Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
I seem to recall being told when I first bought contacts that I shouldn't get water on them. Something about water that would cause them to discolor. Not sure how true that is though. Logic would have it that if this were true that the distilled water in CS might cause the same problem. But I really don't know for a fact how that would turn out. I just thought it might be worth mentioning. Maybe others would have more experience with using CS on their contacts. I am curious to know more about this one myself. - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses Hi Ruth - I am not a scientist, or as scientifically knowledgable as a lot of people on this list, but I would advise against using cs while the lenses are in the eyes. I read on the list a while back where a man said the dentist told him someone had filled his tooth, which wasn't the case, he was just drinking cs. If that is a possibility with the teeth, I would think it might collect on the lens and cause problems to the eyes. I could be wrong and if anyone wants to speak up, please do. But that's just my opinion.
Re: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency
Persons interested in magnetic pulsers might wish to contact a person named Buryl Payne. He makes some devices including something called a power pulser. His site is www.buryl.com I read his book. It is interesting. I will receive a power pulser from him soon. JBB On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 12:17 Asia/Tokyo, Robb Allen wrote: Hi..I was wondering.has anyone attempted to make a magnetic pulser that operates at rife frequency's? It seems that it would be very effective and could overcome alot of the tissue penetration problems.perhaps people are already doing this?anyone know?.Robb
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
Hi, Paula, I am open to the possibility that my observations are coincidental. As Mike points out, it is very difficult to control all the variables involved -- almost impossible in my case as a home experimenter.I think, though, that others might just want to keep an eye on their own results and see what comes up. That's my plan. Cheers, JBB On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 23:30 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: Jonathan, Just thought you might like to know that as I was having trouble with my CS turning yellow more often than not (for the entire past year--the whole time I've been making my own) I looked hard at the moon cycle to see if there was any effect and could not find anyhere. Wonder what the difference is? paula - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten As for Mike's rather sarcastic remarks below, I will say only that there is much to be learned, and that closemindedness precludes learning. A simple point: it could be that his set-up is so well regulated that it eliminates the lunar influence which I and others have observed. This is an obvious and certainly a possibility. I see no cause for such remarks as he makes. As for lunar influence, the work of a Dr. H. S. Burr at Yale, though not widely studied, shows a variety of fascinating and subtle effects of various cycles on biological activity. I will not go and on and with this. I did discover something interesting: moon cycles may be connected to global warming. I had never thought of that! See http://www.cei.org/gencon/014,02819.cfm JBB On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 16:46 Asia/Tokyo, Jason Eaton wrote: Mike: Why don't you, however, share the lab results that were obtained from the study of your production process? And contrast that to the readings you swore you would get? Yes, I am aware of the lab results obtained from your product specifications; what I'm surprised at is your instance that theory outways analytical study -- still. It is quite baffling, but I do enjoy your explorations, ideas, and reports immensely. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Mike Monett 31dtzj...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62910.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:01:03 The moon is too far away to influence any of the parameters that affect the cs process. When you get unrepeatable results, you need to control these parameters better. Best Regards, Mike Monett You're up against the consensus here, Thomas the Doubter... scientifically schooled and scientifically fooled. HDN, I need no futher comments here just to make my snyde comments Hyde... Yes, Harvey, I guess you got me pegged. I don't believe in magic or witchcraft. I don't believe in free energy, over-unity, or Tom Bearden's scalar waves. I don't believe in a lot of things that scams are made from. And I don't believe solar flares or the phase of the moon can affect the production of cs. I believe in controlling contamination, current density at the electrodes, quality of the dw, and using precision constant current sources, Faraday's equations, and good instrumentation. And my cs is not affected by the phase of the moon. So the next time you make cs during a full moon, take your frog, circle the cs generator three times in a counterclockwise direction to set up the proper vortex, then three times in a clockwise direction, all the while chanting your favorite mantra. Then eat the frog. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
Re: CSYellow tinted CS!!
