Re: CSNew Subscriber
On Fri, 24 May 2002 23:50:26 -0600, Richard Sobe im_numbe...@msn.com wrote: how long you have been taking C.S. 8 years. About 8 ounces daily. Cats and dogs use it, too. if you have changed colors No if you know of anyone who has changed colors No what it takes to o.d. on C.S. to be able to turn colors (so I don't, of course) Calculations say about 70 gallons/day of 10 ppm CS for at least 6 months. how long it takes for this to happen to someone 900 years. Maybe more. :) (A former list member paid to run an analysis of his CS use to find out what amount gets eliminated and how long the CS stays in the body. I don't recall the amount of CS he used, but apparently the silver gets eliminated quite quickly, within a day or less for most of the silver. This implies that using CS many times daily in small amounts is probably more effective than drinking a bunch once per day.) if it is true that the ionic silver when mixed with chloride becomes silver chloride (silver salt) Just mixing won't do it very much. Other factors are involved (electricity, catalysts). is the C.S. I am making with my 27V battery setup is safe Depends on how long you run it. It's safe if you run for under 1 hour (normal is 1/2 hour for 8 ounces with that setup). After that you'll be making clumps of silver which will eventually fall to the bottom of the container. The CS will still be okay (but may look funny), but you'll be wasting silver. what is the safest/affordable way to make C.S. for my own personal use Use only distilled water, no additives. Use only .999 (or purer) fine silver. A 20 to 30 volt wall wart will be cheaper than batteries in the long run. Most convenient will be a CS generator that shuts itself off when done and has a stirrer. does anyone use a Zapper and if so, how has it worked for you Yes. A *real* zapper was the ONLY drug/herb/supplement/procedure/process that worked to cure a severe, chronic sinus problem I had. (Including everything 15+ MDs prescribed, and including CS) A real zapper is a device that produces square wave pulses, having a rise time of about 10 us, with a 50% duty cycle. The peak voltage must be a minimum of 8 volts, optimally 11 to 12 volts (implying a power supply of 12 volts), and current limited to about 2-3 mA except during the rising edge of the pulse. Frequency should be around 2200 Hz. what is the stock market going to do in the next six months (just kidding, I had to let all of you know I do have a sense of humor ;~)) Stock market drops until about mid-June, then rises quite a bit until mid-September -- then really tanks.:) and anything else that can ease my mind that I am not poisoning myself and I won't look like a smurf in 5 years from the repeated use of this stuff. I have started using the C.S. that I bought out of a health food store on Monday, May 20th 2002 and I built my own Zapper on the 21st and started using it right away. I started making my own C.S. with just three 9V batteries, the clip on . silver leads and distilled water on Wednesday the 22nd. It is now Friday and I can say that I feel like 90% of my chest mold congestion has been destroyed. You might want to use a nebulizer so you can inhale the CS. Either an air pressure type or an ultrasonic type works fine (look in the archives for this list -- URL at the bottom of this message). A steam vaporizer won't work (it's a distiller, and leaves the CS in the pan). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLaying down The Law
Let's end this The Law thread now, folks. Anyone who would like to talk about it is invited to do so on the off-topic list: http://www.silverlist.org/OffTopic.html We cannot afford to discuss religion here, period. The athiests are offended when the Christians say anything overt. The Christians are offended when somebody tries to shut them down. The non-Christians probably roll their eyes at the arrogant superiority of the rest of us. There's no way to win, and the purpose of the list loses. The fact remains that many creeds and belief systems are represented here, along with all levels of intellect and education. There should be nothing surprising in it. Here you are meeting the world. Via text you are forced to confront what you can normally ignore: Everybody else is different. One mistake was made, sending an inappropriate message to the wrong list. The reverberations have lasted most of a week. The silver list rules say specifically: Avoid discussing religion, mysticism, or spirituality. There is no comment you can make that will not risk offending someone. Overt evangelization is not permitted. Do not reply to religious remarks made by others. For the sake of courtesy, they also say: I am not asking you to de-God everything you say, do or think, however. Brief greetings, thanks, and prayer requests or offerings are acceptable. The occasional God bless, or you're in our prayers will not be seen as a transgression. So don't reply to the thread. It is off-topic and a prohibited subject to boot. Your reply is off-topic, too, even if it is to say that the thread should end. Don't try to do my job, please. List Rules: http://www.silverlist.org/ The aim is to let us live together peaceably. Let it be so. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS3r batch of cs
The time it takes depends on... 1] electrode spacing [related to current draw as per a given voltage..conductivity related] 2] batch size 3] current draw and/or Voltage [they're related] 4] electrode surface area [current density] 5] water quality [initial conductivity and impurities] 6] water temperature [related to initial conductivity] 7] How strong you're trying to make the CS [PPM] All these things are variable and inter-related. There is no one 'perfect way' though some setups do work better than others. Standardize electrode size and spacing between batches and start from there. Stirring or bubbling is a very good way to go and will greatly benefit even the most primitive setup where particle size is concerned. www.silvergen.com www.silverpuppy.com www.wishgranted.com Have done this work, experimentation and research for you and make the best generators going. Ken At 08:50 AM 5/24/02 -0600, you wrote: Now I'm confussed, I thought making a batch takes only 20 minutes or so ( to get 20 ppm). There's so much conflicting information. With a 4 hour batch, don't the