RE: CSAllergy..?? ( Was Asthma ..Update )

[Helena Hsu]

Aloha Mike D, Rob, Paula, Jack and Richard,

Thanks so much for all your kind concerns and suggestions.  I have not yet 
gone to the various web sites, as I am loathe to surf with my left 
hand.  The mouse seems to jump all over the place (lousy control using left 
hand)... LOL


Yep, things are a bit frustrating at the moment, but I am definitely 
improving.  Finally, the itch is slowly subsiding... sight of relief


You could be right, Mike, the bruising and itching might be just a herx 
reaction.  Need to wait and see.  I remember having a major herx reaction 
when I first started taking CS about 5 years ago (John Lee did warn me 
about not taking too big a dosage at first).  Came down with fever, chills, 
vomit and diarrhea for 3 or 4 days.  I thought I was dying...


Rob, thanks.  I'll get to those sites soon.  I like my terminator zapper 
very much and feel that it is helping me.  Another thing I've noticed is 
that lately I'm a lot less foggy in my brains :-}


Thanks for the offer Paula, I will experiment if it is indeed Iodine 
Allergy.  I'll wait another couple of weeks before trying those shrimps 
again and let you know my findings.  Life would be a lot less pleasurable 
for me if I have to give up seafood...


Jack, I had been taking 2 grams of Vit. C daily for a while now.  One gram 
C mixed with one gram Cranberry powder in the morning.  One gram C with one 
gram MSM powder after dinner.  I'll see if I can add another gram of C 
without exceeding bowel tolerance.


Richard, I'll be looking at your web site soon.  Yes, having CTS is a 
bummer.  I've been using computers since the '80's (remember the Radio 
Shack Trash 80..??)  I own one and fell in love with computers from that 
time on.  I'm just surprised that the CTS didn't show up till now... smiling


BTW, could someone kindly give me a URL for Potassium Hydroxide.  I would 
google myself if it wasn't for my CTS.  Thanks in advance.


Warmest Regards,
Helena



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Re: CSFalse Tyndall effect?

[Helena Hsu]

Aloha Matthew,

Hmmm your UV comment brought up an interesting thought for me.

There are on the market Ionizers with UV lights (as sold by Sharper Image  
Radio Shack) that in addition to ionizing the air, also has germ fighting 
ability.  I wonder what part of the UV range does the killing (??) of 
these germs?  Also what is the difference between these anti-germ UV Lights 
and the UV lights sold as black lights for party usage?  Aren't they in 
the same wave length..??  Or are there different UV wave lengths..??


Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Warmest Regards,
Helena


At 07:20 AM 11/22/2003, Matthew wrote:


The latter LED has some visible emission. Use it only if you know what you 
are doing! Its UV can damage eyes without it being apparent or immediately 
painful.

CSre: Migraines

[anomie]

I have found several things that are very effective!

The main reason that I dont have migraines anymore is because I got 
Myofascial Trigger Point Therapy and then did 500+ hours of training 
to become a therapist. NAMTPT web site 
http://www.myofascialtherapy.org


Follow the diet restrictions at: Natural treatment for migraine and 
depression http://www.MigrainePrevention.org this can make all the 
difference (for me the mail concern is peanuts and tomatoes). I was 
already migraine free by the time I found them, but I use the diet 
and the product in small amounts for depression. I took 
antidepressants for 20 years and now take nothing but an occasional 
supplement and avoid specific foods.


Lately I stared getting headaches (3 in about 10 days) that would not 
respond to OTC NSAID. It took me a bit but I figure that it was the 
Aspartame in the mints that I was munching on in large amounts. 
Nurtasweet is often the culprit in many misdiagnosed condition, 
headache, migraine, fibromyalgia, MS and a few others, I have heard.


I have stopped a clients 5 week long migraine with muscle work inside 
her mouth. There are MANY muscles in the neck, shoulders and head 
that cause migraine/headache. These are sometimes called tension 
headaches and will often last for days. I have been able to get rid 
of classic migraines for people also. Myofascial trigger point 
therapy, myotherapy, Neuromuscular Technique, Myofasacial release and 
if you can not find any of those, find a massage therapist that does 
trigger point. Techniques listed in order of effectiveness INHO, you 
should feel results in a treatment or 2.


Dont forget Chiropractic, this is often a big help or cure. Poor 
posture and body mechanics can cause problems, so you dont have to be 
in an accident to cause structural misalignment or/and trigger points.


In general: There are MANY VERY effective alternative therapies and 
preventions for migraines. Sadly, most of them are more work than 
many people are willing to put into their own health and so many 
people loose out and continue to use ineffective meds (only treat the 
symptom)and believe their doc that there is nothing more to do.


Let me know if I can help you after you have done some reading and 
need some answers. Best to contact me privately, I often cant keep up 
to the list.



None of this is medical advice and if your health should improve due 
to your actions after reading this information, it is not my fault.


MJ


Does anyone know of an effective, non-drug therapy for the prevention or
alleviation of chronic migraine headaches?
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Will those that wish to proclaim that something is impossible to do, please
refrain from disturbing those that are doing it.


Good health is the vital principle of bliss.

NAMTPT web site http://www.myofascialtherapy.org
Pittsburgh School of Pain Management  http://www.painschool.com
Natural treatment for migraine and depression http://www.MigrainePrevention.org
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/migrainealternatives/

Re: CSFTC actions?

