue to add wisdom and wit here as only you know how. shiv