batteries go dead? How strong is the CS then? Sorry to be a newbie asking so many dumb questions. I'm using CS to treat myself for hepatitis C, so I want to get this right. My life is at stake here. And I have no health insurance and I'm not about to pay $20,000 for interferon and to feel worse. I've only been doing the CS for a couple of weeks now and I do feel better, except for the first week I felt kind of spacey and out of it like you feel after a really long nap. Thanks for this group. Jan Dear Jan, Everybody seems to have a right way to do it. I do mine in an hour, color is clear, taste is minimal. I don`t stir, bubble, filter, or heat the water. My CS works just fine! Good luck to you!!! Love, Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Speaking of the power of the mine..see below. Placebo's Evil Twin -- The Nocebo Effect E-mail to a friend By Brian Reid Ten years ago, researchers stumbled onto a striking finding: Women who believed that they were prone to heart disease were nearly four times as likely to die as women with similar risk factors who didn't hold such fatalistic views. The higher risk of death, in other words, had nothing to with the usual heart disease culprits -- age, blood pressure, cholesterol, weight. Instead, it tracked closely with belief. Think Sick, Be Sick That study is a classic in the annals of research on the nocebo phenomenon, the evil twin of the placebo effect. While the placebo effect refers to health benefits produced by a treatment that should have no effect, patients experiencing the nocebo effect experience the opposite. They presume the worst, health-wise, and that's just what they get. They're convinced that something is going to go wrong, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, said Harvard psychiatrist Arthur Barsky, who published an article earlier this year in the JAMA beseeching his peers to pay closer attention to the nocebo effect. From a clinical point of view, this is by no means peripheral or irrelevant. Barsky's target is drug side effects, which cost the U.S. health system more than $76 billion a year, according to a 1995 University of Arizona study. If even a small percentage of those costs are caused by patient expectations of harm, addressing the nocebo effect could save a nifty sum. But convincing doctors that their patients' problems may be more than biochemical is no simple trick. The nocebo effect is difficult to study, and medical training leads doctors to seek a bodily cause for physical ills. Nocebos often cause a physical effect, but it's not a physically produced effect, said Irving Kirsch, a psychologist at the University of Connecticut in Storrs who studies the ways that expectations influence what people experience. What's the cause? In many cases it's an unanswered question. Looking for Trouble The word nocebo, Latin for I will harm, doesn't represent a new idea -- just one that hasn't caught on widely among clinicians and scientists. More than four decades after researchers coined the term, only a few medical journal articles mention it. Outside the medical community, being scared to death or worried sick are expressions that have long been part of the popular lexicon. Is such language just hyperbole? Not to those who accept, for example, the idea of voodoo death -- a hex so powerful that the victim of the curse dies of fright. While many in the scientific community may regard voodoo with skepticism, the idea that gut reactions may have biological consequences can't be simply dismissed. Surgeons are wary of people who are convinced that they will die. There are examples of studies done on people undergoing surgery who almost want to die to re-contact a loved one. Close to 100 percent of people under those circumstances die. But the nocebo effect can lead to more subtle outcomes as well. Fifteen years ago, researchers at three medical centers undertook a study of aspirin and another blood thinner in heart patients and came up with an unexpected result that said little about the heart and much about the brain. At two locations, patients were warned of possible gastrointestinal problems, one of the most common side effects of repeated use of aspirin. At the other location, patients received no such caution. When researchers reviewed the data, they found a striking result: Those warned about the gastrointestinal problems were almost three times as likely to have the side effect. Though the evidence of actual stomach damage such as ulcers was the same for all three groups, those with the most information about the prospect of minor problems were the most likely to experience the pain. Despite the smattering of doctors' anecdotal reports and a few modest clinical studies, research on the phenomenon has not been robust, mostly for ethical reasons: Doctors ought not to induce illness in patients who are not sick. Changing ethical standards have made it difficult to even repeat some of the classic nocebo experiments. In one century-old effort, conducted long before anyone thought up the word nocebo, doctors set an allergy sufferer wheezing by showing an artificial rose, proving that at least some aspect of the allergic response is stimulated by visual cues. In a study from the early 1980s, 34 college students were told an electric current would be passed through their heads, and the researchers warned that the experience could cause a headache. Though not a single volt of current was used, more than two-thirds of the students reported headaches. Medical Distrust But resistance to in-depth study of the nocebo effect rests on more than ethical reservations. Belief does not have a strong place in the anatomy-centered world of modern medicine. Science is wearing away at the
Re: CS Distilled Water
