CSLatest Pictures

2003-12-24 Thread Wayne Fugitt


  I have added two or three pictures.  These may be the last one until 
next week


  All of the pictures are at. :  http://www.fugitt.com/files/spid1211/

This is one of the latest  http://www.fugitt.com/files/spid1211/spid1220c.jpg

and the last one  made yesterday. 
http://www.fugitt.com/files/spid1211/spid1223c.jpg



Here is another collection I added showing the damage to the hand.

 www.fugitt.com/bspider2


Re: CSLatest Pictures

2003-12-24 Thread Dan Nave

Wayne, that hand is gastly.  This is the first I heard of it.
I thought you only got bit on the leg.

Did you also use the high voltage on the hand?

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Dan








CSLatest Pictures

* From: Wayne Fugitt
* Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:36:56

Here is another collection I added showing the damage to the
hand.


 www.fugitt.com/bspider2


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CSOT: Pharmacy question

2003-12-24 Thread silversurfer1952 .
I have a 500 ml bottle of Lugol's Solution (5% w/v Iodine) that shows an 
expiry date of May 2004.


The bottle is still essentially full and no way will I be using it up before 
then ;-)  Currently, I'm taking 3 drops a day for low thyroid function.  My 
question is how long past the expiry date will Lugol's Solution keep?


Happy Holidays to you all,
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Re: CSLatest Pictures

2003-12-24 Thread silversurfer1952 .

Oh Wayne, my goodness.  I wish you a speedy recovery too.

Elle



CSLatest Pictures

* From: Wayne Fugitt
* Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:36:56

Here is another collection I added showing the damage to the
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RE: CSOT: Pharmacy question

2003-12-24 Thread Richard Harris
Hi Elle,
As long as it is stored properly and looks the same, I'd use my own good
judgment and continue taking my 3 drops a day.
Merry Christmas  Happy New Year!

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Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT: Pharmacy question


I have a 500 ml bottle of Lugol's Solution (5% w/v Iodine) that shows an
expiry date of May 2004.

The bottle is still essentially full and no way will I be using it up before
then ;-)  Currently, I'm taking 3 drops a day for low thyroid function.  My
question is how long past the expiry date will Lugol's Solution keep?

Happy Holidays to you all,
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Re: CSNeed Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings

2003-12-24 Thread Charles Sutton
Damn!  I deleted all the need engineering help emails

- Original Message - 
From: Rowena Evans rowenaev...@iprimus.com.au
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: CSNeed Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings


 People, dear people - please don't forget your subject headings - the
 most interesting snake bite/ spiderbite / antivenene electro treatment
 correspondence is taking place under Need engineering help - can you
 think on at least to add to if not change the subject line completely
 so we can refer more easily to the fascinating info and people can
 find it in the archives in due course?
 Thanks
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Re: CSLatest Pictures

2003-12-24 Thread d.linen

http://www.drugtopics.com/be_core/content/journals/d/data/2003/0317/dhpboil03b.html

There is something called MRSA which begins by looking like a spider 
bite and turns into something horrible. The photos I've seen look a lot 
like your bite. It's been seen a lot in locker room situations.



DL

Dan Nave wrote:


Wayne, that hand is gastly.  This is the first I heard of it.
I thought you only got bit on the leg.

Did you also use the high voltage on the hand?

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Dan








CSLatest Pictures

* From: Wayne Fugitt
* Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:36:56

Here is another collection I added showing the damage to the
hand.


 www.fugitt.com/bspider2


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Re: CSLatest Pictures

2003-12-24 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Evening Dan,

At 02:10 PM 12/24/03 -0600, you wrote:

Wayne, that hand is gastly.  This is the first I heard of it.
I thought you only got bit on the leg.


  That is not my hand.  Sorry I did not make that clear.

  I have not been playing in a den of spiders. grin

  This is just a collection of pictures.

  I am still trying to collect all the information I can about this.

  Wayne


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CSPublic disclosure of patentable products/services

2003-12-24 Thread Matthew McCann PE
Happy Holidays, Jonathan.

