Re: CSyour security
Marshall, I also thought it was internet based, but got instructions to download something to run it, which would have required turning off my other anti-virus software, which I did not want to do. If there is a way to run it without downloading and installing, I can't find it. sol Marshall Dudley wrote: John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, PLEASE do us all a favour and me especially - check your system now! Go here for a simple internet-based security check NOW: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ John I tried this, and thought it was going to be internet based. But they want me to download some software and run it on my computer, which I will not do for security reasons. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSyour security
Marshall I have used this site for years and the download is safe and you need it to do the scan. It is the best on the net. Yours Hank - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: Re: CSyour security John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, PLEASE do us all a favour and me especially - check your system now! Go here for a simple internet-based security check NOW: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ John I tried this, and thought it was going to be internet based. But they want me to download some software and run it on my computer, which I will not do for security reasons. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Hank's outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/04
Re: CSInteresting Clay Bath/Silver Combination
At 01:28 PM 25/08/04, you wrote: .it appears even John Hopkins University, center for environmental health ( who in fact actually was involved in the first documented cure of argyria so severe it not only turned the individual blue -- face, arms, chest, abdomen-- but it effected his health ) shies away from claims of curing the incurable. if similar to the fuss about the (unseen) clay posting elsewhere, statements like this one could be easily misconstrued. It is most important - as I've tried to gently point out on many occasions in many places - an email sent to anyone, much less a public list is etched in cyberstone forever. It is public property. Those of us trying to defend sane healing methods have a constant fight over this amazing but understandable Medical Mafia lie: CS or EIS causes Argyria. There is not a single documented case that has been proved. The man mentioned so horribly graphically here was a worker in a processing plant who had never heard of CS. He was poisoned by massive exposure to silver by-products. It would be appreciated if this sort of data was made clear. I have already experienced the idiocy of this claim in my personal evangelising of CS, especially in conjunction with H202 and DMSO Extensive research into the curative properties of silver has been conducted for many years at the Upstate Medical Center, Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. under the direction of Dr. Becker. The experiments concluded that silver works on a wide range of bacteria, without any known side-effects or damage to the cells of the body. Becker discovered that the silver was doing something more than just killing disease-causing organisms: It was also causing major growth stimulation of injured tissues. Dr. Becker concludes that the presence of the silver ion may help to regenerate tissue, eliminate old or cancerous cells, and any other diseased or abnormal tissue condition. It does. Cheers, Himagain-defender-of-the-new-faith -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOh, and about security, just before I go..
Hi folks, Just in from the official security alert org: A real bad one! Product:Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 and prior Publisher: AusCERT Operating System: Windows Impact: Create Arbitrary Files Execute Arbitrary Code/Commands Access: Remote/Unauthenticated Ref:ESB-2003.0775 PROBLEM: A critical vulnerability in all current versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer allows a remote attacker to plant executable files anywhere on the user's filesystem. VERSIONS: All current versions of Internet Explorer are vulnerable, up to and including Windows XP systems with Service Pack 2 installed. IMPACT: An attacker can plant executable files anywhere on the user's filesystem. This then allows remote execution of arbitrary code. MITIGATION: ### There are currently no patches available to fix this vulnerability. AusCERT advises users and sites running Internet Explorer to evaluate their exposure to these vulnerabilities and to apply the following mitigation to reduce the risk of exploitation: o Disable Active Scripting and ActiveX in the Internet and Local Machine domains. o Use a different web browser. ### emphasis added by Himagain Goodnight folks and especially Mrs Magillicuddy, wherever you are -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew Zealand Government Responds to Health Select Committee- Tells Vitamin Consumers to Go to Hell