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62995.html Re: CSYellow tinted CS!! From: Malcolm Stebbins Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:00:48 Hi Mike, why do you assume the only effects of ion storms are exclusively magnetic? Cause that's the component that shuts down the power grids:) If a magnetic field varies it produces an electrical field, if it varies rapidly, the resultant electromagnetic field will propagate. Sure, but the minimum frequency for efficient propagation is well above the geostorm frequencies. For example, the NIST LF frequency standard transmits at 60KHz, and whistlers cover the audio range. I believe submarine communications take place at 10 Hz, and the Schumann Resonances cover the range from 6 to 10 Hz: http://itss.raytheon.com/cafe/qadir/q768.html All these require a very sensitive receiver and a good antenna array. The cs generator makes a poor receiver, and the short leads make a lousy antenna:) The frequency of GICs is very low (one to a few milliHertz) http://www.hsb.com/thelocomotive/Story/FullStory/ST-FS-SOLAR.html So any induced electric field will be too weak to have any effect on cs. (Please see below.) The effects of both lunar periodic and solar storm variations on human and animal behavior are well documented; see R. O. Becker, Cross Currents (sorry, can't give you the page numbers right now) for a study and additional references. The effects of terrestrial deformation such as those caused by lunar land tides on the generation of electromagnetic anomalies are a commonplace in geological work. No question about that. Animals are much closer to nature than we are, and there are many well-documented cases of dogs giving warning just before major earthquakes. Solar as well as other ionic disturbances are recorded from electrically (static) sensitive devices as well as magnetic (inductive) ones, all due respect to railroad engineers. Shawn Carleson wrote many good articles for The Amateur Scientist in Scientific American. I recall one that used a very sensitive electrometer ic to measure the earth's electric field, and I believe he talked about detecting ion storms. Those chips work down the the femptoamp range. Since the currents are so small, they are well below the noise level in the cs process and can have little effect. But I'll bet railroad tracks get interesting in a geostorm:) Take care, Malcolm Thanks, Malcom. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS
- Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: sick from cs Hi Nenah, The other 97% is purified water--the 3% is Stabilized Hydrogen peroxide. Unless you purchase the 35% food grade and dilute with distilled water, you are using regular medicinal H2O2 which is fine and much easier and safer. The food grade, 35%, is highly explosive; the cosmetic grade, 6%, is explosive as is the medicinal grade, 3%. Handle each carefully, without shaking and keep away from heat. I believe they store it in dark plastic bottles, since flying glass bottles in explosion is so dangerous. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Phamacist Thanks Richard. I didn't ask the original question (what's the other 97% of the 3% Hydrogen Peroxide solution), but it's still good to get the details. I use only food grade and love it. As long as we're on the topic, I have a question for you or anyone else about the effects of baking soda in my distilled water when I make CS. I just made my first batch of CS using baking soda, and I'm not totally comfortable with the results. I don't have a meter so I'm not able to read particle size or concentration -- OR see what else is in the water -- but from the taste, it's clear that the baking soda is prominent. My questions are: 1) Is the silver still effective? 2) Are there any dangerous compounds in the fluid (or compounds that might give one argyria)? I'd really appreciate knowing this, as I'd love to start using the CS again. Perhaps I used too much baking soda. Richard, Bob, Trem, Ode? Anyone? Thanks much. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63000.html Re: CS was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS From: Nenah Sylver Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 02:22:05 Hi Nenah, You are going to get a lot of answers on this one, and they will probably all say don't put anything in the cs. Here's some information that might help understand the cs process. It includes a statement about adding salt, baking soda, honey, and anything else that people dream up: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/130vdc.htm Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlooking for information on silica sources
- Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CSlooking for information on silica sources Horsetail and other mineral rich herbs are excellent sources and can be consumed as tea. Onions are also very rich in silica. Best if not cooked or only lightly. It is in the thin membrane between layers. Food based mineral sources are always better absorbed than supplements as most of these are metallic form and not in the matrix of the plant material which facilitates absorption. It is also present in fairly high amounts in oats so Oatstraw Tea would also be a good source. BTW Silica enhances absorption and utilization of Calcium and Magnesium. Studies in race horses show a reduction in injuries when Silica was supplemented. They used Zeolite, a metallic form in the studies. The research was done at U of WI. There was a short report in the Dec 02 Equus magazine. You can also take Homeopathic Silicea to enhance your absorption and utilization of Silica. It makes my hair and fingernails grow faster and stronger and I use my fingernail condition as an indicator. Garnet Garnet, Thank you for this very important information. When you say homeopathic, what dosage are you talking about? Are you referring to the cell salt dose (3 to 12X), or something higher? Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPh of Distilled water?