[Ode Coyote]

  I'd say the blackbirds are about to leap out of the pie.  They've been
wiggling around in there for some time now, disguised as robins by various
chemical names and combinations.
 The Navy has been using glucosamine for ages and that's hitting the
spotlight pretty hard these days.

Look out Advil!

 Grass has many unseen roots...and ya gotta mow it all the time.
 Then there are turf farms who have figured out how to market something
everyone else has been trying to keep in check.
 I have some sort of grass here that I swear will grow right through a
cinder block and I didn't even plant it.  It came with the sun. Got light?
OK... GRASS!  With an attitude!

 I don't think the FDA ever tried to squelch CS.  They did and do attempt
to keep the labeling honest and wild sounding claims in chains.
 It's like a horse with blinders...Don't wander into my field of view or
you'll spook me.  But I am in a harness pulling a wagon after all.  I have
enough to do without chasing you down to pick a fight over the inevitable.

 The way the FDA is structured and funded places them in a very awkward
position where they must have eyes painted on their eyelids so they will
look like they're open when the boss is around.
 Plausable deniability is the game of the day.

..or the local moonshiner only gets busted when the BATF comes to town.
[and his cousin, the judge, slaps his hand after they leave for being so
obvious a target because he didn't move the still from the town square fast
enough]

 appearances and politics

Ode

At 04:43 PM 11/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Is Bush aware of it is the question to ask, I think.

If he is, do u think he has control?

I suspect all agencies run on their own fuel/
agenda now, i.e. they all have a life of
their own.

The Pentagon buys 3 million gallons of CS.

I'm imagine [as in suspect] the folks at the FDA are fuming.

The center cannot hold.

stuff

At 02:02 PM 11/21/2003 -0800, you wrote:
M. G. Devour   11/21/03 8:20 AM  Wrote:

  If the below is true, then we'll all be in trouble sooner or later.
  Before everyone panics, can anybody suggest a way to verify the tale
  being told by this allegedly sympathetic attorney?
***
Hi Mike,

I checked out that woman's web site,
--  she's weird.

Re the FTC threat --- I wouldn't give that
much credence.  Geo. Bush has enough
to get blamed for -- would he dare allow
something like that to add more fuel to the
fires already burning at his feet?

More fuel -- YEAH !!

For now I will regard this as just another
pretender to Urban Legend status.

Jack

Be Nice


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Re: CSRe CS:. Update re CS/H2O2 for Sinus

[filip . hoeven]

Dear Harold,

I'm very pleased to hear that you've found a way that cured your
sinusitus and that of your wife.

I recognize my own situation in yours. I'm still suffering from a
chronic nose-cold that now and then evolves into a sinusitus that
causes big headaches in my sinus area.

---
In short, my situation:
Since I was a child, each spring and autumn I was sure to have a
cold that started in the nose and ended in the lungs. Each time
treated with antibiotics (the first thing that doctors give out here in
Belgium, I believe they think it's candy). If that doesn't do it, you get
a treatment with cortisones. At the age of 21, I got it bad and after 2
series of antibiotics, and 1 stronger antibiotic (all in about 1 month time)
they wanted to start me with cortisones. I was already so sick because
of the antibiotics (stomach problems), so I decided to try a homeopath
that was also a medical doctor. For about 5 years
I did not have a real bad sinusitus but during that 5 years I was having
a minor nose-cold the whole year through.
I was almost accepting the fact that I regularly scratched my throath to
remove the slimes.
Until early this year when I had a bad sinusitus and I really asked to
give me the normal, non-alternative treatment. That helped. I went
again to a specialist because I really wanted to make and end to this
continous nose-cold. He told me I just needed to take the cortisones
when I get a sinusitus. After explicitly saying that cortisones are
unhealthy,
he said it wasn't harmful according to him if I only needed it once or twice
for a short period each year. When you fall and have your knee open, the
body generates even more cortisones by itself was the answer. Nothing
else could be done...
I guess you could call this the Drs would not even talk about it
eventually
as in your case.
---

How long did it take you to get cured?
Where there side effects?
Are you totally cured now?
What do the :MSM, Xylitol and H2O2 add instead of using the CS solely?

Kind regards,
Filip

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From: Harold MacDonald har...@direct.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:29 AM
Subject: CSRe CS:. Update re CS/H2O2 for Sinus


 I have found this mix to be very effective for severe chronic Sinusitus in
 treating two cases.
 I mix 50 ml of CS with 500 mgs of MSM,500 mgs of Xylitol powder plus [30]
 thirty drops of 3% H2O2.This mixture is put into a nasal pump mister and
up
 to 15 pumps into each nostril and sniffing while blocking the other
 nostril.After each nostril is treated,the head should be held at a lower
 elevation so that the mix can run into the sinus cavities.This protocol
 should be used the same way that ABXs are used, for a long enough
time[even
 if the symptoms seem to be gone] to make sure the good results remain.
 This has proven to be very good for this particular case;approx. 10 years
 ago broad spectrum ABXs were given to try to cure a long standing sinus
 problem;the first try did no good,so a second and a third were tried.This
 was of no avail and all that happened was that all the Good flora in the
gut
 was destroyed which led to many years of gastro-intestinal distress,with
all
 the attendant problems.
 This sinus problem escalated into a miserable problem and the Drs would
not
 even talk about it eventually.Then to add insult to injury,this sinus
 problem ,which can be contagious,was transmitted to the spouse.The above
 treatment has been the only thing that has alleviated this misery in many
a
 year.
 AND; if you have guessed this couple has been  my wife and me,you are
 correct.
 Harold