Rain water is distilled water. ken At 01:56 PM 5/24/02 -0400, you wrote: Dear List... I get tired of hearing folks repeating what may be nothing more than 'urban myths' regarding such things as mineral leaching caused by DW,or drinking water with a meal inhibits your ability to digest properly,etc. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Larry, Some will say that this is OT, but I think it is an excellent post. It brings to mind the constant barrage of drug advertisements on TV. Best Regards, Arnold Beland - Original Message - From: larry tankersley la...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 7:41 AM Subject: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT Speaking of the power of the mine..see below. Placebo's Evil Twin -- The Nocebo Effect E-mail to a friend By Brian Reid Ten years ago, researchers stumbled onto a striking finding: Women who believed that they were prone to heart disease were nearly four times as likely to die as women with similar risk factors who didn't hold such fatalistic views. The higher risk of death, in other words, had nothing to with the usual heart disease culprits -- age, blood pressure, cholesterol, weight. Instead, it tracked closely with belief. Think Sick, Be Sick That study is a classic in the annals of research on the nocebo phenomenon, the evil twin of the placebo effect. While the placebo effect refers to health benefits produced by a treatment that should have no effect, patients experiencing the nocebo effect experience the opposite. They presume the worst, health-wise, and that's just what they get. They're convinced that something is going to go wrong, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, said Harvard psychiatrist Arthur Barsky, who published an article earlier this year in the JAMA beseeching his peers to pay closer attention to the nocebo effect. From a clinical point of view, this is by no means peripheral or irrelevant. Barsky's target is drug side effects, which cost the U.S. health system more than $76 billion a year, according to a 1995 University of Arizona study. If even a small percentage of those costs are caused by patient expectations of harm, addressing the nocebo effect could save a nifty sum. But convincing doctors that their patients' problems may be more than biochemical is no simple trick. The nocebo effect is difficult to study, and medical training leads doctors to seek a bodily cause for physical ills. Nocebos often cause a physical effect, but it's not a physically produced effect, said Irving Kirsch, a psychologist at the University of Connecticut in Storrs who studies the ways that expectations influence what people experience. What's the cause? In many cases it's an unanswered question. Looking for Trouble The word nocebo, Latin for I will harm, doesn't represent a new idea -- just one that hasn't caught on widely among clinicians and scientists. More than four decades after researchers coined the term, only a few medical journal articles mention it. Outside the medical community, being scared to death or worried sick are expressions that have long been part of the popular lexicon. Is such language just hyperbole? Not to those who accept, for example, the idea of voodoo death -- a hex so powerful that the victim of the curse dies of fright. While many in the scientific community may regard voodoo with skepticism, the idea that gut reactions may have biological consequences can't be simply dismissed. Surgeons are wary of people who are convinced that they will die. There are examples of studies done on people undergoing surgery who almost want to die to re-contact a loved one. Close to 100 percent of people under those circumstances die. But the nocebo effect can lead to more subtle outcomes as well. Fifteen years ago, researchers at three medical centers undertook a study of aspirin and another blood thinner in heart patients and came up with an unexpected result that said little about the heart and much about the brain. At two locations, patients were warned of possible gastrointestinal problems, one of the most common side effects of repeated use of aspirin. At the other location, patients received no such caution. When researchers reviewed the data, they found a striking result: Those warned about the gastrointestinal problems were almost three times as likely to have the side effect. Though the evidence of actual stomach damage such as ulcers was the same for all three groups, those with the most information about the prospect of minor problems were the most likely to experience the pain. Despite the smattering of doctors' anecdotal reports and a few modest clinical studies, research on the phenomenon has not been robust, mostly for ethical reasons: Doctors ought not to induce illness in patients who are not sick. Changing ethical standards have made it difficult to even repeat some of the classic nocebo experiments. In one century-old effort, conducted long before anyone thought up the word nocebo, doctors set an allergy sufferer wheezing by showing an artificial rose, proving that at least some aspect of the allergic response is stimulated by visual cues. In a study from the early 1980s, 34 college students were told an electric current would be passed through their
RE: CSThe Law
Is that Gods still quiet voice or my chattering ego whispering? Hard to tell. Perhaps the criteria is that love doesn't cost anyone anything, that sharing increases value for all. If whatever is happening doesn't meet that criteria, it ain't love and it ain't sharing...it's making a deal in the game of winners and losers. Revelation comes when it becomes obvious that I knew nothing...then I do...then, I don't again. Ken http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01/faith.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgrey matter
EST turned into the Family Forum.
You attend a $300 seminar, sit for 48 hrs of brainwashing while they
attempt to enlighten you as to what IT is. They say that when you have
completed enough education, you will get IT
In the end, IT is...taking control of your own mind and emotions, going
the heck home and ,henceforth, leading your own live rather than being
victimized by the expectations of others.
Some people pay $1000s and invest in years of study and training before
they finally learn that IT involves telling the mentors to go screw
themselves.
At that point, the student is offered mentorship.
Scientology works the same way...only much more drastic. Their
brainwashing is designed to scrub really hard. They make you look at all
the bullshit in there until you realize that, that's exactly what it
is...bullshit. If you don't believe you have nothing but bullshit in your
head, they'll load a big pile in for you to look at..as big a pile as
you'll take , then demostrate just how far you'll go to take bullshit
seriously with all sorts of mental/emotional/physical abuse. But there's a
method to that maddness.