James Holmes wrote: Hi Marshall, What is your understanding of the effect of drinking acidic distilled water? JOH From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com Essentially no effect. The only long term effect I can think of would be a slight etching of the teeth, which would be almost none. The CO2 will get breathed out as soon as it hits the blood stream. Marshall, Every single source that I consider to be reliable, and every holistic health care practitioner I've ever consulted, cautions against drinking acidic fluids that (unlike lemon juice) do not turn alkaline in the system. There is already quite a bit of data on my website about this topic; so this is the last I'll say for awhile on the matter. Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author (under the name Nina Silver) of *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.nenahsylver.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
That may have been me that reported on the dentists reaction. He did not say that someone had filled the tooth. The hole was still there but it was clean as a whistle with no decayed bone or bacterial colonies in it. The decay had been stopped in its tracks. That's what amazed him. He only had to do the bare minimum of drilling to shape the hole for the filling. I've had the same experience with my dentist who says that he thought I would be a disaster area when I first came in..every time he sees me and has nothing to do. And I tell him about CS each time. Then he gives me more flouride which remains unopened. I had 3 watch spots before I started using CS and went to that dentist. 4 Years later..no change. He just can't figure out why those little holes never got bigger. The 'literature' on Argyria states that the eyes are very sensitive to silver buildup and is one of the first places where signs show up. I have NEVER heard of any problems with using Bredig Sol CS in the eyes.[what we make, vs ,some commercial cs] Some commercially sold bottles actually warn against getting it in the eyes. The bottle that I saw with that warning had Mild Silver Protein in very small, almost microscopic letters on the label. One customer who tried store bought CS on pink eye used the pricy store stuff to wash shower curtains after using one of my generators as it stung her eyes horribly and the home made...stronger...CS did not. I don't hesitate at all to spray my home made CS on my eyeballs. [Clears up a sty in about 2 days. Cedar and Cyprus sawdust is horrible about making stys if some gets in the eyes] It stings my eyes just a little for a moment just like distilled water does. Some people say it doesn't sting at all. Tough eyes? [seen lots of hard times, I guess] Ode At 03:04 PM 10/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi Ruth - I am not a scientist, or as scientifically knowledgable as a lot of people on this list, but I would advise against using cs while the lenses are in the eyes. I read on the list a while back where a man said the dentist told him someone had filled his tooth, which wasn't the case, he was just drinking cs. If that is a possibility with the teeth, I would think it might collect on the lens and cause problems to the eyes. I could be wrong and if anyone wants to speak up, please do. But that's just my opinion. Debbie - Original Message - From: mailto:crimsonl...@bellsouth.net>Ruth To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS and Soft Contact Lenses Since these are a test/freebie pair of lenses, and as I have received no responses from my question below, I will begin using a drop of CS (as I feel are needed) in my eyes while wearing the lenses. My main concern was that the CS would stain the lenses as it does some other surfaces. I'll let y'all know if any effects (positive or negative) occur in the next few weeks or so. Thanks again... Ruth - Original Message - From: mailto:crimsonl...@bellsouth.net>Ruth To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>Silverlist Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: CS>CS and Soft Contact Lenses Do any of y'all know if it's ok to use CS drops while soft contact lenses are in my eyes? I just started re-wearing soft contacts and it used to be that you should only use drops made specifically for soft lenses. The ones I just got are the 30 day Night Day Ciba Vision lenses (made to wear and sleep in for up to 30 days then throw away and start wearing a new pair). Any information and input you can give is appreciated. Thanks in advance!! Ruth -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
x-rich That may have been me that reported on the dentists reaction. He did not say that someone had filled the tooth. The hole was still there but it was clean as a whistle with no decayed bone or bacterial colonies in it. The decay had been stopped in its tracks. That's what amazed him. He only had to do the bare minimum of drilling to shape the hole for the filling. I've had the same experience with my dentist who says that he thought I would be a disaster area when I first came in..every time he sees me and has nothing to do. And I tell him about CS each time. Then he gives me more flouride which remains unopened. I had 3 watch spots before I started using CS and went to that dentist. 4 Years later..no change. He just can't figure out why those little holes never got bigger. The 'literature' on Argyria states that the eyes are very sensitive to silver buildup and is one of the first places where signs show up. I have NEVER heard of any problems with using Bredig Sol CS in the eyes.