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Re: CSPurple CS

[Ode Coyote]

 Gallons and gallons for a long time along with various vitamin and mineral unbalances could present a problem.
I think the stats for argyria in silver workers who inhale large particles all day long 5 days a week for years on end...which incidently pass through the blood stream and are eliminated in the feces by 94% in 48 hours...show that only one in a thousand ever 'develop' a problem. [pun?]
That study did not make a link with unbalanced mineral and vitamin levels.
I don't remember which study that was for silver workers but it came from a link on Rosemary the blue ladies site.  
I do have the reference for the elimination rate study. [It was for monkeys and dogs but should hold for humans as well]

So, purple CS?  It probably won't hurt you, but it's way easy to water a plant with it and make new.
H2O2 generally will clear it up..but YUK!  Gag.

Ode

At 09:54 PM 11/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: 

This brings to mind another question.  Should I be worried about these bigger particles to be consuming myself?  
  
Debbie
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From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote 
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Purple CS


Purple indicates some pretty big particles...but there's also probably many smaller ones there too.
Worst case, it's not as effective and the dog might turn blue if he drinks gallons and gallons of it.
But who could tell?
Do you shave and show?

Ode

At 10:44 AM 11/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: 

Ode - if it is purple is it any less effective? 

Debbie
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From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote 
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Dog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies?

Give it to the dog straight up and no more that it'll drink at the  time.
The dogs saliva will cause the CS to turn purple if left in the bowl.

Ode

At 12:30 PM 11/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: 

Richard, I am going to ask what I hope is not a dumb question regarding CS in the dog's water dish.

Do you add it to the tap water you put in the dish or just use distilled water in the dog's dish with CS added? What is the best way to give it to the dog?

Thanks
Debbie
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From: mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com>Richard Harris 
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com>Richard Harris 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Dog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies?

Steve  Chuck,
I didn't see that you recommended putting CS into the dog's water bowl regularly, which will add to the atomizing--please do, your dog will thank you.
I'm happy to hear of your good results.
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
-Original Message-
From: Chuck [mailto:geote...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:38 PM
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Dog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies?



Steve,



Yes, CS will work very well in cases of periodontal disease. I work very closely with a Veterinarian using CS on a variety of animal ailments, infections and diseases. A 13 year-old poodle was brought in recently that had severe periodontal disease where some teeth had already rotted and fallen out and many teeth that remained could be remove by hand. Needless to say it was difficult getting within 10 feet of the dog cause of the odor. Since the dog was older and was generally in bad shape, he also had tracheal bronchitis and arthritis, the Vet decided to treat with CS. 



The Veterinarian removed a number of teeth that were infected (can’t remember the exact number) then treated the mouth directly with 25 ppm ionic CS, washing the mouth completely a few times, and then spraying the mouth with CS using an atomizer every hour or two. After six hours there was a marked difference in the dogs gums and most of the odor was gone. The owner continued to spray the dogs mouth 5 or 6 times a day with the atomizer ever since. It has been about a month and the dog has had a near complete recovery with the gums repairing themselves very nicely. In addition, the dog’s coughing has almost completely ceased and the owner reports that the dog in general is much more active and said that basically he has a “new” dog!! We are still amazed at the difference that CS made in this case considering that no antibiotics were used to assist in the recovery of the dog’s gums.



We think the atomizer is the key (as we have found in many treatments), a suggestion would be to spray your dog’s mouth with 25 ppm ionic CS at least 5 to 6 times each day, especially when you first start out. With the atomizer the dog will get a small volume of CS, but you will maximize the coverage of the gums allowing the silver ions to do their thing. It would be a good idea to get the dog to 

Re: CSSilvergen SG7

[colloidal . silver]

Hi Simon :)

These generators are very common sense. I have one too, and it makes the best 
C.S. of any system I've had the chance to examine. It's maintenance free, and 
can make so much C.S.,
that you could litterally put down the plague in a medium sized town with it. 
What you have is not just a simple cs. generator, it's 
a poste-9-11 - terrorism survival tool.

Regards,
Al

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Heywood 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:21 PM
  Subject: CSSilvergen SG7


  I Have just finished making my first 5 gallon batch of Colloidal Silver using 
Trems SG7 Pro.  The hole production only took 2hrs, which has resulted in a 
very high Ionic CS.  First impressions are that this is a great generator.

  Simon  (Downunder)





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CSwarning letters

[Ode Coyote]

 Apparently a suggestion is seen as a command.
Key word Intention as in communicating an intention.

Interesting work around

Colloidal Silver - SilvaSolution br>Enhanced Liquid Pro 50 - 4 fl. oz.Colloidal Silver - SilvaSolution
Enhanced Liquid Pro 50 - 4 fl. oz.padColloidal Silver Enhanced Liquid Provides: Strong immune, ear, sinus, throat and lung support for the winter season. Great for rashes, minor cuts and sores, even athletes' foot and jock itch and Yeast.