There is a lot to be said in favor of
public disclosure without pursuing
patents. Professor Keyton, author of
Keyton on Patents, points out the
modern economic realities of
protecting patent rights after the
patent is issued. Unless the invention
is lucrative almost immediately, it
just isn't worth the aggravation.
Assigning it to a large corporation
with a staff of legal counsel skilled at
defending and/or trading patents is
often the way to gain the most from
a good invention.

It needs to be noted that the great
radio pioneer Armstrong met a tragic
end, partly because he didn't see this
modern logic.

Best wishes,

Matthew

Re: CSLatest Pictures

2003-12-24 Thread d.linen



Wayne Fugitt wrote:


Evening Dan,

At 02:10 PM 12/24/03 -0600, you wrote:


Wayne, that hand is gastly.  This is the first I heard of it.
I thought you only got bit on the leg.



  That is not my hand.  Sorry I did not make that clear.

  I have not been playing in a den of spiders. grin

  This is just a collection of pictures.

  I am still trying to collect all the information I can about this.

  Wayne



Wow! I am s glad it's not your hand. I feel awful for the poor guy 
it does belong to though.  I saw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and 
how it looks initially like a spider bite and then the flesh is 
destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv liked like the photo of your leg.


DL





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CSMRSA or Spider Bite?

2003-12-24 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Evening DL,

  I read your message again.  Seems I missed the most important point the 
first time I read it.


aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially like a 
spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv 
liked like the photo of your leg.


  So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite?   This might be the 
most important question of all.


If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any?

How long would it take MRSA to make itself known?  Surely it would make me 
feel bad.  It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two.


I have never felt bad from this spider bite.  The day after the shock 
treatment, I did seem to feel a little better.

It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement.

I will study MRSA in more detail.

The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the same 
people that have told us there is
A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it 
really is and where it comes from.


I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and 
political  intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the 
spider bite treatment.


When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct and 
gut feelings.


All ideas,  right wing and left wing appreciated.

Wayne


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RE: CSOT: Pharmacy question / Lugol's

2003-12-24 Thread silversurfer1952 .

Hello Richard :)

Thanks for answering.  It's in its original brown glass bottle and I store 
it on a kitchen shelf... but it's not a steamy kitchen, especially now that 
the radiators are blasting away, (during the summer it was stowed away in 
another room).  I think it's also helping to get rid of some 
intestinal/systemic Candida that I've had for awhile.


Anybody know if there's a home test (like body temperature or something) 
that can be done to make sure one isn't over-supplying Iodine to the 
thyroid... I don't want to damage it!  These days my morning temperature is 
97'F.  A bit on the low side ;-)


Elle


From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com

Hi Elle,
As long as it is stored properly and looks the same, I'd use my own good
judgment and continue taking my 3 drops a day.
Merry Christmas  Happy New Year!

-Original Message-
From: silversurfer1952 . [mailto:silversurfer1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT: Pharmacy question


I have a 500 ml bottle of Lugol's Solution (5% w/v Iodine) that shows an
expiry date of May 2004.

The bottle is still essentially full and no way will I be using it up 
before

then ;-)  Currently, I'm taking 3 drops a day for low thyroid function.  My
question is how long past the expiry date will Lugol's Solution keep?

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Re: CSJBB patentable processes

2003-12-24 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

Hi,

I am not qualified to give details,  as each person's case is unique, 
and you should proceed cautiously in whatever you do.


The essential details are in my original posting.   I used only 
bloodroot initially.


NB that I had been told I had no chance of saving the tooth,  so I 
thought that I had little to lose,  and I had not been given an 
ultimatum of immediate extraction or else.   Your case may be quite 
different.


Jason Eaton saved lots of valuable information from the altcancer.com 
site, which I recommend.


The mixture of bloodroot and CS has never been tested in any clinical 
setting and is hypothetical only.