[what we make, vs ,some commercial cs] Some commercially sold bottles actually warn against getting it in the eyes. The bottle that I saw with that warning had Mild Silver Protein in very small, almost microscopic letters on the label. One customer who tried store bought CS on pink eye used the pricy store stuff to wash shower curtains after using one of my generators as it stung her eyes horribly and the home made...stronger...CS did not. I don't hesitate at all to spray my home made CS on my eyeballs. [Clears up a sty in about 2 days. Cedar and Cyprus sawdust is horrible about making stys if some gets in the eyes] It stings my eyes just a little for a moment just like distilled water does. Some people say it doesn't sting at all. Tough eyes? [seen lots of hard times, I guess] Ode At 03:04 PM 10/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: excerptfontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerHi Ruth - I am not a scientist, or as scientifically knowledgable as a lot of people on this list, but I would advise against using cs while the lenses are in the eyes. I read on the list a while back where a man said the dentist told him someone had filled his tooth, which wasn't the case, he was just drinking cs. If that is a possibility with the teeth, I would think it might collect on the lens and cause problems to the eyes. /smaller/fontfamily fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerI could be wrong and if anyone wants to speak up, please do. But that's just my opinion. /smaller/fontfamily fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerDebbie /smaller/fontfamilyexcerpt - Original Message - boldFrom:/bold mailto:crimsonl...@bellsouth.netRuth boldTo:/bold mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com boldSent:/bold Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:27 PM boldSubject:/bold Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerSince these are a test/freebie pair of lenses, and as I have received no responses from my question below, I will begin using a drop of CS (as I feel are needed) in my eyes while wearing the lenses. My main concern was that the CS would stain the lenses as it does some other surfaces. I'll let y'all know if any effects (positive or negative) occur in the next few weeks or so. /smaller/fontfamily fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerThanks again... Ruth /smaller/fontfamilyexcerpt - Original Message - boldFrom:/bold mailto:crimsonl...@bellsouth.netRuth boldTo:/bold mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comSilverlist boldSent:/bold Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:49 PM boldSubject:/bold CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerDo any of y'all know if it's ok to use CS drops while soft contact lenses are in my eyes? I just started re-wearing soft contacts and it used to be that you should only use drops made specifically for soft lenses. The ones I just got are the 30 day Night Day Ciba Vision lenses (made to wear and sleep in for up to 30 days then throw away and start wearing a new pair). Any information and input you can give is appreciated. /smaller/fontfamily fontfamilyparamArial/paramsmallerThanks in advance!! Ruth /smaller/fontfamily /excerpt/excerpt /excerpt /x-rich -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelena
Aloha Debbie, Yes, those web sites do sell silver electrodes. Someone on this list have also mentioned this site for purchasing silver wires. http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/superfines.html Warmest Regards, Helena At 10:03 AM 10/03/2003, you wrote: Aloha Helena, Thanks for the info. I meant silver coil. Does those websites you sent me also sell silver coil? Thanks, Debbie
Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion
What about a 'lead pipe cinch'? Dan (I wonder what this has to do with Colloidal silver uS/PPM conversion?...) - Original Message - Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion From: Jack Dayton Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:52:39 cking...@nycap.rr.com 10/2/03 9:24 PM Wrote: tinkers dam IS correct. *** Hi Chuck, I know the source of the expression ... not worth a TINKER'S dam. don't forget the apostrophe. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
I'm a soft contact lens wearer and when needed I do not hesitate to use CS while wearing them. This isn't a daily thing and see no reason why one would want to do this. I have noticed no difference when I use it or when I don't. My optometrist only told me to be careful in the shower because the water could wash the lens from my eye. I was also told not to use eye drops (Visine, and such) not specifically for soft contact lenses because some component could cause the lens to become less flexible and/or cloudy. He wasn't specific about which chemical was the culprit. I've had my contacts for 3 years or so now and during that time I've treated a developing sty once and used CS probably a dozen times when I thought it was warranted and as I said I noticed no negative effects. Regards, George -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion
Neither scientist seized either species of weird leisure. Dan Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion * From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) * Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:49:26 Geez, Vince, don't encourage me... Besides, that I before E except after C rule is really WEIRD, isn't it? Chuck Smile and the world smiles with you. Frown and you get credit for thinking. -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