When you finally say, That's bullshit!..you might make the connection
that everything else in there was aquired the same way and is also bullshit.
The Scientologists make very damned SURE that you get IT.
A simple screw off ain't enough.
You gotta really mean it and repeatedly ACT like you do.
Then, you are a clear and are offered a position.
Or, you go about your business in a new and effective way.
IT is that the mind of a victim is what victimizes the mind.
The common thread is that it's not likely that an unreasonable mind will
listen to reason, so, unreason is employed to its breaking
point...victimize the victim until he will no longer play the victim game.
They know that it's the person that heals himself and there's no other way.
[They just provide the incentive by making your particular illness
unbearable]
L Ron Hubbert was not stupid...no..not by a long shot.
Dianetics IS total bullshit..bullshit with the purpose of exposing dearly
held and defended bullshit.
His other books makes very clear that he knew what was what.
Silva Mind Control is for people who already know they can control their
own minds [most people don't] and want to learn better techniques of
getting in touch with what it really is.
For the victim mentality mindset folks who believe that their thoughts and
emotions are controlled by others, it will be la la land.
Ken {I, 'made' me say that.}
At 06:57 PM 5/24/02 -0500, you wrote:
Jack:
I heard about it a long time ago. I had a feeling that it went to
the
la la land along with EST. Is it still going on?
Regards
Harsha Godavari
Jack Dayton wrote:
Hi Gary, I can tell by your reply to Larry's post that you have never
attended a Silva Mind Control program. The mind can be powerfull tool.
Jack
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Re: CSgrey matter
On Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 09:05 PM, Ode Coyote wrote: L Ron Hubbert was not stupid...no..not by a long shot. He was once quoted as saying that if you ever wanted to make a lot of money just invent your own religion. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Larry sent: Placebo's Evil Twin -- The Nocebo Effect E-mail to a friend By Brian Reid Ten years ago, researchers stumbled onto a striking finding: Women who believed that they were prone to heart disease were nearly four times as likely to die as women with similar risk factors who didn't hold such fatalistic views. The higher risk of death, in other words, had nothing to with the usual heart disease culprits -- age, blood pressure, cholesterol, weight. Instead, it tracked closely with belief. Think Sick, Be Sick That study is a classic in the annals of research on the nocebo phenomenon, the evil twin of the placebo effect. While the placebo effect refers to health benefits produced by a treatment that should have no effect, patients experiencing the nocebo effect experience the opposite. They presume the worst, health-wise, and that's just what they get. They're convinced that something is going to go wrong, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, said Harvard psychiatrist Arthur Barsky, who published an article earlier this year in the JAMA beseeching his peers to pay closer attention to the nocebo effect. From a clinical point of view, this is by no means peripheral or irrelevant. The nocebo hypothesis leaves no room for people to know far ahead of time that something is disordered in the organism. This is not surprising as most scientists and physicians rely solely on solid physical evidence and do not allow for the possibility of a different kind of intelligence or 'knowing'. Not to discredit the power of thought, I believe it is a small percentage of people who will think themselves into being ill. The rest are in tune with their bodies. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Subscriber
I've looked at several brands of storebought CS and always have found MSP [mild silver protien] printed very small somewhere on the label. [May Suck Prodigiously?] Make your own. I've heard on ONE person who MAY have turned a little blue. [a little grey actually] Not sure what she was taking, how much or how long or what other factors were involved..or if she was making her own..or if it really was from CS...or if it was really argria. Apparently it got better. One 'maybe' out of several thousand regular users at all sorts of levels..ain't bad. We don't count Rosemary. Who knows what she did? She doesn't know herself. Her site has several educational links that, if read carefully with contexts in mind, actually disprove her assertions. The general cocnsus on this ist is that the closer the exposure of CS to the site of the infection, the better it works. For lung problems, use a nebulizer and inhale CS directly. I've seen it work wonders where doctors have completely given up and pronounced a death sentence. Ken At 11:50 PM 5/24/02 -0600, you wrote: Hello, My name is Richard Sobe. I recently became interested in Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold while searching the internet for a lower priced Clark Zapper. I have had a viral/fungal cold since mid February, been to the D.O. four times, spent $100 on visits over a five week period, took three different kinds of antibiotics and still wasn't cured. This somewhat aggravated me to the point of searching for a better solution to my health problem. The third time I returned to the doctor I had reiterated that I had been in contact with an extremely large concentration of Black Mold so he gave me an antibiotic designed specifically for that but after taking the course of meds, I still wasn't completely cured. Being how I do not have insurance he was kind enough to give me the medicines out of the sample stock but it didn't matter because they didn't work. Don't get me wrong here, part of what was ailing me was gone, but the chronic lung problem wasn't. This concerned me to the point of thinking what I got can't be cured (I recall reading that somewhere on the web) completely to where the patient suffering from a Black Mold infection would have to be on a lifelong prescription to antibiotics. Well with my current situation of being an unemployed single parent of two, that solution was unacceptable. Early on in my sickness I found