I suppose 'support' is not an act and doesn't convey intent.
Go figger!

www.healthychristianliving.com

No sign of medical claims or suggestive language.
Looks like pretty good CS too.

We do NOT add anything, not even chemical electro-catalyst (salt, baking soda, etc) which most manufacturers of some other Colloidal Silvers use. FDA has deemed these products unsafe due to the larger particle size and their possible inability to be transported through the body effectively, in addition to the fact that silver chlorides may form in the body after time of using these.

I wasn't aware that the FDA gave any reasoning or deemed anything at all...just, evidence that it doesn't accept isn't evidence and an 'implied' reasoning [saying something without saying something] that if it's not deemed safe and effective , it's automatically unsafe and ineffective.

I dunno, the ad copy sounds a little twisted source-wise but not particularly untrue.

Ode

May 7, 2003

WARNING LETTER
VIA OVERNIGHT DELIVERY

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http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g3979d.htm

Under the Act, articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment or prevention of disease in man are drugs [Section 201(g)(1)(B) of the Act]. Your web site claims that your product is useful in the treatment and prevention of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS). The labeling of your product bears the following claims:

it is possible that Colloidal Silver may kill or aid in the treatment of SARS... antiviral, fungal, and bacterial properties of colloidal silver would assist in boosting the immune and thereby reducing the chances of infection regardless of the genesis of the microbe at work. ... we should be taking every precaution possible to prevent the transmission of this unidentified outbreak.. .My suggestion therefore would be the following: .., Taking HCL Colloidal Silver daily...

These claims cause your product to be a drug, as defined in section 201(g)(1)(B) of the Act. Because this product is not generally recognized as safe and effective when used as labeled, it is also a new drug as defined in section 201 (p) of the Act. Under section 505 of the Act, a new drug may not be legally marketed in the United States without an approved New Drug Application (NDA). These drugs are also misbranded within the meaning of section 502(a) of the Act because their labeling is false and misleading in that it suggests that these drugs are effective for the prevention and treatment of SARS, when, in fact, these claims are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. These drugs are also misbranded within the meaning of section 502(f)(1) of the Act, in that the labeling for these drugs fails to bear adequate directions for use.

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CSFalse Tyndall effect

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hello, Helen!

Ultraviolet wavelenghts do come in
three bands, ranging in wavelength
from 400 nanometers to 200 nanometers.

The longest wavelengths are from
320 to 400 nanometers. This is
called the UV-A band. UV-A is
relatively benign. It helps to form
Vitamin D and the melanin that
causes suntans. 
UV-A is what is commonly called
black light. It is the type produced
by the LED mentioned in the
earlier posting. But our eyes should
not be exposed unnecessarily to
UV-A. The main hazard of UV-A is
that the irises of our eyes will not
protect us by closing down, as they
would when exposed to naturally-
occurring UV in direct sunlight. The
result can be permanent eye damage.

The intermediate wavelengths range
from 290 to 320 nanometers. This is
the UV-B range. It damages the skin,
causing it to get red and resulting in
sunburns. Several bad sunburns in
childhood increase the chances
skin cancer later in life.UV-B also
damages the eyes.

The shortest wavelengths range from
200 to 290 nanometers. This is the
UV-C band. We have natural protection
from solar UV-C provided by the upper
atmosphere. Attrnuation is nearly
complete at an elevation of 30 kilometers
above the surface of the earth.
Artificially generated UV-C is a
very useful form of electromagnetic
radiation, if it is properly shielded.
The midrange UV-C wavelength of
254 nanometers is optimal for
sterilizing a wide variety of materials.
UV-C at around 254 nanometers
quickly destroys any microorganism
exposed to it. Human beings, of course,
should not be exposed needlessly
to UV-C.

Best wishes,

Matthew 

CStest

[walt]

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CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

[Harold MacDonald]

In my previous post I did not mean to imply that the sinusitus was cured,but
is under good control.To effect a complete cure I believe this will be a
long term protocol.
Xylitol is not a bactiricide/germicide,but has the effect of making cells
and tissues so slippery that the pathogens[whatever they are] are unable to
stay attached;and are consequently washed away.When they are loosened[as
mucous] then the CS and H202 can get at and destroy them.The MSM among other
things is a mild pain killer and helps to ease the sinus pain.
My attempts in the past at using just straight CS had limited effect on the
sinus. This protocol may have been helped with us chewing Xylitol gum after
each meal also.
I hope this helps.
Harold


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Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

[Tel Tofflemire]

I have been adding Xylitol  powder to my nose spray all summer, it 
really works for me,  I got the idea when I seen the nose spray 
advertised on the Xylitol order page and they added vitiman C to 
preserve it, I wondered if CS would do the same...It did, and I also add 
Emu oil (a few drops) and some pure alovera juce ( grow it yourself)  I 
have tried a coulpe drops of lougo's Iodine as well it seems to speed 
the relief some? (test to make sure your not allergic to iodine first)  
This is my experment for myself, your free to experment yourself, but I 
do not recomend anything, except to kiss the FDA's Butt.
After all they were handed Xylitol back in 1974, but failed to recomend 
it, Xylitol is the # one sweener in Europe today, as it has only 2 
calories and 0 carbs per tea spoon...I love it ! Check it out on your own.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=+XylitolbtnG=Google+Search
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey AZ