Just what I was looking for. Re: scrubbing with the green thingy How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the green thingy to avoid contamination? I would think there is something better like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something that one doesn't use more than once. At 05:38 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62980.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: Stuff Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:57 Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of? Mostly water and stabilizers that depend on the application. Here's some info: 4. What are H2O2 stabilizers and will they affect my application? Most commercial grades of H2O2 contain chelants and sequestrants which minimize its decomposition under normal storage and handling conditions. In some applications (e.g., copper etching or cosmetic formulations) a high degree of stabilization is needed; whereas, in others (e.g., drinking water treatment or semiconductor manufacture) product purity is more important. For most environmental applications, H2O2 stabilization does not affect product performance. The types of stabilizers used in H2O2 vary between producers and product grades. Colloidal stannate and sodium pyrophosphate (present at 25 - 250 mg/L) are the traditional mainstays, although organophosphonates (e.g., Monsanto's Dequest products) are increasingly common. Other additives may include nitrate (for pH adjustment and corrosion inhibition) and phosphoric acid (for pH adjustment). Certain end-uses - which depend on the bleaching ability of H2O2 in alkali - utilize colloidal silicate to sequester metals and thereby minimize H2O2 decomposition. http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html#4 Incidentally, Ken posted some good information earlier on using H2O2 to clean electrodes: It's not neccesary to clean off the darkness..only remove the loose stuff. The electrode just gets darkened again very soon so scrubbing it off is pointless and you remove a lot of silver along with it that you could otherwise use. Also, scrubbing with the green thingie smooths the surface of the electrode [by removing silver] A rough pitted electrode has more surface area and lowers current density somewhat and provides a surface for any deposits to stick to better so they don't wind up in the water. It actually works better if it's not smooth. One way to remove the darkness without scrubbing is to place the electrodes in hydrogen peroxide but only for a few minutes. H2O2 cleans them pretty fast but if you leave them in it, they'll turn black again. Be sure to rinse the H2O2 off with distilled water before using the electrodes again. Allowing them to dry completely probably does the trick too. If you get some peroxide into your batch while making CS, all sorts of weird things can happen. If you have a batch that's gone yellow, as little as 4 drops of peroxide per liter will clear it up in a few days. But don't ever use that to start another batch. Ode http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60130.html Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEbay ban of CS
List members may be interested in the response from Ebay on why they ban sales of colloidal silver. Ebay considers colloidal silver to be a controlled substance the same as narcotics. frank key --- Hello Frank, Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site. Our policy regarding such items does not mention every item specifically, if this were the case then the page would be to large and most like crash most of the web browsers that try to view it. Our policy states that we do not allow Narcotics, steroids or other controlled substances. Until further notice, this product is considered a controlled substance and not permitted on our site. For more information on this policy, please view the following link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-drug.html I wish you the best with your future transactions. Regards, Sabastian rswebh...@ebay.com eBay Community Watch __ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlooking for information on silica sources
I have used Silicea 30C and 200C. I have not use the lower potencies but if I were to take Silicea daily I would use the lower potencies. It may be in the combo remedy Biochemic Cell Salts, I have taken those for short periods, mostly for the Mg effects, prescribed by a holistic doctor. I just reread my post and it sounds like I was saying that I used fingernail condition and growth as an indicator of the H. silicea working. Actually my fingernail comment was in reference to food based silicon not the H. form. I have not used the H. form myself over an extended period of time. I have mostly used it for deep seated wounds in my horses, like a persistent sinus or fistula. I used 200c and resolved a long standing infected tract in one of my horses hooves. It was an amazing response as I had been treating this for sometime before trying the Silicea. I have also used it in a horse that has uveitis, during an attack (they are periodic). In this case I can not say what the effect was as I was giving other herbs and H. remedies. It was quite a severe condition. Got him through the episode and ended up having an experimental Cyclosporine implant put in his one good eye to control the Killer T Cell over kill process that happens in the eye. Uveitis is a generic conditioin with many causes, it means inflammation of the uvea, T Cells are mobilized and they actually do too much, causing degeneration in of the structures of the eye. It is a little understood condition that occurs in dogs and humans. Many go blind and never know they have it or that it can now be treated with this new implant, which is working for my horse very well. Garnet On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 05:16, Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: CSlooking for information on silica sources Horsetail and other mineral rich herbs are excellent sources and can be consumed as tea. Onions are also very rich in silica. Best if not cooked or only lightly. It is in the thin membrane between layers. Food based mineral sources are always better absorbed than supplements as most of these are metallic form and not in the matrix of the plant material which facilitates absorption. It is also present in fairly high amounts in oats so Oatstraw Tea would also be a good source. BTW Silica enhances absorption and utilization of Calcium and Magnesium. Studies in race horses show a reduction in injuries when Silica was supplemented. They used Zeolite, a metallic form in the studies. The research was done at U of WI. There was a short report in the Dec 02 Equus magazine. You can also take Homeopathic Silicea to enhance your absorption and utilization of Silica. It makes my hair and fingernails grow faster and stronger and I use my fingernail condition as an indicator. Garnet Garnet, Thank you for this very important information. When you say homeopathic, what dosage are you talking about? Are you referring to the cell salt dose (3 to 12X), or something higher? Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: sick from cs