On Wednesday, Dec 24, 2003, at 13:16 Asia/Tokyo, Shirley Reed wrote:

   JBB  can you please go over the way you used the bloodroot tincture 
and the cs for cancer?  Is this the same one you used on the tooth 
root?  You just put the tincture on the cotton ball with one side 
protected by the wax and left it for hours--correct?  Were you also 
using cs as a mouthwash?  This is my understanding.  I guess we could 
use the wax for braces as the waxy substance as it would keep the 
tincture on the correct spot and protect the other areas.  tia  pj





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Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?

2003-12-24 Thread Jason Eaton
Wayne:

If you have been taking NSAIDS, ( non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs )
you may wish to cease.

As David Barrow wisely suggested as one of the first posts in the original
thread, I would acquire some quality green healing clay and hydrate it with
CS.

Various types of current or shock therapy, as Dr. Robert O Becker noted on
many occasions, can destroy both damaged and healing tissue.  This can
possibly result in a worsening of the condition if an infection is present.
Healthy tissue has a far greater tolerance to current than damaged and
healing tissue.

When the initial problem has been taken care of, tissue healing should begin
rapidly.

I see infection spread throughout the upper portion of leg, and in lower
part of the image, slightly above the initial injury point.

Onions and CS applied topically are not going to reach this infection.
Shock therapy may result in spreading the infection.  IF those slightly
swollen, yellowish areas are indeed indicative of a subdermal infection,
you're current at risk of an infection reaching the bloodstream ( becoming
septic ).

If this occurs, your health will degrade at an extremely rapid rate.

If you've been taking ibuprophen, Aleve, or other NSAID, you need to stop.
NSAID's have been linked with antibiotic resistant staph, commonly known as
flesh eating, where soft tissues are quickly consumed by infection.

I personally only know of two methods to clear such an infection:  Surgery,
and constantly applied thick healing clay poultices.

Take my word for it:  You don't want to let this continue.

If you'd like to view how a wound should debride and heal, feel free to view
our very graphic images documenting a cansema treatment, with CS  healing
clay utilized:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/silver-healing-clay-cancer.html

To see how clay can potentially pull an infection to the surface:

http://www.eytonsearth.org/usingclayexternally.html

Look at the bottom of the above page of the foot.

I wish you speedy healing!

Best Regards,

Jason


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From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?


 Evening DL,

I read your message again.  Seems I missed the most important point the
 first time I read it.

  aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially like
a
 spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I saw on tv
 liked like the photo of your leg.

So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite?   This might be the
 most important question of all.

 If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any?

 How long would it take MRSA to make itself known?  Surely it would make me
 feel bad.  It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two.

 I have never felt bad from this spider bite.  The day after the shock
 treatment, I did seem to feel a little better.
 It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement.

 I will study MRSA in more detail.

 The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the
same
 people that have told us there is
 A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it
 really is and where it comes from.

 I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and
 political  intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the
 spider bite treatment.

 When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct and
 gut feelings.

 All ideas,  right wing and left wing appreciated.

 Wayne


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Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?

2003-12-24 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Evening Jason,

Thanks for all the details and warnings.


If you have been taking NSAIDS, ( non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs )
you may wish to cease.
Virtually Never.  Not in recent years anyway.  I can't remember the 
last time I had a headache or took an aspirin.   It was at least 5 or 6 
years ago, maybe longer.



As David Barrow wisely suggested as one of the first posts in the original
thread, I would acquire some quality green healing clay and hydrate it with
CS.
   I have done that and am doing it now.  I have been leaving the clay on 
for 12 hours but not for 24 hours.




Various types of current or shock therapy, as Dr. Robert O Becker noted on
many occasions, can destroy both damaged and healing tissue.  This can
possibly result in a worsening of the condition if an infection is present.
 What do you see that suggests an infection?  I have no pain nor any 
swelling.  I can use three fingers and press around the bite area.  There 
was a hardness underneath before the shock.  Now I do not feel any 
hardness.  The draining is zero except at the very top of the wound.  And 
very little draining there.