IAHF Webmaster: Breaking News, Whats New, What to Do, Trans Tasman Harmonization, Codex, Asia, New Zealand, All Countries IAHF List: No matter where you live in the world, please grasp that a New World Odor Harm-onization TEST is under way between Australia and New Zealand in the form of a huge tug of war over the issue of whether or not New Zealand may continue to regulate dietary supplements themselves, as foods, or if they are to yield sovereignty to an Australian run regulatory corporation which would be a law unto itself- not responsive to the will of people in either country- but solely to our would be pharmaceutical masters. Grasp that ASEAN (Association of SouthEast Asian Nations) http://www.aseansec.org/home.htm is an emerging totalitarian dictatorship similar to the European Union, and the Free Trade Area of the Americas, and that Australia is its Engine. Grasp that the New World Odor intends to use whatever they learn through trying to force harm-onization upon New Zealand in a similar effort to force harm-onization on the USA via the Free Trade Area of the Americas. Grasp that last summer, Canada illegally harmonized its dietary supplement laws to Australia's and the Cartel plans to try to take the USA next via regional harmonization, Memorandums of Understanding, and CODEX. Take the time to visit http://www.stoptheftaa.org and acquaint yourself with this THREAT to our most cherished freedoms-- we must all work together against globalization and harmonization, or we'll find ourselves living on board a PRISON PLANET. I just received the email below from Sue Kedgely, a member of the New Zealand Parliament who is fighting on behalf of vitamin consumers who oppose harm-onization of New Zealand's liberal food based vitamin laws to Australian's mindlessly draconian regulatory system. Please take a moment to read Kedgely's message, and to visit the link below which shows the New Zealand ruling Labour Parties outrageously arrogant response to the Health Select Committee which recommended strongly against harmonization with Australia. If you live in New Zealand, it is imperative that you go to http://www.nzhealthtrust.co.nz to sign their form letter which you should personalize before emailing to every member of Parliement. LETTER FROM SUE KEDGELY, NEW ZEALAND PARLIAMENT TO IAHF Please find below the link to the Government's response to the Health Select Committee's report on the Proposal to establish a joint Therapeutic Goods agency with Australia. It is much as we expected. It is http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/Content/Parliamentary-Papers/A.5HealthCommRep%20on%20inquiry%20establish%20T-TasAgency%20to%20reg%20Therapautic%20Prods.pdf I believe it is scandalous that the Government is to completely ignore the findings of a Select Committee inquiry into how to regulate dietary supplements. The overwhelming majority of submitters, including from the dietary supplements industry, were totally opposed to the regulation of dietary supplements through a trans-Tasman agency, because of the higher compliance costs and loss of sovereignty that would inevitably result. The Health Minister has effectively given Australia control of New Zealand's $200 million dietary supplements industry. Her unilateral decision to regulate the industry through an agency based in Australia, staffed primarily by Australians, governed by an Australian-dominated board and set up under Australian law, makes a travesty of New Zealand sovereignty. The new agency would be an expanded version of an existing Australian agency. It will have far reaching powers, including the power of search and seizure, enforcement powers and the ability to make what are essentially policy decisions without recourse to the New Zealand parliament. The Australian-based Managing Director of the Agency will have extraordinary powers, including the authority to make delegated legislation in the form of Rules and Orders, which will have a direct effect in New Zealand but will not to be incorporated into domestic legislation. These unprecedented powers are not found anywhere in the New Zealand public service and are probably unconstitutional. I predict that the move will contravene the government's own commitment to reducing the compliance costs of small business by significantly increasing costs across the industry and inevitably forcing many small dietary supplements businesses to the wall. ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / I trust that this has made the Green party's stance very clear. We will continue to strongly oppose this move and we will not make any deals with the government over this issue. Please inform me if you wish to go onto our database and receive further information on this and other Complementary Health issues. Kind regards Sue Kedgley For Health Freedom, John C. Hammell, President International Advocates for Health Freedom 556 Boundary Bay Road Point Roberts, WA
Re: CSBubbler
This is probably just a matter of oxygen oxidizing the silver ions as they dry out. Soak a white paper towel with CS and let it dry, you'll see. Big time brown. If you rinse the tube with distilled water after using it to remove the CS before it dries, it shouldn't turn brown. Ode At 04:55 PM 8/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: I was wondering if there were any chemicals that bleed into the CS from the plactic aquarium tube you would use for a bubbler. I have noticed the tube turns brown after awhile. Maybe I shouldn't use it and find another way to stir the solution? David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMedical detectives
j rigby wrote: Those of us trying to defend sane healing methods have a constant fight over this amazing but understandable Medical Mafia lie: CS or EIS causes Argyria. There is not a single documented case that has been proved. There is a new show coming this fall to NBC. On the preview of what I think is their first show they have 9 or 10 people who all ate at the same restaurant who all turned blue. The preview indicates that this happened because of something in the salt at that restaurant. My guess is that it is silver chloride, or silver nitrate. I am afraid this is going to be another mainstream method the medical mafia is using to try and link CS and argyria. Hopefully I am wrong. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBubbler
Thanks Ken --- Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: This is probably just a matter of oxygen oxidizing the silver ions as they dry out. Soak a white paper towel with CS and let it dry, you'll see. Big time brown. If you rinse the tube with distilled water after using it to remove the CS before it dries, it shouldn't turn brown. Ode At 04:55 PM 8/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: I was wondering if there were any chemicals that bleed into the CS from the plactic aquarium tube you would use for a bubbler. I have noticed the tube turns brown after awhile. Maybe I shouldn't use it and find another way to stir the solution? David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Re: CSCS and H2O2
Hi Marshall: On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made with the old silverpuppy generator. I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect was present after adding the H2O2. After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No fall-out was present in the glass container I used for the experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2 in solution. One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to throw that all off. I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: Re: CSCS and H2O2 Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marsall: I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with interest. There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze the chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions. To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur depending on the attributes of the silver product used. In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I get a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's SG7. Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual involved in the water purification industry. His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous to even consider that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles. They use hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters. The hydrogen peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension ( become insoluable ). I think he may be looking at elephants, and we are looking at gnats. Since silver oxide only has a solubility of 13 pm, if you have any significant silver content, most of it will fall out. But we typically work with 10 or less ppm, so in that case we do not see fall out (although I certainly did when I tested the H2O2 on metallic silver). And if there is virtually any chlorine in the mix, most of that will end up becoming silver chloride and falling out as well. If there is any developer in the mix, then the AgO will plate out as silver particles and precipitate as well. Developer can be tannen, caffine, and loads of other possibilities, including sunlight. Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver combination, this obviously through me for a loop. An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2 added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant. A friend took an SEM ( I believe ) of the before and after, and the resulting images strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates. The results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller silver particles. As it eats away on the particles they will reduce in size, until at some point they will be gone completely. My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES product is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not happen. Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps the silver in suspension? I dropped a piece of silver wire into H2O2 and it bubbled, then the water turned cloudy with AgO after a few hours. There was no colloidal part initially at all. One thing I do know: If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate content of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will stabilize in solution. I utilized peroxide testing strips to follow the reactions. Can you tell me a little more on this? If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it is very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the container. Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver combination, and adding it to drinking water can also result in the silver falling out of suspension within a few days. Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth infections. I assisted one individual for a year. It took that long for the individual to save up the money to have the root teeth problems taken care of. My favorite immediate use combination? ... is to brew a very strong yellow batch of CS
RE: CSX-Ray
This is the first time I have heard the question asked. My completely unfounded belief is that it will have no effect whatsoever. I doubt there is any literature on it, but you can search. If the silver does become hot, it wil eventually be secreted. I avoid radiology unless it is absoloutly necessary. Some folks think that Breast CA is in-part caused by the checkup mammograms. JOH -Original Message- From: Faye Killian [mailto:fkill...@bayou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSX-Ray I know this has probably been discussed here before but I need to know. Does taking silver affect you in any way while having an x-ray? I have a mammogram coming up and was just concerned about it. Have been taking cs for over a year now. Faye