Just to clarify things, Richard, this was my question: Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of? Thanks for the info. At 08:53 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hi Nenah, The other 97% is purified water--the 3% is Stabilized Hydrogen peroxide. Unless you purchase the 35% food grade and dilute with distilled water, you are using regular medicinal H2O2 which is fine and much easier and safer. The food grade, 35%, is highly explosive; the cosmetic grade, 6%, is explosive as is the medicinal grade, 3%. Handle each carefully, without shaking and keep away from heat. I believe they store it in dark plastic bottles, since flying glass bottles in explosion is so dangerous. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Phamacist -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs At 05:56 PM 10/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: luut.verb...@freeler.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of? I always clean my silver electrodes with 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide. It works for me. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEbay ban of CS
Geez, I didn't know CS was *regulated* by the FDA? Good thing I make my ownso now they are stopping sales of things they *regulate* proactively? paula - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: CSEbay ban of CS Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site.
Re: CSGold wire source
What do you use Colloidal Gold for? Garnet On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 20:45, fig...@comcast.net wrote: Anyone know a good supplier of pure gold wire to make colloidal gold? Thanks Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency
My wife I are using SOTA'S Zapper, new model ZHC5 ($110 US) for a few weeks intend to continue. This is a continuation of improvement on Bob Beck's Zapper Protocol. They have been very customer friendly in sending info answering questions. I have a pacemaker and info on magnetic pulser's that I have seen, state that this is not intended for pacemaker patients without their doctor present. If anyone has info on this I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency Persons interested in magnetic pulsers might wish to contact a person named Buryl Payne. He makes some devices including something called a power pulser. His site is www.buryl.com I read his book. It is interesting. I will receive a power pulser from him soon. JBB On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 12:17 Asia/Tokyo, Robb Allen wrote: Hi..I was wondering.has anyone attempted to make a magnetic pulser that operates at rife frequency's? It seems that it would be very effective and could overcome alot of the tissue penetration problems.perhaps people are already doing this?anyone know?.Robb
Re: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency
I don't see how this would be possible.. The inductors and caps used in magnetic pulser are so massive (relitavely speaking) That they simply would load down the cct. at rife freqs..The caps would not be able to charge and discharge no-where near fast enough. Neither would the inductors be able to collapse the flux density fast enough.. Grant.. On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 12:17 Asia/Tokyo, Robb Allen wrote: Hi..I was wondering.has anyone attempted to make a magnetic pulser that operates at rife frequency's? It seems that it would be very effective and could overcome alot of the tissue penetration problems.perhaps people are already doing this?anyone know?.Robb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe CS; Silica
I use Silicea 6X a Silicea 6X P.U.S[Silicon Dioxide] in a base of lactose. This is a Homeopathic remedy,and I find it very good,especially when my lungs get choked up with phlegm.I use this along with CS in my Ultrasonic cool mist humidifier,if it gets serious. Best to all, Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63011.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: Stuff Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:22:47 Just what I was looking for. Re: scrubbing with the green thingy How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the green thingy to avoid contamination? I would think there is something better like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something that one doesn't use more than once. Hi Stuff, I think Ken is referring to the green 3M Scotch Brite scour pads. These have two sides and four flat edges, so there's plenty of room to find fresh areas. As Ken pointed out, you shouldn't clean the electrodes very often. This just removes valuable silver and tends to smooth the electrodes. This reduces the surface area and increases the current density slightly. Read his post carefully if you don't quite understand. He packs a lot of information in a small space:) For normal cleaning, a simple wipe is all that is needed to remove the soft black oxide. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold wire source
What do you use Colloidal Gold for? Garnet Enlightenment? Atomized into lungs. Lungs are the organ of higher thought. That's why pranayama and other breathing exercises. Dan - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: CSGold wire source What do you use Colloidal Gold for? Garnet On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 20:45, fig...@comcast.net wrote: Anyone know a good supplier of pure gold wire to make colloidal gold? Thanks Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelena
Here is a very good place for . #12 silver wire. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2Fquery=.+silver Look for Pure Silver Wire (NOT 999) 1 Ounce 12 ga This may take you to one of the sites. The seller is on one of the CS groups and a very nice guy. Sincerely Yours, Hank http://www.babelmagazine.com/ http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html At 10:03 AM 10/03/2003, you wrote: Aloha Helena, Thanks for the info. I meant silver coil. Does those websites you sent me also sell silver coil? Thanks, Debbie
Re: CSRE: sick from cs
Thanks and I've saved the post to which u referred below. At 12:37 PM 10/4/2003 -0400, you wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63011.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: Stuff Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 07:22:47 Just what I was looking for. Re: scrubbing with the green thingy How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the green thingy to avoid contamination? I would think there is something better like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something that one doesn't use more than once. Hi Stuff, I think Ken is referring to the green 3M Scotch Brite scour pads. These have two sides and four flat edges, so there's plenty of room to find fresh areas. As Ken pointed out, you shouldn't clean the electrodes very often. This just removes valuable silver and tends to smooth the electrodes. This reduces the surface area and increases the current density slightly. Read his post carefully if you don't quite understand. He packs a lot of information in a small space:) For normal cleaning, a simple wipe is all that is needed to remove the soft black oxide. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAdditives to CS production...
To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion
Quoting Dan Nave na...@comcast.net: Neither scientist seized either species of weird leisure. Dan Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion * From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) * Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:49:26 Geez, Vince, don't encourage me... Besides, that I before E except after C rule is really WEIRD, isn't it? Chuck Smile and the world smiles with you. Frown and you get credit for thinking. Then add the exception of when 'ei' sounds as 'a' as in neighbor and weigh.but wEIrd doesn't fit any of them. :-) Bruce A -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Hi Mike! Well said... Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm. Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ). Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production, only after! Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/02/2003
RE: CSAdditives to CS production...
Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant). Friends that have used my CS report many wonderful resullts--I remind them that God is the Healer and uses many things and people to do His Healing and that He blesses CS use tremendously! Many of us are greatly indebted to You, Jason, Trem, Ole Bob, Herx, Marshall, Ode and many others who share their research and knowlege with those of us who are still seeking and searching for your valuable information so we can be more valuable to our families, friends and neighbors! Thanks to each of you. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAdditives to CS production...
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63026.html RE: CSAdditives to CS production... From: Richard Harris Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:21:57 Thanks for the nice bedtime story, Mike. Like Richard, I add a bit of H2O2. I push my cs generator to make a slight tint, then add 1/2 teaspoon of H2O2 per litre. This converts the silver oxides back into ions and makes a strong, mild cs. The amount of H2O2 needed is only about 0.2 ppm, and it keeps the cs clear indefinitely. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Well done. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: It kinda surprises me that it has come up. Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water. That's your bed-time story for today. G'night boys and girls! grin Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
Ode Coyote 10/4/03 4:40 AM Wrote: Tough eyes? [seen lots of hard times, I guess] Ode - - - - - OH, that's a real groaner :-) Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEbay ban of CS
Ok, so where does that leave Canadian merchants? Colloidal silver is freely available in the health food stores here. Isn't it in the USA? Duncan Crow List members may be interested in the response from Ebay on why they ban sales of colloidal silver. Ebay considers colloidal silver to be a controlled substance the same as narcotics. frank key --- Hello Frank, Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site. Our policy regarding such items does not mention every item specifically, if this were the case then the page would be to large and most like crash most of the web browsers that try to view it. Our policy states that we do not allow Narcotics, steroids or other controlled substances. Until further notice, this product is considered a controlled substance and not permitted on our site. For more information on this policy, please view the following link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-drug.html I wish you the best with your future transactions. Regards, Sabastian rswebh...@ebay.com eBay Community Watch __ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEbay ban of CS
Will Ebay allow the sales of CS generators? John in Australia - Original Message - From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: CSEbay ban of CS Geez, I didn't know CS was *regulated* by the FDA? Good thing I make my ownso now they are stopping sales of things they *regulate* proactively? paula - Original Message - From: Frank Key To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: CSEbay ban of CS Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site.