Harold MacDonald wrote:


In my previous post I did not mean to imply that the sinusitus was cured,but
is under good control.To effect a complete cure I believe this will be a
long term protocol.
Xylitol is not a bactiricide/germicide,but has the effect of making cells
and tissues so slippery that the pathogens[whatever they are] are unable to
stay attached;and are consequently washed away.When they are loosened[as
mucous] then the CS and H202 can get at and destroy them.The MSM among other
things is a mild pain killer and helps to ease the sinus pain.
My attempts in the past at using just straight CS had limited effect on the
sinus. This protocol may have been helped with us chewing Xylitol gum after
each meal also.
I hope this helps.
Harold


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CSRe CS:. Update re CS/H2O2 for Sinus

[daddybob]

Thanks for that post. My history of Chronic Sinusitis
is very similar to yours, and I too think I passed it
to my wife. She's never been prone to have it as bad
as I was, but she still has some of it, at least
partly because she has not gone to the extremes I have
to get rid of it. We have long used CS  MSM as a
nasal spray, but your formula is something I'm going
to try for her. The addition of Xylitol- how did you
think of that? Was that original with you? I know it's
proven to reduce oral plaque and decay. Does its
sweetness make this any more pleasant to inhale?
Thanks, Daddybob  

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Re: CSRE: Question about source for Lignisul MSM

[bob smith]

RE: Question about source for Lignisul MSMCheck AmeriHerb's prices.   MSM is 
$8.30 a #  Vs. 2 for $19.99.  They carry every herb you could want. Their Phone 
# is  1-800-267-6141.





  - Original Message - 
  From: Al Riley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:02 PM
  Subject: CSRE: Question about source for Lignisul MSM




  Hello Kim!! 
  You asked about where to get good Lignisul MSM.  The best place I have found 
is http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/ 
  The Owner of the company, James, is one of the great past contributors to the 
Silver List.  Check it out.  If you call him, say hello for me.

  Al Riley 

Re: CSwarning letters

[Hank]

it is possible that Colloidal Silver may kill or aid in the treatment of 
SARS...

This doesn't say it will.

Sincerely Yours,
Hank
  Radarmatrix
http://www.radarmatrix.com
  Songs
http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
  Chemtrails
http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:34 AM
  Subject: CSwarning letters


  Apparently a suggestion is seen as a command.
  Key word Intention as in communicating an intention.

  Interesting work around

  Colloidal Silver - SilvaSolution brEnhanced Liquid Pro 50 - 4 fl. 
oz.Colloidal Silver - SilvaSolution
  Enhanced Liquid Pro 50 - 4 fl. oz.padColloidal Silver Enhanced Liquid 
Provides: Strong immune, ear, sinus, throat and lung support for the winter 
season. Great for rashes, minor cuts and sores, even athletes' foot and jock 
itch and Yeast.

  I suppose 'support' is not an act and doesn't convey intent.
  Go figger!

  www.healthychristianliving.com

  No sign of medical claims or suggestive language.
  Looks like pretty good CS too.

  We do NOT add anything, not even chemical electro-catalyst (salt, baking 
soda, etc) which most manufacturers of some other Colloidal Silvers use. FDA 
has deemed these products unsafe due to the larger particle size and their 
possible inability to be transported through the body effectively, in addition 
to the fact that silver chlorides may form in the body after time of using 
these.

  I wasn't aware that the FDA gave any reasoning or deemed anything at 
all...just, evidence that it doesn't accept isn't evidence and an 'implied' 
reasoning [saying something without saying something] that if it's not deemed 
safe and effective , it's automatically unsafe and ineffective.

  I dunno, the ad copy sounds a little twisted source-wise but not particularly 
untrue.

  Ode

  May 7, 2003

  WARNING LETTER
  VIA OVERNIGHT DELIVERY

  Healthy Christian Living
  395 Timber Ridge Drive
  Staten Island, NY 10306


  http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g3979d.htm

  Under the Act, articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, 
treatment or prevention of disease in man are drugs [Section 201(g)(1)(B) of 
the Act]. Your web site claims that your product is useful in the treatment and 
prevention of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS). The labeling of your 
product bears the following claims:

  it is possible that Colloidal Silver may kill or aid in the treatment of 
SARS... antiviral, fungal, and bacterial properties of colloidal silver would 
assist in boosting the immune and thereby reducing the chances of infection 
regardless of the genesis of the microbe at work. ... we should be taking 
every precaution possible to prevent the transmission of this unidentified 
outbreak.. .My suggestion therefore would be the following: .., Taking HCL 
Colloidal Silver daily...

  These claims cause your product to be a drug, as defined in section 
201(g)(1)(B) of the Act. Because this product is not generally recognized as 
safe and effective when used as labeled, it is also a new drug as defined in 
section 201 (p) of the Act. Under section 505 of the Act, a new drug may not be 
legally marketed in the United States without an approved New Drug Application 
(NDA). These drugs are also misbranded within the meaning of section 502(a) of 
the Act because their labeling is false and misleading in that it suggests that 
these drugs are effective for the prevention and treatment of SARS, when, in 
fact, these claims are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. These 
drugs are also misbranded within the meaning of section 502(f)(1) of the Act, 
in that the labeling for these drugs fails to bear adequate directions for use.

