Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5

2015-01-12 Thread Rajesh Mehar
Thanks for these responses Dave. I've been meaning to set aside a few hours
one weekend to go through the links and info you provided. Will get back to
you when I get around to it!


Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5

2015-01-12 Thread Dave Long
As a hobby coder, you have the luxury of looking for environments  
where almost all the stuff you don't like doing is provided, and  
almost all of what you'd like to do is feasible.


In these days, a little over 128 years since Sir William Thomson (as  
he was then) wrote:
The object of this machine is to substitute brass for brain in the  
great mechanical labour of calculating ...


if you are more interested in Augmenting Your Intellect than in code  
for code's sake,

we have made notable progress when substituting silicon for synapses:

https://github.com/ipython/ipython/wiki/A-gallery-of-interesting- 
IPython-Notebooks


-Dave




Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5

2015-01-06 Thread Dave Long
Udupa, people have suggested Python as a flexible language that  
will help


Try it. Try the various other recommendations as well, as long as  
they aren't say C or perl you should be able to coast along in them  
for long enough to decide whether you like the language or not.


I'll second both of these:

for the latter, it helps to understand that programming is full of  
holy wars on the my brother and I against my cousin principle.   
(this is not unique to technology fields: I note that among riders,  
there is often strong antipathy between those who wear cowboy hats  
and those who don't, and among those who don't those whose tack is  
brown vs those whose tack is black, etc. etc., when to the remaining  
98% of the population they are all lumped together as doing  
something with horses).  Taking the 98% view, programming in any  
language involves working at a level of precision which is unfamiliar  
to nearly all neophytes, and unpalatable to most.


I really hate this dd machine
I think I'm going to sell it
it never does what I want
but only what I tell it

once you've written a few programs, and have decided that you do, in  
fact, enjoy this variety of riddle (doing something with  
programming) enough to actually spend large amounts of time doing it  
yourself, then it's worth looking around for languages which suit  
your tastes, inclinations, and aspirations.


for the former, I have found Python to be very flexible: on the  
conceptual side, one can model most, if not all, of the ideas  
presented in http://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html  
in Python, on the shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-several-million-times- 
per-second side, there are modules which allow you to JIT raw machine  
code to your heart's content, and on the a-quick-kludge-to-do-X side,  
Python has a large user base and a wide variety of packages for the  
times when one has no aspirations beyond being a glorified plumber.  
(see also http://yosefk.com/blog/the-cardinal-programming-jokes.html  
for more literal takes on this last metaphor)


That last point is why tastes, inclinations, and aspirations are so  
important.  Someone who is paid to code will choose environments  
which minimize time to market (or, even worse, process variation!) in  
their line of business.  As a hobby coder, you have the luxury of  
looking for environments where almost all the stuff you don't like  
doing is provided, and almost all of what you'd like to do is  
feasible.  After all, the revealed preferences of most visitors to  
alpine resorts is that they take lifts to the tops of the runs, but  
descend themselves.


-Dave

(as for those people who ski one or two runs, and sit around in the  
restaurant the rest of the day: their programming equivalents are  
found online, providing most of the heat in our holy wars)