CSFDA?
So EBay won't stick up for consumers? Heck, why not start our own EBay? There are enough goods and services to justify such a site. Leo -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Magnetic pulser
Hey Mike.since you have had a day or two to play with your Pulser, I was wondering how it was working for you?...I have you tried it on anything?..success?...Robb - Original Message - From: Peter Rebaudo reba...@pacbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: CS Magnetic pulser Peter wrote: --The capacitors were 330 VDC, 600uF, 450 VDC, 600uF Mike Wrote: --What do you mean by capacitors? I only replaced one, and that with a single component. There is one capacitor per machine. The two about mentioned caps belong to different models of commercial pulsers. Regards Perer R -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Magnetic pulser
I also was wondering more about the capacitors..the ones I have on hand are 200v 470uf is this close enough..or at least close enough to begin using it until I find something gooder?..lol..thanksRobb - Original Message - From: Peter Rebaudo reba...@pacbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:49 AM Subject: CS Magnetic pulser Peter wrote: --The capacitors were 330 VDC, 600uF, 450 VDC, 600uF Mike Wrote: --What do you mean by capacitors? I only replaced one, and that with a single component. There is one capacitor per machine. The two about mentioned caps belong to different models of commercial pulsers. Regards Perer R -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-
--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 silver-digest Digest Volume 103 : Issue 688 Today's Topics: CSEbay ban of CS Re: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CSlooking for information on silica sources Re: CSEbay ban of CS Re: CSGold wire source RE: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency Re: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency CSRe CS; Silica Re: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CSGold wire source Re: CSHelena RE: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion CSAdditives to CS production... ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:20:32 -0400 From: Frank Key fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSEbay ban of CS List members may be interested in the response from Ebay on why they ban sales of colloidal silver. Ebay considers colloidal silver to be a controlled substance the same as narcotics. frank key --- Hello Frank, Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site. Our policy regarding such items does not mention every item specifically, if this were the case then the page would be to large and most like crash most of the web browsers that try to view it. Our policy states that we do not allow Narcotics, steroids or other controlled substances. Until further notice, this product is considered a controlled substance and not permitted on our site. For more information on this policy, please view the following link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-drug.html I wish you the best with your future transactions. Regards, Sabastian rswebh...@ebay.com eBay Community Watch __ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:20:50 -0500 From: Stuff st...@laguna.com.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs Just what I was looking for. Re: scrubbing with the green thingy How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the green thingy to avoid contamination? I would think there is something better like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something that one doesn't use more than once. At 05:38 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62980.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: Stuff Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:57 Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of? Mostly water and stabilizers that depend on the application. Here's some info: 4. What are H2O2 stabilizers and will they affect my application? Most commercial grades of H2O2 contain chelants and sequestrants which minimize its decomposition under normal storage and handling conditions. In some applications (e.g., copper etching or cosmetic formulations) a high degree of stabilization is needed; whereas, in others (e.g., drinking water treatment or semiconductor manufacture) product purity is more important. For most environmental applications, H2O2 stabilization does not affect product performance. The types of stabilizers used in H2O2 vary between producers and product grades. Colloidal stannate and sodium pyrophosphate (present at 25 - 250 mg/L) are the traditional mainstays, although organophosphonates (e.g., Monsanto's Dequest products) are increasingly common. Other additives may include nitrate (for pH adjustment and corrosion inhibition) and phosphoric acid (for pH adjustment). Certain end-uses - which depend on the bleaching ability of H2O2 in alkali - utilize colloidal silicate to sequester metals and thereby minimize H2O2 decomposition. http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html#4 Incidentally, Ken posted some good information earlier on using H2O2 to clean electrodes: It's not neccesary to clean off the darkness..only remove the loose stuff. The electrode just gets darkened again very soon so scrubbing it off is pointless and you remove a lot of silver along with it that you could otherwise use. Also, scrubbing with the green thingie smooths the surface of the