For several days there was good drainage, which I felt was idea.

I have watched for streaks up the leg and have not seen any.


Healthy tissue has a far greater tolerance to current than damaged and
healing tissue.
   Ok I can understand that.  AT this point, I can't tell what is 
damaged and what is not.




I see infection spread throughout the upper portion of leg, and in lower
part of the image, slightly above the initial injury point.
   I see the upper part as that remaining point of slight 
drainage.  Remember lots of the redness in the pictures was caused by using 
the heating pad 10 to 12 days ago.  The burned skin has peeled off already 
and is back to near normal.



Onions and CS applied topically are not going to reach this infection.
Shock therapy may result in spreading the infection.  IF those slightly
swollen, yellowish areas are indeed indicative of a subdermal infection,
you're current at risk of an infection reaching the bloodstream ( becoming
septic ).
   There was some yellow looking area around the edges. It appeared to be 
dead skin. That is gone now, and

nice pink skin is right up to the dark scab area, except at the very top.


If this occurs, your health will degrade at an extremely rapid rate.
I understand what you are saying for sure.  But there must be degrees 
of infection.
I did not consider the original battle of this to be an infection, 
certainly not an excessive or high level infection.


I have not felt bad a single hour from this bite.  There was three days 
when the swelling was great.
On one of those days, I had a slight fever, .7 deg and it was gone the next 
day.


Is it possible to have a dangerous infection without any symptoms at all?



If you've been taking ibuprophen, Aleve, or other NSAID, you need to stop.
NSAID's have been linked with antibiotic resistant staph, commonly known as
flesh eating, where soft tissues are quickly consumed by infection.
Yes, I know that.  I studied this about a year ago.  It did not 
concern me that much, because I was not that kind of statistic.  I may be 
on my way to becoming a different kind of statistic, but it won't be from 
taking any medications or pain pills.


   I filled out a form a few weeks ago that asked  what medications are 
you allergic to


My answer was,  How would I know, I don't take any.



I personally only know of two methods to clear such an infection:  Surgery,
and constantly applied thick healing clay poultices.
Take my word for it:  You don't want to let this continue.
   I will do that.  Still, is there not some way to tell if this infection 
exists?  Do you think visual inspection is reliable?  Surely some test 
would clear my mind.



If you'd like to view how a wound should debride and heal, feel free to view
our very graphic images documenting a cansema treatment, with CS  healing
clay utilized:


   OK will check all the links.  Unfortunately the photographer is on 
strike. Not sure if I can get a picture myself.  Maybe tomorrow.


   Thanks again for the suggestions.

   Wayne



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Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?

2003-12-24 Thread d.linen



Wayne Fugitt wrote:


Evening DL,

  I read your message again.  Seems I missed the most important point 
the first time I read it.


aw a thing on tv about this mrsa stuff and how it looks initially 
like a spider bite and then the flesh is destroyed by it. The photo I 
saw on tv liked like the photo of your leg.


  So, how do I tell if I have MRSA or a spider bite?   This might be 
the most important question of all.


I don't know how to tell the difference. But I have been bitten by 
spiders and you can feel it. I had a car with a moon roof and opened it 
one night and a spider dropped down and bit me on the neck. When I got 
home and got out of the car the spider ran down my arm and I brushed it 
off. I think I've been lucky with the small spider bites I got because 
they looked like brown recluse spiders and nothing bad happened.


This mrsa stuff on that website I gave doesn't have photos or the same 
info that the tv story had. Staph infections of a certain sort can eat 
flesh. Some people have lost not only limbs but also their lives when it 
went untreated or diagnosed soon enough. I think when people have been 
ill for some time and their immune system is compromised in some way 
that they can be more susceptible to these bacteria than otherwise.


I also am not sure if shock treatment would help but it might.



If it was, MRSA, would the shock treatment have helped any?

How long would it take MRSA to make itself known?  Surely it would 
make me feel bad.  It has had 3 weeks, plus a day or two.