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Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

[Delmont Neroni]

In addition to using CS drips and/or spray, an indispensable therapeutic
tool
for dealing with chronic sinus problems is the Grossan sinus irrigator.
There is nothing else that I am aware of that does what this does.  We use
it with the Grossan Breathe*easeXL which is very effective. You can purchase
a full system from the Grossan website (www.grossan.com), or you can just
buy the Grossan nasal tip and use it with a standard water pik.  The web
site has a ton of good information on drug-free treatment of the sinus.

Another very useful item is the Nutra-Biotic saline nasal spray containing
1% GSE.  Used in conjunction with CS and the Grossan irrigator, and you can
successfully treat chronic sinus problems without drugs.




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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #921

[HelenW8262]

In a message dated 11/23/2003 11:55:42 AM Central Standard Time, 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes:
--  she's weird.

Re the FTC threat --- I wouldn't give that
much credence.  Geo. Bush has enough
to get blamed for -- would he dare allow
something like that to add more fuel to the
fires already burning at his feet?

More fuel -- YEAH !!

For now I will regard this as just another
pretender to Urban Legend status.

Jack

Be Nice
You Be Nice, Jack.   

CSdisclaimer?

[william meyer]

hi ode
this disclaimer of yours is just a little too much tho i see your
satire and humor.

the truth is the med/fed/corporation consortium is
way beyond their place in attacking different information.
who told us that only people certified by the ama or whatever
are the only people who can offer information on treating
a condition?
at some point you have to call a spade a spade. i have the right
to think and diseminate information that i believe may be helpful.

i believe that there are issues today that have grown big enough
that we need to seriously consider our place in relation to
those powers that seek to govern us.

i believe men and woman of good will are required to say
no if they clearly see a law as unjust.

that's all i will say on this topic.

 In big bold black letters, taking up the entire top of the page so 
as not to be possibly missed, place a disclaimer such as:


 I am not a doctor and am, therefore, not qualified to give medical advise.
All communication is, therefore, hearsay and opinion from people who 
also may not be qualified.
 I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else, but it should not be 
taken as anything BUT My opinion along with the added condition 
that I am not qualified to have an opinion that's to be taken the 
least bit seriously.

 You wouldn't take advise from the village idiot, now would you?
 But you just might use something the village idiot said to form 
YOUR OWN OPINION.
 I say ONLY what I think and do and repeat what I have HEARD 
that OTHERS [qualified or not] think and do. I am NOT making any 
distiction between them.

  ASSUME THAT I AND EVERYONE HERE IS ENTIRELY IGNORANT.
 BY NO MEANS should ANYTHING be taken as what YOU should think or do.

 YOU ARE ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS IN YOUR HEAD.
 IT IS NOT AND NEVER WAS MY INTENTION TO PUT ANYTHING, AT ALL, THERE.
 IF YOU WANT ADVISE, GO ASK SOMEONE WHO IS QUALIFIED TO GIVE IT.
 I WANT THIS TO BE VERY VERY CLEAR
  THAT PERSON IS NOT ME OR ANYONE I KNOW OR ANYONE I COMMUNICATE WITH.

Then be careful to use disqualifiers such as I heard or I believe.




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CSOT.. Health Care Cost Ploy..OT

[larry tankersley]

Dear list... nice to be back on the silver list after a month on the
road.
 Thought I'd share my recent experience dealing with double inguinal
hernia's that had been devilling me for a couple of years. 
  While this approach may not be for some it sure fit the bill for
me not having health insurance other than what is left of VA coverage
since congress gutted it,... but that's another story as well as past
experience having taught me to stay away from the VA.  
  Bottom line for me is about cost and expertise.
  In Gainesville the best price for a similar procedure was 7,000 USD.
In Florida best price was 4,600 USD. 
  My choice was to have the patch job done in London UK for 3,000
USD at a private clinic that does more hernia operations than anywhere
else in the world, with lowest failure rate,local anesthetic, takes less
than an hour and you're out the door a hour later with a life time
guarantee. Still a lot of money compared to my wage scale,but beats the
alternatives. 
  The evening,after the operation, I must have walked 5 or more
miles with only mild pain which was gone after a couple of days. I kept
the bandages wet with CS for a few days. 
  So, with less money I hung out in London for two weeks, [ two
weeks by choice but ,they do request that you stay a week ], and came
home with me gut's staying in, and better than 99.%  chance that me
gut stays put... 
  Perhaps my hernia 'trip' will be of value to some other poor
bastard caught in middle class with no health insurance.
  That said and, generally speaking, London is expensive ...perhaps
a average 50% more than in U.S still you can live on the cheap, as I
did. 
  Best deal I came up with was right at Hyde Park ,a choice
location. Six bunk room was about 20USD per day, with communal kitchen /
TV room, and cereal and toast for breakfast.. Plus a Smoking room with
treats from Amsterdummy [Amsterdam] being shared with fellow travelers
from around the sphere !! this Hostle has no affiliation with the
British Hernia Center... my choice.  
  CHEERS 
   



larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA


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Re: CSdisclaimer?

[Jason Eaton]

Hi William:

You haven't seen our disclaimer have you?