some information about Dr. Hulda Clark's kidney and liver cleanse so I downloaded it and printed it. I gave it to my chiropractor to ask her opinion of if it was safe to use those herbs and she said it would be fine. I got a copy of Dr. Clark's Cure for all Diseases from my library and started reading about how to make a Zapper. After searching on the web for Zappers and finding many different models and prices I found some of the companies selling Zappers sold Colloidal Silver. I did research on the C.S., looking for positive and negative things about it. The worst thing I found about ingesting silver was a woman who was quite bluish/gray in appearance. She had used some nose drops back in the 50's for some years while a young child and by the time she was 14, she had argyria. From what I have found this is caused by silver salts and not from pure colloidal silver. So here I am asking all of you: * how long you have been taking C.S. * if you have changed colors * if you know of anyone who has changed colors * what it takes to o.d. on C.S. to be able to turn colors (so I don't, of course) * how long it takes for this to happen to someone * if it is true that the ionic silver when mixed with chloride becomes silver chloride (silver salt) * is the C.S. I am making with my 27V battery setup is safe * what is the safest/affordable way to make C.S. for my own personal use * does anyone use a Zapper and if so, how has it worked for you * what is the stock market going to do in the next six months (just kidding, I had to let all of you know I do have a sense of humor ;~)) and anything else that can ease my mind that I am not poisoning myself and I won't look like a smurf in 5 years from the repeated use of this stuff. I have started using the C.S. that I bought out of a health food store on Monday, May 20th 2002 and I built my own Zapper on the 21st and started using it right away. I started making my own C.S. with just three 9V batteries, the clip on . silver leads and distilled water on Wednesday the 22nd. It is now Friday and I can say that I feel like 90% of my chest mold congestion has been destroyed. I started with a two teaspoon a day dose of the C.S. and then upped it to four tablespoon a day dose when I didn't feel like the junk in my lungs was leaving. I believe it is a combination of both the Zapper and the C.S. that has helped me, although I burned out the timer chip in my Zapper on Thursday afternoon and went without it until Friday afternoon, yet continued to get better. I did have two cold sores
Re: CSNew Subscriber
Hi Ken, You said: We don't count Rosemary. Who knows what she did? She doesn't know herself. Her site has several educational links that, if read carefully with contexts in mind, actually disprove her assertions. I think it's important to be accurate here. Rosemary's case is highly documented (several medical journals and Pub Med) with the exact cause of her argyria being nose drops containing silver - NOT a colloidal preparation. That being said, I'm not so certain that everyone who is making their own is getting true, safe colloidal silver. I think the truth is somewhere between the cavalier attitude about CS exhibited by some, and the overzealous attitude of the FDA, CDC, etc. It is sensible to be concerned about commercial CS as there are no mandatory standards to which a manufacturer needs adhere. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew Subscriber
Hello Richard,\ A friend had a lung mold infection. Nothing worked. He used the Brooks Bradley Group airbrush miracle machine loaded with CS/MSM solution, driven with O2 and was almost completely cured in 3 days. Search the archive. They will cost a little over $100 bux to build. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Richard Sobe [mailto:im_numbe...@msn.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Subscriber Hello, My name is Richard Sobe. I recently became interested in Colloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold while searching the internet for a lower priced Clark Zapper. I have had a viral/fungal cold since mid February, been to the D.O. four times, spent $100 on visits over a five week period, took three different kinds of antibiotics and still wasn't cured. This somewhat aggravated me to the point of searching for a better solution to my health problem. The third time I returned to the doctor I had reiterated that I had been in contact with an extremely large concentration of Black Mold so he gave me an antibiotic designed specifically for that but after taking the course of meds, I still wasn't completely cured. Being how I do not have insurance he was kind enough to give me the medicines out of the sample stock but it didn't matter because they didn't work. Don't get me wrong here, part of what was ailing me was gone, but the chronic lung problem wasn't. This concerned me to the point of thinking what I got can't be cured (I recall reading that somewhere on the web) completely to where the patient suffering from a Black Mold infection would have to be on a lifelong prescription to antibiotics. Well with my current situation of being an unemployed single parent of two, that solution was unacceptable. Early on in my sickness I found some information about Dr. Hulda Clark's kidney and liver cleanse so I downloaded it and printed it. I gave it to my chiropractor to ask her opinion of if it was safe to use those herbs and she said it would be fine. I got a copy of Dr. Clark's Cure for all Diseases from my library and started reading about how to make a Zapper. After searching on the web for Zappers and finding many different models and prices I found some of the companies selling Zappers sold Colloidal Silver. I did research on the C.S., looking for positive and negative things about it. The worst thing I found about ingesting silver was a woman who was quite bluish/gray in appearance. She had used some nose drops back in the 50's for some years while a young child and by the time she was 14, she had argyria. From what I have found this is caused by silver salts and not from pure colloidal silver. So here I am asking all of you: * how long you have been taking C.S. * if you have changed colors * if you know of anyone who has changed colors * what it