I have never felt bad from this spider bite.  The day after the shock 
treatment, I did seem to feel a little better.

It may have been a mental condition rather than a physical improvement.

I will study MRSA in more detail.

The thing that really worries me, most of the MRSA bull comes from the 
same people that have told us there is
A flesh eating bacteria because they did not want us to know what it 
really is and where it comes from.


I suspect a certain amount of hype, half truths, and political  
intervention in the MRSA story, just like the big scare in the spider 
bite treatment.


When you don't know what to believe, you have to trust your instinct 
and gut feelings.


All ideas,  right wing and left wing appreciated.

Wayne


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CSRe: Need Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings

2003-12-24 Thread jrowland
 I deleted all the need engineering help emails...---Charles
They can all be found chronologically here in the Archives:
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Re: CSMRSA or Spider Bite?

2003-12-24 Thread silversurfer1952 .


Hi Wayne,

I don't know if a visual inspection is good enough or not.  Pretty sure a 
simple swab test will tell you though.  See your doc.


Elle


From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com


snip

Still, is there not some way to tell if this infection exists?  Do you 
think visual inspection is reliable?  Surely some test would clear my mind.


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RE: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier

2003-12-24 Thread sscsr1
Wow what a lot of replies. I feel kina bad cause I  posted a question and
then couldn't get back on for a few days. Lots of good answers too. I have
just tried using CS in it for now and I think it is transporting the CS. I
will try Ode's test and see if I can be a little more sure. I would think
the ionic CS would be transported with no problem. 

And thanks to Steve for helping me understand how this thing works. I had
considered trying to put something else in place of the wick to see if I
could bypass it but I guess I better not.

It seems to work for daddybob's family and it has help my wife who was
getting the flu. She was down for a day or so but because of oral CS,
nebulizing and good ole vitamin C she only has an annoying cough ( mostly at
night ). Everyone we know who is sick has been down in bed with it for 10+
days and then are still trying to fight off the coughing. 

I do have one question for Richard. Before I try your mixture, I was
wondering, doesn't the msm clog up the wick? Or maybe the wick is too dense
for it to penetrate very far?

Again, Thanks for all the great replies.
Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Richard Harris
Subject: RE: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier

Hi Jeff,
Please don't give up so easily--I experienced the same thing and ran a
little tap water thru the screen to remove whatever, and it works instantly
again with my mixture of 4 parts CS/H2O2/MSM + 1 part pf DMSO--when inhaled
deeply into lungs, this really cleans out the crud and eases breathing
problems. I had mistakenly put it away with this solution still inside. NOT
SMART!
Happy Holiday  Happy New Year!
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: S  J Young [mailto:you...@konnections.net]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier


Jeff,

The filter is also the transport mechanism (a wick) to move the liquid up to
the top of the filter where it contacts the ultrasonic vibrating plate.
If you take off the filter cartridge and open the lid and view the plate
in front of a strong light on the other side of the plate, you will notice
the plate is more like a very fine mesh screen and the liquid goes right
through it and is ejected as a fine mist out from the top side of it.

I don't know if the CS particles make it up through the wick, or just
eventually clog up the filter.  The H2O plus silver ions will have no
problem being wicked-up and converted to mist.

My unit has quit for some reason.  Guess in hindsight I would try to find an
ultrasonic nebulizer that does not depend on a filter/wick to transport the
CS to the ultrasonically vibrating element.

--Steve


- Original Message -
From: sscsr1 ssc...@grandecom.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: CSWalgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier


 I just bought the personal ultrasonic humidifier from Walgreens. I doesn't
 seem to work without the filter inserted. It has a stick like white filter
 that inserts into what I think is a barrel shaped charcoal filter ( they
 refer to as a water purifier that needs replaced annually). I am wondering
 if the silver will be able to get past all that and still be effective. I
 use the silverpuppy to make my CS. The thing doesn't seem to work at all
 without the stick filter in place. Any thoughts on if this is a waste of
 time and money or not?

 Jeff




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