Best Regards,

Jason
silvermedicine.org

- Original Message -
From: william meyer calis...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: CSdisclaimer?


 hi ode
 this disclaimer of yours is just a little too much tho i see your
 satire and humor.

 the truth is the med/fed/corporation consortium is
 way beyond their place in attacking different information.
 who told us that only people certified by the ama or whatever
 are the only people who can offer information on treating
 a condition?
 at some point you have to call a spade a spade. i have the right
 to think and diseminate information that i believe may be helpful.

 i believe that there are issues today that have grown big enough
 that we need to seriously consider our place in relation to
 those powers that seek to govern us.

 i believe men and woman of good will are required to say
 no if they clearly see a law as unjust.

 that's all i will say on this topic.

   In big bold black letters, taking up the entire top of the page so
 as not to be possibly missed, place a disclaimer such as:
 
   I am not a doctor and am, therefore, not qualified to give medical
advise.
 All communication is, therefore, hearsay and opinion from people who
 also may not be qualified.
   I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else, but it should not be
 taken as anything BUT My opinion along with the added condition
 that I am not qualified to have an opinion that's to be taken the
 least bit seriously.
   You wouldn't take advise from the village idiot, now would you?
   But you just might use something the village idiot said to form
 YOUR OWN OPINION.
   I say ONLY what I think and do and repeat what I have HEARD
 that OTHERS [qualified or not] think and do. I am NOT making any
 distiction between them.
ASSUME THAT I AND EVERYONE HERE IS ENTIRELY IGNORANT.
   BY NO MEANS should ANYTHING be taken as what YOU should think or do.
 
   YOU ARE ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS IN YOUR HEAD.
   IT IS NOT AND NEVER WAS MY INTENTION TO PUT ANYTHING, AT ALL, THERE.
   IF YOU WANT ADVISE, GO ASK SOMEONE WHO IS QUALIFIED TO GIVE IT.
   I WANT THIS TO BE VERY VERY CLEAR
THAT PERSON IS NOT ME OR ANYONE I KNOW OR ANYONE I COMMUNICATE WITH.
 
 Then be careful to use disqualifiers such as I heard or I believe.
 


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Re: CSFDA Enforcement Activities

[Carol Kehoe]

Found this on the site...

· SARS: FDA and FTC concurrent action
On May 9, 2003, FDA and FTC warned Website operators, manufacturers and
distributors to remove misleading or deceptive Internet claims that their
products may prevent, treat or cure Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome
(SARS). A net surf conducted by FTC, FDA and the Ontario Consumer and
Business Services, found over 40 sites promoting a variety of SARS treatment
and/or prevention products. The products include dietary supplements
containing ingredients such as colloidal silver, ascorbic acid, beta glucan,
pycnogenol, and oregano oil.

FDA sent warning letters to eight firms promoting dietary supplement
products to treat or prevent SARS on the Internet. FTC also notified
violative firms that they were subject to possible civil or criminal actions
under the Federal Trade Commission Act. FDA is following up to determine if
the firms have taken appropriate corrective action.

· Seasilver: FDA and FTC took concurrent actions
On June 17, 2003, United States Marshals seized 132,480 bottles of
Seasilver, worth nearly $5.3 million from Seasilver USA's San Diego
headquarters in an action initiated by FDA. The complaint for seizure
alleged that, although Seasilver USA markets Seasilver as a dietary
supplement, it promotes it on the Internet and in marketing materials sent
with the product as a treatment for serious diseases including cancer,
diabetes, hypoglycemia, psoriasis, hepatitis, and arthritis. On June 25,
2003, the US Marshals seized an additional 1.7 million dollars worth of
Seasilver from a distribution center in Parma, OH.

In response to an FTC request, the federal district court in the Southern
District of California issued on June 13, 2003 a temporary restraining order
prohibiting Seasilver USA, Americaloe Inc., and principals in the companies
from making the challenged claims, and froze their assets. FTC is seeking
preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, including restitution to
consumers who purchased the product.

Looks like the FDA and FTC are hooking up.

C. Kehoe

- Original Message - 
From: jrowl...@nctimes.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:31 AM
Subject: CSFDA Enforcement Activities


 Here's a log of what they've been up to lately:
 http://www.fda.gov/oc/enforcement.html
 jr


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Re: CSPurple CS

[kittykat]

My concern is not for an occasional batch, as the dogs water with CS in it, or 
only CS in the bowl has consistently turned purple, as this has been going on 
since summer.  Could there be something wrong with my Silver Puppy generator?  
This might be a sign of consistent large particles, which I assume is not the 
best.

Debbie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: CSPurple CS


  Gallons and gallons for a long time along with various vitamin and mineral 
unbalances could present a problem.
  I think the stats for argyria in silver workers who inhale large particles 
all day long 5 days a week for years on end...which incidently pass through the 
blood stream and are eliminated in the feces by 94% in 48 hours...show that 
only one in a thousand ever 'develop' a problem. [pun?]
  That study did not make a link with unbalanced mineral and vitamin levels.
  I don't remember which study that was for silver workers but it came from a 
link on Rosemary the blue ladies site. 
  I do have the reference for the elimination rate study. [It was for monkeys 
and dogs but should hold for humans as well]

  So, purple CS? It probably won't hurt you, but it's way easy to water a plant 
with it and make new.
  H2O2 generally will clear it up..but YUK! Gag.