takes to o.d. on C.S. to be able to turn colors (so I don't, of course) * how long it takes for this to happen to someone * if it is true that the ionic silver when mixed with chloride becomes silver chloride (silver salt) * is the C.S. I am making with my 27V battery setup is safe * what is the safest/affordable way to make C.S. for my own personal use * does anyone use a Zapper and if so, how has it worked for you * what is the stock market going to do in the next six months (just kidding, I had to let all of you know I do have a sense of humor ;~)) and anything else that can ease my mind that I am not poisoning myself and I won't look like a smurf in 5 years from the repeated use of this stuff. I have started using the C.S. that I bought out of a health food store on Monday, May 20th 2002 and I built my own Zapper on the 21st and started using it right away. I started making my own C.S. with just three 9V batteries, the clip on . silver leads and distilled water on Wednesday the 22nd. It is now Friday and I can say that I feel like 90% of my chest mold congestion has been destroyed. I started with a two teaspoon a day dose of the C.S. and then upped it to four tablespoon a day dose when I didn't feel like the junk in my lungs was leaving. I believe it is a combination of both the Zapper and the C.S. that has helped me, although I burned out the timer chip in my Zapper on Thursday afternoon and went without it until Friday afternoon, yet continued to get better. I did have two cold sores that healed rather quickly and I went through the detox stuff with the diarrhea on the second day and on the third day I had a heightened sense of perception and happiness. I took it too far though and started staying up later and later and have the feeling of sleep deprivation so I know I need to keep my normal sleep routine. Boy I sure can ramble, huh? Well, I would appreciate any knowledgeable feedback and I will continue to report in with my findings as I reach them. Thank You, Richard Sobe P.S. I just received some Colloidal Gold today and
RE: CS Distilled Water
But, it picks up whatever is in the air as it falls, including nitric acid and lots of other stuff depending on where. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 6:01 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water Rain water is distilled water. ken At 01:56 PM 5/24/02 -0400, you wrote: Dear List... I get tired of hearing folks repeating what may be nothing more than 'urban myths' regarding such things as mineral leaching caused by DW,or drinking water with a meal inhibits your ability to digest properly,etc. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgrey matter
Happen to know that this particular quote wasn't made by him - it's actually from George Orwell. RegardsTerry - Original Message - From: Gary Green lim...@pc.jaring.my To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: CSgrey matter On Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 09:05 PM, Ode Coyote wrote: L Ron Hubbert was not stupid...no..not by a long shot. He was once quoted as saying that if you ever wanted to make a lot of money just invent your own religion. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Subscriber
Damn Rich, you've got more questions than a virgin bride on her wedding night.:-) You will do well to check out the following web addresses you will like what you read: http://www.silver-colloids.com/ this article is by prof. Ronald J. Gibbs Univ. of Delaware http://silvergen.com/General/altman.pdf This article by Roger Altman should easy your mind about safety. Finally in the area of generating silver go to:http://silvergen.com Jack From: Richard Sobe im_numbe...@msn.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:50:26 -0600 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Subscriber Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:48:52 -0700 how long you have been taking C.S. if you have changed colors if you know of anyone who has changed colors what it takes to o.d. on C.S. to be able to turn colors (so I don't, of course) how long it takes for this to happen to someone if it is true that the ionic silver when mixed with chloride becomes silver chloride (silver salt) is the C.S. I am making with my 27V battery setup is safe what is the safest/affordable way to make C.S. for my own personal use does anyone use a Zapper and if so, how has it worked for you what is the stock market going to do in the next six months (just kidding, I had to let all of you know I do have a sense of humor ;~))
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
hypochondria (hh1pú-kÄn2drT-ú) n. 1. The persistent neurotic conviction that one is or is likely to become ill, often involving experiences of real pain when illness is neither present nor likely. The mind is a powerful tool. Jack From: Arnold Beland abel...@tampabay.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 08:09:34 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 05:10:18 -0700 Think Sick, Be Sick That study is a classic in the annals of research on the nocebo phenomenon, the evil twin of the placebo effect. While the placebo effect refers to health benefits produced by a treatment that should have no effect, patients experiencing the nocebo effect experience the opposite. They presume the worst, health-wise, and that's just what they get. They're convinced that something is going to go wrong, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgrey matter
Thanks Ken, I needed that. :-)
Jack
From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net
Silva Mind Control is for people who already know they can control their
own minds [most people don't] and want to learn better techniques of
getting in touch with what it really is.
For the victim mentality mindset folks who believe that their thoughts and
emotions are controlled by others, it will be la la land.
Ken {I, 'made' me say that.}
At 06:57 PM 5/24/02 -0500, you wrote:
Jack:
I heard about it a long time ago. I had a feeling that it went to
the
la la land along with EST. Is it still going on?
Regards
Harsha Godavari
Jack Dayton wrote:
Hi Gary, I can tell by your reply to Larry's post that you have never
attended a Silva Mind Control program. The mind can be powerfull tool.