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Re: CSCS and H2O2 From: Jason Eaton Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:49:44 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72909.html Hi Marshall: On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made with the old silverpuppy generator. I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect was present after adding the H2O2. After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No fall-out was present in the glass container I used for the experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2 in solution. One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to throw that all off. I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2. Best Regards, Jason Hi Jason, Thank you for your excellent and detailed report. I have not calculated your concentration of H2O2, but a quick estimate is in the 50ppm ballpark. This is very close to the 40 ppm I use and seems to agree with the concentration in other user's posts. I also sometimes notice a haziness in the cs after adding the H2O2, but not always. Similarly, the salt test seems to have strange reaction on some occasions, and other times it gives a clear, normal dispersion with or without H2O2. The reactions you describe are difficult to model mathematically, but I suspect part of the problem may be trace contaminants in the dw, perhaps chlorine, or trace metals such as calcium, sodium, magnesium, phosphorous, etc. These may cause different reactions with the H2O2 and byproducts. Contamination is a serious problem with H2O2, and caused much grief for the Germans during WWII with their Me-263 rocket interceptor. More than one pilot died horribly when the H2O2 tank behind them leaked causing an explosion. Contamination, leaks and H2O2 explosions are suspected in the loss of the British submarine HMS Sidon and the Russian submarine Kursk: http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/08/08/kursk/ I hasten to add these programs used highly-concentrated H2O2 - well above the 35% food grade or 3% pharmaceutical grade stuff we encounter. Some of the different reactions we see may also be due to the stabilizers used in different grades of H2O2. Each application needs a different stabilizer, so it may be difficult to compare results with 35% food grade vs the 3% Walmart stuff. It might be valuable to try to understand hydrogen peroxide from a chemistry viewpoint. Here is a very brief summary of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Normally, water is composed of one oxygen ion combined with two hydrogen ions. The two hydrogen ions push each other apart to form an angle of 104 degrees, which is what makes the density of water the highest at 4 degrees C, or slightly above the freezing point. This gift from the Gods keeps the oceans from filling with ice from the bottom up and becoming solid ice. Many elements hate to be alone, and strive to make a pair. They are called diatomic, and include hydrogen, oxygen, and many others. Notably, helium is monatomic and is quite happy to exist alone. The diatomic elements (hydrogen, oxygen, etc) take a large amount of energy to separate, and they won't stay separated very long. For example, monatomic oxygen can be formed in a plasma torch and has a useful lifetime of several milliseconds before it recombines. Another place you will find it is in the stratosphere, about 60 km above the surface of the Earth. But not many people go there. The significance of this is hydrogen peroxide is ordinary water with one atom of oxygen stuck on. When we release the extra oxygen, we release a great deal of energy. You can visualize this in ASCII as water looking like HOH. This shows how the two hydrogen ions move to the opposite side of the oxygen ion. Using this method, hydrogen peroxide, H2O2 looks like HOOH. (Some have suggested we try to add a carbon and make hooch, but I don't think that belongs here:) Now, when we add hydrogen peroxide to something, we may get surprising results. In some cases, there may be no reaction whatsoever. In other cases, there may be something that causes a reaction with the H2O2, and we can experience anything from lots of bubbles to a violent explosion that blows the container apart. The problems with trace contaminants is the reason
CSX-Ray
I know this has probably been discussed here before but I need to know. Does taking silver affect you in any way while having an x-ray? I have a mammogram coming up and was just concerned about it. Have been taking cs for over a year now. Faye
Re: CSWarning to experimenters - Explosive silver
Reminds me of the time when I used to microwave distilled water to speed up the reaction. (This was recommended by my supplier). I put it in a glass cup in the microwave that I just bought, but it was in too long. As I pulled it out, the glass exploded in my hands and I got second-degree burns. Thankfully, I learned from my mistake, and I used future batches of colloidal silver to help aid my recovery. (along with medical treatment) No scars, and the discoloration is nearly invisible now after a couple years. ~Nathan I did not realize it the other day, but when I mixed ammonia with the silver oxide, I produced a high explosive, fulminating silver accoring to this. Anyone repeating these experiments should pour the fulminate down the drain while wet, do not allow to dry! It is a contact high explosive. - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: CSX-Ray
My mother, a salty tongued old devil, never had a mammogram until she was in her 70's. she refused to ever have another saying, if there was nothing wrong with them before, there damn sure is afterward. Forget the radiation, she believed all the crushing could not be good. sol Jim Holmes wrote: Message I avoid radiology unless it is absoloutly necessary. Some folks think that Breast CA is in-part caused by the checkup mammograms. JOH -Original Message- From: Faye Killian [mailto:fkill...@bayou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSX-Ray I know this has probably been discussed here before but I need to know. Does taking silver affect you in any way while having an x-ray? I have a mammogram coming up and was just concerned about it. Have been taking cs for over a year now. Faye -- You can complain because roses have thorns or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. Ziggy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