  Ode

  At 09:54 PM 11/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: 
  

This brings to mind another question. Should I be worried about these 
bigger particles to be consuming myself? 

Debbie

  - Original Message - 
  From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.netOde Coyote 
  To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: CSPurple CS

  Purple indicates some pretty big particles...but there's also probably 
many smaller ones there too.
  Worst case, it's not as effective and the dog might turn blue if he 
drinks gallons and gallons of it.
  But who could tell?
  Do you shave and show?

  Ode

  At 10:44 AM 11/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: 
  

Ode - if it is purple is it any less effective? 

Debbie

  - Original Message - 
  From: mailto:coyote...@earthlink.netOde Coyote 
  To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:10 AM
  Subject: Re: CSDog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet testimonies?

  Give it to the dog straight up and no more that it'll drink at the 
time.
  The dogs saliva will cause the CS to turn purple if left in the bowl.

  Ode

  At 12:30 PM 11/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: 
  

Richard, I am going to ask what I hope is not a dumb question 
regarding CS in the dog's water dish.

Do you add it to the tap water you put in the dish or just use 
distilled water in the dog's dish with CS added? What is the best way to give 
it to the dog?

Thanks
Debbie

  - Original Message - 
  From: mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.comRichard Harris 
  To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com 
  Cc: mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.comRichard Harris 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:52 PM
  Subject: RE: CSDog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet 
testimonies?

  Steve  Chuck,
  I didn't see that you recommended putting CS into the dog's water 
bowl regularly, which will add to the atomizing--please do, your dog will thank 
you.
  I'm happy to hear of your good results.
  Sincerely,
  Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist


-Original Message-
From: Chuck [mailto:geote...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:38 PM
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSDog with teeth and gum infections, CS pet 
testimonies?



Steve,



Yes, CS will work very well in cases of periodontal disease. I 
work very closely with a Veterinarian using CS on a variety of animal ailments, 
infections and diseases. A 13 year-old poodle was brought in recently that had 
severe periodontal disease where some teeth had already rotted and fallen out 
and many teeth that remained could be remove by hand. Needless to say it was 
difficult getting within 10 feet of the dog cause of the odor. Since the dog 
was older and was generally in bad shape, he also had tracheal bronchitis and 
arthritis, the Vet decided to treat with CS. 



The Veterinarian removed a number of teeth that were infected 
(can't remember the exact number) then treated the mouth directly with 25 ppm 
ionic CS, washing the mouth completely a few times, and then spraying the mouth 
with CS using an atomizer every hour or two. 

CSCS:.re Xylitol nasal spray cocoction

[Harold MacDonald]

I decided to try Xylitol in the spray after reading some extensive info re
its' properties like the small quantities in cranberry juice used for the
treatment of yeast infections,and it works.I reasoned that it should do the
same for sinus infection as the sinuses usually are plugged with thick
mucous and it would take something different to loosen it.In the past I
tried heavy salt and water irrigation to little effect.The Drs prescripts
did absolutely nothing except cost.I also added the H2O2 as another barrel
in the gun,as this infection could be either a bacteria,a yeast or a
fungus,or any combination or all three.This way I've got all bases
covered,and  so far it is working.
It is startling how much thick mucous comes out after the first number of
treatments,and the mix is not unpleasant to take.
Harold


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Re: CSDog with hot spot infection

[Brickeyk]

My Golden Ret. pup developed a skin infection with a real foul odor.  
Christmas tree customers said it is called hot spot.  I applied coconut oil, CS 
with 
DMSO, and rubbed it in, and sprayed CS into his mouth.  He lost several 
patches of his coat but new hair is coming out.  The foul smell is practically 
gone.

Has anyone else tried to treat hot spot?

Update on my own CS use.
I have been using the nasal irrigator (Grossan) for about 3 weeks and follow 
each irrigation with about 70 ml of CS, DMSO, MSM and GSE.  My sinus is still 
draining but appears to be getting better.  I have used the device as much as 
4 times per day.
Yearly dentist inspection came up with no cavities.  I take at least 2 ounces 
CS per day and hold for at least 3 minutes.
Eye DR saw small cataracts still even with me using CS + DMSO eye drops daily.
Brickey

Re: CSdisclaimer?

[william meyer]

hi jason
i just did view your inspiring disclaimer.
I am very very greatful for your tremendous work on the site
and i support you without reservation.



Hi William:

You haven't seen our disclaimer have you?

Best Regards,

Jason
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CSCS Creams

[Simon Heywood]

Has anyone had any past experience using CS creams, as I notice more and more are becoming available here in Australia
Simon(Down Under)Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics.  Click here 


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Re: CSPurple CS

[silversurfer1952 .]

Hi Debbie,

I have the same generator as you.  The first, maiden batch was clear but 
the subsequent two batches turned distinctly yellow.  The last two batches I 
started with warmed-up water which shortened the brew time to under 90 
minutes (for 8 oz) and the results have been clear CS.


Elle


From: kittykat kittyka...@foxvalley.net
My concern is not for an occasional batch, as the dogs water with CS in it, 
or only CS in the bowl has consistently turned purple, as this has been 
going on since summer.  Could there be something wrong with my Silver Puppy 
generator?  This might be a sign of consistent large particles, which I 
assume is not the best.


Debbie


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