Jack
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Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
hy?po?chon?dri?a (hh1pú-kÄn2drT-ú) n. 1. The persistent neurotic conviction that one is or is likely to become ill, often involving experiences of real pain when illness is neither present nor likely. Definitely defined by conventional medicine, who, lacking the tools to make certain diagnoses, and possessing the egos too large to admit it, had to turn it back on the patient so as not to appear as if they don't know everything. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Perhaps, Catherine, if you will post the qualifications for your omniscience, we will then feel free to await your future pronouncements and not need bother with our foolish concepts. Sorry about that Mike, but my button got pushed! Jack From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com Subject: Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 15:14:34 -0700 hy?po?chon?dri?a (hh1pú-kÄn2drT-ú) n. 1. The persistent neurotic conviction that one is or is likely to become ill, often involving experiences of real pain when illness is neither present nor likely. Definitely defined by conventional medicine, who, lacking the tools to make certain diagnoses, and possessing the egos too large to admit it, had to turn it back on the patient so as not to appear as if they don't know everything. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Perhaps, Catherine, if you will post the qualifications for your omniscience, we will then feel free to await your future pronouncements and not need bother with our foolish concepts. With pleasure: http://www.medicinegarden.com/Faculty/CC.html Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Subscriber
Hi Dean, James, and Ken, Thanks to you guys for replying. I found a site where I can buy the nebulizer kit (mouthpiece, t-valve, and meds bottle) for $9 including shipping and I figured I could get a decent aquarium air pump to hook up to it for about $30. Hopefully this setup will work i.e. enough air pressure from the fish tank pump. As for the zapper, I built one myself from the schematics that are shown online but I can't find an electronics repair shop in town that will test it for me on their oscilliscope! I'm going to have to check the community college to see if they can do it. It's amazing that there isn't anyone with a scope that check this circuit out for me. So does anyone think there is a snowflakes chance in hades that the feds could be lobbied into do some real research on CS to make it FDA approved and get some standardization on this stuff or is it better off being left alone for the few who find it to be able to use it and make it themselves? Richard Sobe - Original Message - From: Dean T. Miller Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Subscriber On Fri, 24 May 2002 23:50:26 -0600, Richard Sobe im_numbe...@msn.com wrote: how long you have been taking C.S. 8 years. About 8 ounces daily. Cats and dogs use it, too. if you have changed colors No if you know of anyone who has changed colors No what it takes to o.d. on C.S. to be able to turn colors (so I don't, of course) Calculations say about 70 gallons/day of 10 ppm CS for at least 6 months. how long it takes for this to happen to someone 900 years. Maybe more. :) (A former list member paid to run an analysis of his CS use to find out what amount gets eliminated and how long the CS stays in the body. I don't recall the amount of CS he used, but apparently the silver gets eliminated quite quickly, within a day or less for most of the silver. This implies that using CS many times daily in small amounts is probably more effective than drinking a bunch once per day.) if it is true that the ionic silver when mixed with chloride becomes silver chloride (silver salt) Just mixing won't do it very much. Other factors are involved (electricity, catalysts). is the C.S. I am making with my 27V battery setup is safe Depends on how long you run it. It's safe if you run for under 1 hour (normal is 1/2 hour for 8 ounces with that setup). After that you'll be making clumps of silver which will eventually fall to the bottom of the container. The CS will still be okay (but may look funny), but you'll be wasting silver. what is the safest/affordable way to make C.S. for my own personal use Use only distilled water, no additives. Use only .999 (or purer) fine silver. A 20 to 30 volt wall wart will be cheaper than batteries in the long run. Most convenient will be a CS generator that shuts itself off when done and has a stirrer. does anyone use a Zapper and if so, how has it worked for you Yes. A *real* zapper was the ONLY drug/herb/supplement/procedure/process that worked to cure a severe, chronic sinus problem I had. (Including everything 15+ MDs prescribed, and including CS) A real zapper is a device that produces square wave pulses, having a rise time of about 10 us, with a 50% duty cycle. The peak voltage must be a minimum of 8 volts, optimally 11 to 12 volts (implying a power supply of 12 volts), and current limited to about 2-3 mA except during the rising edge of the pulse. Frequency should be around 2200 Hz. what is the stock market going to do in the next six months (just kidding, I had to let all of you know I do have a sense of humor ;~)) Stock market drops until about mid-June, then rises quite a bit until mid-September -- then really tanks.:) and anything else that can ease my mind that I am not poisoning myself and I won't look like a smurf in 5 years from the repeated use of this stuff. I have started using the C.S. that I bought out of a health food store on Monday, May 20th 2002 and I built my own Zapper on the 21st and started using it right away. I started making my own C.S. with just three 9V batteries, the clip on . silver leads and distilled water on Wednesday the 22nd. It is now Friday and I can say that I feel like 90% of my chest mold congestion has been destroyed. You might want to use a nebulizer so you can inhale the CS. Either an air pressure type or an ultrasonic type works fine (look in the archives for this list -- URL at the bottom of this message). A steam vaporizer won't work (it's a distiller, and leaves the CS in the pan). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to:
Re: CSNew Subscriber
Hi Richard, On Sat, 25 May 2002 17:50:28 -0600, Richard Sobe im_numbe...@msn.com wrote: As for the zapper, I built one myself from the schematics that are shown online but I can't find an electronics repair shop in town that will test it for me on their oscilliscope! I'm going to have to check the community college to see if they can do it. It's amazing that there isn't anyone with a scope that check this circuit out for me. If the circuit you use is the standard 555 timer circuit, powered by a 9-volt battery, then the rise time of the square wave pulse will be fast enough. A cheap voltmeter, set on the AC range, should read about 4 to 5 volts. If you use a 12 volt power source then the AC reading should be around 7 volts. These readings will tell you that the circuit is producing pulses. (I have several 'scopes and have verified these readings.) If you wanted, Radio Shack had a pen-style handheld scope for about $75 that will show the waveform (on a really small LCD). So does anyone think there is a snowflakes chance in hades that the feds could be lobbied into do some real research on CS to make it FDA approved and get some standardization on this stuff or is it better off being left alone for the few who find it to be able to use it and make it themselves? No. No money in it for the Feds or for anyone who researches it. Showing that CS works better than many current drugs would be the death (maybe literally) of anyone who attempts to publicly push this research and info. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgrey matter
Hi Ken,
Actually I once was into the Scientology thing about 10 years ago. What they
believe is that all of the emotional and physical trauma in your memory has an
inhibiting effect on your future actions. If you don't relieve yourself of the
inhibiting effect by going through a repetitive verbal recollection of the
traumatic event, then you won't clear your mind of the inhibition. They call
this auditing. Supposedly, each soul may have previous lives. Some are old
souls, some are new. If your soul has previous lives then there's probably
emotional and physical trauma that has been carried along with you to your
current life. That stuff needs to be cleared also in order for one to become a
true 'clear.' I fell out of the Scientology/Dianetics thing because I went back
to being a drug addict. But I'm over all that now, and just want to get through
this life healthy and having accomplished something GREAT that people will
remember me by. Maybe it will be through the Colloidal Silver. I've currently
got a lot of time on my hands right now, maybe I can stir up some stuff in
Washington.
- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 11:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSgrey matter
EST turned into the Family Forum.
You attend a $300 seminar, sit for 48 hrs of brainwashing while they
attempt to enlighten you as to what IT is. They say that when you have
completed enough education, you will get IT
In the end, IT is...taking control of your own mind and emotions, going
the heck home and ,henceforth, leading your own live rather than being
victimized by the expectations of others.
Some people pay $1000s and invest in years of study and training before
they finally learn that IT involves telling the mentors to go screw
themselves.
At that point, the student is offered mentorship.
Scientology works the same way...only much more drastic. Their
brainwashing is designed to scrub really hard. They make you look at all
the bullshit in there until you realize that, that's exactly what it
is...bullshit. If you don't believe you have nothing but bullshit in your
head, they'll load a big pile in for you to look at..as big a pile as
you'll take , then demostrate just how far you'll go to take bullshit
seriously with all sorts of mental/emotional/physical abuse. But there's a
method to that maddness.
When you finally say, That's bullshit!..you might make the connection
that everything else in there was aquired the same way and is also bullshit.
The Scientologists make very damned SURE that you get IT.
A simple screw off ain't enough.
You gotta really mean it and repeatedly ACT like you do.
Then, you are a clear and are offered a position.
Or, you go about your business in a new and effective way.
IT is that the mind of a victim is what victimizes the mind.
The common thread is that it's not likely that an unreasonable mind will
listen to reason, so, unreason is employed to its breaking
point...victimize the victim until he will no longer play the victim game.
They know that it's the person that heals himself and there's no other way.
[They just provide the incentive by making your particular illness
unbearable]
L Ron Hubbert was not stupid...no..not by a long shot.
Dianetics IS total bullshit..bullshit with the purpose of exposing dearly
held and defended bullshit.
His other books makes very clear that he knew what was what.
Silva Mind Control is for people who already know they can control their
own minds [most people don't] and want to learn better techniques of
getting in touch with what it really is.
For the victim mentality mindset folks who believe that their thoughts and
emotions are controlled by others, it will be la la land.
Ken {I, 'made' me say that.}
At 06:57 PM 5/24/02 -0500, you wrote:
Jack:
I heard about it a long time ago. I had a feeling that it went to
the
la la land along with EST. Is it still going on?
Regards
Harsha Godavari
Jack Dayton wrote:
Hi Gary, I can tell by your reply to Larry's post that you have never
attended a Silva Mind Control program. The mind can be powerfull tool.
Jack
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Re: CSNew Subscriber
That being said, I'm not so certain that everyone who is making their own is getting true, safe colloidal silver. So the safest bet would be to invest in a good silver detecting PPM meter to make sure that we are making good, safe CS and have it analyzed for particle size on occasion.
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Take your bow, Dame Catherine... - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT Perhaps, Catherine, if you will post the qualifications for your omniscience, we will then feel free to await your future pronouncements and not need bother with our foolish concepts. With pleasure: http://www.medicinegarden.com/Faculty/CC.html Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
